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+for the list of questions in whatever
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+order you like
+
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+okay so I see what package is used um
+
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+probably cemex mode
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+um right so the main package that was
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+being demoed
+
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+um that is not yet on melpa in fact I
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+haven't even decided on a name for it
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+um I've alternately alternately called
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+it epistemic mode I've called it
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+um england I called it uh
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+all kinds of things but at the moment
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+you can find it on my github there's a
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+link
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+in the presentation itself if you go to
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+github slash account about
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+um the package there it's currently
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+named indra
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+I'm not sure um
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+packages actually yes the second one is
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+red that was the name that I selected um
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+last night um and that's because it
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+might that
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+there's a concept in tibetan buddhism
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+that seems like it might have something
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+to do with
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+the kinds of concepts we're talking
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+about with this package so I just
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+thought it would be a good name for it
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+so you can look up that concept
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+and get a sense of it on wikipedia
+
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+next question is how to deal with dwarak
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+dwarjak or however that's pronounced
+
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+this is always bug me
+
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+is there an x-mod map mode so the thing
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+with this is it's kind of surprising but
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+although vim
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+was originally developed um you know
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+with the idea of
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+the key bindings being on the home rule
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+it turns out that that is actually not a
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+major aspect
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+of the vim editing experience so
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+people who use the dvorak layout
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+actually end up using the same keys as
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+they do on the normal qwerty layout so
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+they don't remap anything
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+because the uh the the sort of
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+the power that vim or the the
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+flexibility the
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+spiral that bim enables on qwerty layout
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+keyboards is exactly
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+preserved even on a door jack keyboard
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+even though you your
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+fingers are not in the same positions
+
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+it's not a big deal actually
+
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+um and then I mostly use default model
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+provided by vanilla Emacs and work and
+
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+org mode for text editing can you give
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+me some examples
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+of how the user can use the concept of
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+mode mode
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+to do some interesting
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+um so probably the main thing would be
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+the
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+the keystrokes would be less uh
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+contrived
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+so they the the fewer modes you have
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+the more modifiers you need
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+in order to um do whatever it is that
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+you're trying to do because you've got
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+essentially with a max model you've got
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+a completely flat
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+keyboard structure and so all of the
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+different things that you might
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+want to express are all mapped to a flat
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+keyboard uh set of keys
+
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+so with um with this kind of
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+modal structure the more modes you have
+
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+the more the individual keystrokes
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+become
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+shorter and shorter so that could be one
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+benefit that would be provided
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+with many modes your keystrokes would
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+generally
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+be a single keystroke long for even
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+relatively complex tasks
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+because you're setting the context
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+beforehand
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+so you already say oh I'm going to be
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+talking about this org buffer
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+agenda and then
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+um the all the keystrokes that you do at
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+that point would be in relation to that
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+um okay I think we have time for like
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+one more short question
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+one more short question okay let's see
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+how do new modes come into existence you
+
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+can make them yourself
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+um and you can specify them in Emacs
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+lisp
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+if you like but there's also simple you
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+can also do it visually as we did
+
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+um but the yeah defining them
+
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+is essentially built on top of hydra but
+
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+it could also be built on top of evil or
+
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+any other modal interface provider
+
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+there's an abstraction layer
+
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+okay thank you so much for your talk and
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+for the live q a
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+sure thank you yes feel free to um take
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+up the rest of the questions either via
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+irc or
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+on the pad on on your own time off the
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+stream
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+perfect yeah I'll go ahead and put in
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+some answers there
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+awesome thank you all right thank you
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+have a good one
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+thanks you too