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<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Search in daily workflows""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, my name is Zachary Romero, and today I'll be going""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""over p-search, a local search engine in Emacs.""" start="00:00:03.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Search these days is everywhere in software, from text editors,""" start="00:00:08.116" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to IDEs, to most online websites. These tools tend to fall""" start="00:00:12.399" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into one of two categories. One are tools that run locally,""" start="00:00:18.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and work by matching string to text. The most common""" start="00:00:25.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example of this is grep. In Emacs, there are a lot of""" start="00:00:31.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extensions which provide functionality on top of these""" start="00:00:35.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tools, such as projectile-grep, deadgrep,""" start="00:00:38.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""consult-ripgrep. Most editors have some sort of""" start="00:00:42.389" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search current project feature. Most of the time,""" start="00:00:46.850" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some of these tools have features like regular expressions,""" start="00:00:52.692" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or you can specify file extension,""" start="00:00:56.394" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or a directory you want to search in,""" start="00:00:59.216" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but features are pretty limited.""" start="00:01:01.637" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The other kind of search we use are usually hosted online,""" start="00:01:03.958" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and they usually search a vast corpus of data.""" start="00:01:07.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""These are usually proprietary""" start="00:01:12.303" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""online services such as Google, GitHub,""" start="00:01:15.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""SourceGraph for code.""" start="00:01:18.766" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Problems with editor search tools""" start="00:01:24.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The kind of search feature that editors""" start="00:01:24.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""usually have have a lot of downsides to them. For one, a lot""" start="00:01:28.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of times you don't know the exact search string you're""" start="00:01:36.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching for. Some complicated term like this""" start="00:01:38.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""high volume demand partner, you know, do you know if...""" start="00:01:42.784" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Are some words abbreviated, is it capitalized,""" start="00:01:46.861" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is it in kebab case, camel case, snake case?""" start="00:01:49.709" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You often have to search all these variations.""" start="00:01:53.090" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another downside is that the search results returned""" start="00:01:57.572" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contain a lot of noise. For example,""" start="00:02:05.435" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you may get a lot of test files.""" start="00:02:07.770" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If the tool hits your vendor directory,""" start="00:02:10.817" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it may get a bunch of results from libraries""" start="00:02:13.538" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you're using, which most are not helpful. Another downside""" start="00:02:17.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that the order given is, well, there's no meaning to the""" start="00:02:22.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""order. It's usually just the search order that the tool""" start="00:02:26.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""happens to look in first.""" start="00:02:30.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another thing is, so when you're searching, you oftentimes""" start="00:02:34.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have to keep the state of the searches in your head. For""" start="00:02:38.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example, you try one search, you see the results, find the""" start="00:02:41.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""results you think are relevant, keep them in your head, run""" start="00:02:46.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search number two, look through the results, kind of""" start="00:02:49.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""combine these different search results in your head until""" start="00:02:52.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you get an idea of which ones might be relevant.""" start="00:02:56.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another thing is that the search primitives are fairly limited.""" start="00:02:59.971" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So yeah, you can search regular expressions, but you can't""" start="00:03:04.516" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""really define complex things like, I want to search files in""" start="00:03:10.600" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this directory, and this directory, and this directory,""" start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""except these subdirectories, and accept test files, and I""" start="00:03:18.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""only want files with this file extension. Criteria like""" start="00:03:22.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that are really hard to... I'm sure they're possible in tools""" start="00:03:25.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like grep, but they're pretty hard to construct.""" start="00:03:28.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And lastly, there's no notion of any relevance. All the""" start="00:03:34.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""results you get back, I mean, you don't know, is the search""" start="00:03:38.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more relevant? Is it twice as relevant? Is it""" start="00:03:42.040" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""100 times more relevant? These tools usually don't provide""" start="00:03:43.096" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""such information.""" start="00:03:52.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Information retrieval""" start="00:03:58.233" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""There's a field called information retrieval,""" start="00:03:58.233" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and this deals with this exact problem.""" start="00:04:00.395" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You have lots of data you're searching for.""" start="00:04:02.617" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How do you construct a search query?""" start="00:04:04.719" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How do you get results back fast? How do you""" start="00:04:09.262" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""rank which ones are most relevant? How do you evaluate""" start="00:04:09.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""your search system to see if it's getting better or worse?""" start="00:04:14.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's a lot of work, a lot of books written on the topic of""" start="00:04:20.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""information retrieval. If one wants to improve""" start="00:04:23.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching in Emacs, then drawing inspiration from this""" start="00:04:28.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""field is necessary.""" start="00:04:31.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Search engine in Emacs: the index""" start="00:04:34.296" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The first aspect of information retrieval is the index.""" start="00:04:34.296" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The reverse index is what search engines use to find results really fast.""" start="00:04:41.384" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Essentially, it's a map of search term""" start="00:04:46.609" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to locations where that term is located.""" start="00:04:51.455" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You'll have all the terms or maybe even parts of""" start="00:04:54.739" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the terms, and then you'll have all the locations where""" start="00:04:57.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they're located. Any query could easily look up""" start="00:04:59.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where things are located, join results together, and""" start="00:05:02.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's how they get the results to be really fast. For this""" start="00:05:05.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""project, I decided to forgo creating an index altogether.""" start="00:05:12.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""An index is pretty complicated to maintain because""" start="00:05:19.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it always has to be in sync. Any time you open a file and save""" start="00:05:23.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it, you would have to re-index, you would have to make sure""" start="00:05:27.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that file is re-indexed properly. Then you have the""" start="00:05:29.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whole issue of, well, if you're searching in Emacs,""" start="00:05:32.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have all these projects, this directory,""" start="00:05:36.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that directory, how do you know which? Do you always have to""" start="00:05:38.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""keep them in sync? It's quite a hard task to handle""" start="00:05:42.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that. Then on the other end, tools like ripgrep can""" start="00:05:47.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search very fast. Even though they can't search maybe on the""" start="00:05:53.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""order of tens of thousands of repositories, for a local""" start="00:05:59.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""setting, they should be plenty fast enough.""" start="00:06:03.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I benchmarked. Ripgrep, for example, is""" start="00:06:06.040" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on the order of gigabytes per second.""" start="00:06:12.240" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Definitely, it can search a few pretty big size""" start="00:06:15.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""repositories.""" start="00:06:19.240" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Search engine in Emacs: Ranking""" start="00:06:21.757" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next main task. We decided not to use an""" start="00:06:21.757" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""index. Next task is how do we rank search results? So there's""" start="00:06:24.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""two main algorithms that are used these days. The first""" start="00:06:29.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""one is tf-idf, which stands for term frequency, inverse""" start="00:06:33.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""target frequency. Then there's BM25, which is sort of a""" start="00:06:36.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""modified tf-idf algorithm.""" start="00:06:43.040" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""tf-idf: term-frequency x inverse-document-frequency""" start="00:06:43.553" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""tf-idf, without going into""" start="00:06:43.553" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""too much detail, essentially multiplies two terms. One""" start="00:06:45.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is the term frequency, and then you multiply it by the""" start="00:06:49.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inverse document frequency. The term frequency is a""" start="00:06:51.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""measure of how often that search term occurs. The""" start="00:06:54.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inverse document frequency is a measure of how much""" start="00:06:58.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""information that term provides. If the term occurs a lot,""" start="00:07:00.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then it gets a higher score in the term frequency section.""" start="00:07:06.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But if it's a common word that exists in a lot of documents,""" start="00:07:08.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then its inverse document frequency goes down.""" start="00:07:12.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It kind of scores it less. You'll find that words like the,""" start="00:07:13.901" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in, is, these really common words, since they occur""" start="00:07:20.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everywhere, their inverse document frequency is""" start="00:07:25.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""essentially zero. They don't really count towards a""" start="00:07:29.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""score. But when you have rare words that only occur in a""" start="00:07:32.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""few documents, they're weighted a lot more. So the more""" start="00:07:35.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""those rare words occur, they boost the score higher.""" start="00:07:37.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""BM25""" start="00:07:41.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""BM25 is a modification of this. It's essentially TF, it's""" start="00:07:41.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""essentially the previous one, except it dampens out terms""" start="00:07:48.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that occur more often. Imagine you have a bunch of""" start="00:07:53.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""documents. One has a term 10 times, one has a term, that same""" start="00:07:55.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""term a hundred times, another has a thousand times.""" start="00:07:59.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You'll see the score dampens off as the number of""" start="00:08:02.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""occurrences increases. That prevents any one term from""" start="00:08:06.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""overpowering the score. This is the algorithm I ended up""" start="00:08:10.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""choosing for my implementation. So with a plan of using a""" start="00:08:16.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""command line tool like ripgrep to get term occurrences, and""" start="00:08:21.040" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then using a scoring algorithm like BM25 to rank the terms,""" start="00:08:29.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can combine this together and create a simple search""" start="00:08:36.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mechanism.""" start="00:08:40.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Searching with p-search""" start="00:08:41.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Here we're in the directory for the Emacs source code.""" start="00:08:41.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's say we want to search for the display code. We""" start="00:08:47.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""run the p-search command, starting the search engine. It""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""opens up. We notice it has three sections, the candidate""" start="00:08:58.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""generators, the priors, and the search results. The""" start="00:09:01.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""candidate generators generates the search space we're""" start="00:09:05.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""looking on. These are all composable and you can add as""" start="00:09:10.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""many as you want. So with this, it specifies that here""" start="00:09:14.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we're searching on the file system and we're searching in""" start="00:09:19.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this directory. We're using the ripgrep tool to search""" start="00:09:25.240" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with, and we want to make sure that we're searching only on""" start="00:09:30.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""files committed to Git. Here we see the search results.""" start="00:09:33.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Notice here is their final probability. Here, notice""" start="00:09:40.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that they're all the same, and they're the same because we""" start="00:09:45.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""don't have any search criteria specified here. Suppose""" start="00:09:47.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we want to search for display-related code. We add a""" start="00:09:50.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""query: display.""" start="00:09:55.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So then it spins off the processes, gets the search term""" start="00:09:57.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""counts and calculates the new scores. Notice here that""" start="00:10:06.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the results that come on top are just at first glance appear""" start="00:10:10.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to be relevant to display. Remember, if we compare""" start="00:10:15.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that to just running a ripgrep raw, notice here we're""" start="00:10:19.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""getting 53,000 results and it's pretty hard to go through""" start="00:10:25.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these results and make sense of it.""" start="00:10:31.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So that's p-search in a nutshell.""" start="00:10:34.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Flight AF 447""" start="00:10:41.457" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Next, I wanted to talk about the story of Flight 447.""" start="00:10:41.457" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Flight 447 going from Rio de Janeiro to Paris""" start="00:10:45.983" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""crashed somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean""" start="00:10:49.327" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on June 1st, 2009, killing everyone on board.""" start="00:10:51.510" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Four search attempts were made to find the wreckage.""" start="00:10:54.714" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""None of them were successful, except the finding of some debris""" start="00:10:56.895" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and a dead body. It was decided that they really wanted""" start="00:11:01.076" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to find the wreckage to retrieve data as to why the search""" start="00:11:05.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""occurred. This occurred two years after the""" start="00:11:09.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""initial crash. With this next search attempt, they""" start="00:11:14.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""wanted to create a probability distribution of where the""" start="00:11:19.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""crash could be. The only piece of concrete data they had""" start="00:11:23.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was a GPS signal from the ship at 210 containing the GPS""" start="00:11:26.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""location of the plane was at 2.98 degrees north, 30.59""" start="00:11:35.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""distribution.""" start="00:14:50.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""they decided to incorporate the data from those searches""" start="00:14:56.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into their new distribution. Here you can see places""" start="00:15:00.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where they searched initially. If you think about it,""" start="00:15:04.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can assume that, well, if you search for something,""" start="00:15:08.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there's a good chance you'll find it, but not necessarily.""" start="00:15:11.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""finding it there is greatly reduced. It's not zero because""" start="00:15:18.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""obviously you can look for something and miss it, but it kind""" start="00:15:22.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of reduces the probability that we would expect to find it in""" start="00:15:26.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""those already searched locations. This is the""" start="00:15:31.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""posterior distribution or distribution after counting""" start="00:15:36.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""observations made.""" start="00:15:41.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here we can see kind of these cutouts of where the""" start="00:15:44.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""previous searches occurred. This is the final""" start="00:15:48.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""distribution they went off of to perform the subsequent""" start="00:15:53.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search. In the end, the wreckage was found at a point close to""" start="00:15:57.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the center here, thus validating this methodology.""" start="00:16:02.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Modifying priors""" start="00:16:06.771" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We can see the power of this Bayesian search methodology""" start="00:16:06.771" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the way that we could take information from all the sources we had.""" start="00:16:10.333" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We could draw analogies to similar situations.""" start="00:16:14.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can quantify these, combine them into a model,""" start="00:16:19.238" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then also update our model according to each observation we make.""" start="00:16:22.480" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think there's a lot of similarities to be drawn with""" start="00:16:27.894" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching on a computer in the sense that when we search for""" start="00:16:30.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something, there's oftentimes a story we kind of have as to""" start="00:16:35.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what search terms exist, where we expect to find the file.""" start="00:16:39.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, if you're implementing a new feature, you'll""" start="00:16:43.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""often have some search terms in mind that you think will be""" start="00:16:46.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""relevant. Some search terms, you might think they have a""" start="00:16:49.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""possibility of being relevant, but maybe you're not sure.""" start="00:16:54.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's some directories where you know that they're not""" start="00:16:57.600" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""relevant. There's other criteria like, well, you know that""" start="00:17:02.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maybe somebody in particular worked on this code.""" start="00:17:07.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What if you could incorporate that information? Like, I know""" start="00:17:11.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this author, he's always working on this feature. What if""" start="00:17:16.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just give the files that this person works on a higher""" start="00:17:21.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probability than ones he doesn't work on? Or maybe you think""" start="00:17:25.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that this is a file that's committed too often. You think""" start="00:17:32.600" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that maybe the amount of times of commits it receives""" start="00:17:38.600" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should change your probability of this file being""" start="00:17:43.440" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""relevant. That's where p-search comes in.""" start="00:17:47.720" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Its aim is to be a framework in order to incorporate all these""" start="00:17:52.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sorts of different prior information into your searching""" start="00:17:57.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""process. You're able to say things like, I want files""" start="00:18:01.360" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""authored by this user to be given higher probability. I want""" start="00:18:06.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this author to be given a lower priority. I know this author""" start="00:18:11.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""never works on this code. If he has a commit, then lower its""" start="00:18:13.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probability, or you can specify specific paths, or you can""" start="00:18:18.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""specify multiple search terms, weighing different ones""" start="00:18:24.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""according to how you think those terms should be relevant.""" start="00:18:30.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So with p-search, we're able to incorporate information""" start="00:18:38.920" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from multiple sources. Here, for example, we have a prior""" start="00:18:42.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of type git author, and we're looking for all of the files""" start="00:18:46.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that are committed to by Lars. So the more commits he has,""" start="00:18:52.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""there's a feature I know he worked on, but I don't know the""" start="00:19:01.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""file or necessarily even key terms of it. Well, with this, I""" start="00:19:04.560" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can incorporate that information.""" start="00:19:09.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So let's search again. Let's add display.""" start="00:19:12.141" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see what responses we get back here. We can add""" start="00:19:16.000" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the title of the file name should be a certain type. Let's""" start="00:19:27.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""say we're only concerned about C files. We add the file""" start="00:19:31.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""notice that all of the C files containing display authored""" start="00:19:45.400" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by Lars should be given higher probability. We can""" start="00:19:51.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""continue to add these priors as we feel fit. The workflow""" start="00:19:56.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""criteria, you'll see some good results come up and some bad""" start="00:20:07.520" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""bad results, like, oh, I don't want test files, or this""" start="00:20:15.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""directory isn't relevant, or something like that. Then""" start="00:20:18.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can update your prior distribution, adding its""" start="00:20:22.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""probabilities for the files. So in the end, you'll have a""" start="00:20:31.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""list of results that's tailor-made to the thing you're""" start="00:20:35.160" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching for.""" start="00:20:37.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""want to go through. One thing is that each of these priors,""" start="00:20:41.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can specify the importance. In other words, how""" start="00:20:49.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""important is this particular piece of information to your""" start="00:20:55.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search? So here, everything is of importance medium. But""" start="00:21:01.120" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""let's say I really care about something having the word""" start="00:21:05.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""display in it. I'm going to change its importance.""" start="00:21:07.880" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Instead of medium, I'll change its importance to high.""" start="00:21:12.680" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""display in it are given a much bigger penalty and things with""" start="00:21:23.280" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the word display in it are rated much higher.""" start="00:21:28.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""With this, we're able to fine-tune the results that we get.""" start="00:21:28.129" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the inverse of certain queries. Let's say you want to""" start="00:21:45.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search for display, but you don't want it to contain the word""" start="00:21:49.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""frame. With the complement option on, when we create this""" start="00:21:53.240" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search prior, now it's going to be searching for frame, but""" start="00:21:58.040" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""instead of increasing the search score, it's going to""" start="00:22:01.840" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""decrease it if it contains the word frame.""" start="00:22:04.960" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""deprioritized. We can also say that we really don't want""" start="00:22:14.320" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the search to contain the word frame by increasing its""" start="00:22:18.080" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""importance. So with all these composable pieces, we can""" start="00:22:21.600" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""create kind of a search that's tailor-made to our needs.""" start="00:22:27.200" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That concludes this talk. There's a lot more I could talk""" start="00:22:33.413" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about with regards to research, so definitely follow the""" start="00:22:35.760" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""project if you're interested. Thanks for watching, and I""" start="00:22:37.800" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hope you enjoy the rest of the conference.""" start="00:22:40.640" video="mainVideo-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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Captioner: sachac
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[[!template text="""questions already coming in. So thank you so much for your""" start="00:00:03.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""some of these questions.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""question list.""" start="00:00:22.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""version of the functionality integrated into iSearch. So""" start="00:00:25.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""yeah, with the way things are set up, it is essentially a""" start="00:00:32.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""framework. So""" start="00:00:37.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can create a candidate. So just a review from the talk. So""" start="00:00:42.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have these candidate generators which generate search""" start="00:00:46.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""candidates. So you can have a file system candidate which""" start="00:00:49.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""generates these file documents, which have text content in""" start="00:00:54.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""them. In theory, you could have like a website candidate""" start="00:00:58.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""generator, and it could be like a web crawler. I mean, so""" start="00:01:01.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there's a lot of different options. So one option, it's on my""" start="00:01:06.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mind, and I hope to get to this soon, is create a defun, like a""" start="00:01:10.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""defun candidate generator. So basically it takes a file,""" start="00:01:15.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""splits it up into like defunds, kind of like just like what""" start="00:01:18.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""those, as a content for the search session. So, I mean,""" start="00:01:26.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""essentially you could just, you could start up a session,""" start="00:01:30.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and there's like programmatic ways to start these up too. So""" start="00:01:35.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""could easily, and just like, you know, one command. Get the""" start="00:01:42.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I mean, this is something I couldn't get into. There's just""" start="00:04:41.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""too much on the topic of information retrieval to kind of go""" start="00:04:44.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""gets even further.""" start="00:05:14.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""part.""" start="00:05:33.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""synonyms, stemming, that kind of stuff for alternate""" start="00:06:25.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""terms, that could also be incorporated.""" start="00:06:33.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: When searching by author I know authors may setup a new machine and not put the exact same information. Is this doing anything to combine those into one author?""" start="00:06:40.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, next one. When searching by author, I know authors may""" start="00:06:40.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""set up a new machine and not put the exact same information.""" start="00:06:43.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Is this doing anything to combine these two in one author?""" start="00:06:47.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""command to get all the get authors. You select one and then it""" start="00:06:58.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""running theme throughout p-search is that It's made to be""" start="00:07:29.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very flexible and very kind of like Lego block ish kind of""" start="00:07:32.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like you can just, you know, if you need, you know, if""" start="00:07:36.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something doesn't meet your needs, you know, it's easy to""" start="00:07:39.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""put pieces in, create new components of the search""" start="00:07:41.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""engine. Let's see, a cool powerful grep "Rak" to maybe have""" start="00:07:45.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some good ideas. I have searches record code while""" start="00:07:51.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""searching. Okay. So. Okay, that's interesting. I'll have""" start="00:07:58.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to look into this""" start="00:08:04.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tool. I haven't seen that. I do kind of keep my eyes out for""" start="00:08:05.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these kind of things. One thing I have seen that was kind of""" start="00:08:15.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that, I mean, looked interesting was kind of like AST, like""" start="00:08:18.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the treesitter, the treesitter grep tools. But like, you""" start="00:08:24.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can grep for a string in the language itself. So that's""" start="00:08:29.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""treesitter. So that's, that's something that I think would""" start="00:08:44.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be cool to incorporate.""" start="00:08:47.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Have you thought about integrating results from using cosine similarity with a deep-learning based vector embedding?""" start="00:08:50.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's see. Have you thought about integrating results from""" start="00:08:50.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using cosine similarity with a deep learning based vector""" start="00:08:58.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the topic before it. Definitely the whole semantic search""" start="00:09:06.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""in elisp, it's probably too slow.""" start="00:09:20.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then also there's a whole question of how do you get the embeddings?""" start="00:09:25.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""machine if you want to run it that or, I mean, so that's""" start="00:09:36.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""actually another kind of aspect that I need to look into.""" start="00:09:41.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, so let's see.""" start="00:09:48.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Is it possible to save/bookmark searches or search templates so they can be used again and again?""" start="00:10:01.940" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, next question. Let's see. I'm sorry if this has been""" start="00:10:01.940" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""covered. Is it possible to save/bookmark searches or search""" start="00:10:06.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""just recently I added bookmarking capabilities. So""" start="00:10:14.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can essentially just bookmark whatever search session you""" start="00:10:18.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have. And yeah, and it's just, it was just a bookmark. You can""" start="00:10:21.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just open and just like reopen that, rerun that search from""" start="00:10:26.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where you left off. So there's that. And then also, I tried to""" start="00:10:29.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""set this up so that there is a one-to-one mapping of a Lisp""" start="00:10:36.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""object to the search session. So from every search session""" start="00:10:40.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""data. And then that function should set up the session as you""" start="00:11:04.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""left off. So then like, you know, you could make your""" start="00:11:09.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""commands easy. You can make custom search commands super""" start="00:11:12.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""easy. You just get the data representation of that search,""" start="00:11:15.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""find what pieces you want the user to be able to, you know, the""" start="00:11:18.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search term, make that a parameter in the""" start="00:11:22.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""command, in the interactive code. So you'd have like""" start="00:11:26.334" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""print on top and then there you go. You have,""" start="00:11:29.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you have a command to do the search""" start="00:11:31.907" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just like just right there. So, so""" start="00:11:34.328" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""could be done. Like maybe having, you know, there's kind of""" start="00:11:38.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in the works and like thinking about having groups of groups""" start="00:11:41.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""can make a preset out of these and make them easy, easily""" start="00:11:51.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""thinking about a lot of things about that, so.""" start="00:11:58.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""assigned to? Is this to a line or whatever the candidate""" start="00:12:08.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""generates? How does it work with our junior demo? Okay,""" start="00:12:12.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""because if you're not displaying, that's kind of a design""" start="00:15:03.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""decision of P-Search, is that it only displays like maybe 10""" start="00:15:05.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or 20. It doesn't display all the results. So you can have""" start="00:15:09.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Elist just go crazy with just like highlighting things,""" start="00:15:12.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""picking the best kind of pieces to show. So yeah, that's how""" start="00:15:16.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's set up.""" start="00:15:22.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, here's perhaps a good moment for me to just jump in and""" start="00:15:27.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""stream to give people an hour of less content to make sure""" start="00:15:42.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everybody goes and takes their lunch and break a little bit.""" start="00:15:47.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""that all when we publish the Q and A. Sounds good. Yeah, I'll go""" start="00:15:59.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and stick around on the stream as we cut away, as we've got a""" start="00:16:06.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""little video surprise we've all prepared to play, just some""" start="00:16:12.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""comments from an Emacs user dated in 2020 or something like""" start="00:16:16.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this. I forget the detail. Thank you again so much, Zac, for""" start="00:16:19.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""your fascinating talk.""" start="00:16:29.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, so, okay.""" start="00:16:30.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""emergent workflows with Denote and easy filtering with""" start="00:16:33.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""orderless.""" start="00:16:36.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Did this or something like this help influence the design of""" start="00:16:36.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""p-search? Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's""" start="00:16:42.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just so many different searches. Like, it's just kind of""" start="00:16:47.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mind-boggling. Like, you could search for whatever you want""" start="00:16:49.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on your computer. Like, there's just so much, like, you""" start="00:16:52.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can't, yeah, you can't just like, you can't just like hard""" start="00:16:54.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""code any of these things. It's all malleable. Like maybe""" start="00:17:01.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somebody wants to search these directories. And so, yeah,""" start="00:17:04.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like""" start="00:17:09.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""exactly like that use case of having a directory of files""" start="00:17:10.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where""" start="00:17:18.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they contain your personal knowledge management system.""" start="00:17:18.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, that use case definitely was at the top of my mind.""" start="00:17:25.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see.""" start="00:17:33.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see, so Git covers the multiple names thing itself.""" start="00:17:35.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Notmuch with the p-search UI""" start="00:17:56.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, yeah,""" start="00:17:56.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so something about notmuch with p-search UI. Actually,""" start="00:18:00.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interestingly, I think notmuch is, I haven't used it""" start="00:18:09.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""myself, but that's the, email something about yeah so i mean""" start="00:18:16.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this is like these things are just like these these kind of""" start="00:18:22.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extensions could kind of go go forever but one thing i""" start="00:18:25.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thought about is like i use mu4e for email""" start="00:18:30.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that uses a full-fledged index. And so having""" start="00:18:33.370" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some method to kind of reach into these different systems""" start="00:18:41.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and kind of be kind of like a front end for this.""" start="00:18:44.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another thing is maybe SQL database.""" start="00:18:47.939" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can create a candidate generator from a SQLite query""" start="00:18:52.001" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then... yeah...""" start="00:18:55.824" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've had tons of ideas of different things you could""" start="00:19:02.583" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""incorporate into the system. Slowly,""" start="00:19:05.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""they're being implemented. Just recently, I implemented""" start="00:19:09.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Info""" start="00:19:13.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""an info file candidate generator. So it lists out all the""" start="00:19:13.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""info files, and then it creates a candidate for each of the""" start="00:19:17.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""info nodes. So it turns out, yeah, I mean, it works pretty, I""" start="00:19:21.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mean, just as well as Google. So I'm up for my own testing.""" start="00:19:26.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let's see, you can search a buffer using ripgrep feeding in""" start="00:19:32.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as standard in to the ripgrep process, can't you? Yep, yeah,""" start="00:19:40.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can definitely search a buffer that way. So, yeah, I""" start="00:19:44.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mean, based off of I mean, if this, yeah, so one thing that""" start="00:19:50.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""came up is that the system wants, I mean, I wanted the system""" start="00:19:56.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to be able to search a lot of different things. And so it came""" start="00:19:59.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""up that I had, you know, implementing,""" start="00:20:03.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doing these search things, having an Elist""" start="00:20:06.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""necessary. So like anything that isn't represented as a""" start="00:20:13.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""file, Elisp, there's a mechanism in p-search to search for""" start="00:20:17.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it.""" start="00:20:21.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the, you know, using kind of ripgrep for the big scale""" start="00:20:29.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things. But then when you get to the individual file, you""" start="00:20:32.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""know, just going back to Elisp to kind of get the finer""" start="00:20:37.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""details seems to, you know, seems to end up working pretty""" start="00:20:41.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well.""" start="00:20:47.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you all for listening. Yeah, sounds like we're about""" start="00:21:04.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""out of questions. Hi, Zacc. I have a question or still a""" start="00:21:27.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""question. I just want to thank everybody one more time for""" start="00:21:31.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""their participation, especially you for speaking, Zack. I""" start="00:21:34.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""look forward to playing with p-search myself. Thank you.""" start="00:21:37.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, there might be one last question. Is there someone?""" start="00:21:41.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yes, there is. I don't know if you can understand me, but""" start="00:21:44.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thank you for making this lovely thing""" start="00:21:48.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I feel inspired to try it out and I'm thinking about how to""" start="00:21:50.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""integrate it because it sounds modular and nicely thought""" start="00:21:57.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""out. One small question. Have you thought about Project L""" start="00:22:04.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""integration? And then I have a little bigger question about""" start="00:22:09.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the interface.""" start="00:22:13.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""It's kind of used to kind of as like kind of like a default.""" start="00:22:20.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the directory I want to search for the default""" start="00:22:25.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""p-search command. It does, yeah, it kind of goes off of""" start="00:22:31.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""project.el. If there is a project, it kind of says, okay, this,""" start="00:22:33.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to search this project. And so it kind of, it used that""" start="00:22:37.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as a default. So there's that. Because I use the project-grep""" start="00:22:40.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or git-grep search a lot and maybe this is a better solution to""" start="00:22:46.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the search and the interface you have right now for the""" start="00:22:50.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""search results.""" start="00:22:55.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: How happy are you with the interface?""" start="00:22:56.477" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How happy are you with it and have you""" start="00:22:56.477" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thought about improving or have you ideas for""" start="00:22:58.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""in the video isn't... There's actually, there is an""" start="00:23:06.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""improvement in the current code. Basically, what it""" start="00:23:09.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""the entire file for all of the searches.""" start="00:23:17.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It finds the window that that has the highest score. So it kind""" start="00:23:20.055" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""like the piece of the section of text that has the most""" start="00:23:29.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""that section is pretty good. I mean, that, so yeah, that,""" start="00:23:37.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that ends up working pretty well. So I mean, in terms of other""" start="00:23:40.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""UI stuff, there's, there's tons, there's tons more that""" start="00:23:44.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""could be done, like, especially like debug ability or like""" start="00:23:46.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""introspection. Like, so this, this result, like, for""" start="00:23:50.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example, this result ranks really high. Maybe you don't""" start="00:23:53.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""know why though. It's like, because of this, this text query""" start="00:23:57.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""arrow, was it because of this criteria? I think""" start="00:24:01.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there's some UI elements that could kind of help the user""" start="00:24:04.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""understand why results are scoring high or low. So that's""" start="00:24:09.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""definitely... And that makes a lot of sense to me. You know, a""" start="00:24:12.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lot of it is demystifying, like understanding what you're""" start="00:24:15.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""learning better and not just finding the right thing. A lot""" start="00:24:19.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of it is, you know, kind of exploring your data. I love that.""" start="00:24:22.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thanks. Okay. I'm not trying to hurry us through either by""" start="00:24:26.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""any stretch. I would be happy to see this be a conversation.""" start="00:24:31.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I also want to be considerate of your time. And I also wanted to""" start="00:24:36.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""make a quick shout out to everybody who's been updating and""" start="00:24:42.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""helping us capture the questions and the comments and the""" start="00:24:45.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""etherpad. That's just a big help to the extent that people""" start="00:24:50.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""are jumping in there and you know, revising and extending""" start="00:24:53.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and just doing the best job we can to capture all the""" start="00:24:57.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thoughtful remarks.""" start="00:24:59.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, thank you, Zac. I'm not too sure what to ask anymore,""" start="00:25:00.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but yes, would love to try it out now. Yeah, I mean,""" start="00:25:14.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""definitely feel free to...""" start="00:25:20.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""any feedback, here's my mail, or issues...""" start="00:25:22.077" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""straight up line until it curves back on itself and""" start="00:36:56.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I'll try to kick us off here and make sure everybody does""" start="00:39:50.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""boundary, but that's more because... Yeah, there's really""" start="00:45:04.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not much to do about that. Nobody's written a front-end""" start="00:45:10.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""engine, and too much of the forebrain is occupied with""" start="00:45:13.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things that should happen on the "end-users""" start="00:45:18.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Yeah, I mean, just thank you for listening, and And thank you""" start="00:45:33.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for putting this on. It's a really nice conference to have,""" start="00:45:40.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'm glad things like this exist. So thank you. Yeah, it's""" start="00:45:45.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you and the other folks on this call. Thank you so much,""" start="00:45:50.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""PlasmaStrike, and all the rest of you for hopping on the BBB""" start="00:45:54.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and having such an interesting discussion. Keeps it really""" start="00:45:58.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fun for us as organizers. And thanks, everybody, for being""" start="00:46:03.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]]
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</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [zacromero@posteo.com](mailto:zacromero@posteo.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20p-search%3A%20p-search%3A%20a%20local%20search%20engine%20in%20Emacs)
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