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<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Ihor Radchenko,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'm the new official Org Mode maintainer.""" start="00:00:03.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Today, I'll briefly introduce myself""" start="00:00:07.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then share my ideas about the future of""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode development. I will start by passing""" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the word from Bastien, the previous maintainer.""" start="00:00:16.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then I will tell you a little bit about my story,""" start="00:00:18.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""starting from ordinary Org Mode user""" start="00:00:22.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all the way to the maintainer.""" start="00:00:24.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then I will detail the new directions of development""" start="00:00:26.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and specific features which I want to see""" start="00:00:30.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Org Mode in the coming years.""" start="00:00:33.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I will conclude by asking you, Org Mode users,""" start="00:00:35.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to contribute to Org Mode""" start="00:00:39.660" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because all the features which are too many""" start="00:00:42.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can only be implemented with the help of the community,""" start="00:00:46.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with the help of more contributors.""" start="00:00:49.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And for that, of course, I will also talk""" start="00:00:51.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about Org community and how I see it evolve""" start="00:00:53.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that we have a good communication""" start="00:00:59.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""between the development of Org Mode""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the community ideas.""" start="00:01:03.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let me first pass the word to Bastien.""" start="00:01:07.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Message from Bastien Guerry""" start="00:01:14.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. Ihor Radchenko is the new Org Mode""" start="00:01:14.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maintainer.""" start="00:01:17.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""He's been acting as such for a couple of years now,""" start="00:01:18.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'm really glad he's finally agreed to take on the""" start="00:01:21.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""role officially. As a maintainer, I've probably done""" start="00:01:23.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a few things right and certainly made many mistakes.""" start="00:01:26.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here are 4 lessons I've learned in 14 years.""" start="00:01:29.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The first is that maintaining Org Mode""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""isn't just about code, it's mostly""" start="00:01:34.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about users. Of course, some of them will never learn how to""" start="00:01:36.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""report a bug, some of them will behave like spoiled""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""children, and most of them will expect you to work for free""" start="00:01:43.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""forever. Nevertheless, the time is as valuable as yours.""" start="00:01:46.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Whatever they request, there is always something that can""" start="00:01:50.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lead to a positive outcome for Org Mode or its community.""" start="00:01:53.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The second lesson is that maintenance isn't just about""" start="00:01:57.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""technical choices. It's also about predictability.""" start="00:02:00.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Be very clear and very loud about what users and contributors""" start="00:02:04.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can expect of your time, skills, and motivations.""" start="00:02:07.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Stick to the robustness principle""" start="00:02:11.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by being liberal in what you accept""" start="00:02:12.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and strict in what you produce. Thirdly, it's all""" start="00:02:15.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about learning. Let's build a culture together where it's""" start="00:02:19.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""okay to ask stupid questions. No one is born knowing how to""" start="00:02:22.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""write in English, how to report a bug, or how to maintain a""" start="00:02:25.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""large piece of code. Remember that old-timers were newbies""" start="00:02:28.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and that newbies could become maintainers. We all have a lot""" start="00:02:32.060" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to learn, even if it's just how to respect each other.""" start="00:02:35.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Finally, as a maintainer, think about the next one. Who will""" start="00:02:38.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be in your shoes next? What kind of maintainer do you want for""" start="00:02:42.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a software you will be using for decades? It's also a""" start="00:02:45.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""responsibility of the Org Mode community. How can we""" start="00:02:48.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""collectively attract maintainers that want to help us use""" start="00:02:52.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and enhance this wonderful little tool? How can we,""" start="00:02:56.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as Org Mode users, help Ihor pave the way""" start="00:02:59.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for the next maintainers?""" start="00:03:02.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Enough said. I'm confident Org Mode is in good hands and I'm a very""" start="00:03:04.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""happy user. Thanks everyone for all these years of fun and""" start="00:03:08.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""learning.""" start="00:03:11.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""My step-by-step journey to Org maintenance""" start="00:03:15.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now back to my talk. Let me start by briefly introducing""" start="00:03:15.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""myself. I'm actually not a programmer. By training, I'm a""" start="00:03:20.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""material scientist. and I only started using Emacs and""" start="00:03:23.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode and naturally doing programming (because that's""" start="00:03:27.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs) when I was doing my PhD and I wanted to use Org Mode to""" start="00:03:30.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tame my research work. A couple of years I was just an""" start="00:03:36.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ordinary user, until I learned enough and""" start="00:03:40.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""got enough courage to report my first bug.""" start="00:03:44.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then it all evolved over the years.""" start="00:03:48.464" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I started participating in the mailing list,""" start="00:03:51.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I started learning more about Elisp,""" start="00:03:53.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I reported more complex bugs,""" start="00:03:56.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I eventually got around to go and fix the tricky bugs.""" start="00:03:59.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then I started participating more in Org mailing list""" start="00:04:08.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in helping fixing bugs in selected areas of Org""" start="00:04:11.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mode and eventually switching to all parts of Org.""" start="00:04:16.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""At some point I ended up doing the de facto maintenance job""" start="00:04:22.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""together with Bastien and got an actual maintenance offer""" start="00:04:27.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I accepted recently. The key takeaway I want you to get""" start="00:04:32.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from here is that you don't have to be a programmer, you don't""" start="00:04:38.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have to know Elisp to contribute, and you don't even have to""" start="00:04:41.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be like that to become a maintainer. All it takes is""" start="00:04:47.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""slow, methodical, persistent learning over the years,""" start="00:04:51.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""participating in the community, and eventually""" start="00:04:55.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""submitting your patches upstream. And eventually you can""" start="00:04:58.500" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""become a maintainer, or not a maintainer as you wish.""" start="00:05:02.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Enough about me.""" start="00:05:07.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Priorities for Org maintenance""" start="00:05:09.241" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Let's talk about what I think should happen with""" start="00:05:09.241" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode and what my goals on Org Mode is. The first and top""" start="00:05:13.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""priority for me is the basics. The basics, the""" start="00:05:18.860" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""code-based stability.""" start="00:05:25.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Basically, all the foundations, all the APIs in""" start="00:05:26.070" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode, all the basic libraries, which everything builds""" start="00:05:29.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""upon so that we have fewer bugs and we have more""" start="00:05:34.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""understandable code so that others who want to contribute""" start="00:05:39.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have easier time understanding""" start="00:05:42.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what is going on in the code base and""" start="00:05:44.652" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contribute without much of a problem or confusion.""" start="00:05:46.372" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Second equally important direction is the Org community,""" start="00:05:52.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because a single person, even a couple of people, cannot""" start="00:05:56.340" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""really develop such a big project as Org Mode. And we always""" start="00:06:00.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""want new contributors, which are not coming from nowhere.""" start="00:06:05.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We need to have the community of users.""" start="00:06:08.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have a community of""" start="00:06:10.229" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""people who participate in discussions, who later submit""" start="00:06:12.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""patches and code, and that's where we get most of the new""" start="00:06:15.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features. So I would like to improve the communication""" start="00:06:19.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""between Org community and the development. The third""" start="00:06:24.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""direction I want to pursue is making life easier for""" start="00:06:29.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""third-party packages. Because we don't only have org-mode""" start="00:06:34.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as it's distributed with Emacs. We have a lot of""" start="00:06:38.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ELPA packages. We have a lot of MELPA packages.""" start="00:06:41.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""People who want some specific features""" start="00:06:45.197" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on top of org-mode do develop""" start="00:06:47.918" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these packages which are widely used or not so widely used.""" start="00:06:49.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not only about Emacs. We have a lot of mobile apps""" start="00:06:54.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that can work with Org files, have a lot of parsers which""" start="00:06:57.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""enable this mobile apps, or in general, programs outside""" start="00:07:01.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Elisp to understand Org files.""" start="00:07:06.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Fourth direction is the Org markup as a foundation of""" start="00:07:11.020" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""org-mode as a major mode, because we have a lot of""" start="00:07:14.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functionality in org-mode itself inside Emacs,""" start="00:07:18.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's all based on the underlying markup,""" start="00:07:20.574" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and markup should have enough features""" start="00:07:23.675" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to support the functions we want to see there.""" start="00:07:27.436" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Last direction, which is somewhat less""" start="00:07:32.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""important, mostly because I don't have""" start="00:07:34.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that much time to focus on everything,""" start="00:07:37.835" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is the new features. I do want to see""" start="00:07:40.137" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""certain important features in Org mode,""" start="00:07:44.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I usually cannot spend too much time on them""" start="00:07:46.841" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because of the previous more important parts.""" start="00:07:50.263" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do rely on the org community and""" start="00:07:53.085" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the contributors to implement these new features.""" start="00:07:55.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My idea is that I want to direct which features""" start="00:07:57.457" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and how they should be implemented,""" start="00:08:01.916" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but the actual people who implement""" start="00:08:03.758" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""them should come from the community.""" start="00:08:05.300" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Now let's go into the details.""" start="00:08:09.464" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Modular Org""" start="00:08:11.767" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The code base. As a bit of motivation, I would like""" start="00:08:11.767" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to share this email from Richard Stallman, who a couple of""" start="00:08:15.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""years ago asked about improving Org mode by making it""" start="00:08:19.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more modular. That's directly asking about improving the""" start="00:08:27.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""foundations of the code. That's what I think is""" start="00:08:32.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""an important direction as well. Here's an example.""" start="00:08:35.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Slim down large Org libraries""" start="00:08:41.590" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We have a lot of really, really large org libraries,""" start="00:08:41.590" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like org.el, which is like one megabyte or something large,""" start="00:08:45.313" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""org-agenda, org-table, org-list,""" start="00:08:49.377" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a number of files which are really,""" start="00:08:51.559" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""really, really large. What is worse is they are hard to""" start="00:08:52.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""understand sometimes. I even have an example,""" start="00:08:56.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""alphapapa complained that part of his motivation""" start="00:09:00.907" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to write org-ql and specifically his agenda part,""" start="00:09:04.506" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""agenda-like part, was""" start="00:09:07.868" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because org-agenda is so hard to understand that it's""" start="00:09:08.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""easier to start from scratch.""" start="00:09:13.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't want such situations""" start="00:09:15.573" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to happen in future, if possible at all.""" start="00:09:17.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""One of the projects""" start="00:09:20.375" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm currently working on,""" start="00:09:21.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's work in progress now,""" start="00:09:23.117" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is splitting Org libraries into smaller parts,""" start="00:09:25.101" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into more documented parts,""" start="00:09:28.438" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into the APIs which are actually""" start="00:09:31.809" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""documented and explained in the code at least,""" start="00:09:34.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that people who just open org-mode code""" start="00:09:38.471" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""cannot be scared away and go and""" start="00:09:42.572" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""read the comments and understand what is happening there""" start="00:09:45.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""easier. At this point, I have almost doubled the number of""" start="00:09:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""libraries. It's still work in progress, so there's a lot of""" start="00:09:52.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""room for improvement in this area.""" start="00:09:54.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Upstream generic Org libraries""" start="00:10:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another direction which is""" start="00:10:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somewhat reasonable in relation to splitting things down""" start="00:10:04.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is that some libraries are really generic in Org Mode,""" start="00:10:09.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because Org Mode often has a functionality""" start="00:10:15.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is really new, and for that,""" start="00:10:18.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it had to implement some very generic""" start="00:10:20.101" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functionality that doesn't have to be used""" start="00:10:22.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just for Org Mode.""" start="00:10:24.223" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This can be generalized for Emacs in general.""" start="00:10:24.904" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There is a number of libraries""" start="00:10:27.925" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which we may or may not upstream to""" start="00:10:29.646" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs, depending on what Emacs maintain, I think. As one""" start="00:10:33.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example is org-capture, because it's a very obvious""" start="00:10:37.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example. org-capture started as support from remember.el,""" start="00:10:40.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is still a part of Emacs. It has more features than""" start="00:10:43.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""remember.el, which we required for Org. But, you know,""" start="00:10:46.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these features can be backported. Why not? And then""" start="00:10:50.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not only Org-mode, but other Emacs libraries can benefit""" start="00:10:55.140" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from these features we have in Org-mode only.""" start="00:10:58.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Similarly, I have a long list of""" start="00:11:01.958" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different libraries that can be shared.""" start="00:11:04.740" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, for some I'm not sure,""" start="00:11:12.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but in general, there is a lot of""" start="00:11:14.005" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""work that may be done and may be discussed in the future.""" start="00:11:18.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Use modern Emacs APIs and libraries""" start="00:11:25.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The third part about the basics is making use of the new Emacs""" start="00:11:25.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""libraries. Org Mode in general is quite well written in terms""" start="00:11:31.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of Emacs integration. We do support many of the Emacs""" start="00:11:36.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features and libraries which are generic. However, in more""" start="00:11:40.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recent Emacs versions, we started getting some new""" start="00:11:44.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features, and we do want to make use of them in Org.""" start="00:11:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, recently we contributed yank-media support for""" start="00:11:50.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""clipboard pasting and drag and drop. Now it is supported""" start="00:11:55.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Org mode already in the released version. Eventually""" start="00:12:00.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we want to support transient.el, because now Org uses ad hoc""" start="00:12:04.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""system. It's of course much better to use existing and""" start="00:12:08.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more powerful menus, which are implemented in""" start="00:12:12.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""transient. It even has some initial work-in-progress""" start="00:12:14.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementation. I hope it can be eventually""" start="00:12:18.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extended to the whole Org Mode""" start="00:12:20.029" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There are other things like compatibility, which there is""" start="00:12:23.961" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""an excellent Emacs library, compat.el, that provides""" start="00:12:29.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""backwards compatibility and Org also has something like this""" start="00:12:33.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in org-compat. We don't have to write it ourself again.""" start="00:12:37.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can make use of the existing library.""" start="00:12:39.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Similarly, there's a very, very new library""" start="00:12:43.742" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""track-changes for tracking changes""" start="00:12:46.044" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in real time. Eventually, if you want to support""" start="00:12:48.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""context-menu mode, maybe touchscreen, Android""" start="00:12:53.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""support, I don't know, but I hope it can be done by someone.""" start="00:12:56.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And some more generic library: select thingatpt.""" start="00:13:01.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's about using external APIs.""" start="00:13:09.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Improve Org parser APIs""" start="00:13:13.257" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now about the internal Org APIs.""" start="00:13:13.257" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""One important, probably one of the most important""" start="00:13:18.558" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""parts of Org is the parser, how Org itself understands the""" start="00:13:19.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org files. The situation is that we have two parsers in""" start="00:13:23.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org mode. One is the Org element, the proper parser, which we""" start="00:13:27.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use as a reference, but many parts of Org still use regular""" start="00:13:31.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""expressions, which are approximate. These two parsers""" start="00:13:34.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""are not exactly consistent, which is really bad, and I hope""" start="00:13:38.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to solve this. I already started doing some work by""" start="00:13:41.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""factoring out some part of abstract syntax tree and working""" start="00:13:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on real-time parser, incremental parser, which is enabled""" start="00:13:54.141" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by default in Org 9.6, but there are still parts which I need""" start="00:13:57.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to work on. Eventually I want to get rid of regular""" start="00:14:00.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""expression-based parser completely, so that we don't have""" start="00:14:03.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""any inconsistencies inside Org Mode. One of the examples of""" start="00:14:05.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these parts that are still using regular expression is""" start="00:14:10.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fontification, which is often simply wrong, especially in""" start="00:14:13.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some edge cases, and we really want to use the proper parser""" start="00:14:16.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in this area. Maybe even editing org files using the parser""" start="00:14:21.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax tree, but that might be tricky, although there is an""" start="00:14:27.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""existing library that implements some ideas for this.""" start="00:14:31.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The key point is that org-element-api, the parser, should""" start="00:14:38.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""eventually be used everywhere""" start="00:14:41.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that everything is consistent.""" start="00:14:42.750" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Improve Org babel APIs""" start="00:14:45.731" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The second important API is the Org babel.""" start="00:14:45.731" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Currently, Org babel does have some API,""" start="00:14:50.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but first, it's not well documented.""" start="00:14:54.415" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Second, it's sometimes awkwardly""" start="00:14:56.196" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""designed, especially compared with the exporter.""" start="00:14:59.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do want Org Babel APIs to be more consistent.""" start="00:15:04.820" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another thing about Org Babel, it's not exactly API, but you""" start="00:15:11.420" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""know that documentation for most of the Babel backends are""" start="00:15:14.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not even in the Org manual, even though the backends are""" start="00:15:18.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""built-in. They are on Org Wiki, and we do want to move them to""" start="00:15:20.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the manual eventually. That's the important part, and it""" start="00:15:25.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should be done. Those are some obstacles, like not all the""" start="00:15:29.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features are properly implemented, and that's a bit of an""" start="00:15:34.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extra job that should be done. Another small thing which""" start="00:15:39.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thanks to Bruno Barbier is being done, in progress: we""" start="00:15:43.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should have a more robust asynchronous API for babel.""" start="00:15:48.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope it can progress further.""" start="00:15:51.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For now, it already progressed quite far.""" start="00:15:53.601" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Beyond Org code and Emacs: third-party packages, apps, parsers""" start="00:15:57.380" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""That's all about the basics, the underlying""" start="00:15:57.380" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""backbone of the Org codebase. Let's move to the second""" start="00:15:59.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""important direction which is""" start="00:16:04.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the third-party packages and basically the parsers""" start="00:16:09.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for mobile apps. I will postpone the community to the end""" start="00:16:13.740" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I want to have a call for contribution at the end.""" start="00:16:18.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For third-party packages, I would like to remind you that""" start="00:16:23.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""org-contrib""" start="00:16:31.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Org mode used to have something called org-contrib as a""" start="00:16:31.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""part of Org mode, which is a collection of small libraries,""" start="00:16:34.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""small packages that didn't have a proper""" start="00:16:39.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""copyright assignment basically,""" start="00:16:44.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but more or less a part of Org mode. This is""" start="00:16:45.496" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""no longer the case. Now what we did is""" start="00:16:49.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we moved a number of very rarely used libraries""" start="00:16:52.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from Org core itself to org-contrib,""" start="00:16:56.642" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and now we treat org-contrib as basically the libraries""" start="00:16:58.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we really want someone to take responsibility for.""" start="00:17:03.780" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We want to maintain this for everything that is in""" start="00:17:08.021" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""org-contrib, and from me and other Org team, we""" start="00:17:10.581" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""do not spend too much time maintaining this package,""" start="00:17:18.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just do some most basic bug fixing, and that's all.""" start="00:17:21.163" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you know, if you see""" start="00:17:25.287" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some libraries from org-contrib and you use them,""" start="00:17:27.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and you know Elisp, please volunteer to be""" start="00:17:30.032" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the maintainer, because otherwise""" start="00:17:31.992" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there will be not much progress in these libraries.""" start="00:17:34.455" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org orphanage""" start="00:17:37.820" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""As a natural extension of this and inspired by""" start="00:17:37.820" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Tarsius's Emacs Orphanage idea, we also maintain a small""" start="00:17:40.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""page basically listing the libraries, some others like""" start="00:17:46.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""packages, Emacs packages that are not really maintained.""" start="00:17:50.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you are a maintainer of a library and you don't have time""" start="00:17:55.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to do it, you can write to Org mailing list""" start="00:17:59.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we can add the library to this page""" start="00:18:02.508" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that we can search for new maintainers""" start="00:18:05.210" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in a more centralized way. If you are an""" start="00:18:09.919" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Elisp hacker and you want to help something for Org Mode,""" start="00:18:12.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can check that page and see where you can help.""" start="00:18:18.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Mobile apps and parsers""" start="00:18:25.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now away from Emacs, or mobile apps.""" start="00:18:25.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have quite a lot of mobile apps at this point.""" start="00:18:29.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Unfortunately, it's very hard""" start="00:18:33.949" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for me and many other Elisp contributors to contribute to""" start="00:18:35.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these apps because they are not using Elisp naturally. But""" start="00:18:42.460" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these applications heavily rely on Org markup. I do hope""" start="00:18:46.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we can keep Org markup consistent enough and rich""" start="00:18:52.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""enough so that people don't have to invent extensions to Org""" start="00:18:55.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like what happened to Markdown.""" start="00:19:00.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I really want to emphasize that""" start="00:19:06.021" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to see more Org parsers in different""" start="00:19:09.543" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""languages so that they can be used by developers.""" start="00:19:12.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For people who are writing these parsers,""" start="00:19:13.740" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I want to share this link. It is the org-syntax reference.""" start="00:19:24.186" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It is the official Org syntax,""" start="00:19:27.268" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is what we think it should be.""" start="00:19:29.369" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's described in plain human language.""" start="00:19:33.632" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's not a code. All details should be listed there.""" start="00:19:36.213" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Please use it as a reference if you are writing a parser.""" start="00:19:39.856" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Eventually, this document will be""" start="00:19:43.558" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""submitted to IETF, I hope. In the future""" start="00:19:45.119" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope to write a set of tests which will work as benchmarks.""" start="00:19:51.673" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""basically we have some existing tests for our internal""" start="00:19:56.060" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""parser and I want to factor out these tests so they can be used""" start="00:19:58.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by any parser, so that we can compare the performance and""" start="00:20:04.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which parts of Org mode are parsed and which parts are not.""" start="00:20:07.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I mentioned that we want to submit to IETF, which means that""" start="00:20:14.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org markup will become the actual registered format.""" start="00:20:19.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Long-standing syntax problems""" start="00:20:23.869" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""But before we do that and thus fix Org markup in stone,""" start="00:20:23.869" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it's very hard to change things in the IETF,""" start="00:20:31.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's important to address important problems,""" start="00:20:34.615" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""existing problems with Org syntax.""" start="00:20:38.837" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There are some problems, like I mentioned the""" start="00:20:41.218" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inconsistencies between the two existing parsers""" start="00:20:43.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Org mode. There are also some parts,""" start="00:20:46.942" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there are some examples, like there are""" start="00:20:51.408" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""problems with numeric priorities, for""" start="00:20:53.150" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example, which are not treated consistently. There are""" start="00:20:54.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""problems, more general problems with syntax when people""" start="00:20:58.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""request some edge cases which should be addressed. Like,""" start="00:21:02.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's very hard to do interword markup.""" start="00:21:07.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have zero-width space workaround, but many people dislike it,""" start="00:21:10.102" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so maybe we want to do something about it.""" start="00:21:13.702" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have some edge cases when we""" start="00:21:16.263" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""combine emphasis with links. We have some edge cases when we""" start="00:21:18.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have double blank lines inside some source blocks, for""" start="00:21:22.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example, and combination in the list. I hope we can""" start="00:21:24.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somehow address it. It's not impossible to do it, it just""" start="00:21:30.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""requires time. One annoying part is the inline task syntax.""" start="00:21:33.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's annoying both from the programming perspective,""" start="00:21:38.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""internally as implementation, and from the UI""" start="00:21:41.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""perspective, because there are too many stars. We""" start="00:21:43.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probably should redesign it eventually, maybe in""" start="00:21:47.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""backwards-compatible way, but we will see how it goes.""" start="00:21:50.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""New syntax features""" start="00:21:56.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Another part is not just fixing the edge cases or problems,""" start="00:21:56.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's the completely new syntax features. That's probably""" start="00:22:00.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""done after we submit to IETF. But there are important things""" start="00:22:04.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that people often request, like time zone support in""" start="00:22:07.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""timestamps. Better repeaters, like more flexible""" start="00:22:11.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""repeaters, that's really a frequent request also.""" start="00:22:15.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another idea is some custom markup, which is""" start="00:22:21.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""coming to various requests, like, for example, people""" start="00:22:28.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""often ask to highlight some words with a color,""" start="00:22:31.940" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for example, or with some other special way""" start="00:22:37.888" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then export it in a special way,""" start="00:22:40.891" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just as we do with special blocks, basically.""" start="00:22:43.334" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What I want to introduce is the ability to do it""" start="00:22:47.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on a macro level or inline.""" start="00:22:51.062" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Of course, a new syntax feature which I wish we could""" start="00:22:54.602" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have is the multi-line cells in tables.""" start="00:22:57.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's very frequently requested as well,""" start="00:23:01.065" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I really have no clue how to do it.""" start="00:23:02.546" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We had a discussion about this in previous""" start="00:23:07.008" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""discussions, but there was no conclusion. We don't see a""" start="00:23:09.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""good way how to implement it syntax-wise.""" start="00:23:13.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Unlike time zones where we decided exactly the syntax,""" start="00:23:16.156" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how it could be and we just need patches to be submitted,""" start="00:23:19.141" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""here even the idea of syntax is not clear.""" start="00:23:22.666" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Please do participate in these discussions""" start="00:23:25.611" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you have ideas.""" start="00:23:26.772" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""New features I hope to see in Org""" start="00:23:30.503" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The last direction is the""" start="00:23:30.503" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""new features. In general, I welcome all kinds of good""" start="00:23:32.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features, but there are certain things which I explicitly""" start="00:23:36.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""want to see and I hope to see submitted. If you are""" start="00:23:39.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interested, please do submit patches. One, and probably""" start="00:23:43.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""many people are aware about it, is the asynchronous LaTeX""" start="00:23:48.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""preview, developed by Timothy and Karthik. I hope it can be""" start="00:23:50.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""finalized eventually and upstreamed. It's pretty much in""" start="00:23:55.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ready state, but on the technical level it should be""" start="00:23:59.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""discussed further and revised. The second is org-ql by Adam.""" start="00:24:02.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I hope it can be upstreamed. It's also a work in progress.""" start="00:24:09.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's just a question of free time for Adam mostly, I think,""" start="00:24:17.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and me. That's another important part, new feature. The""" start="00:24:20.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""third is the so-called multi-page export. The idea is the""" start="00:24:26.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""same as many packages for blog posts, so that you have a""" start="00:24:30.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""single Org file and then you can export multiple HTML pages,""" start="00:24:34.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for example, or PDF pages, anything like that. This work in""" start="00:24:39.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""progress by Orm, thanks to him,""" start="00:24:42.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""although it was a little bit stuck because""" start="00:24:46.688" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I am not exactly sure how to best integrate it""" start="00:24:49.350" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into the existing APIs. If you are a developer of one of the""" start="00:24:52.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""blogging packages, I would appreciate if you can chime in""" start="00:24:56.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and probably share some ideas here. Next are just some""" start="00:25:01.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""wishes I wish we could have, but""" start="00:25:06.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's not very detailed. One is""" start="00:25:09.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the multi-language support, so that we can have Org""" start="00:25:11.950" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""documents in multiple languages, or maybe even""" start="00:25:14.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""translations. The collaborative editing that many""" start="00:25:16.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""people would wish to have, I think. Things like tracking""" start="00:25:21.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""changes, adding comments, importing from""" start="00:25:25.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some other Org formats with""" start="00:25:29.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the comments and changes""" start="00:25:30.875" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that we can actually participate""" start="00:25:32.036" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with all those Microsoft Word users""" start="00:25:34.019" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and stuff like that.""" start="00:25:36.963" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But that's really too much for me alone to handle.""" start="00:25:39.744" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you want to see one of these features, please consider""" start="00:25:43.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contributing. Just write the mailing list about your""" start="00:25:47.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interest and we can start from there.""" start="00:25:50.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org community""" start="00:25:54.073" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Now, the important part is, you see,""" start="00:25:54.073" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I keep asking people like,""" start="00:25:57.456" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""please contribute, please contribute,""" start="00:25:58.636" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but who should contribute?""" start="00:25:59.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org community forums - Org mailing list""" start="00:26:01.358" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""So I want to improve communication between the""" start="00:26:01.358" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""community and the mailing list. Now, people often""" start="00:26:03.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""discuss new features or ideas on all kinds of places like""" start="00:26:12.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Reddit, Mastodon, like all kinds of Matrix/IRC chats,""" start="00:26:16.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even on meetups, some non-English language. That's very""" start="00:26:20.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""nice that we have this community, but not all the ideas are""" start="00:26:25.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""visible to the developers. I do wish that the most""" start="00:26:29.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""important things that people want to see should end up on the""" start="00:26:34.500" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mailing list, one way or another.""" start="00:26:38.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll later talk about some""" start="00:26:42.332" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ideas how I think it can be done. Another part is""" start="00:26:43.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we have org-wiki and I hope that""" start="00:26:48.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can make it more centralized""" start="00:26:52.555" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""space for interesting Org mode articles,""" start="00:26:55.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for tutorials, for blog posts,""" start="00:26:58.477" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at least linked to blog posts. If you have""" start="00:27:00.618" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some idea about good blog posts, it would be nice if you""" start="00:27:03.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""submit a patch to work or at least email about this link""" start="00:27:08.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to the mailing list.""" start="00:27:13.026" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Org mailing list - world""" start="00:27:17.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Of course, not everyone likes to use mailing lists""" start="00:27:17.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or don't have a good setup to do it,""" start="00:27:21.055" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or even don't want to read""" start="00:27:23.810" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everything on Org mailing list, because there are things""" start="00:27:25.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like bug reports, people don't really want to see that. So""" start="00:27:27.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Bastien actually developed a tool that can help with this.""" start="00:27:31.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you want to monitor Org mailing list, but want to see""" start="00:27:35.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""only the most important discussions, and maybe""" start="00:27:39.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""participate if you decide to, you don't have to register. We""" start="00:27:42.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have Woof, which is basically a web page that monitors our""" start="00:27:45.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""main list, but not every email. That's the most important""" start="00:27:51.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""announcements, some blog-like posts, or feature""" start="00:27:55.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""requests, or some discussions. Then on this webpage,""" start="00:27:58.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can see it as HTML, or you can subscribe as RSS, or even""" start="00:28:02.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""download in Org or MD format.""" start="00:28:06.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thanks to Sacha Chua, also weekly news about Emacs in""" start="00:28:11.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""general, but Org Mode as well. It also includes the""" start="00:28:15.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""new features in Org Mode on the development branch and the""" start="00:28:23.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interesting new blog posts and discussions on various""" start="00:28:27.100" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Reddit forums or mailing lists everywhere. I did this""" start="00:28:30.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""little bit of experimental integration so that many lists""" start="00:28:35.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can also be read, kind of announced on the chats.""" start="00:28:39.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For example, in #org-mode Matrix room, we have a bot that""" start="00:28:45.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""connects to Woof RSS so that all the news and discussions are""" start="00:28:48.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""notified in the chat so that people""" start="00:28:53.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can see if they are interested""" start="00:28:55.924" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and maybe, hopefully, participate. I wish""" start="00:28:58.765" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we could also have similar kind of both for Reddit, Mastodon""" start="00:29:02.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and maybe IRC. That way we have mailing list connected to""" start="00:29:05.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more active and more modern forums and chats.""" start="00:29:10.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""More people exposed to what is happening.""" start="00:29:17.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another part is that we actually have a web interface to Org""" start="00:29:19.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mailing list and you can even reply from there,""" start="00:29:26.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it's not always obvious, unfortunately.""" start="00:29:29.049" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have this public inbox software""" start="00:29:31.401" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to transform the mailing list into""" start="00:29:37.746" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""HTML pages. That's a decent interface, but it could be""" start="00:29:40.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""improved to look more forum-like, so that people can easily""" start="00:29:45.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""find the reply button or basically participate without""" start="00:29:49.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""too much effort, even if they are not subscribed or they are just""" start="00:29:53.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""casually reading. That would be nice if someone""" start="00:29:56.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""knowledgeable of CSS could help with this.""" start="00:29:59.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contribute ideas!""" start="00:30:05.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Again, I cannot emphasize more that most of the Org ideas of""" start="00:30:05.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the new features are coming from people,""" start="00:30:12.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but often they are known either by someone""" start="00:30:16.975" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""submitting a patch to the mailing list or""" start="00:30:23.222" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""submitting an idea to the mailing list. Rarely, it happens when""" start="00:30:24.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""someone is reading posts from Reddit that don't share to the""" start="00:30:28.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mailing list. If you think that there is some important""" start="00:30:32.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""discussion happening on the forum,""" start="00:30:35.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it would be nice that you can go ahead and share it""" start="00:30:38.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with Org mailing list. We don't care about""" start="00:30:42.416" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on-topic, off-topic, because unlike""" start="00:30:46.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""emacs-devel, we don't focus on development.""" start="00:30:49.501" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can discuss some related to Org mode topics""" start="00:30:51.386" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in open-end list, just like on an ordinary forum.""" start="00:30:54.930" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""How much can a single person do?""" start="00:31:01.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I would like to end my talk with the call for contributions.""" start="00:31:01.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let me explain a little bit, because you saw now I shared many""" start="00:31:08.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""many ideas and I do spend a lot of time on Org Mode. In fact,""" start="00:31:13.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for the last year, I was spending like""" start="00:31:19.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""30 hours per week or something.""" start="00:31:21.323" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Until recently, I can spend a bit less, but still""" start="00:31:23.438" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""even with that much of commitment,""" start="00:31:27.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there is no way I can handle""" start="00:31:29.901" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everything by myself.""" start="00:31:31.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contribute code!""" start="00:31:35.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We really, really need more people to contribute""" start="00:31:35.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that Org mode keeps moving forward.""" start="00:31:38.552" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Again, I just shared ideas,""" start="00:31:43.634" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I have so many more.""" start="00:31:45.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have more than a thousand ideas noted down.""" start="00:31:46.395" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, there's no way I can do it myself.""" start="00:31:48.735" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do need help for new contributions, for new features.""" start="00:31:52.637" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If someone can help fixing bugs, it would be really great.""" start="00:31:57.351" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If someone knows specialized things,""" start="00:31:57.618" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like for example Open Document Format,""" start="00:32:04.292" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which I don't know very well, it would be""" start="00:32:06.874" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""really nice, because things like ODT export requires""" start="00:32:08.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""knowing that, and if someone already has the knowledge,""" start="00:32:13.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it would be much easier""" start="00:32:14.090" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if that person can help with such things.""" start="00:32:18.082" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Although in the coming years,""" start="00:32:23.481" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's very important to have""" start="00:32:26.869" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""regular contributors""" start="00:32:28.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because my life is my life""" start="00:32:28.831" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and things may happen,""" start="00:32:31.922" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so it would be nice to have some kind of backup""" start="00:32:34.364" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that bugs keep being fixed""" start="00:32:37.245" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and things like patches being accepted""" start="00:32:40.245" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and stuff like that,""" start="00:32:40.246" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that some person can at least""" start="00:32:44.568" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""temporarily take on my job.""" start="00:32:46.169" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I would like to emphasize""" start="00:32:49.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that the code contributors are the most""" start="00:32:51.511" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""important contributions for Org Mode.""" start="00:32:53.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All other types are less important, really.""" start="00:32:56.213" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Why contribute?""" start="00:33:02.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I want to spend a couple of slides""" start="00:33:02.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""trying to motivate you to contribute.""" start="00:33:03.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you ever considered contributing""" start="00:33:07.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or if you ever wished to have some""" start="00:33:11.129" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""feature in Org Mode, really don't wait, because""" start="00:33:13.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""most new features are contributed by people.""" start="00:33:16.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They are not contributed by me.""" start="00:33:18.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I contribute a few things, but I am alone.""" start="00:33:23.737" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I cannot contribute many things.""" start="00:33:25.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Most of the things are contributed by users""" start="00:33:27.039" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""who go ahead and submit patches.""" start="00:33:30.301" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And even in very commonly requested features,""" start="00:33:33.442" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's usually someone who steps up.""" start="00:33:37.324" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you want something, don't wait.""" start="00:33:40.345" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just go ahead and write to mailing list.""" start="00:33:42.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You don't have to submit a patch immediately.""" start="00:33:44.207" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can just say, I am interested.""" start="00:33:46.208" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We will start from there.""" start="00:33:48.730" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We'll start because that's my job""" start="00:33:53.820" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I will guide you through.""" start="00:33:56.044" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you have problems with Org in general,""" start="00:33:57.645" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll explain, because that's what I know.""" start="00:33:58.991" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will explain how to implement things better,""" start="00:34:02.309" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I need someone to actually do""" start="00:34:05.031" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the job and write the code.""" start="00:34:07.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Even if you don't have 10 years experience with Elisp,""" start="00:34:10.071" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it doesn't matter. You can learn on the way.""" start="00:34:19.058" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There are many examples of this in the""" start="00:34:21.179" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mailing list when we start slowly,""" start="00:34:22.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fix things one by one, and""" start="00:34:25.643" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""eventually arrive to a good quality""" start="00:34:27.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when the person is not experienced.""" start="00:34:29.226" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You just need to be ready to learn things,""" start="00:34:31.708" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Spend your free time (that's as usual, right?),""" start="00:34:34.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and have the interest in specific thing""" start="00:34:37.993" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you are contributing.""" start="00:34:41.215" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Don't be afraid to be wrong.""" start="00:34:43.500" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I will be there to assist.""" start="00:34:44.476" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you don't like emails,""" start="00:34:47.579" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you don't like patches, it doesn't matter.""" start="00:34:48.938" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Again, you can share GitHub link. It's okay.""" start="00:34:51.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can go and modify some workflow directly.""" start="00:34:55.362" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You submit the modified version. It's also okay.""" start="00:34:57.685" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's easy for me to create patches if I need to.""" start="00:34:59.566" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you don't like emails at all, you don't want to""" start="00:35:05.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""participate in the mailing list, it's not ideal, but I can""" start="00:35:07.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""still work with this. I am on IRC, I am on Matrix,""" start="00:35:11.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can ping me, it's yantar2.""" start="00:35:16.006" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We also have monthly meetup,""" start="00:35:19.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so you can go and ask by voice,""" start="00:35:22.348" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can just talk in person, discuss your ideas,""" start="00:35:23.988" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's also fine.""" start="00:35:27.089" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The key point is that we always welcome new contributors.""" start="00:35:29.300" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The more contributions to Org Mode is better.""" start="00:35:35.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Benefits for code contributors""" start="00:35:40.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""To increase the motivation,""" start="00:35:40.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll just try to show some benefits""" start="00:35:41.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of contributing to Org Mode and free software in general.""" start="00:35:44.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It can be actually useful for your CV if you're a programmer.""" start="00:35:49.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It doesn't matter if it's Lisp, because you can have a pet""" start="00:35:52.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""project that demonstrates your skills, that you can finish""" start="00:35:55.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something to a usable state.""" start="00:35:59.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""A pet project usually demonstrates""" start="00:36:04.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you can work alone, but it doesn't""" start="00:36:06.801" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""demonstrate anything about you working in a team, in the""" start="00:36:08.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""production team. When you contribute to""" start="00:36:12.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Libre software, look,""" start="00:36:15.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you will work with a number of people""" start="00:36:17.630" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""who contribute and comment on your work.""" start="00:36:20.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You'll have to learn a new code base.""" start="00:36:24.353" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You will have to follow certain standards.""" start="00:36:27.074" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All these things, by having a public record""" start="00:36:30.076" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of contribution, will be a valid point that proves your""" start="00:36:33.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""knowledge in your CV. I put a small quote""" start="00:36:37.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""(which I'm not going to read in the interest of time)""" start="00:36:42.088" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from Rudolf Adamkovič,""" start="00:36:44.870" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""who is describing these three points in probably a""" start="00:36:46.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more expressive way.""" start="00:36:50.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another benefit is you can actually get money from this.""" start="00:36:56.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thanks to a number of Org Mode users who kindly contribute to""" start="00:36:59.940" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org development, we have some amount of money""" start="00:37:04.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""coming in, and we don't hold on this money.""" start="00:37:07.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If we get another person who contributes""" start="00:37:11.010" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to Org regularly, we are happy to share this money,""" start="00:37:13.551" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because we do know that""" start="00:37:17.512" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""getting some extra money, even a little bit,""" start="00:37:22.540" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""does improve motivation.""" start="00:37:24.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We are really ready to share this.""" start="00:37:27.217" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you are serious about contributing,""" start="00:37:29.159" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can just request this""" start="00:37:33.524" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we can share a part of the donations to you.""" start="00:37:34.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Contributing as non-programmer""" start="00:37:41.420" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""For non-programmers, we also have a lot of work to do.""" start="00:37:41.420" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's a lot of stuff we can do on the Org wiki,""" start="00:37:45.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""especially with CSS styles,""" start="00:37:47.093" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with updating articles,""" start="00:37:48.755" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with adding links to tutorials,""" start="00:37:53.179" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or even writing tutorials about Org Mode.""" start="00:37:54.881" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It would be nice to have more screencasts.""" start="00:37:56.223" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It would be nice to improve Org manual,""" start="00:38:01.082" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because that's the most difficult part for me""" start="00:38:02.703" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I'm too familiar with the code.""" start="00:38:05.284" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Writing the manual when you know things internally""" start="00:38:07.326" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is very hard. I just know too many things.""" start="00:38:11.227" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can assume that people know too much,""" start="00:38:13.728" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that new users have no idea about certain things.""" start="00:38:16.810" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can just omit those without being aware.""" start="00:38:20.912" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Got no free time, but still want to help?""" start="00:38:30.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""The final slide I would go to come back is about""" start="00:38:30.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""donations. Again, most important is contributing code,""" start="00:38:33.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I do hope that donations can""" start="00:38:37.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""increase the number of contributors.""" start="00:38:42.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't know. I know for sure because some""" start="00:38:45.446" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""people like Timothy, who is participating in this, he did""" start="00:38:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""find the donations helpful, especially for more boring""" start="00:38:52.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tasks like bug fixing and to move things""" start="00:38:55.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""over the long time. If you cannot contribute by other means,""" start="00:39:00.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it would be appreciated to contribute money.""" start="00:39:07.836" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you""" start="00:39:12.997" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""We came to the end of my talk.""" start="00:39:12.997" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you for your attention.""" start="00:39:14.818" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.""" start="00:39:16.278" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think we can even discuss further""" start="00:39:19.699" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""during the next Org Meetup in the coming week.""" start="00:39:22.899" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There, if you have more detailed questions,""" start="00:39:28.181" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we can continue discussing""" start="00:39:30.321" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""apart from what happens after this presentation.""" start="00:39:31.641" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="org-update-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1>

[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Okay. Hi again, Ihor. How are you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doing? Ready to answer questions, right? Yes. Ready to""" start="00:00:05.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""answer questions and all this. I mean, ready for""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everything. It's not just a question, it's the maintenance""" start="00:00:13.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that is now lying in front of you. So... Oh, that's not the end""" start="00:00:15.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the day. I mean, it's a rare thing indeed, because you""" start="00:00:21.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""might not be able to see it on BBB. I'm checking in, but we've""" start="00:00:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""got Ihor, obviously, but we also have Bastien and also""" start="00:00:27.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Carsten in the room. So, we have three maintainers of Org""" start="00:00:30.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Mode right there in the room to answer all your questions.""" start="00:00:34.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, it's a rare occasion that I invite all of you to seize the""" start="00:00:36.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""day on this. Ihor, do you have anything maybe to say before we""" start="00:00:40.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""start moving into the questions? Well, I hope that I said""" start="00:00:44.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everything I wanted. Hello, Bastien. during the""" start="00:00:49.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""presentation. Well, actually, I can say a lot more, like""" start="00:00:51.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""infinitely, because when I first recorded it, it was like""" start="00:00:55.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""one hour. So yeah. I mean, you did a, I'll just let you know,""" start="00:01:01.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you did a fine job condensing everything in just 40 minutes.""" start="00:01:06.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So congratulations on this. Yeah, it's, yeah, usually one""" start="00:01:08.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""minute per slide is the best way. Otherwise, it's something""" start="00:01:14.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's wrong with this presentation. Right, so just moving""" start="00:01:18.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""into the question, and by the way we've got 20 minutes, we""" start="00:01:22.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""might be able to chat a little more if Bastien wants to say""" start="00:01:25.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something as well and Carsten, you know, feel free to""" start="00:01:27.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""intervene at any point during the questions if you've got""" start="00:01:29.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""anything to contribute or our voice will just show the""" start="00:01:33.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""breeze later on. So the first question is relating to""" start="00:01:35.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something you said about 10 minutes 34 that might speak more""" start="00:01:37.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to you than to me.""" start="00:01:41.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Is the track-changes item about the org-element parser?""" start="00:01:42.686" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Is the track changes item about the org""" start="00:01:42.686" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""element parser Yes, the track changes is a new library that""" start="00:01:45.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""helps to receive changes in buffers incrementally. So like""" start="00:01:51.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you can, it has API where you can request what changes""" start="00:01:58.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""happened in buffer since last request, chunk by chunk. And""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in org mode, in org element parser, we do pretty much the same""" start="00:02:08.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thing, but using timers. So this track changes library""" start="00:02:14.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should improve things, first, because it's a bit faster,""" start="00:02:19.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because we don't need to conjure every single change, and""" start="00:02:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""track changes can agglomerate changes into chunks much""" start="00:02:29.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more efficiently. And second, it's a built-in library, so""" start="00:02:32.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's a good idea to use built-in library when there is such an""" start="00:02:36.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""option, instead of running out our own implementation.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the second question, although I'm""" start="00:02:45.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not sure it refers that much to what you can do.""" start="00:02:49.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Could you please keep IRC alive? I prefer it to Matrix""" start="00:02:52.665" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Could you please keep IRC alive? And I prefer it to Matrix. I mean,""" start="00:02:52.665" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you did talk about IRC, right? But did we talk about phasing""" start="00:02:57.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it out? So I try to be live on IRC, but I use mobile client for""" start="00:03:03.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""IRC to keep connected. So I usually connected, I usually see""" start="00:03:08.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""messages, except certain times when I don't have mobile""" start="00:03:13.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""internet. Right. Okay. That's why many people will tell""" start="00:03:15.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you, you need a bouncer and all this, but the IRC crowd is very""" start="00:03:19.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""loud. I just don't know a good bouncer. I don't have a good""" start="00:03:23.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""setup for a bouncer. Okay.""" start="00:03:33.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Personally, I use WeChat usually to stay connected to""" start="00:03:36.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""email. It's obviously a client for IRC, but it also allows""" start="00:03:41.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you to, you know, you can keep it as a bouncer, but it's not in""" start="00:03:44.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs. It is. I don't have a computer that is running 24""" start="00:03:47.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hours, so. I mean, that's the thing. I do have a server to run""" start="00:03:54.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it off. All right, moving on to the third question. That is""" start="00:03:56.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what is running 24 hours. Right. Okay. All right. Moving on""" start="00:04:02.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to the third question.""" start="00:04:06.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Is there any plan for adding support for other modalities of notes like handwritten,  audio, etc.?""" start="00:04:07.988" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Is there any plan for adding support""" start="00:04:07.988" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for other modalities of note-like, handwritten, audio,""" start="00:04:09.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and et cetera? Would that be interesting to the community?""" start="00:04:11.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It will definitely be useful for me. I didn't. Okay. So this""" start="00:04:14.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is not the idea I hear frequently. So there's no plan for such""" start="00:04:20.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thing. Modalities of notes like handwritten audio. I think""" start="00:04:25.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""John Kitchin did some handwritten note.""" start="00:04:29.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""John Kitchin. Yeah. And for audio, I think as well. I. So""" start="00:04:34.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""basically you can use attachments, you can use images to""" start="00:04:46.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""paste you. I think John Kitchin even use it to automatically""" start="00:04:49.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recognize notes.""" start="00:04:54.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think the previous speaker was talking about a whisper to""" start="00:04:58.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recognize voice. Right.""" start="00:05:05.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Otherwise there is no special workflow and I'm not even sure""" start="00:05:10.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what we can do to support this workflow specifically.""" start="00:05:13.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah, it definitely feels like Org Mode is a good format for""" start="00:05:16.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""textual stuff, and a lot of things are textual. I mean,""" start="00:05:22.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's the whole philosophy behind Emacs. But when it comes""" start="00:05:25.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to voice, it feels like it's... I think the person asking the""" start="00:05:29.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""question probably needs to specify what they mean by voice.""" start="00:05:34.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Is it just raw note-taking, as Blaine mentioned in a""" start="00:05:36.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""previous talk, or is it something else? Feel free to add up to""" start="00:05:40.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the question and we'll return to it later on.""" start="00:05:43.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""have it translated to text. I think that would be an""" start="00:05:57.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interesting API to do this, right? So that you can integrate""" start="00:06:00.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""believe what constant is alluring to is the fact that not""" start="00:06:12.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""just pictures but imagine if you were bringing in an audio""" start="00:06:14.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""file maybe you could, I mean I'm not sure it would work with""" start="00:06:17.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whisper but. transcribing it in a way and inserting it as""" start="00:06:20.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""but it's an interesting idea though. It can work if you write""" start="00:06:27.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some kind of automatic speech recognition. It's not really""" start="00:06:30.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a job for work. If you have some library that can transform""" start="00:06:35.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""audio to text or transform image to text in Elixir, then we""" start="00:06:39.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can happily use that library. Definitely, but I can tell you""" start="00:06:43.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that Whisper is not something that works very quickly. We do""" start="00:06:47.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""use Whisper AI to transcribe some of the talks that we""" start="00:06:50.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""broadcast during EmacsConf, and I can tell you it takes a""" start="00:06:53.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fair while. If you have a video that lasts one minute, it's""" start="00:06:56.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""definitely going to take more than one minute to try to""" start="00:06:59.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""transcribe the video. We had to wait for a few years until it""" start="00:07:03.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""passed. Probably, but it's good to have the ID now so""" start="00:07:09.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we are ready eventually to do this. There is the new""" start="00:07:12.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""asynchronous IP. It's called org-pending. It's work in""" start="00:07:17.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""progress. And that basically allows to defer inserting""" start="00:07:23.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""text into our buffers until later. And while it's being""" start="00:07:29.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""worked on, it will basically highlight the place where it""" start="00:07:34.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will be inserted. And you can click on it, see the progress,""" start="00:07:37.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""things like voice recognition, it can also work.""" start="00:07:49.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right, what I suggest we do, we're going to fill the two""" start="00:07:56.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""questions that we have now, and then it'd be nice if we could""" start="00:07:59.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hear a word from Bastien and from Carsten as well, because""" start="00:08:02.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's rare to have all of you three in a room, and it would be""" start="00:08:05.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""nice maybe to chat a little bit about this. So quickly, with""" start="00:08:08.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: WRT IETF standardization, have you looked at Karl Voit's OrgDown?""" start="00:08:11.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""the last two questions, with regards to IETF""" start="00:08:11.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""standardization, have you looked at Karl Voit's Orgdown?""" start="00:08:14.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""and there was a lot of pushback to this idea, especially to""" start="00:08:24.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""simplify the syntax. So, in short, the conclusion from""" start="00:08:28.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there is we want the full syntax, we don't want to have things""" start="00:08:33.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like different versus Org mode. But for the syntax, we may""" start="00:08:37.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""specify different like coverage. So for example, it's a""" start="00:08:43.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""minimal, it has a minimal support so people can, there's""" start="00:08:49.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some parsers or apps can support just whatever curl calls""" start="00:08:53.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""key point is, when it goes to IETF, we want to have the full""" start="00:09:04.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax. We don't want to split it into pieces.""" start="00:09:10.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Makes a lot of sense. All right. And the last question we have""" start="00:09:13.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: About a year ago we discussed switching GNU documentation from texinfo to org. Do you still consider this?""" start="00:09:18.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""for now. About a year ago, we discussed switching new""" start="00:09:18.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""documentation from texinfo to org. Do you still consider""" start="00:09:22.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this? definitely contributed to some of the ideas about""" start="00:09:26.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax. For example, the inline special blocks, I think""" start="00:09:30.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about them with this in mind, so that, so basically, one""" start="00:09:34.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""clarity, we don't want to complicate our syntax, we don't""" start="00:09:41.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""want to have special built-in support for variable, or I""" start="00:09:46.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""don't know, function name, or all this kind of specific""" start="00:09:50.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""markup. But instead, the idea is to have some generic custom""" start="00:09:54.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax. And then when it goes to software manuals, we want""" start="00:10:00.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some like optional library that will provide certain""" start="00:10:06.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax extensions, like inline special block for""" start="00:10:09.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""variables, inline special block for acronym and stuff like""" start="00:10:12.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that. Then people who want to use Org mode for manuals should""" start="00:10:15.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be able to use that new markup to achieve what they want.""" start="00:10:21.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's a distant idea. But the key point is we want to keep org""" start="00:10:26.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mode as generic syntax. We don't want to specialize it for""" start="00:10:34.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""software specifically. But generic in the sense that it can""" start="00:10:39.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be used for software as well.""" start="00:10:43.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right, well thank you so much for your answer here and""" start="00:10:44.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that was very enlightening but I'd first like to give the mic""" start="00:10:50.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to Bastien who might need to leave shortly and I just want to""" start="00:10:56.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""make sure that you get to chat a little bit Bastien because""" start="00:11:00.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's a big thing we've had you as a maintainer for however""" start="00:11:03.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""long now? Well, officially, it was 14 years. But obviously,""" start="00:11:06.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""EHO has been doing much of the groundwork as a de facto""" start="00:11:13.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maintainer for several years now, I believe for three or""" start="00:11:18.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""four years. And before Before IHO, there was Nicolas Goaziou,""" start="00:11:20.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""who's doing a lot of work. Also Kyle Meyer, who is still""" start="00:11:28.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""active, backporting Emacs changes. So""" start="00:11:33.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's a relief that we can do things properly, that I didn't""" start="00:11:40.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""give up before someone could really step up. I'm glad we're""" start="00:11:46.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""doing this. And I'm glad there was so much help during the""" start="00:11:51.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""time when I was not available enough. Well, thank you,""" start="00:11:57.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Bastien. I think on behalf of the community, I think I'd like""" start="00:12:01.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to extend a big thank you for all the work you've done""" start="00:12:05.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""throughout those 14 years. And if we pull the rope just a""" start="00:12:07.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""little more, before those 14 years, we had someone else""" start="00:12:12.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maintaining Org Mode, well, not actually just maintaining""" start="00:12:15.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode, but also inventing it. Carsten, how are you doing?""" start="00:12:18.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I am. I'm doing fine. A really great opportunity to be here.""" start="00:12:20.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Community""" start="00:12:26.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""First, I would like to start by indeed thanking Bastien""" start="00:12:26.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because, I mean, he was not only maintainer after I stopped,""" start="00:12:31.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but already during the time I was there, he was one of the key""" start="00:12:34.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contributors who helped the project along for quite a bit.""" start="00:12:37.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's an incredible investment of time and energy that""" start="00:12:40.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Basquiat has shown, which is really fantastic. And now I see""" start="00:12:44.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Ihor taking over with, as far as I can see, deep knowledge and""" start="00:12:48.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all the right ideas about philosophy. So I'm really""" start="00:12:52.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""impressed. For me, this is really totally amazing because I""" start="00:12:56.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""started hacking this more than 20 years ago. And to just see""" start="00:13:00.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that there's a community that has sustained itself with the""" start="00:13:04.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""help of new maintainers for such a long time makes me""" start="00:13:07.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extremely grateful. So thank you very much to all of you.""" start="00:13:11.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, well, amazing. I mean, I'm a little flustered, I must""" start="00:13:14.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""admit, because I'm seeing three players of the community in""" start="00:13:20.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a way that have kept me busy with very fun stuff to do with Org""" start="00:13:23.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Mode, and it's really amazing to see three giants of the""" start="00:13:27.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""community being able to maintain Org Mode for so long and""" start="00:13:31.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contribute so much to it. So, again, thanks to all of you""" start="00:13:34.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""three. I must also admit that it's really amazing for me""" start="00:13:38.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that all of you three stress the importance of the community""" start="00:13:40.982" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""okay. They're also at her pad, so we may want to finish other""" start="00:25:58.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""questions, maybe, if there are some. This is just a circle.""" start="00:26:02.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""microemacs""" start="00:26:08.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""This is just a historical question, but Carsten, I think you""" start="00:26:08.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""used microemacs back in the day.""" start="00:26:12.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Did that have any influence""" start="00:26:14.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on Org? That is a really interesting question. I used""" start="00:26:17.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""microemacs as my first version of emacs, and then I stepped""" start="00:26:23.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""over to Emacs. I actually did two things at the same time. I""" start="00:26:27.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also was working with so Awk basically, that language. I ran""" start="00:26:33.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""against walls with both Micro-Emacs and with Awk, where I had""" start="00:26:39.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the feeling I don't have enough freedom to do everything""" start="00:26:45.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I wanted, so I switched to Perl on one side and to Emacs on""" start="00:26:48.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the other side. That's what it was. Micro-Emacs absolutely""" start="00:26:52.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""had the function to pull me into Emacs, But it's not that I""" start="00:26:58.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have specific microemacs features that would have""" start="00:27:02.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""triggered me to do something for Org Mode. I think that would be""" start="00:27:04.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the answer to your question. All right, thanks.""" start="00:27:08.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Are you a user of microemacs, George? I posted the source to""" start="00:27:14.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""CompSource's Amiga in 86, and I was somewhat responsible""" start="00:27:21.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for it being in the wild. Oh, I'm so sorry that I didn't,""" start="00:27:26.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""wasn't really aware that I made the connection to your name.""" start="00:27:31.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""No, no, no, no. We all moved on and the world is a better place.""" start="00:27:35.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah. No, I actually did use it for something like, I think""" start="00:27:39.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""six years as my only admin at the time before I made the""" start="00:27:44.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""switch. No, I put it out to the list. David Lawrence ran with""" start="00:27:47.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it and you know, that was about, that was the end of it. And I""" start="00:27:51.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""actually implemented something like fly spell for""" start="00:27:55.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""microemacs. I remember doing that at some point. Yeah, no, I""" start="00:27:57.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""don't want us to get stuck on that. I don't want us to get stuck""" start="00:28:02.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on that, so. Yeah, yeah. Good. Thank you. Thank you for""" start="00:28:05.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Org Mode. Yeah, you're most welcome.""" start="00:28:10.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For microemacs, actually, I also tried it once. It feels""" start="00:28:17.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like at home after Emacs, of course, the major downside was at""" start="00:28:22.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this point is that there is no UTF support. I think that was""" start="00:28:27.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like, unfortunately, that that's not going to work. I""" start="00:28:33.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""think I'm also going to disconnect now. But it was really""" start="00:28:40.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fantastic to listen to your talk. I wish you all the best. I'm""" start="00:28:43.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sure that is a good answer. Thank you for joining, and nice to""" start="00:28:49.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""meet you. Yeah, bye. Bye.""" start="00:28:53.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, so there are still people in the room, so if you want to""" start="00:29:00.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ask questions, feel free to do it. I""" start="00:29:02.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""think there's one unanswered question in the etherpad""" start="00:29:10.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also. Let me see.""" start="00:29:12.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's probably awkward to answer. Okay, I can answer and then""" start="00:29:18.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""probably answering the answer for this one. So there's a""" start="00:29:21.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""question about, from a person, I spent some time writing a""" start="00:29:24.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""library for myself, which involved working with Org files.""" start="00:29:28.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Is there/could there be a resource with which to recommend particularly well written codebases for review by others?""" start="00:29:31.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""One thing I struggled with was finding a good source of""" start="00:29:31.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""reference code which demonstrated idiomatic usage.""" start="00:29:34.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""particularly well-written code bases for review by""" start="00:29:41.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""others? That's a good question. We have some wiki pages.""" start="00:29:46.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll put it in the answer later. You can also check Org Mode's""" start="00:29:52.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""code, but usually in org-element there are good usages, and""" start="00:29:57.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Org export.""" start="00:30:02.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Otherwise, maybe something from Alphapapa, but I need to""" start="00:30:06.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""check that and probably reply later.""" start="00:30:10.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Otherwise, that's all. So I'm going to end this.""" start="00:30:16.167" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Bye bye.""" start="00:30:52.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]

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