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NOTE Introduction
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Hello and welcome everyone on EmacsConf 2023.
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I'm Andrew Tropin.
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I work on operating systems and programming languages.
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Today, we discuss Lisps, Schemes, REPLs,
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interactive development,
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and how to make your own cozy development environment.
NOTE Interactive development
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Let's start from interactive development.
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Lisps are famous for a nice
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Interactive Development Experience.
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They have REPLs.
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Emacs Lisp has its own Lisp machine,
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and a lot of cool IDE with different functionality
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is already here and providing
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a nice and pleasant experience.
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The question is, is it enough?
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In most cases, yes, but for some languages,
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we have some white spaces, some missing pieces.
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And for example, in Scheme world,
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we already have a few tools.
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We have REPL, we have integration for REPL in Emacs,
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but is it enough?
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Let's see.
NOTE REPL: Read Eval Print Loop
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We know that Emacs is very good for Lisps and REPL.
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Lisp and Emacs should be a perfect setup.
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But let's see how REPL basically works.
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It's an event loop which does three things.
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It reads an expression, it evaluates the expression,
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and it prints the result.
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We can take a simple expression, input it into REPL,
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and evaluate it and see the result.
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Very nice, very convenient.
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You can experiment and see immediately what is happening.
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You can even run a long-running process
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which does something.
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You can interrupt it and everything will be okay.
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But the problem appears
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when you start to develop a bigger project.
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And in most cases, you don't do
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your whole development in REPL.
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You do only a small part of it.
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In most cases, you just write
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the source code in text files,
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and after that, you run those snippets of code
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from those text files, or run the whole project.
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It's not very convenient to copy and paste
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every time the snippets of code to the REPL,
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see the result, modify the snippet of code,
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copy it again, and so on.
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So people invented some integration
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between REPL and your text editor.
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So you can evaluate expressions inside your text editor
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and see the result here.
NOTE Long-lasting loops
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Works good so far, but what happens
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if we run a long-lasting loop,
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which does a lot of operations.
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As you can see here with a simple example,
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the output of the function,
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stdout of the function is presented here,
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and the resulting value is here.
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If you run a long-running process,
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you don't see anything happening.
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And you see there's a watch instead of my cursor.
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Maybe you don't see it, but nothing actually happens,
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at least from the point of view of the user.
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But if we interrupt the evaluation,
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we will see that some process in the background
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was launched, but we didn't see anything.
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Because the REPL is a single-threaded blocking process,
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which reads stdin and prints stdout,
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make the integration
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between the REPL and your text editor
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is not an easy task.
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And even if you do it,
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you have a lot of downsides, usually.
NOTE Not interruptible
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First of all, the process is not interruptible.
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If you have a remote process which listens on the socket
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to which you connect from your development environment,
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and you run some infinite loop, for example,
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you can't interrupt it.
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Because interruption is done via signals,
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and signals to remote processes are not usually
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the thing in such integrations.
NOT Output is not interactive
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Output is also not interactive.
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Usually, for example, here you can see
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when I evaluate the expression,
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the output is captured on the evaluation side,
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and after that, after the whole evaluation
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of the whole expression finished,
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I get the result, all the stdout at once.
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And if I run the process which evaluates for 5 seconds,
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I will see the first signs of the life
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only after 5 seconds of evaluation.
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Okay, what else?
NOTE No protocol
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When you do such integrations, you have no protocol,
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you have just stdin and stdout.
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You print to stdin from your text editor.
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You read from stdout of the process.
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It's hard to tell if evaluation is finished,
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if it requires stdin, and how to extend the REPL
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to make it more featureful, and so on.
NOTE Not scalable
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And also, such integrations are usually not very scalable.
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For example, if you want to have a completion,
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you type something, you have the completion. Cool.
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But if you run the process and at the same time
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try to have a completion, you don't have it,
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because the evaluation is in progress,
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and you can't calculate the completion candidates
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at the same time. To make it more obvious,
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I will start a completion here.
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You see the completion pop-ups.
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I start the evaluation process,
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and when I try to complete something,
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the evaluation freezes and there is no completion.
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Not very convenient.
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Usually, you have some long-running processes
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and you want them to continue while you have
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your go to definition, completion, and other things.
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Overall, those issues make it quite inconvenient
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to integrate REPL in text editors or development environments,
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so you need something else
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to make the work comfortable.
NOTE nREPL
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There is already a solution called nREPL.
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It's a synchronous protocol which allows
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to send operations to the server
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and receive responses in a synchronous manner.
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And here is a simple example of a few operations.
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First one is cloning the existing session,
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and as a response you will get a new session.
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Also you send the evaluation request with code
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that you want to evaluate, and you get two responses.
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First one says that output is captured
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and it's equal to "hi\n",
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and after that, you receive an "Evaluation completed",
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the value of this expression.
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This protocol was developed
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for CIDER development environment.
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It's a Clojure development environment for Emacs.
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It's very cool, featureful, reliable,
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and I would say production-ready.
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A lot of professional Clojure developers use it.
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The nREPL protocol is very simple.
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It has a few operations out of the box,
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and you can extend it with any arbitrary operation you want.
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I work a lot on Guix codebase and other Scheme projects,
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so the experience I had previously with nREPL
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was not satisfying. I decided
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to just implement nREPL protocol.
NOTE Arei, Ares, and how to try
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First of all, I implemented nREPL server in Guile.
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I called it `guile-ares-rs`, and used it
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with a generic nREPL client for Emacs.
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It worked.
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It had some rough edges, but overall it was okay.
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And after that, to add more features
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to make the implementation more complete,
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I wrote my own nREPL client for Emacs and called it `arei`.
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And I got almost complete Guile IDE in two months.
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So `ares-rs` is nREPL server implementation.
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`arei` is Emacs client, which uses the same nREPL protocol.
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It utilizes `sesman` package for managing sessions,
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the association of buffers with nREPL connection.
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It has some roots.
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The implementation has some roots
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in Geiser, CIDER, Monroe, and Rail.
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I took small snippets for some parts of functionality.
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I used the CAPF and xref infrastructure
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for completion at point and cross-reference capabilities.
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And by the time of conference, I hope
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that README will be complete enough
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so you will be able to try it yourself.
NOTE Demo
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Let's see what is possible with it already.
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Let's connect to nREPL server.
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After that, you can evaluate the expression.
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And you see the stdout and the result.
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Very nice, very convenient.
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You have different expression, you evaluate it,
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you get the value of the evaluation.
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You can run an infinite loop
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which prints to stderr and stdout
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and you see all necessary stuff.
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Very cool.
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But also, you can interrupt the evaluation,
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which is very convenient if you accidentally
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run an infinite loop.
NOTE Continuations
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Also, do you remember here we have a few more examples
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that we didn't try yet?
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For example, on usual REPL implementation,
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if I evaluate this expression, I get return value.
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I make a continuation and save it to this variable
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and I try to call this evaluation
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and I get an exception,
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because the environment in which this continuation
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was created was different and it has redefined
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stdout and stderr to capture it.
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But when I run it one more time,
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when I resume the continuation,
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the environment changed and it doesn't work.
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What happens in `arei`?
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I define continuation, I save the continuation
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for the simple expression
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and I resume the continuation with a new argument,
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and you can see at the top of the screen
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that it works perfectly fine.
NOTE Reading from stdin
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Also, with a usual REPL implementation,
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let's see what happens when we have a process
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which reads from stdin.
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I evaluate the expression and nothing visible happens.
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I can try to type `C-g`, `C-c`,
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and after some time it will say user interrupt.
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What actually I expect in such a case
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to have a minibuffer which prompts me for the input.
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When I evaluate the same expression in the `arei`,
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you see the prompt at the minibuffer
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and here I can tell, "Hello I'm a message from minibuffer".
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Cool. You will see that this message is printed to stdout,
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and unspecified was returned
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as a result of this expression.
NOTE Fancy example with continuations
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Let's make some fancy example with continuations.
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Continuations is a very cool mechanism
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which is not the topic of today's talk,
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but you can find a lot of interesting information
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in Scheme documentation or in related books,
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and I advise you to do it because it's really nice thing
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that is actually applicable
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in many different programming languages.
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Here you can see the infinite loop
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which just prints values increasing one by one.
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And here we save a continuation on each iteration.
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I can call the continuation
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and it will resume from the previous saved step.
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And you can see, it resumed from the same step
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we interrupted earlier, but we provided a new value for it.
another value for it.
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We can provide another value
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and it resumed from the same spot it was saved earlier.
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But I also can provide a `read-i` value
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and if I provide `read-i` value,
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the infinite loop will read the input from stdin
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and will continue the evaluation
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with a different `i` provided in this input.
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So let's try to type some arbitrary value
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and you see that the loop continued with this value.
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Very nice.
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And every time we could easily interrupt it.
NOTE Guix API
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Okay, what most annoying thing that I had previously
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with the usual REPL implementation
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that I have a quite nice Guix API
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where I can build packages, systems and other stuff.
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But if I evaluate this expression, I will get an error.
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Okay. I will get an error
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because I don't have an appropriate environment.
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But what I can do, I can connect to the remote REPL
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by creating a server with `guix repl --listen` command
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and connecting to it with `geiser-connect` command.
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And now I can evaluate this expression.
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Right?
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Wow.
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Okay.
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It actually doesn't matter for my example.
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I will explain how it doesn't work easily.
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This is a long-running process which prints something
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and it can take up to a few minutes.
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And for the whole few minutes I don't see any results,
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the same as with this infinite loop which prints to stdout
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but I don't see anything interactively.
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With `arei`, I can run
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the evaluation of the same expression,
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and you will see instantly
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that stdout is presented here in slightly yellowish color.
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I can interrupt the evaluation
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if I don't want to wait until it's finished,
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and just after that, I can evaluate another value.
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So that's cool.
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And let's see one more thing.
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We have an infinite loop and we have some completion here.
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And completion still works,
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very nice,
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while the infinite loop is running.
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Okay.
NOTE Support
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Actually it took me around two months
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of full-time work funded by my own savings,
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and you can support and help to the project
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using OpenCollective or by contributing on SourceHut.
NOTE Future steps - Multiple simultaneous evaluations in different contexts
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The future steps for the project
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include an experimental workflow where you have
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multiple simultaneous evaluation in different contexts.
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For example, you have Fibers, you have Goblins,
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you have some HTTP server or some other thing,
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and you want to run all of them independently
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in slightly isolated sessions,
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and you want to have the ability
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to still interact with them.
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For example, if they require standard input
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or something else, you want to be able to provide it.
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You want to see the stderr and stdout
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of those long-running processes and so on.
NOTE Tree-sitter integration
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The second thing is tree-sitter integration
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for better syntax highlighting, code navigation,
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and other features.
NOTE Full-fledged debugger
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And after that, probably we will do a full-fledged debugger
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so you can jump expressions one by one
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and see the results and see some intermediate values
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during the evaluation.
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And it's very possible
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because nREPL is a very extensible protocol
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and you can implement
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whatever you want on top of it.
NOTE FAQ - Does it support other Scheme implementations?
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I will answer two probably very frequent questions.
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Does it support other Scheme implementations?
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At the moment, it doesn't,
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but the Scheme implementation is not restricted.
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You have a server which is implemented in your language
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and you have a client--in our case, `arei`--
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which communicates with this protocol.
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So if you implement nREPL server in a different language,
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it should work with already implemented `arei` client.
NOTE Is it possible to use it with other text editors?
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And is it possible to use the same functionality
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in other text editors, for example in VS Code,
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Vim, whatever?
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Yes, it's possible and the case is similar here.
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You have already implemented nREPL server
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and you can write your own nREPL client
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in a different text editor and it will work.
NOTE Conclusion
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I would like to thank the authors and maintainers
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and contributors of Guile, Geiser, CIDER, Clojure,
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and Emacs, and all other people
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who are somehow related to the work on those projects
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involved in this talk.
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And I hope the Scheme programming will be enjoyable.
NOTE Contacts
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If you want to contact me,
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join #tropin IRC channel at libera.chat,
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or drop me a message via email or feediverse
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using `andrew@trop.in` handle.
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I will see you in a bit in Q&A session.
