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[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Hi everyone, my name is Jeremy Friesen, pronouns are he/him,""" start="00:00:01.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and today I'll be talking about""" start="00:00:06.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""mentoring VS Coders as an Emacs-ian.""" start="00:00:07.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""A little bit of background, since 2015, I've mentored""" start="00:00:11.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about 40 software developers,""" start="00:00:15.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""many of them in career-transitioning roles,""" start="00:00:16.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oftentimes from boot camps.""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've also managed a couple of small software development teams.""" start="00:00:21.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Framing approaches""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So I want to think about mentoring and the framing approaches.""" start="00:00:26.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We all don't know what we don't know.""" start="00:00:30.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So while mentoring, I like to be curious---asking questions,""" start="00:00:32.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like to be visible,""" start="00:00:36.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I also like to pair so that we can share.""" start="00:00:37.660" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""What are you looking to learn?""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""When I start, I like to ask the following type of question:""" start="00:00:41.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;What have you been wanting to learn more of,""" start="00:00:45.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""get better at, and improve on?&quot;""" start="00:00:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Then I like to ask further questions to get an understanding""" start="00:00:49.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of where they've been, where they're going,""" start="00:00:52.940" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and what they'd like to achieve.""" start="00:00:55.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Later I'll ask coaching questions, &quot;what's going well,&quot;""" start="00:00:57.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;where are you getting stuck,&quot;""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and &quot;if you change one thing, what would it be?&quot;""" start="00:01:01.420" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Make the work visible""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""So like many people, I shifted to remote work in 2020,""" start="00:01:06.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I've noticed a higher collaboration in remote work,""" start="00:01:09.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when folks make their work visible.""" start="00:01:13.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So to do that I host office hours,""" start="00:01:15.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I try to attend other people's office hours,""" start="00:01:18.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'll open up a Slack huddle and just code by myself,""" start="00:01:20.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but let folks know, please hop in.""" start="00:01:23.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Hop in and be curious""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""I like to pay attention to other huddles that start.""" start="00:01:29.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If they're going still for, like, 45 minutes or so,""" start="00:01:32.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll hop in and say hello.""" start="00:01:35.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's even odds that they're moving along just fine""" start="00:01:36.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or that they're stuck.""" start="00:01:39.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So by hopping into the Slack huddle,""" start="00:01:40.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm helping with a common problem.""" start="00:01:43.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How do you know when you're stuck?""" start="00:01:45.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is something that---as a manager---folks want to know,""" start="00:01:47.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how can I get unstuck faster?""" start="00:01:50.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""As a human, it can be frustrating to be stuck for a long time,""" start="00:01:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you also learn stuff""" start="00:01:57.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when you're dealing with the hard things.""" start="00:01:58.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you really need to balance that time,""" start="00:02:00.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I find hopping in, just being a gentle presence,""" start="00:02:03.220" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with yes... an agenda, but just to say hi,""" start="00:02:07.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is crucial to help the team members move along.""" start="00:02:10.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Pairing is for sharing""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Pairing is for sharing.""" start="00:02:15.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""When I pair, I like to let others drive.""" start="00:02:17.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They're typing and working to resolve the problem.""" start="00:02:19.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm giving guidance, asking questions,""" start="00:02:22.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maybe thinking through a refactor.""" start="00:02:24.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm also spending time observing how they interact with their editor.""" start="00:02:27.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In the moment, I try to limit advice to, like, one concept.""" start="00:02:31.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""A lot of folks don't know that `Control-a`""" start="00:02:35.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will take you to the beginning of line.""" start="00:02:37.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just sharing that is huge sometimes.""" start="00:02:39.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just gently do it and let it float there.""" start="00:02:42.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And assuming we have a regular mentoring session,""" start="00:02:46.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll make sure to ask how they're feeling""" start="00:02:48.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about using their tools afterwards.""" start="00:02:50.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I would love to get to the point where they ask,""" start="00:02:52.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;You saw me using my editor, what is something""" start="00:02:55.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I could learn?&quot;""" start="00:02:58.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm working on getting to that point.""" start="00:03:00.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Editor functions""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""While pairing, I like to pay attention""" start="00:03:03.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to how folks handle the following.""" start="00:03:05.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Where do they want to go?""" start="00:03:07.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How do they get there?""" start="00:03:08.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Here they are, now what?""" start="00:03:10.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How do they summarize?""" start="00:03:12.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I know what I can do in Emacs,""" start="00:03:13.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I assume that VS Code can do something similar.""" start="00:03:15.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's a matter of helping the mentees find those packages and plugins.""" start="00:03:17.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Where do they want to go?""" start="00:03:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Where to go?""" start="00:03:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Search within a project.""" start="00:03:24.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Everybody knows about this, but one thing""" start="00:03:25.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that has been really critical for me""" start="00:03:28.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""has been the arrival of `Orderless`.""" start="00:03:29.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""A little quick demonstration.""" start="00:03:31.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If I look, and I have this &quot;chicken&quot; and I do &quot;spell&quot;,""" start="00:03:34.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have found one, and they don't have""" start="00:03:40.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to be in the right order.""" start="00:03:42.201" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In fact, I can go back, and &quot;spell&quot; is there.""" start="00:03:43.381" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Super easy, helpful, so I don't have to think about it, the order.""" start="00:03:48.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Search across projects.""" start="00:03:52.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Cross-repository searching is super-simple in Emacs,""" start="00:03:54.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I've never seen anyone do it in VS Code.""" start="00:03:59.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm also trying to introduce folks to command-line tools""" start="00:04:02.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""such as RipGrep and SilverSearcher,""" start="00:04:05.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not just to look in the project, but to go one directory up""" start="00:04:07.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and look across projects""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because sometimes when you're working on lots of different projects,""" start="00:04:12.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there might be solutions or ideas that come from there.""" start="00:04:15.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also notice that a lot of people use directory trees to navigate,""" start="00:04:19.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I favor the fuzzy text.""" start="00:04:23.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I can do something like `Command-t`""" start="00:04:25.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and start looking for things in there.""" start="00:04:27.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just type the name of the file.""" start="00:04:31.280" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I use `consult-projectile`,""" start="00:04:33.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which has a lot of really cool functionality.""" start="00:04:35.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The big one being I can type `r`, recent file.""" start="00:04:39.540" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can type `p` and jump to a different project,""" start="00:04:43.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so it's a quick navigation tool that I've not seen in VS Code.""" start="00:04:47.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""How do they get there?""" start="00:04:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Next up is how do they get there?""" start="00:04:53.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I like to use LSP for the languages,""" start="00:04:56.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I bound `M-.` to this""" start="00:04:58.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and jump back and forth to definitions.""" start="00:05:02.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just showed `projectile` or `consult-projectile`""" start="00:05:05.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and its super-amazing multifunction finder.""" start="00:05:09.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Also another one that I am very avid about""" start="00:05:12.860" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is the jump between definition and test.""" start="00:05:15.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I bind that to `Super-.`""" start="00:05:19.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it helps me jump back and forth""" start="00:05:22.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""between my production code and my test code---""" start="00:05:25.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""especially in Ruby, there's an idiom for that.""" start="00:05:28.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There is plugins in VS Code that does this correctly.""" start="00:05:32.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Here they are, now what?""" start="00:05:36.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Next up, now I'm here, what do I do?""" start="00:05:36.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Word completion, Emacs just knocks everything out of the park:""" start="00:05:39.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""`dabbrev`, `templates`, `hippie-expand`, `completion-at-point`.""" start="00:05:44.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sometimes it just hurts to watch people type stuff""" start="00:05:48.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that they could quickly expand""" start="00:05:52.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because there are words within the code.""" start="00:05:54.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another one is auto-formatting.""" start="00:05:56.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Tree sitter...its arrival is great.""" start="00:05:57.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I assume this is going to get better.""" start="00:06:00.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I love highlighting a region, hitting `TAB`, and it's just formatted.""" start="00:06:01.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've seen a lot of VS Coders... that doesn't work for them.""" start="00:06:04.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Don't know why, trying to get them to see it.""" start="00:06:08.761" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Multi-cursor [`multiple-cursors`] and `iedit`...""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""took me a long time to explore `iedit`,""" start="00:06:12.901" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but the practice... but practicing was huge,""" start="00:06:14.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it has transformed my approach to coding and typing.""" start="00:06:17.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Folks know about multi-cursor editing and editing-in-region""" start="00:06:21.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but make sure that they are aware of it.""" start="00:06:24.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's important.""" start="00:06:27.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Next up is inline searching.""" start="00:06:29.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My beloved Textmate... it was the first thing.""" start="00:06:32.620" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In fact, it was why I chose not to use Emacs in 2005""" start="00:06:35.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and went with Textmate.""" start="00:06:38.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is something quite simple.""" start="00:06:41.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can do `search` within here, and I can see &quot;introduced&quot;,""" start="00:06:43.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it will show me the line.""" start="00:06:50.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What I like about that is when I'm in code,""" start="00:06:52.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I can see the neighborhood of other things""" start="00:06:54.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and get a good idea of what's around.""" start="00:06:56.320" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yes, there is `occur-mode` that can be super useful,""" start="00:06:58.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I'm used to the Textmate in it.""" start="00:07:01.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just love it.""" start="00:07:03.840" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""How do they summarize?""" start="00:07:06.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Next up is how they summarize.""" start="00:07:06.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've seen a lot of bootcamp graduates write commit messages""" start="00:07:08.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""by going to the command line.""" start="00:07:11.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""In my experience, commit messages written in the command line""" start="00:07:14.380" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tend to be terse.""" start="00:07:17.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They miss something.""" start="00:07:18.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I try to really quickly shift folks to use their text editor,""" start="00:07:19.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""encourage them and""" start="00:07:23.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""teach them about `$GIT_EDITOR` and `$EDITOR` for the environment variables""" start="00:07:24.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so they can make their commits from the command line.""" start="00:07:28.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And if not there, help them improve how they do VS Code.""" start="00:07:31.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""My little screed at the top:""" start="00:07:34.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the interface for VS Code's commit is trash.""" start="00:07:35.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It is why I stepped away from VS Code when I was exploring editors.""" start="00:07:38.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""General strategies""" start="00:07:44.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Next up, my goal is to encourage folks to use editors for writing,""" start="00:07:44.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to think about owning that tool.""" start="00:07:48.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Commit to one item of learning each week""" start="00:07:52.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""I have them try to learn one thing a week.""" start="00:07:52.060" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Maybe they aren't going to learn it,""" start="00:07:54.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but just not to overwhelm them""" start="00:07:55.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and find those high-value things.""" start="00:07:57.800" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Jump to spec, jump to code... super-valuable""" start="00:07:59.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because I see folks doing it a lot during the day,""" start="00:08:03.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and it can really speed up the transition time""" start="00:08:06.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and keep the focus between the test...""" start="00:08:10.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what you're trying to test and what you're trying to define,""" start="00:08:12.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which can get lost if you do the tree navigation.""" start="00:08:15.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Practice within your knowledge domain""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Also I encourage people to practice their domain knowledge.""" start="00:08:18.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I learned a lot about programming by doing a bunch of things""" start="00:08:22.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""related to RPGs---role-playing games.""" start="00:08:27.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I did this previously in Ruby---dice rollers, note takers,""" start="00:08:30.020" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""random table lookups---and now I'm doing it in Emacs.""" start="00:08:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Knowing the domain helps me set aside the problem space""" start="00:08:35.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then explore how I code""" start="00:08:40.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and how I can implement things differently.""" start="00:08:42.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Note-taking""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Note-taking: pay attention to how folks create a fleeting note.""" start="00:08:47.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It can be excruciating as they try to figure out""" start="00:08:51.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;where am I going to put this?&quot;""" start="00:08:54.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;What file?&quot;""" start="00:08:55.600" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;Where does it go?&quot;""" start="00:08:56.160" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs, we have the *scratch* buffer or anything else,""" start="00:08:57.660" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but ask them about their note-taking habits""" start="00:09:01.760" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Help them navigate the proprietary software tar pits""" start="00:09:07.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""and help them navigate the proprietary software tar pits.""" start="00:09:07.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We know that anything that is venture-capital funded""" start="00:09:11.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will eventually collapse.""" start="00:09:14.360" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We know that things that don't have a sustainable business model""" start="00:09:16.040" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""without surveillance capitalism""" start="00:09:20.920" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is going to also have problems.""" start="00:09:22.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Encourage folks to think about how they're owning their notes.""" start="00:09:25.300" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Do they place true value on those,""" start="00:09:28.560" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or are they things that are kind of ephemeral?""" start="00:09:30.640" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then help them find the thing that makes sense for them.""" start="00:09:33.120" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Help show the joy of holisting computering""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""Put another way, I want people to think holistically""" start="00:09:38.520" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about their generalized &quot;computering&quot; environment.""" start="00:09:43.240" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Playing is for staying""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""And I also think about the reason why""" start="00:09:47.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've stayed a software developer for 25-years plus""" start="00:09:50.080" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is because I approach all of this as play and storytelling.""" start="00:09:53.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sometimes happy byproduct is that I ship features and documentation""" start="00:09:58.000" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and help people get stuff done.""" start="00:10:02.440" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yet I don't tell folks to use Emacs.""" start="00:10:05.200" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Instead, I'm doing my best to show a myriad of reasons""" start="00:10:07.960" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for why folks should consider Emacs.""" start="00:10:10.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template new="1" text="""Conclusion""" start="00:10:14.900" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

[[!template text="""In conclusion, ask questions.""" start="00:10:14.900" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Find a person who is a VS Coder and just say,""" start="00:10:18.740" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""&quot;hey, I learned something new.&quot;""" start="00:10:22.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We play this game all the time, me and my coworker Kirk.""" start="00:10:23.880" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I love it.""" start="00:10:26.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Another goal is showing the malleability of Emacs,""" start="00:10:27.700" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""how easy it is to extend.""" start="00:10:31.480" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And obviously there's so much more than what I've highlighted,""" start="00:10:34.400" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but then again, that's Emacs.""" start="00:10:36.680" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.""" start="00:10:38.720" video="mainVideo-mentor" id="subtitle"]]



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# Q&A transcript (unedited)

[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: 2 seconds. And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:09.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Hi, Jeremy, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:10.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right. I'm doing all right.""" start="00:00:11.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How about you?""" start="00:00:12.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm doing great as well.""" start="00:00:14.759" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm really happy to see all the talk that""" start="00:00:16.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we're having. And I was particularly excited""" start="00:00:18.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when I got your proposal for this talk""" start="00:00:21.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because mentoring, as I was telling you""" start="00:00:24.080" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""during the check-in process,""" start="00:00:25.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is a subject dear to my heart.""" start="00:00:27.360" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I'm really excited,""" start="00:00:28.700" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not only for the talk that you've just done,""" start="00:00:30.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but also for the question that people are""" start="00:00:32.200" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going to ask you.""" start="00:00:32.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to answering some""" start="00:00:35.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""questions. Mentoring is also something near""" start="00:00:39.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and dear. Something I did not mention is when""" start="00:00:43.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""folks would ask me, like,""" start="00:00:45.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what was your most important class?""" start="00:00:47.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Or I said, oh, easy, easy,""" start="00:00:48.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""easy, high school English.""" start="00:00:50.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Like, it's my whatever your primary written""" start="00:00:54.160" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and spoken languages I think is the most""" start="00:00:56.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""useful skill as a programmer""" start="00:00:58.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: right so as usual people if you want to ask""" start="00:01:05.379" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""questions to Jeremy, feel free to find the""" start="00:01:09.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""link to the other pad either on the talk page""" start="00:01:11.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or on IRC. We're also going to open the chat""" start="00:01:15.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so that people can join us and ask questions.""" start="00:01:17.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Let me just make sure that I tell Sasha can""" start="00:01:20.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you open ID Mentor. All right so in the""" start="00:01:25.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""meantime what we'll do is that I'll be""" start="00:01:27.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""reading questions of the pad and Jeremy will""" start="00:01:29.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be answering them whilst we wait for you to""" start="00:01:31.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""join. Now just to be clear with the time,""" start="00:01:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we have a little bit of time now,""" start="00:01:34.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a little more time than before.""" start="00:01:36.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We have 22 minutes, so until 10 of the next""" start="00:01:39.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hours to answer as many questions as""" start="00:01:41.260" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""possible. And believe me,""" start="00:01:42.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""if you people watching right now are not""" start="00:01:45.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""asking questions, I will be asking plenty of""" start="00:01:47.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""them. So please, save Jeremy from my""" start="00:01:49.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I look forward to it.""" start="00:01:53.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: inquisitive mind. All right.""" start="00:01:55.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Starting with the first question,""" start="00:01:56.960" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a very trivial 1, perhaps,""" start="00:01:59.240" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but always 1 that I ask myself when I look at""" start="00:02:01.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a keyboard. Regarding super key,""" start="00:02:03.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which key do you bind to super?""" start="00:02:05.980" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so my left command,""" start="00:02:09.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is on a Mac keyboard,""" start="00:02:12.180" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so the key right to the left of the space bar""" start="00:02:16.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is super. And the key immediately to the""" start="00:02:20.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""right of spacebar, which is the right command""" start="00:02:23.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""key, is bound to hyper,""" start="00:02:24.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which opens up a whole new suite of keys.""" start="00:02:28.140" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I thought it would take a little bit to""" start="00:02:31.080" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""get used to, but it's been amazing.""" start="00:02:33.160" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So I definitely recommend having a hyper""" start="00:02:37.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""binding.""" start="00:02:38.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I will, yes. I was also going to say super""" start="00:02:42.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""binding. No, it's a hyper binding.""" start="00:02:43.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We already have super.""" start="00:02:44.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's your Windows key or your Linux key or""" start="00:02:47.120" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""whatever you want to call it.""" start="00:02:48.240" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But I will warn people though,""" start="00:02:51.140" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's the gateway into fancy keyboard setups""" start="00:02:57.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because it starts, it's the Trojan horse of""" start="00:03:00.900" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""fancy keyboard setup. Just,""" start="00:03:02.700" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oh I wish I could have another modifier.""" start="00:03:04.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then many years later,""" start="00:03:06.960" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you find yourself with this little thing that""" start="00:03:09.160" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm showing, which is a fully customized QMK""" start="00:03:11.260" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""keyboard.""" start="00:03:12.100" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: All right.""" start="00:03:13.540" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Following on that, then meta is to the left""" start="00:03:18.200" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of super, and then control is to the left of""" start="00:03:21.880" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""meta. And also, caps lock maps to control as""" start="00:03:26.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well. Definitely tried a bunch of tap for""" start="00:03:31.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this and that on a programmable keyboard,""" start="00:03:35.460" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I have settled on keep it simple and use""" start="00:03:39.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""something like carabiner elements to do most""" start="00:03:41.580" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. It's good that you were able to stop""" start="00:03:46.400" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there. I wish I'd stopped there at some point""" start="00:03:48.480" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: of the mapping. It was a terrible moment""" start="00:03:50.940" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where I'm like, oh, what have I done when I""" start="00:03:52.900" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was trying to type once?""" start="00:03:53.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: in my life. All right,""" start="00:03:57.500" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""moving on to the next question.""" start="00:03:58.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Great talk. What's the package you used to""" start="00:04:01.360" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""make the org slide?""" start="00:04:02.120" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: So yeah, it's great. Yeah,""" start="00:04:03.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""so I am using Protz Logos and have,""" start="00:04:13.680" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think, like, Olivet mode.""" start="00:04:15.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'll post a link to the configuration for""" start="00:04:19.959" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""turning it on and off.""" start="00:04:21.019" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But it's basically narrow region to an org""" start="00:04:24.280" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""heading, which is, I find that to be super""" start="00:04:27.940" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""helpful. Don't have to fiddle with it.""" start="00:04:30.300" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right, just to be clear,""" start="00:04:32.900" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's Olivetti, right? I think that's the...""" start="00:04:34.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, Olivetti, yeah.""" start="00:04:36.460" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""to pronounce between Europeans and people in""" start="00:04:42.720" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I had a... For some reason I dropped""" start="00:04:46.080" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the I at the end. So in my head""" start="00:04:48.940" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: the US. Yeah, moving to the next question if""" start="00:04:52.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""people do get interested in picking up emacs""" start="00:04:54.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because of what they see you do How do you""" start="00:04:56.520" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recommend they say they get into it?""" start="00:04:58.260" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Oh""" start="00:04:58.440" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so I've been I think a lot of it comes""" start="00:05:05.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""down to what are the problems that they're""" start="00:05:09.620" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""trying to solve. And so I walked them through""" start="00:05:11.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""my journey. I worked in TextMate for a long""" start="00:05:15.460" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""time, then Sublime, then Atom.""" start="00:05:16.980" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""started writing and I was like,""" start="00:05:37.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""And so I went and I looked for it and I""" start="00:05:43.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""installed the package.""" start="00:05:44.060" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then I got the functionality,""" start="00:05:46.060" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""went back to writing, and I'm like,""" start="00:05:47.960" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""oh, my editor should really be able to do""" start="00:05:49.920" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this. And I thought about it.""" start="00:05:52.000" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So a lot of it came down to the experience of""" start="00:05:55.380" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what they're trying to accomplish.""" start="00:05:56.320" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And really helping ask them that.""" start="00:06:00.900" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I had 1 mentee had used Vim for a long time""" start="00:06:04.600" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then was exploring using Evil Mode and""" start="00:06:07.700" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs and we had conversations and it was""" start="00:06:13.100" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like go back to Vim like you were using VS""" start="00:06:16.840" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""finish. Oh, sorry plasma.""" start="00:22:49.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""They have been so patient.""" start="01:13:21.780" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it was great talking with all of you and""" start="01:13:26.040" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sasha, thanks for the organizing energy""" start="01:13:29.640" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you've put into this. Plasma Strike,""" start="01:13:31.680" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""thank you for your presentation.""" start="01:13:32.800" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I love this conference.""" start="01:13:34.860" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So thank you very much.""" start="01:13:36.660" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And now have a good rest of your Sunday.""" start="01:13:41.760" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Bye.""" start="01:13:43.100" video="qanda-mentor" id="subtitle"]]

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