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-([Amin Bandali]: I mean, we are ahead of
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-a little bit, but I mean we also were
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-a little bit earlier in the day.
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-Yeah, I'd say that's fine. Go for it.
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-Take it away.)
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-[Leo Vivier]: Sure. Thank you. So am I live already?
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-[Amin]: Yep, you're live.
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-[Leo]: Hello
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-Splendid. So I'll just start the timer to
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-make sure that I don't go overboard.
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-All right. ([BBB:] you are now muted) Okay, good
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-to go now.
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-Hello again, everyone! I hope you had,
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-well, quite a lot of talks
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-ever since the last one I did, and all
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-more interesting
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-one after the other.
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-You know, I'm a bit in a bit of a weird
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-spot right now, because I'm supposed to
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-be presenting to you (as you can see on
-my screen)
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-"One big-ass Org file or multiple tiny ones:
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-finally, the end of the debate,"
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-and it sounds about as clickbaity
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-as you can possibly get with those
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-topics. By the way,
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-credit where credit is due, the title
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-is not mine. It's actually from Bastien
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-Guerry, the current Org
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-maintainer. Yeah, I wanted to
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-talk to you a little bit today about
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-this question because
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-if you are used to going on
-reddit.com/r/emacs ,
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-you know the subreddit that we
-have,
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-if you go on Hacker News often, you know
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-it's a question that
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-you see pop up every once in a while.
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-"Should I be using
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-one big file, or should I be using
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-a lot of tiny files?" I believe you
-know
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-we've got defenders on both sides. If I
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-just show you one example...
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-We have Karl Voit. He's one
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-of the organizers for the conference.
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-He is the guy who probably has the
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-biggest Org Mode files
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-right now in all the people I know, and
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-god knows I know plenty of people use
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-Org Mode.
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-But if you just look at this line--I hope
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-it's not too small; you just
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-make it a little larger--but
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-Carl basically has a file with
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-126,000 lines. I'm just going to pause
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-and try to have you imagine how large a
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-file it actually is.
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-Just think about all of these lines
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-being tasks in your days.
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-Think about all those lines being about
-little thoughts
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-you know that you've had throughout the
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-day or project that you were working on.
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-It's massive. You know one of the
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-problems that Karl Voit actually
-approaches on
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-this topic is that it takes him roughly
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-20 seconds to get his Org agenda going,
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-which is a massive amount of time.
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-I mean, we have very fast computers now.
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-You know, ever since Emacs was created in
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-1976, computers... I have no idea how much faster
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-they've gotten.
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-And yet, you know, for 100,000 lines,
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-Emacs seems to be choking. It's
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-certainly not reasonable, in a way, to
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-have to wait 20 seconds
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-just for your entire file to be parsed.
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-So basically what I want to do--
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-By the way, I forgot to introduce the
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-presentation, but I'm Leo Vivier. I did this
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-before, for those who were around.
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-I help maintain a software which
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-is called org-roam,
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-and that's the expertise that I have on
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-the topic.
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-Actually, if you go online, I do have a
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-Github page. I will make sure that you
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-have all the links available afterwards.
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-But I do publish my init files,
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-and you can see, if you scroll at the
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-bottom, I have a little demonstration
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-which shows you
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-the fancy things that I can do with my
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-Org Mode setup. That might be even
-interesting
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-in light of the talk you've just had
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-about GTD stuff, because
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-the first one is about how I handle my
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-projects, the second one is about
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-the flow from a task as I work on it...
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-So I won't spend too much time on
-this, but
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-basically that's my expertise.
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-I have spent eight years
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-working with Org Mode,
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-three of them actually thinking about
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-writing packages.
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-The thing is, if I go into a little
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-bit of detail (and obviously it's only a
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-lighting talk, so I won't have time to
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-actually go really in depth about it), but
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-there is something
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-in the Org Mode library which is
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-called org-element.
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-You have the name right there,
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-org-element.el,
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-.el being for Elisp file. As you
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-the page is on the Worg wiki, so it's
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-accessible by everyone.
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-It's basically the API that
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-Org Mode uses to parse Org Mode files.
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-For those who don't know, parsing
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-means basically
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-checking a file, checking all the contents
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-of the file, and extracting all the
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-information that we need from that file.
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-As you can imagine, you all have
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-Org Mode files in your mind,
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-well you know they can be fairly complex.
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-You can have properties,
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-you can have contextual information, like
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-if you write a line
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-which starts at column zero (which means
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-at the left),
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-it doesn't have the same
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-meaning, whether or not it is
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-before the beginning of a headline or if
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-it is after the beginning of a headline.
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-It's going to be
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-relatively different, hierarchically
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-speaking.
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-So the problem, when it comes to the
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-many files versus one big file or
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-few big files, is that we always have to
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-keep in mind
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-what org-element wants you to do.
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-The thing is, there are plenty of
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-problems when it comes to parsing files,
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-the first one being obviously
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-that Emacs is a single-thread
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-process (or has some threading
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-capabilities; we're not going to go into
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-the details right now, that's not my goal).
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-It makes it incredibly hard to
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-parallelize parsing processes
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-with the current technology.
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-So you'd have to imagine that if you
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-have a very large file--if you go back
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-to the example of Karl Voit from before:
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-100,000 lines--that means that you have
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-to scan
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-through every single line, basically.
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-Because sometimes... Let's just say that
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-you have a property drawer, for instance,
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-which tells you, oh okay, this tree
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-has the tag :foo:. So the problem is, there
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-are multiple ways for you
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-to define a tag. You can use the
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-usual way, which is about wrapping in
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-columns the :tag: at the end of a heading.
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-For instance, if I... (I'm not going to
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-switch to Emacs, that's going to waste too
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-much time)
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-That's one way to say your tag.
-But say,
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-you have tag inheritance, which means
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-that when you have a parent with a tag,
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-you also want the child to inherit the
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-tag. If you have
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-first heading with the tag :foo:, you have
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-the first subheading,
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-and the tag :foo: is implied. Now imagine
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-having to do that with a file that is
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-completely nested,
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-a file that has maybe 9, 10,
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-11 levels of depth to it.
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-It's mind-bogglingly complicated for the
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-software to do that, knowing that... I've
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-told you about tags,
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-but any property can be inheritable.
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-Anything like priorities, even. Though why
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-would you do this?
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-You can have groups. You can have all this.
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-And as someone who went through the trouble
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-of optimizing his Org agenda... So
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-basically, if we go back to the
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-GIFs--oh god we've already had this
-discussion
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-between the "git" and "magit" and now I've
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-started "gif" and "gif" and I only have one
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-more minute left to do so, so let's just
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-say I'm going to say "gif"
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-just to spite people... So if you go on
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-the way I organize my agenda, what I did
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-in order to keep my agenda build time
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-under two seconds,
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-is that I've rewritten a whole lot of
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-codes to be able to parse my Org agenda
-files.
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-So the thing is, I'm going to be talking
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-more about this later.
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-I only have, let's say, one minute to
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-conclude.
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-So as you've gathered, I'm not going to
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-be giving you the answer right now.
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-I'm going to be talking about
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-org-roam a little later, which is about
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-following the principle of having many
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-small files.
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-But as someone who has been using
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-one large file to manage my life,
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-you know, I'm sitting on the fence.
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-I do not know which one is the best,
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-but I hope that my presentation has
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-given you a little idea
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-of what goes on behind the principles.
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-You also need to think about the
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-philosophy behind the organization of
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-your notes.
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-I hope to be approaching this topic
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-with you in about
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-two hours or so (maybe one hour actually).
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-I'm actually finished. I've decided to
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-leave you two minutes of questions.
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-If someone could feed me the
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-questions, that might be best,
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-because I don't want... oh actually I can
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-just open the pad.
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-I can just open it. Give me a second, okay.
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-Just loading up. I might stop showing
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-my screen.
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-That might make it easier. So I mean if
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-you can make
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-myself big now on the screen, that would
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-be splendid. ([Amin]: yeah sure)
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-Thank you. Where are we...
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-Question 12. Okay, so what's better, one
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-big file or...?
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-Is it a jab to tell me that I
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-haven't answered the question because
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-someone just
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-asked me the question? Well, personally, if
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-I were to give you a quick answer in
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-20 seconds, personally, I think it's a
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-question that is contextually based.
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-Do you want something that is efficient
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-as far as optimization is concerned?
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-Then you need to think about
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-this. Personally, for all the
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-organization that I do,
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-all this stuff, all the TODOs that I
-handle,
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-I like to do this in one simple big file
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-because you benefit from all the
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-refiling capabilities of Org Mode,
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-so I would do that. But for knowledge
-management,
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-for note-taking and all this, well I'd
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-much rather follow the
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-org-roam way of doing things, which is
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-about having many
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-small files. I'm not getting any
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-more questions. I'm not sure if there is
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-one on IRC that could be fed to me.
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-Otherwise, I'm happy to pass over to
-the next speaker.
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-By the way, just before I finish, your
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-world is a lie. It's not a three-piece
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-suit. I'm wearing jeans below, so I hope
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-that satisfies your curiosity.
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-Okay, there's one more question appearing.
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-"but otherwise one big file to have
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-everything..." So I'm putting you on the
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-spot, I believe. It was such a short talk.
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-You know the problem is,
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-I just wanted to give you a little
-answer.
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-A little, you know, path of thinking on
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-this topic.
-
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-Obviously it's a topic I could be
-
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-spending 40 minutes on,
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-but I'm going to be drained, you're going to
-
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-be drained, nobody's going to be happy
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-if I do this.
-
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-Someone asked me if I switch between
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-British and French accents.
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-A little secret for you:
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-when I'm stressed, I tend to revert to a
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-French accent,
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-so you can measure the amount of stress
-
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-that I'm feeling during this talk
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-with the amount of h's that I drop and
-
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-the amount of sheer fright that you can
-see sometimes
-
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-in my eyes, when I'm thinking about what
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-to say next.
-
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-All right sir. So, Amin, do you believe
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-we can leave it at that? I'll be...
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-People will see plenty more of me
-
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-later on, anyway.
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-([Amin:] So, looking at the schedule,
-I think
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-your talk has until like 2:02, meaning
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-like five or six minutes from now.)
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-Oh, right.
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-([Amin:] So if you do like to take one
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-or two questions, to add two more
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-questions, by all means.)
-
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-So someone has asked me what is
-
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-the Emacs
-
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-icon (sorry, see, another French accent)
-
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-here in my status bar...
-
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-Oh sorry, I'm not sharing any more.
-
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-I might just share again just so that
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-everyone can catch a glimpse of that.
-
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-There we go. Allow...
-
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-So it should be... So if you could make me
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-small again, Amin, I'm not sure if it's
-
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-going to do it
-
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-by itself, but I do have a little icon
-
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-here in my status bar
-
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-which is basically a way to interact
-
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-with org-protocol.
-
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-I'm not going to look for it right now,
-
-00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.800
-but it's a browser extension that is
-
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-developed by one of my friends
-
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-over at Ranger whose name is Li Fon (??) and
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-it's very useful. I'm someone who uses a
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-lot of Org protocols. And by the way,
-
-00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.279
-I used to teach English to high
-schoolers, and they
-
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-were supremely worried
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-when I showed them my status line and they
-
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-saw "kill" and "explore" in my status
-line.
-
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-As fellow Emacs users, you know that
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-00:12:36.560 --> 00:12:40.880
-obviously kill means to kill a selection
-of text and
-
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-keep it inside your clipboard,
-
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-but for my students, they
-
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-were very worried
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-about what their professor was up to
-
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-during his nights.
-
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-So let's see if we've got more questions.
-
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-I'm showing you the questions on the
-
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-rainbow. Let's see if
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-we've got more. People are posting a
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-lot of questions now.
-
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-So how do you feel about archiving files
-
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-in Org Mode and how can that work?
-
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-So one of the things when we think about
-
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-optimization is: yes, archiving done trees
-
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-is a good idea because it means that if
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-we go back to the org-element, the way it
-
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-works (and we'll get into technical details
-
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-afterwards; I'm giving a presentation
-
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-about org-roam technical
-
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-aspects, sorry, so I'll have a chance to
-
-00:13:26.880 --> 00:13:28.399
-expand a little more on this)
-
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-but basically, org-element needs to...
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-Every time it sees a TODO, it has to
-consider it,
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-even though it is a done TODO. Why?
-
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-Because let's say, for instance, that in
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-your agenda you want to activate
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-log mode, which is going to show the
-
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-tasks which are done... Now you could be
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-clever and say, oh okay, the Org agenda does not
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-need to show done items, so it's not going
-
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-to look for them,
-
-00:13:54.880 --> 00:13:56.959
-but the problem is that org-element is
-
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-always called. It always needs to parse
-the buffer.
-
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-You know, Nicolas Goaziou, who is the
-
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-French developer who's worked a whole
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-lot on org-element
-
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-has gone through a lot of trouble to
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-optimize org-element, but the problem is
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-00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.279
-there's just so much that we can do with
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-a concurrent process.
-
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-Right now it leaves somewhat
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-things to be desired, but
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-we're working on it.
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-One more time... I feel like I spent
-
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-half of this talk
-
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-teasing my next talks, but I'll be
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-talking more about this
-
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-in my future talks in about one to two
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-hours.
-
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-So, continuing with questions, how big are
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-my Org files?
-
-00:14:36.079 --> 00:14:37.760
-So in the background, I'm just going to
-
-00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:40.720
-check how many lines I have in my main
-file.
-
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-In my own file, so the one I told you
-
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-about where I keep all
-
-00:14:44.079 --> 00:14:47.279
-my TODO GTD stuff, I have
-
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-38,000 lines, which is...
-
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-It's sizable, definitely.
-
-00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.040
-But I do archive a lot of stuff,
-
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-so that might be a slight difference
-
-00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.880
-between myself and Karl Voit,
-
-00:15:00.880 --> 00:15:02.079
-even though I don't remember if they
-
-00:15:02.079 --> 00:15:04.880
-actually archive stuff.
-
-00:15:04.880 --> 00:15:06.639
-So does it not consume more resources
-
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-and time to load multiple files
-
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-files than a large file or the same
-
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-content now?
-
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-Theoretically, yes, having many files
-
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-open concurrently is slightly slower
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-than having one main file opened.
-
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-Now the problem is for those of you who
-
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-have large files,
-
-00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.199
-you may have noticed that when you are
-
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-scrolling in a very large file,
-
-00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.560
-it starts taking quite a bit of time. Why?
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-It's because in Org Mode,
-
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-you have a lot of content
-
-00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:38.959
-that is hidden, so when you have
-
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-the view mode which hides as much stuff
-
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-as possible, meaning that you only see
-
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-the top heading--and I'm checking the
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-time, Amin, don't worry, I'm finished
-
-00:15:46.880 --> 00:15:50.240
-on this one--
-
-00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.160
-when you're hiding a whole lot of stuff,
-
-00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:54.720
-Org Mode needs to keep track, or I
-should say,
-
-00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.959
-Emacs needs to keep track of which areas
-
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-of text to show
-
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-and which areas of text to hide.
-
-00:16:00.560 --> 00:16:02.320
-The problem is that when you're hiding stuff--
-
-00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.480
-let's say you're moving from the
-
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-first heading to the second heading,
-
-00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.639
-but you've got like 10,000 lines between
-
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-those two headings--
-
-00:16:09.839 --> 00:16:11.519
-well, Emacs needs to compute the
-
-00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.680
-difference between the two passages,
-
-00:16:13.680 --> 00:16:15.680
-and that takes quite a lot of time.
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-00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:18.560
-That's why you might realize that it's
-a little
-
-00:16:18.560 --> 00:16:21.199
-choppy when you start scrolling in large
-files.
-
-00:16:21.199 --> 00:16:22.560
-Anyway I could be answering questions
-
-00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:25.120
-about Org Mode for literally two hours
-straight,
-
-00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:26.720
-so I'm gonna hand it over to the next
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-speakers. I'll be seeing
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-you guys a little later. ([Amin]: Thank you
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-very much, Leo.)
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-Oh, thank you. ([Amin:] Yes. Bye.)
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-Bye.