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That's how I came into this.

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Finally, the next big thing was starting

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2005, I went fully Linux and then for Mac OS,

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and I switched to vanilla self-compiled

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versions of Emacs. So what do I want to show?

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Couple of time ago in the development list

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there was a short exchange about the nil and

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the flood button, flood button button styles,

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saying that it was equivalent and they are

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not. So instead of starting a Flame Wars,

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I thought it was better to go and publicize

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the goodies you get with Flood Button.

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And this is what I'm going to be showing you

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practically. Why Flood Button?

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2005, more or less, I came across DOOM Emacs,

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which was nice. And I,

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especially I liked the DOOM mode line,

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which was, I think it is,

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it is, and it was cool at that time.

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I was using other themes and it was not that

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easy to adapt for these other themes and even

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less when you are in an environment with

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dynamic themes like mine because I tend to

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adapt the theme to the light conditions in my

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working place. So what I did at the end was

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coming up with a style for faces called flood

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button for boxes, called flood button as a

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simple way to get modern looking buttons and

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bars. So flood button is a face style for

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boxes within buttons that automatically sets

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the border color to the background of the

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face, as opposed to nil,

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which uses the foreground.

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And this produces a very doom mode line-ish

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look and feel. And if you want to know where

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I use it, basically for the mode line and I'm

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using tab line for a long time now.

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So for the mode line and for tab line to

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organize my windows. And since an image is

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worth more than a thousand words,

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I'm just going to stop this and start sharing

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a small Emacs environment I have ready for

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this talk where I'm going to show you a flat

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button in real life. So if you hold with me,

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I'm going to share a window.

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It's going to be this 1.

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Share and share. Here we are.

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And share. Here we are.

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So this is an Emacs which is recent,

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reasonably recent. Nothing especially it was

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compiled, it's Emacs 30.

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And I think what I have here is something

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that I compiled last weekend.

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I was tempted to use something compiled this

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morning, but I saw a patch by Ellie regarding

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something in the faces and I didn't want to

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live a too risky life here,

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so I'm going to use this.

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I'm not starting the ZMAC from the normal

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Emacs directory. I have my own,

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I have a special customization directory for

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Emacs, and this is this 1.

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And here what I have is basically an early

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init and an init. So the early init,

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which is quite stupid as you see,

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the only thing that it does is getting rid of

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most of the things that I'm not going to be

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using here. So I have no toolbar,

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no scroll bar, no tool tips.

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I don't like global highlighting my line art,

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so I'm not using that.

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I'm not using dialogues.

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And to start up easier,

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I don't inhibit, I don't use any startups

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screen. So just to make sure that everything

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is correct, that everything is as I want,

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just to show you my Emacs.

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As you see the Emacs 30,

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which was built on the 26th of November which

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was not very long ago.

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And now here comes the real magic.

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My init and my init file.

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Maybe I go to my init file here.

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What I have is just a variable saying that I

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want an extra 8 pixels for my mode line.

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And I have 2 functions.

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1 is modifying the mode line,

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both the active and the inactive,

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using the nil style with this line width of 8

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pixels and to compare with it what I have

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here is another function which will customize

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the face for mode line and instead of using

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nil I'm using here flat button.

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So this is my all the magic that I need.

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I'm going to copy that and I'm going to go to

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the scratch buffer which is always the best

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way of checking these things.

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When I normally work with themes,

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what I do is if I want to further modify the

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themes, I add an advice to load a theme after

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the theme is loaded. In this first case,

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what I'm going to be doing is adding the nil

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sign so that you can see it.

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And once this is done,

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I'm going to load 1 of the Modo Soprandi

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themes, the tinted 1. Here we are.

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And as you can see, when I loaded the theme,

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what I see here is my mode line with the

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x-ray pixels using since I'm using the nil

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style it's using the background color and

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this gives you this thick black line there

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furthermore if you have the inactive line you

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see that it is grayed out so it's always

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using the foreground color.

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So now what I'm going to do is to load the

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models we have any which is the dark theme

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and this case what you see is the love deal

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the lines always using the foreground color

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use the Give you an extra 8 pixels of a white

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color here, which is not what we really want.

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At least not what I wanted to have.

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So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to

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remove this advice and add the flat style

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thing, flat style function,

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so that we're going to do the same.

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But now when I load the themes I'm going to

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have a flat button style for the mode line

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and you'll see the difference.

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So if I now load Modo Software Andy theme,

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tint it, what I get here is as you see I get

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a solid mode line which is a bit more which

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is wider than the normal mode line And if I

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go to the dark theme, I am going to see,

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you're going to see that now the theme

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changes and I have a mode line which is,

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if not the doom mode line,

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quite close to the Doom mode line.

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Where do I use this? Personally,

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I use it for the mode line and for the tab

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line, as I've said. And it gives me this

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clean themes with thicker mode line and tab

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lines which at least in my personal feeling

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look quite modern. And this will be my

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demonstration. So I'm going to stop sharing

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the screen and I'm going to try and see if

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there's anything on the on the chat.

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And I just wanted to know if there are any

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questions. Thank you Pedro.

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Yeah We are now into the Q&A portion of the

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talk. So if folks have questions,

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please post them on IRC or on the pad and

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we'll take them up here.

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Okay, I see a question here saying,

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do you plan to upstream the style into

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core-remix? It's part of core-remix since

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Emacs 29, so you have it.

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How difficult to...I mean,

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you already have the flat button style in

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Core Remax. And you've seen that the main

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thing is, if you want to have a thing like

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that, you just have to customize the face.

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I don't think it's too difficult to do.

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It's adding the style that you want.

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So if you want to see it again,

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I'm going to go and share the screen once

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again and show you the only thing that you

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really need to do. And control X 1,

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control X buffer to init.

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So this is what you would have to do to get

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your mode line or mode line inactive with a

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flat button style. So what you do is you get

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your face like this, the face that you want

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to modify. You say that you inherit from the

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original face and what you do is that you add

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a box with the line width that you want and

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the style plug button.

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I don't think it's too difficult to do.

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How much work was involved in implementing

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this style? It is not 1 of the biggest

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patches you have in Emacs.

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It was my first patch,

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so it was like 20 liners.

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It's not too much. Yes,

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I am going to go and...

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Oops. SKB and... There you are.

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And there you are. I've checked it for copy

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and paste. Of course, then what you have to

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do is to add an advice and add this thing

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after the add this code after the well after

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you've loaded the theme.

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It says, ModeLine and ModeLineInactive.

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I'm also using it for TabLine and

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TabLineInactive and all this kind of things.

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Thanks.

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Thanks. Any other questions?

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Reactions? Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay, I think we still have about 6 or 7 more

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minutes of live Q&A on stream,

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so if folks have any more questions,

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please do feel free to post them on the pad.

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Silence. Silence. Silence.

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Well, do you teach eMAX to any of your

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university students? As such,

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there's no course that we teach,

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but in tutorships and in tutoring sessions,

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when we do practical things,

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and I do a lot, I tend to use Emacs for all

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the tasks so that the students get involved

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in it. I also have a small introduction to

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Emacs that I share with my students.

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So So every year I have 2 or 3 new adepts.

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We have a question on IRC.

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Someone asking can you please show what the

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tab line looks like? Just a second.

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This would be like this.

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For that I'm going to use my regular Emacs.

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Just my my regular emacs so just let me fire

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it up. Sure.

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And

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That's my current situation with the tab

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line. I do have a couple of functions.

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So this is 1 of the things that I use.

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As you see, both the tab line here and the

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mode line change. And the other thing is I

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can, this is for some situations,

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not currently because it's just later,

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it's a bit too dark. But this is for light

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days. I have like 3 or 4 themes that I can

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switch to these are the themes that I

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normally use This is how the tab line looks.

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This is how the tab line here looks with the

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with a flat button style.

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Looks great, Thank you for sharing.

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You're welcome.

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Okay, I think we have 2 or 3 more minutes.

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So if folks, if you have any final questions

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for Pedro, please post them in.

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Okay. Okay.

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Okay.

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No further questions. Yeah,

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it seems we don't have any further questions.

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Just another audience member also thanking

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you on the chat. So with that,

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I'll say Thank you very much,

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Pedro, for your great talk and for the Q&A,

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for your work and for helping spreading the

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joy of Emacs. Okay, thanks.

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Thank you. Bye-bye. It was a nice experience

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here. Very nice tool. Cheers.

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Awesome. Take care. Bye.

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Bye. Bye.