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# This Year in Org
Timothy (he/him, IRC: tecosaur)
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You've all been avid readers of the (somewhat irregular) "This Month in
Org", now you can be an avid listener of a special edition exclusive to
EmacsConf: "This Year in Org", a quick rundown of major developments in
Org over the past year, and perhaps a hint of some things lying around
the corner.
# Discussion
## Questions and answers
- Q: Not a question, but just a great thanks for "This month in org"
which helps us get awareness about the greatness of Org!
- A:Thanks :)
- Q: Does the project need other kinds of support (infrastructre,
etc.) which can't be covered by donations to devs? (without
detriment to supporting devs!!)
- A: There isn't much in terms of ongoing costs (just hosting
<https://orgmode.org> really), but donations are great for
dignifying the work done, indicating the value it has to the
community, motivating developers, and also helping
justify/enable more time to be spent working on Org.
- Q: What is the use of parsers in other languages? Is it to make org
available in other applications?
- A:Org is being used outside Emacs (e.g. Hugo, Logseq, rendering
on GitHub/GitLab/Gitea), and so it's worth trying to make sure
they treat the syntax in a consistent manner. Similarly, if
people build nice tools for Org outside Emacs, that's nice for
us :)
- Voit: Shameless plug:
<https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/README.org>
is also an idea to promote the syntax of Org mode in tools
outside of Emacs. After all, everybody is getting advantages
when Orgdown (syntax of Org mode; often named "org" but it's
frequently mixed up with the Elisp implementation) is a rather
popular syntax.
- Q: citar package is a really pleasant addition with support for
org-style citations. What's your take?
- A: Citar is great, IMO
- Q: How many hours a week do you spend contributing to org?
- A: It varies a lot. It's also a bit difficult to say, because
there have been a fair few patch sets which have been
"incubated" in my config before brining them to Org mode, and
so I need to detangle "time spent tinkering on Org in my
config" and "time spent working on patches for Org mode".
Some weeks it's ~0h, others it might be as much as ~30h. The
average might sit around ~5h, but that's just a wild guess.
- Q: As a fan of emacs org-mode and Julia myself too, do you see any
possiblities/wishes/plans to somehow connect org and julia evenmore
(apart from ob-julia). Perhaps a julia parser of org-mode, or
something like that? Just wanna personally thank you for all the
effort in org, emacs and julia you are putting throughout! I have
learned quite a bit about doom emacs config from your blogs too. I
feel like our setup/interest overlaps quite a bit, and its always
helpful too see your work out there. Thanks again, keep up the great
work!
- A: Wait a few slides 😉 (<https://github.com/tecosaur/Org.jl>)
- Q: "Org", "Org-mode", "org-mode", "Org/Org-mode"? Which one
for the format/notation and which one for the software proper, and
then the whole thing (with org-contrib and third-party packages) vs
just the repo and major mode per se?
- A: "Org mode" for the project, "org-mode" for the major
mode, "Org" for the format
- Q: How much time/week do you spend editing your doom config?
- A: Err, too much 😆
- I feel that :D
- Q:In your doom configs, you like using variables fonts and stuff,
basically a lot visuals everywhere. I feel that it makes everything
sluggish. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe there are less visible
tricks in your config?
- A: It doesn't make things slow enough that I care, basically.
Doom does some nice performance stuff, and I try to go for
deferred loading and look for text-properties over overlays for
performance in visual packages. As for varaible pitch fonts
look, that's handled by Harfbuzz not elisp AFAIK (and so
doesn't really affect performance).
- Q: Do you use linux or mac system? What kinds if not a secret?Q
- Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed specifically
- Q: I wonder why the export to HTML has not been modernized. Any particular reason?
- A: It's going to take a whole lot of time an effort. I take that as being more flexible and better able to suit "modern HTML/CSS" usage. Incidentally, the HTML and Markdown backends are two things I'd like to have a look at next year (if I end up having the time).
- Q: haven't looked at citation support at all yet, any great intro articles out there?
- I may be (am) biased, but try https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html 🙂
- More discussion about citations:
- and I have found the citar package a really pleasant addition with support for org-style citations
- Citar is great, IMO
- Citar is indeed great. I have been meaning to switch to Citar from ivy-bibtex, but honestly I am just being lazy
- I am not sure as I haven't used ivy-bibtex. I am half-way migrating away from org-ref but will likely keep that around for a while longer (mostly for old links and its doi-utils import functions)
- I found citar really easy to set up and get started with. Very clear and clean entry points
- Org mode outside of Emacs: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool-Support.org
- A: Also https://orgmode.org/tools.html 🙂
- your visuals have always been charachteristic, where did you learn that? in the sense that I can reasonably guess you made something when I see the result. I was also thinking about your config or the survey website, or are they inspired by that theme?
- A: I think that's just "themed Beamer metropolis". I do also naturally go to light themed content with a pale yellow-y background.
- Q: "Org", "Org-mode", "org-mode", "Org/Org-mode"? Which one for the format/notation and which one for the software proper, and then the whole thing (with org-contrib and third-party packages) vs just the repo and major mode per se?
- A: "Org mode" for the project, "org-mode" for the major mode, "Org" for the format
- Q: Thank you :) Any plans to use tree-sitter with org? How would it relate to org-element? But if I remember correctly org syntax can not be fully expressed as tree-sitter grammer... So maybe tree-sitter is not for org?
- i don't grasp the recent infatuation with external parsers.
- A: They're happening, and syntax divergence is bad. and if they are used to make neat things, it's nice if we can make use of them too
## Other discussions from IRC
- yeah org-modern ?
- lots of progress on the syntax doc, i just checked it out on worg
- engraved-faces is excellent.
- Again, an excellent talk.
- Both talks were great! Thanks
- good pace, slides, and clearly delivered
- "aspirational rather than descriptive" -- I will remember this for future use :D
- thanks tecosaur for the very nice overview and reminder of all the recent changes in org!
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