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# Transcript
[[!template text="Raymond Puzio: Hello, I'm Raymond Puzio." start="00:00:00.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I first learned about Emacs and Lisp" start="00:00:02.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at an enrichment program" start="00:00:04.799" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for high school students." start="00:00:05.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="When I studied physics at the university," start="00:00:07.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I used Emacs and Tex" start="00:00:09.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to write mathematical documents." start="00:00:10.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Later on, I became active" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in Emacs and Lisp user groups where," start="00:00:13.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="among other things, I learned about" start="00:00:16.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Org mode for reproducible research." start="00:00:18.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Nowadays, I am working on" start="00:00:20.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="synthesizing Emacs and other programs" start="00:00:21.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="into an end-to-end platform" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for scientific research and collaboration." start="00:00:25.599" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Joe Corneli: I'm Joe Corneli." start="00:00:30.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I also started using Emacs in high school" start="00:00:31.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in a course on C programming," start="00:00:33.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and now I'm technically" start="00:00:35.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a computer scientist." start="00:00:36.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="My research background" start="00:00:38.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is in mathematics and online communities." start="00:00:39.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Noorah Alhasan: Hi, I'm Noorah Alhasan." start="00:00:43.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I'm a member of the ERG group" start="00:00:45.039" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and a PhD student at UT Austin" start="00:00:46.719" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="studying climate policy." start="00:00:49.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="So for this talk, the four of us" start="00:00:51.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="met at EmacsConf 2020 last year" start="00:00:54.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with a common interest" start="00:00:56.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in Emacs and research." start="00:00:57.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we've met almost every week since then" start="00:00:59.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="because we wanted to" start="00:01:01.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="keep the conversation going." start="00:01:02.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="In this short talk," start="00:01:04.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we share information" start="00:01:05.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about the methods we use." start="00:01:06.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Here's the outline of our talk." start="00:01:08.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="First, we'll tell you" start="00:01:09.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about the technologies we use" start="00:01:10.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and show a short demo video" start="00:01:12.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="from one of the meetings." start="00:01:13.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="We'll then focus on" start="00:01:15.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the time and content structuring methods" start="00:01:16.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we use in our live sessions." start="00:01:18.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Finally, we'll talk about" start="00:01:21.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what came out of all this work." start="00:01:22.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="For example, we wrote a paper for the" start="00:01:24.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Pattern Languages of Programs conference," start="00:01:28.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we designed a workshop" start="00:01:30.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="using the knowledge we created together." start="00:01:31.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Very practically," start="00:01:33.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="this has improved the quality" start="00:01:35.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of our own collaboration" start="00:01:37.119" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we have some lessons" start="00:01:38.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about how you can create" start="00:01:39.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a research community similar to ours." start="00:01:41.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Joe: You'll have noticed that we all have" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="different research backgrounds" start="00:01:48.399" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we do think that transdisciplinarity" start="00:01:50.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is important for solving big problems." start="00:01:52.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="However, if you have people" start="00:01:54.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="from different research backgrounds" start="00:01:56.719" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="working together," start="00:01:58.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="they need some scaffolding," start="00:01:58.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="both in terms of tools and methods," start="00:01:59.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to have good conversations." start="00:02:01.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And of course, as Emacs users," start="00:02:02.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we wanted to have Emacs" start="00:02:04.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at the center of that." start="00:02:05.439" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Being in a meeting," start="00:02:07.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="taking real-time notes" start="00:02:08.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="collaboratively with Emacs" start="00:02:10.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="realizes a dream that some of us" start="00:02:11.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="have been entertaining" start="00:02:13.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="(and experimenting with)" start="00:02:14.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for a while. The package crdt.el" start="00:02:15.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="by Qiantan Hong makes this easy." start="00:02:18.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="We take notes in our meetings" start="00:02:21.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="using Org Mode." start="00:02:22.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Since we've seen this before" start="00:02:24.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in talks on reproducible research," start="00:02:25.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and since Leo is the maintainer of org-roam," start="00:02:27.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="it was a natural choice for us." start="00:02:29.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It allows us to" start="00:02:31.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="put our notes online using git" start="00:02:32.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and the static state generator Firn." start="00:02:34.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And lastly, of course, we need" start="00:02:36.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a real-time meeting tool." start="00:02:37.599" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="For that purpose," start="00:02:38.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we use BBB in our weekly sessions" start="00:02:39.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="(in fact, we use the same server" start="00:02:41.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that's used by EmacsConf," start="00:02:43.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="thanks again to Leo)." start="00:02:44.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="All of these tools are" start="00:02:46.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="free/libre/open source." start="00:02:48.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="However, BBB does have" start="00:02:49.380" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="some intensive hardware requirements." start="00:02:50.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Next up, here's a" start="00:02:53.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="short pre-recorded snippet" start="00:02:54.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="from one of our recent meetings" start="00:02:56.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so you can get a sense of how they go." start="00:02:57.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Demo - Leo Vivier: Are we okay" start="00:03:01.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="pushing the demo to the end?" start="00:03:02.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="That kind of presupposes" start="00:03:04.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a different structure" start="00:03:05.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that you would usually have" start="00:03:07.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in a presentation." start="00:03:08.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Generally you have..." start="00:03:08.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="You introduce the demo, you do the demo," start="00:03:09.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then you do the conclusions," start="00:03:12.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="or what was good about the demo." start="00:03:14.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Does that make sense to everyone?" start="00:03:16.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Ray: Let's see." start="00:03:18.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="When you usually do that," start="00:03:18.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that's because whatever you're demonstrating" start="00:03:19.599" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is the main point of your talk," start="00:03:21.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so if this was a talk about action reviews," start="00:03:23.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that would make sense, but isn't it not ERG?" start="00:03:25.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Leo: But it's because we are telling..." start="00:03:29.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="For me, I think it's a compound element." start="00:03:32.319" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Yes, we are demonstrating the power," start="00:03:34.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="but we are also demonstrating" start="00:03:36.640" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="how we're working together by..." start="00:03:37.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Yes, we might have introduced CRDT before" start="00:03:39.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in the presentation itself," start="00:03:42.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="but if we need to be doing the power," start="00:03:43.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and also showing tools like CRDT," start="00:03:46.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="obviously, we're not... probably not going" start="00:03:49.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="to be talking about... oh by the way," start="00:03:50.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="here we are using CRDT" start="00:03:52.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and stuff like this." start="00:03:54.239" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It feels like cramming a lot of stuff" start="00:03:54.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="into this demo at the end." start="00:03:57.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Joe: So I think demo to me" start="00:03:58.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is less about demoing one of the methods," start="00:04:00.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="because then people will get" start="00:04:02.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a bit hung up on that." start="00:04:02.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I think the demo..." start="00:04:05.439" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="You know, to be honest," start="00:04:07.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="here's another thing." start="00:04:08.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="What we could do--" start="00:04:09.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="this would be very clever--" start="00:04:09.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we could make this the demo," start="00:04:10.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="what we're doing right now," start="00:04:12.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="writing this talk is the demo," start="00:04:13.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and just go back into the video" start="00:04:15.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and just get out a two-minute section," start="00:04:18.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="so we say, look we tried to write this talk," start="00:04:20.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we went around, had a discussion," start="00:04:22.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we had these things and then we just take..." start="00:04:23.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="We're going to pick two minutes" start="00:04:25.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="out of this video" start="00:04:26.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and show you that" start="00:04:26.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="as a demo of how we actually work" start="00:04:27.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then we'll go back to the talk." start="00:04:29.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I mean, it'd be very funny," start="00:04:30.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then we've already done the demo." start="00:04:31.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It's just, like... uh yeah," start="00:04:32.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="then we're good to go." start="00:04:34.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="And it's got neural lines on the floor." start="00:04:35.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It's like a perfect writer's room." start="00:04:37.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="It's a total amazing writer's room scenario," start="00:04:39.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="specifically because she's lying on her back" start="00:04:41.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="on the floor. Anyway. I mean," start="00:04:43.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I think this would be fine." start="00:04:45.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Leo: I think I particularly like the idea" start="00:04:47.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of taking the snippet," start="00:04:49.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the two minutes before the realization" start="00:04:52.080" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that we could be using this as the demo," start="00:04:54.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then seeing the... well my face light up" start="00:04:56.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="because it feels like a good idea," start="00:05:00.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and Joe gets excited about this." start="00:05:01.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="I think this could be a good demo," start="00:05:03.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and I think this would be" start="00:05:04.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a very genuine demonstration" start="00:05:07.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of how we work here" start="00:05:08.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and how we get excited about" start="00:05:09.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="some of our ideas sometimes." start="00:05:10.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Noorah: In the demo," start="00:05:13.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="you saw a very improvised" start="00:05:14.639" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="free-flowing conversation." start="00:05:16.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="In order to have this kind of conversation" start="00:05:18.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and still get things done," start="00:05:19.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we need a pretty rigorous structure in place" start="00:05:20.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at the bigger scale of the meetings." start="00:05:23.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="This involves both" start="00:05:26.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a timetable for the meetings" start="00:05:27.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and some review and planning processes." start="00:05:31.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Joe: Just to say a little bit more" start="00:05:35.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="about the timetable, if you could go back," start="00:05:36.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the meetings are generally following" start="00:05:40.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a structure as we have up on the screen" start="00:05:42.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of informal check-ins" start="00:05:45.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="followed by any announcements," start="00:05:46.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and then two topics, at most two topics," start="00:05:48.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="with a break in the middle." start="00:05:50.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="The whole thing takes about two hours," start="00:05:52.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we meet weekly." start="00:05:54.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="The consistency of these meetings" start="00:05:56.400" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="is really important" start="00:05:58.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for how the group works." start="00:05:58.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Ray: At at the end of every meeting," start="00:06:00.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we ask and answer" start="00:06:02.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="a series of questions" start="00:06:03.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="adapted from the ‘After Action Review’" start="00:06:04.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="developed by the United States Army" start="00:06:07.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="in their training programs," start="00:06:08.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and also used in some business contexts." start="00:06:10.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="The adaptation we use here" start="00:06:13.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="came out of the Peeragogy project," start="00:06:15.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="which some of us have been involved with" start="00:06:17.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="since 2012, and it's designed to be" start="00:06:19.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="less hierarchical than the army's review." start="00:06:22.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="By writing down and sharing these reviews," start="00:06:24.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we create a resource" start="00:06:26.960" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for further peer learning" start="00:06:28.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="later down the line." start="00:06:29.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="Joe: So, specifically," start="00:06:32.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="every six weeks or so," start="00:06:33.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="we look at the transcripts" start="00:06:34.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="from the previous action reviews" start="00:06:35.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="using a four-layered framework" start="00:06:37.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that comes from future studies," start="00:06:39.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we use this to better understand" start="00:06:41.199" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="the underlying themes" start="00:06:42.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="that surface in the reviews" start="00:06:43.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and to develop the deeper motivations" start="00:06:44.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="for ongoing work together." start="00:06:46.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="This helps us get a big-picture sense" start="00:06:48.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="of where we're going," start="00:06:49.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="and we can keep that up to date" start="00:06:50.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="at a slower pace" start="00:06:51.840" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="than we do in the weekly meetings." start="00:06:52.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="This also helps us tie our work" start="00:06:54.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
[[!template text="into a broader context" start="00:06:55.759" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
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