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# Transcript
[[!template new="1" text="Hi everyone! I'm very excited" start="00:00:01.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to be here at EmacsConf 2021 today" start="00:00:02.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to give my talk called" start="00:00:05.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text=""M-x Forever: How Emacs Will Outlast" start="00:00:06.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Text Editor Trends."" start="00:00:09.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So let's start with the conclusion first." start="00:00:11.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I know, it's a little bit unorthodox," start="00:00:13.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="but let's just try and see what happens." start="00:00:15.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So no matter what happens" start="00:00:16.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in the wider software world," start="00:00:18.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="GNU Emacs will continue to be" start="00:00:19.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a beloved program" start="00:00:21.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with a dedicated community" start="00:00:22.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and a healthy team" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of maintainers and contributors." start="00:00:25.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="You're probably wondering" start="00:00:28.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="who am I to be making such a claim," start="00:00:29.439" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so I'll tell you." start="00:00:31.141" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I am David Wilson, the creator of the" start="00:00:32.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="System Crafters YouTube channel" start="00:00:34.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and community. If you want to see" start="00:00:36.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a lot of really great videos" start="00:00:38.079" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about GNU Emacs, GNU Guix, etc.," start="00:00:39.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="come check out my YouTube channel." start="00:00:41.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I'm also on LBRY and Odysee" start="00:00:42.719" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="if you don't want to go use YouTubea" start="00:00:44.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And also, if you're the type of person" start="00:00:46.399" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="who doesn't want to use" start="00:00:47.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="any of these websites" start="00:00:48.399" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and you want to see my videos anyway," start="00:00:49.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="please just send me an email" start="00:00:51.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at the email address below" start="00:00:52.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and I'll see if I can set you up" start="00:00:53.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with that. You can also check out" start="00:00:54.079" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="my website and the places where we chat," start="00:00:55.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="especially on libera.chat" start="00:00:58.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at the #systemcrafters channel." start="00:00:59.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="If you have any thoughts" start="00:01:01.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="after seeing this talk," start="00:01:02.719" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="please feel free to send me an email" start="00:01:03.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or find me on chat." start="00:01:04.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="So there is a recurring concern" start="00:01:07.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in the Emacs community" start="00:01:09.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about its popularity." start="00:01:11.119" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="This is something that keeps coming back" start="00:01:12.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="time and time again. You probably see it" start="00:01:14.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="every year or two where people on Reddit" start="00:01:16.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or maybe on the emacs-devel" start="00:01:18.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="mailing list are talking about ways" start="00:01:19.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to increase Emacs popularity." start="00:01:21.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="More recently, there was a discussion" start="00:01:24.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="on Hacker News where somebody posted" start="00:01:25.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a link to this" start="00:01:27.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Making Emacs Popular Again blog post" start="00:01:28.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="which does chronicle some of the" start="00:01:31.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more recent discussions on emacs-devel" start="00:01:32.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about things that could be done" start="00:01:34.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to make Emacs a more popular editor." start="00:01:35.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So the title of my talk claims" start="00:01:38.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that Emacs is going to" start="00:01:40.079" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="outlast text editor trends." start="00:01:41.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So to elaborate on this claim," start="00:01:43.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we're going to try to answer" start="00:01:45.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a few specific questions." start="00:01:46.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="First of all, what is popularity" start="00:01:48.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and how do you even measure it?" start="00:01:51.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="If people are saying" start="00:01:53.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that Emacs needs to be more popular," start="00:01:54.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="then what do we really mean" start="00:01:55.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="by popularity?" start="00:01:57.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Also, what are the benefits" start="00:01:59.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of popularity? If emacs did somehow" start="00:02:00.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="become more popular, what benefits" start="00:02:01.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="would it receive from that?" start="00:02:03.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And also, how does an editor" start="00:02:05.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="lose popularity, and what are" start="00:02:07.439" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the possible consequences to that?" start="00:02:08.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And then what are the unique factors" start="00:02:11.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about Emacs that will ensure" start="00:02:12.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that it survives long term?" start="00:02:13.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="What is special about Emacs" start="00:02:16.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that will help it to thrive" start="00:02:17.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="despite whatever happens in the" start="00:02:19.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="popular sphere of text editors and" start="00:02:21.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="programming languages, etc.?" start="00:02:24.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="So, first of all, what does popularity" start="00:02:26.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="really mean? When someone says" start="00:02:28.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that Emacs needs to become more popular," start="00:02:30.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what are they really saying" start="00:02:32.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is that there needs to be more users," start="00:02:33.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and that they stick around." start="00:02:35.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Like, they learn how to use Emacs" start="00:02:37.102" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and they continue to be users." start="00:02:38.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="If we did get those new users," start="00:02:41.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what would it actually do for Emacs?" start="00:02:42.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Also, is it that there are" start="00:02:45.599" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more community members that are" start="00:02:47.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="creating new packages?" start="00:02:48.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="You know, that sort of assumes" start="00:02:51.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that the editor itself" start="00:02:52.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="doesn't have enough packages," start="00:02:53.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or that the only way" start="00:02:54.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that the an editor stays alive" start="00:02:55.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is for there to be constant churn," start="00:02:57.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with new packages coming around." start="00:02:58.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Is it that there is more content" start="00:03:01.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="being created by users," start="00:03:03.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="like more blog posts being written," start="00:03:04.319" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more YouTube videos being made," start="00:03:05.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more other ways that people are" start="00:03:07.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="evangelizing the use of Emacs" start="00:03:09.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and also teaching people how to use it?" start="00:03:11.599" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Also, is it that" start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more long-term stability is had" start="00:03:16.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in the editor, and more core" start="00:03:18.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="improvements that are being made" start="00:03:20.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="over time? I mean, I guess you could say" start="00:03:21.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that it does make sense" start="00:03:22.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that if the editor is more popular," start="00:03:23.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="then people will be more invested" start="00:03:25.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in improving it, and there will be" start="00:03:26.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="more new contributors coming in," start="00:03:28.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="but is greater and greater popularity" start="00:03:30.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="really what's needed" start="00:03:32.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to ensure that this happens?" start="00:03:33.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Also, it could just be that" start="00:03:35.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="there's more validation" start="00:03:37.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for someone's personal choices." start="00:03:38.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="You know, people tend to use" start="00:03:40.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="these software choices they use" start="00:03:42.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="as part of their identity." start="00:03:43.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So is it that they want Emacs" start="00:03:44.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to be more popular" start="00:03:46.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so that they can finally say," start="00:03:46.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text=""I'm an Emacs user,"" start="00:03:48.319" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and have people think" start="00:03:49.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that they're cool or "hip" or whatever?" start="00:03:50.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I hope that... Hopefully," start="00:03:51.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that's not the case." start="00:03:52.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Hopefully, it's one of these" start="00:03:53.370" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="other points. But it could be something" start="00:03:54.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="because, as we see, you know," start="00:03:56.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="there's a lot of trends and fashion" start="00:03:57.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="when it comes to software development" start="00:03:59.439" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and also free software" start="00:04:00.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and open source tools." start="00:04:02.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So as we go through this talk," start="00:04:04.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="keep these questions in mind" start="00:04:05.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="as we talk about" start="00:04:07.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="some of the finer points on all of this," start="00:04:07.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and see whether you think" start="00:04:09.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that popularity really correlates" start="00:04:11.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with these things." start="00:04:13.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="So first of all, how do we measure" start="00:04:15.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="popularity? What information do we have" start="00:04:17.919" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to actually determine" start="00:04:20.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="which editors are popular," start="00:04:21.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and whether they're gaining or losing" start="00:04:23.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="popularity? So I've got a few," start="00:04:25.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or a couple places here" start="00:04:26.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that we can look at" start="00:04:27.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to judge the popularity" start="00:04:29.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of various editors." start="00:04:30.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="First of all, Google Trends." start="00:04:32.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Google actually gives us the ability" start="00:04:33.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to track and compare search volume" start="00:04:35.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for particular terms and topics" start="00:04:37.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="over time. So if you wanted to know" start="00:04:39.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="how often someone was searching" start="00:04:41.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about Emacs, maybe to try to find help" start="00:04:43.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for something, or look for documentation," start="00:04:44.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or maybe look for blog posts, etc.," start="00:04:46.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="you can look at Google Trends" start="00:04:48.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to see how often people are searching" start="00:04:49.919" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for Emacs over time." start="00:04:51.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="One useful ability is that we can" start="00:04:53.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="compare how much people are searching" start="00:04:55.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="across various different topics" start="00:04:57.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and see a graph, which is" start="00:04:58.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what i'm going to show you right now." start="00:05:00.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="This graph shows you the search volume" start="00:05:01.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for Emacs compared to Vim, Atom," start="00:05:04.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Sublime Text, and Visual Studio Code" start="00:05:06.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="from 2004 to the present" start="00:05:08.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="worldwide, so all across the world" start="00:05:11.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="where searches are happening." start="00:05:12.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="You can see that in 2004," start="00:05:14.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Emacs is the reigning king supreme" start="00:05:16.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="where you have the most search terms" start="00:05:18.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or searches happening on emacs" start="00:05:21.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at that time. Also, Vim is quite high" start="00:05:22.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="on this list as well." start="00:05:25.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Let's see. Sublime Text is a bit lower" start="00:05:26.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in the list, but it's in third place." start="00:05:28.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Nope. Yep. That's right." start="00:05:31.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Then atom is quite low, but I think that" start="00:05:32.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Atom didn't exist yet," start="00:05:34.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so maybe at that point, you know," start="00:05:36.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="this is probably something else." start="00:05:37.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Google is just getting random data." start="00:05:39.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And then Visual Studio Code" start="00:05:41.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="also didn't exist," start="00:05:42.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so probably this is like" start="00:05:43.919" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Visual Studio searches," start="00:05:45.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="but then as you go across the years," start="00:05:46.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="you see that gradually," start="00:05:48.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Emacs popularity appears to be declining." start="00:05:48.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="As does Vim, but not quite so much." start="00:05:52.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And then over time, Sublime Text" start="00:05:54.639" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="becomes more popular," start="00:05:56.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then VS Code in more recent years" start="00:05:57.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="becomes very popular" start="00:05:59.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="compared to everything else." start="00:06:00.319" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So it looks like Emacs" start="00:06:02.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="has declined significantly in popularity," start="00:06:04.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="while the other editors have taken over." start="00:06:06.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="But is the search volume really" start="00:06:09.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the only important factor" start="00:06:11.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that indicates popularity or health" start="00:06:12.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of a given editor?" start="00:06:14.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="That still remains to be seen." start="00:06:16.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template new="1" text="We can also take a look" start="00:06:18.319" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at the yearly survey" start="00:06:19.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that the website Stack Overflow puts out" start="00:06:22.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="asking developers about the tools" start="00:06:24.602" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that they use to find out" start="00:06:26.533" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="which ones are being used" start="00:06:27.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="most frequently and that are" start="00:06:28.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="gaining popularity over time." start="00:06:29.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So there is a great blog post" start="00:06:31.919" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="by someone named Roben Kleene," start="00:06:33.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="who synthesizes some" start="00:06:35.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of this data together," start="00:06:37.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="specifically about editors," start="00:06:37.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and provides us with a graph" start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that we can take a look at" start="00:06:40.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="PhpStorm and NetBeans," start="00:07:43.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="workflow-improving packages" start="00:20:11.136" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="a unique offering" start="00:20:18.559" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="Those things are very good" start="00:21:04.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="because you have a much better experience" start="00:21:09.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="for the user experience." start="00:21:12.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="there's always going to be" start="00:21:29.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="talk about Emacs with you" start="00:21:32.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="for the health of the project" start="00:21:37.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="because there's a lot of people there" start="00:21:39.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="about how we use the editor," start="00:21:52.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="a really great blog post" start="00:21:56.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that completely blew your mind" start="00:21:57.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and showed you a new way" start="00:21:59.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="all the time, like posts by Protesilaos," start="00:22:05.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="inspire others to use the editor." start="00:22:22.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It's a great thing for evangelism as well." start="00:22:24.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="stumble across a video or a blog post," start="00:22:28.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="about the users." start="00:22:36.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="the people who work on this project" start="00:22:45.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="really care a lot," start="00:22:46.559" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="for 30 to 40 years," start="00:23:00.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="in the software field" start="00:23:22.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to have a piece of software" start="00:23:23.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template new="1" text="So aren't all these things" start="00:23:40.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that we just talked about" start="00:23:42.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="supposed to come" start="00:23:43.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="when an editor is popular?" start="00:23:43.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="We've been talking about" start="00:23:45.279" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what is popularity," start="00:23:46.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what benefits come with popularity." start="00:23:47.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="that are super popular? Well, I guess" start="00:23:52.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="2\. How do you measure it?" start="00:24:35.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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[[!template text="inspiring and maybe" start="00:24:43.279" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a little bit reassuring. Thanks so much" start="00:24:44.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for your time, and happy hacking." start="00:24:46.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="We'll see ya." start="00:24:48.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="captions by sachac" start="00:24:50.867" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
