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In this talk, Mohsen Banan describes how Emacs mail can be part of a comprehensive digital ecosystem. Afterwards, he will handle questions via BigBlueButton.
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Format: 38-min talk followed by live Q&A (<https://emacsconf.org/current/mail/room>)
Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2022-mail>
Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf-dev](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf,emacsconf-dev)
Status: Q&A open for participation
<div>Times in different timezones:</div><div class="times" start="2022-12-03T18:50:00Z" end="2022-12-03T19:30:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~1:50 PM - 2:30 PM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~12:50 PM - 1:30 PM CST (US/Central)<br />Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~11:50 AM - 12:30 PM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~10:50 AM - 11:30 AM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~6:50 PM - 7:30 PM UTC <br />Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~7:50 PM - 8:30 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Saturday, Dec 3 2022, ~8:50 PM - 9:30 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Sunday, Dec 4 2022, ~12:20 AM - 1:00 AM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Sunday, Dec 4 2022, ~2:50 AM - 3:30 AM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Sunday, Dec 4 2022, ~3:50 AM - 4:30 AM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><a href="/2022/watch/dev/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></div>
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00:00:00.000 Introduction
01:41.080 Mail and the digital ecosystem
03:33.600 Platformization and Mail
05:32.400 Contours of this presentation
06:19.800 Anatomy of monolithic MUAs
06:42.840 Existing Elisp mail libraries and modes
07:22.960 Concept of a split-MUA
08:22.320 Emacs and the culture of DIY split-MUAs
09:42.400 A glimpse of the bigger picture
13:10.880 The full ByStar story
17:31.320 ByStar DE context, assets, and terminology
19:20.120 MARMEE parts list
20:21.760 Blee-Gnus parts list
20:47.680 Deep integration of BISOS-MARMEE and Blee-Gnus
22:08.840 qmail and bystar-qmail
23:56.560 MARMEE: common-agent for split-MUA implementations
25:10.760 Obtaining, installing, and configuring MARMEE
26:17.200 Installing MARMEE
27:20.480 Emacs inside of ByStar
29:47.760 Emacs common-agent models and interfaces
31:36.960 Evolution of Gnus with MARMEE
32:35.280 X-Message-SMTP-Method: qmail
33:11.320 X-Message-Send-Method
33:39.320 Shared common-agents configuration and secrets management
34:39.600 Evolution of message-mode into message-polymode
35:34.080 Two vertical-slice mail use cases
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