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[[!template text="""Yes. So, hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:08.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have the pleasure to welcome John Wiegley""" start="00:00:10.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in person to this EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:13.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Hi, John. Hello there.""" start="00:00:15.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""How are you doing, Leo?""" start="00:00:17.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I am doing fantastic, and even more now that""" start="00:00:18.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I am in a room with you because we've been,""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we were reminiscing with Sacha.""" start="00:00:24.279" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So you had been there in person in 2013 And""" start="00:00:25.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""since we started doing those online,""" start="00:00:30.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Juan, since 2019, I think you've always been""" start="00:00:32.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""online, right? Usually it's a pre-recorded""" start="00:00:35.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""video. I think this will be the first 1 I do""" start="00:00:38.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""live in a long time. You're right.""" start="00:00:40.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm saying we are online right now,""" start="00:00:42.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but I just meant pre-recorded video.""" start="00:00:44.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it's good to have you almost in person or""" start="00:00:45.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at least live and we are excited to hear""" start="00:00:48.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about some of the Emacs news.""" start="00:00:50.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So the floor is yours.""" start="00:00:52.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right, well welcome everybody.""" start="00:00:55.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is the yearly state of the Emacs union,""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I guess, about how Emacs development is""" start="00:01:00.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going. Just to note, I am not currently a""" start="00:01:02.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maintainer of Emacs. So what I do to get""" start="00:01:05.379" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""these notes is I call up my friend,""" start="00:01:07.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Eli Zaretsky, 1 of the current Emacs""" start="00:01:09.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""maintainers, and he and I sit down for an""" start="00:01:12.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""hour, and he just gives me his dump of what's""" start="00:01:13.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""been going on. So I'm sort of just the""" start="00:01:17.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""messenger here. But thanks to Eli for these""" start="00:01:19.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""notes and all of the efforts that he""" start="00:01:22.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contributes. So what he's been telling me is""" start="00:01:24.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that this Emacs 29 release that we had""" start="00:01:27.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recently looks to have been very,""" start="00:01:30.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very successful, which is some good news,""" start="00:01:31.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because there were a lot of new features,""" start="00:01:33.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and some of those features were actually""" start="00:01:35.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""quite radical. So far,""" start="00:01:37.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's been quite a success,""" start="00:01:39.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""no serious problems with it,""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and we have Emacs 29.2""" start="00:01:42.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will be released very soon.""" start="00:01:45.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They are thinking now about starting the""" start="00:01:47.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs 30 release cycle soon after 29.2""" start="00:01:50.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is released, where the release branch,""" start="00:01:53.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is called Emacs-30 usually,""" start="00:01:55.880" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will be cut and then development will become""" start="00:01:59.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""frozen with only bug fixes going into that""" start="00:02:01.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""branch. That may take quite some time until""" start="00:02:03.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it actually comes to fruition as a release,""" start="00:02:07.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but at least it means that the release is""" start="00:02:09.639" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going to start taking shape in that branch""" start="00:02:11.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""soon. So, for now, Emacs 30 looks like maybe""" start="00:02:13.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's going to be a little less interesting""" start="00:02:17.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""than Emacs 29 was, meaning not a huge number""" start="00:02:19.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of changing features. But there are still""" start="00:02:23.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some new things going in.""" start="00:02:25.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""have Android support. So you will be able to""" start="00:02:29.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""run Emacs 30 on your Android devices.""" start="00:02:32.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So if you've ever wanted to have native Emacs""" start="00:02:35.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on a tablet, which I know I've always wanted,""" start="00:02:37.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that will become possible with Emacs 30.""" start="00:02:40.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's also going to be much better support""" start="00:02:43.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for touchscreen devices,""" start="00:02:45.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""coincidentally, both laptops and tablets.""" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So that'll enhance that Android support.""" start="00:02:50.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There will be some recently gained support""" start="00:02:54.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for LLDB in GUD.dl. So if you're on a Mac OS""" start="00:02:57.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""machine or a machine that uses just LLVM as""" start="00:03:01.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""part of the compilation process,""" start="00:03:05.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""then you probably are familiar with LLDB as""" start="00:03:07.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the command line debugger.""" start="00:03:10.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And that support for using LLDB through a GUD""" start="00:03:11.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will become possible in Emacs 30.""" start="00:03:15.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm looking forward to this actually quite a""" start="00:03:17.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""bit as well. C Perl mode is being deprecated,""" start="00:03:19.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and all future work now is only being put""" start="00:03:23.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""towards C Perl mode. Another 1 is that there""" start="00:03:25.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""are going to be some new major modes based on""" start="00:03:30.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""TreeSitter. They will be for the languages""" start="00:03:33.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:03:35.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And if you're not familiar,""" start="00:03:38.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think TreeSitter was introduced in Emacs""" start="00:03:40.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""29. It's a library that allows you to specify""" start="00:03:42.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the grammar of a programming language as a""" start="00:03:47.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""BNF file, and I think using JavaScript,""" start="00:03:49.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and then with that file as input to Emacs,""" start="00:03:53.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it is then able to do syntax highlighting,""" start="00:03:56.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""syntax discovery, all of those things within""" start="00:04:00.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs without having to use elisp and regexps""" start="00:04:03.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to discover the structure of the language.""" start="00:04:06.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It defers the structure gathering to""" start="00:04:08.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""TreeSitter and then uses that information to""" start="00:04:10.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""navigate the language.""" start="00:04:13.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So, As time goes on, you'll see more and more""" start="00:04:15.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""languages taking on TreeSetter support.""" start="00:04:17.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So the next 3 coming up,""" start="00:04:19.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:04:21.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then the last feature for Emacs 30 is""" start="00:04:24.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that the byte compiler will now detect and""" start="00:04:26.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""warn about many more questionable constructs.""" start="00:04:29.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Things like empty macro bodies,""" start="00:04:33.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""missing lexical constructs,""" start="00:04:35.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""or say, condition case without any handlers.""" start="00:04:37.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just silly stuff that might litter the code,""" start="00:04:40.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but now you'll get a warning about it from""" start="00:04:43.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the byte compiler to help you clean up the""" start="00:04:45.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""code and get rid of those potential sites of""" start="00:04:46.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""error. So this is the main thing that will be""" start="00:04:49.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""worked on for Emacs 30 and what's looked like""" start="00:04:52.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""shaping up for the release.""" start="00:04:55.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And also, he wanted me to announce that""" start="00:04:56.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Stefan Kongas is now a new co-maintainer.""" start="00:04:58.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And Stefan is, I believe,""" start="00:05:01.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""here with us in the conference and he'll be""" start="00:05:03.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""able, I hope, to help me answer any questions""" start="00:05:05.500" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about future Emacs development because I'm""" start="00:05:08.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not in the heat of it and don't have all""" start="00:05:10.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""those answers at the moment.""" start="00:05:12.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So That is all there is as far as a""" start="00:05:14.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""development update for now.""" start="00:05:17.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And I am available to take any questions.""" start="00:05:19.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right. Thank you so much,""" start="00:05:24.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sean, for being the messenger of all this""" start="00:05:26.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""good news. I mean, you did start by saying""" start="00:05:29.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this would not be as exciting,""" start="00:05:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""perhaps, as prior releases of Emacs,""" start="00:05:33.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but you then proceeded to say a lot of stuff""" start="00:05:36.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""So good, good. Glad to hear that.""" start="00:05:40.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Right. So we do have questions coming in""" start="00:05:44.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""already and again people the link is on IRC""" start="00:05:47.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and also on the talks page if you want to""" start="00:05:50.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""start asking questions.""" start="00:05:52.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So John what I'm going to do I'm going to""" start="00:05:53.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""question which changes in recent Emacs""" start="00:06:01.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""releases are you enjoying using?""" start="00:06:04.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I have really liked the visual line mode.""" start="00:06:08.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm not sure how recent that is.""" start="00:06:13.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""quite late, the new display line number""" start="00:06:16.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functionality, where it's much,""" start="00:06:19.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Emacs. I use GNU's, I use E-Shell,""" start="00:06:29.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I use Org Mode quite a lot.""" start="00:06:31.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So native compilation has brought the user""" start="00:06:33.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""experience much closer to a modern app than""" start="00:06:36.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""some of the lagging and slowness that I might""" start="00:06:39.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have experienced in the past.""" start="00:06:42.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the next question.""" start="00:06:44.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""What do you think the future in the area of""" start="00:06:47.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""artificial intelligence from the developer""" start="00:06:49.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""point of view? Could you say that 1 more""" start="00:06:51.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""time? Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:53.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""developer point of view?""" start="00:06:55.141" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Could you say that 1 more time?""" start="00:06:55.208" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Your voice broke up a little bit.""" start="00:06:55.324" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. What do you think the future in""" start="00:06:55.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the area of artificial intelligence from the""" start="00:06:58.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""developer point of view?""" start="00:07:00.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I think, but you get the point.""" start="00:07:02.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I do use chat-gpt-shell inside of Emacs quite""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a bit, actually, when doing development in""" start="00:07:09.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""other languages. Just the other day,""" start="00:07:10.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I was working on my Ledger accounting""" start="00:07:12.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""program, and I haven't done a lot of C++ in""" start="00:07:15.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recent years. So I had forgotten how to""" start="00:07:18.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""exactly compare 2 strings only up to the""" start="00:07:21.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""length of the shortest string.""" start="00:07:23.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I know I could have cranked that out just""" start="00:07:25.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""writing it C style, but I didn't remember""" start="00:07:26.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""what the current state of the art is for C++""" start="00:07:28.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and the STL. So I just asked chatGPT.""" start="00:07:30.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I asked the exact question that I just said""" start="00:07:33.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to you and sure enough it popped out the""" start="00:07:36.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""one-liner that was exactly what I needed.""" start="00:07:38.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I don't know if other people are familiar""" start="00:07:47.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with Rosetta Stone projects.""" start="00:07:49.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""They're projects where you have say a hundred""" start="00:07:51.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""different languages and there's a particular""" start="00:07:53.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""question, say, how do I read a file and copy""" start="00:07:55.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it to another location?""" start="00:07:58.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""activity for every 1 of those languages.""" start="00:08:01.880" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's a great database,""" start="00:08:04.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I've used them quite a bit in the past""" start="00:08:05.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for remembering how to do certain things,""" start="00:08:07.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""say, converting a string to UTF-8.""" start="00:08:09.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think that AI does a great job of""" start="00:08:13.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""like that because you can just ask how do I""" start="00:08:17.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""copy a convert a string to UTF-8.""" start="00:08:19.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Yeah exactly and you know especially with""" start="00:08:23.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""languages which are tried well tried you know""" start="00:08:27.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it's very easy to get an answer that is""" start="00:08:30.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""correct. But sometimes what I find bothersome""" start="00:08:32.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""with this type of coding,""" start="00:08:34.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I think it's AI-aided coding,""" start="00:08:37.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""sometimes you're going to end up with""" start="00:08:43.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""undefined behaviors and stuff like this just""" start="00:08:44.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because other people have been doing it,""" start="00:08:45.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""not because the algorithm or the model was""" start="00:08:47.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""trained with data that dates back to 10 years""" start="00:08:50.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ago. At the time, C++ was a little different.""" start="00:08:53.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""you are here to talk. Moving on to the next""" start="00:09:01.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""question. People already get to hear my voice""" start="00:09:03.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""plenty, whereas yours are much sparser.""" start="00:09:06.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""macOS? I understand that there are too few""" start="00:09:13.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""developers for the platform.""" start="00:09:16.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Is that still true? That's a good question.""" start="00:09:17.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I don't know what the current statistics are.""" start="00:09:21.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've been a user of Emacs on Mac OS for""" start="00:09:23.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""decades now. It feels like the,""" start="00:09:27.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There's also that Mac port version of Emacs,""" start="00:09:30.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which builds Emacs more directly using the""" start="00:09:33.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""GUI libraries on the platform.""" start="00:09:35.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That continues to be updated with every""" start="00:09:38.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""single new release that comes out.""" start="00:09:40.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""but to this day I haven't suffered from being""" start="00:09:47.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""about Emacs on macOS was that emojis made it""" start="00:09:55.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inside the GUI first before they did it""" start="00:10:00.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""anywhere else. That's the 1 anecdote that I""" start="00:10:03.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have on MacOS. Right. And historically that""" start="00:10:05.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""feature was removed in order to prevent Mac""" start="00:10:09.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""from having features that Linux did not.""" start="00:10:12.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I didn't want to go into that point.""" start="00:10:15.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I just wanted to mention the beginning of the""" start="00:10:16.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""anecdote and people can find it out.""" start="00:10:18.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yes, that's also what it led to.""" start="00:10:19.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Moving on to the next question.""" start="00:10:24.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Why aren't you contributing to Emacs anymore?""" start="00:10:25.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lack of time, I guess?""" start="00:10:28.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lack of time, primarily.""" start="00:10:30.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Work has been very consuming.""" start="00:10:32.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""There are a lot of other projects and things""" start="00:10:33.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that I like doing. I still find Emacs Lisp""" start="00:10:36.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""very, very fun to write.""" start="00:10:39.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just the other day, I was hacking up some""" start="00:10:40.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extension macros for myself for org mode.""" start="00:10:43.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But to have the time needed to sit down and""" start="00:10:45.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""design a whole new mode and work on it.""" start="00:10:48.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I've been spending a lot of my time now in""" start="00:10:51.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functional languages, especially theorem""" start="00:10:53.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""provers. I just find that so intellectually""" start="00:10:55.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""satisfying and interesting.""" start="00:10:58.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Plus it pays a lot better.""" start="00:11:00.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Never had a paying job as an Emacs list""" start="00:11:01.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""developer. So when it comes to now just being""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a fun language or a hobby language,""" start="00:11:06.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it is relegated to the time that I have free""" start="00:11:08.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when it's available. Right.""" start="00:11:10.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Well, the good thing is that it's kind of""" start="00:11:13.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""like riding a bicycle,""" start="00:11:15.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""you know, writing a major mode,""" start="00:11:16.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it comes back relatively quickly and still""" start="00:11:17.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""enjoyable. You know, the other day,""" start="00:11:20.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""wanted to write. There's an app I use on the""" start="00:11:25.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Mac called drafts, and I really love it.""" start="00:11:28.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I use it all the time.""" start="00:11:30.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I wanted to mimic the interface of this app""" start="00:11:31.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Emacs. So I could use Emacs as my drafts""" start="00:11:34.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""application rather than this separate 1.""" start="00:11:37.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""parameters and how it should function and""" start="00:11:42.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""everything to describe the app to myself as""" start="00:11:44.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""sort of notes to get me started on that work""" start="00:11:47.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""when I did have free time to work on it.""" start="00:11:50.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Somebody out there on the internet just saw""" start="00:11:52.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""on GitHub. They fed it to chat GPT,""" start="00:11:57.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going back to your AI question.""" start="00:12:00.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""which was effectively,""" start="00:12:06.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""code that I would have wanted to write.""" start="00:12:14.500" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""is it can increase the value,""" start="00:12:19.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the efficiency of my free time.""" start="00:12:21.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""obviously, that you're mobilizing into the""" start="00:12:31.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""design that you're formulating to charge DPT,""" start="00:12:33.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""something that actually works.""" start="00:12:37.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Perhaps we're all going to become software""" start="00:12:40.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""AI. That's an interesting future where we""" start="00:12:48.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""know what is code, I suppose.""" start="00:12:55.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""A fairly long question.""" start="00:13:00.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So 1 of the tricky things about running Emacs""" start="00:13:02.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on Android is do you use anything that""" start="00:13:04.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""requires extra packages?""" start="00:13:06.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""with a database, playing music or video with""" start="00:13:11.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""MPD or MPV on Bonga, LFeed.""" start="00:13:13.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Do you run Emacs Termex,""" start="00:13:16.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs APK, Emacs in virtual machine?""" start="00:13:18.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is also the case on Emacs for Windows to""" start="00:13:20.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""usually find on Linux systems like MPV and""" start="00:13:30.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""all the fancy applications like this?""" start="00:13:32.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""It's a good question. Since I'm not an""" start="00:13:35.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Android user and I've never tried running""" start="00:13:38.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs on Android platforms,""" start="00:13:40.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm not sure what's available out there to""" start="00:13:42.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""plug Emacs into. I mean,""" start="00:13:44.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""effectively, that question comes down to""" start="00:13:46.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""external dependencies and system support.""" start="00:13:48.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That would be a great question for Stefan or""" start="00:13:50.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""somebody who has tried using Emacs,""" start="00:13:53.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the development version of Emacs on Android.""" start="00:13:56.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Great. We'll put a pin in this for Stéphane""" start="00:14:00.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""question. Will Org Tech someday become the""" start="00:14:07.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""default tech mode in Emacs?""" start="00:14:09.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I do not know. It's been a while since I've""" start="00:14:19.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""done LaTeX. It must have been like 4 years,""" start="00:14:24.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Melpa compared to core but you know it""" start="00:15:54.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""could be a little different you know And it""" start="00:15:59.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""feels like there's this repetition between""" start="00:16:02.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""repartition, sorry, between people developing""" start="00:16:04.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""on Melpa, but at the end of the day those 2""" start="00:16:08.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""with releases Correct.""" start="00:16:27.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Just because it's distributed with Emacs so""" start="00:16:29.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""there is a difference between being in the""" start="00:16:32.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""it's really necessary to be in the core.""" start="00:16:40.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But for something like major mode,""" start="00:16:42.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""point. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that""" start="00:16:48.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""question do you happen to remember okay""" start="00:17:03.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that's fine I lost her to lost to their time""" start="00:17:08.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""know The whole point of this discussion is""" start="00:17:17.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for you to ask questions to John Wheatley.""" start="00:17:19.619" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""BBB, choose your weapon.""" start="00:17:23.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right, moving on to the next question in""" start="00:17:27.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""left of Q&A and then we'll be moving on to""" start="00:17:30.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I've used Emacs for working with ACL 2,""" start="00:17:46.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""be working in. Agda has really great support""" start="00:17:55.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""my co-workers were using and it was easier to""" start="00:18:19.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""share tips and tricks with them.""" start="00:18:22.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""But yeah, no, I found Emacs to be a great""" start="00:18:24.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""home for doing theorem proving.""" start="00:18:28.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""before about the draft that you then fed into""" start="00:18:40.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""ChargPT? Do you happen to have this draft""" start="00:18:43.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""anywhere? Let me see if it's still on GitHub.""" start="00:18:45.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""remember where I made the note.""" start="00:18:59.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""on the talks page. And I think we would all""" start="00:19:17.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be interested to see what this design""" start="00:19:20.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""document that actually made something work""" start="00:19:22.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""afterwards in JudgeDPT with Elisp.""" start="00:19:27.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""because I tend to be very interested about""" start="00:19:30.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this type of stuff I had generated but I""" start="00:19:32.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""never thought about doing it with Elisp""" start="00:19:34.780" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""because somehow it feels like 2 different""" start="00:19:37.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""every day But it's 2 different parts of my""" start="00:19:44.140" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""brain that I didn't think about linking.""" start="00:19:46.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Moving on to the next question.""" start="00:19:53.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Oh, go on, please. I did find it.""" start="00:19:54.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I'm gonna have to give it to you as a link""" start="00:19:57.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""here. Sure, you can do it on the blue button""" start="00:20:01.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and I'll put it on the pad.""" start="00:20:03.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""I put it into the public chat for Bibi.""" start="00:20:10.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I'm putting it right in the answer to the""" start="00:20:15.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I'm kind of curious, so I'm gonna...""" start="00:20:22.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Can I click it on stream and can we look at""" start="00:20:23.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""it a little bit together?""" start="00:20:25.560" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Sure, sure. I haven't tried running it,""" start="00:20:26.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""but it's definitely enough of the groundwork""" start="00:20:31.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Right. Okay, so it's loading up right now?""" start="00:20:38.100" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""You can see my webcam,""" start="00:20:41.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""load. There we go. Okay,""" start="00:20:45.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""The reactive setup is not working too well.""" start="00:20:51.460" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""I see. Can I see the file then?""" start="00:20:59.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""comment it would make it clear.""" start="00:21:11.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""drop the use of this external application.""" start="00:22:18.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""continue this with Stéphane.""" start="00:22:58.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Stéphane speak. Okay, great.""" start="00:23:03.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""potentially, to having you again next year,""" start="00:23:07.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""potentially still doing news like this,""" start="00:23:10.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""and, fingers crossed, maybe having you live""" start="00:23:12.980" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""again. Maybe, maybe let's see what happens.""" start="00:23:15.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""All right, John. Thank you so much.""" start="00:23:19.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]]
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