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I mean we are ahead of the schedule a
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little bit but I mean we also was a
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little bit earlier in the day
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so yeah yeah I'd say that's fine go for
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it take it away
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sure thank you so am I live already
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you are now unmuted um yep your life
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hello
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spell it so I'll just start the timer to
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make sure that I don't go overboard
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all right so you are now muted okay good
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to go now so
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hello again everyone so I hope you had
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well quite a lot of talks
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ever since the last one I did and all
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more interesting
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uh one after the other so um
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you know I'm a bit in a bit of a weird
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spot right now because I'm supposed to
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be presenting to you as you can see on
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my screen
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one big-ass awk file multiple tiny ones
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finally the end of the debate
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and it sounds about as clickbaity
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as you can possibly get with those
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topics and by the way
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uh credit where credit is due the title
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is not mine it's actually from bastian
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gary the current old
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maintainer and yeah I wanted to
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talk to you a little bit today about
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this question because
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if you are used to going on our slash
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emacs you know the subreddit that we
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have
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if you go on I can use often you know
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it's a question that
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you see pop-up every once in a while
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should I be using
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one big file or should I be using
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a lot of tiny files and I believe you
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know
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we've got defenders on both sides if I
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just show you one examples
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so we have carl voigt okay so he's one
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of the organizers for the conference
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he hears the guy who probably has the
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biggest augment files
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right now in all the people I know and
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god knows I know plenty of people use
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old mode
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but if you just look at this line I hope
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it's not too small you just
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make it a little larger but
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carl basically has a file with 126
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000 lines and I'm just going to pause
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and try to have you imagine how large a
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file it actually is
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just think about all of these lines
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being tasked in your days
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think about all those lines being about
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little thoughts
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you know that you've had throughout the
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day or project that you were working on
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and it's massive and you know one of the
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problem that
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uh calvoit actually approaches on
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this topic is that it takes him roughly
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20 seconds to get his old agenda going
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which is a massive amount of time
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I mean we have very fast computers now
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you know ever since e-max was created in
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1976
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computers I have no idea how much faster
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they've gotten
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and yet you know for earth 1000 lines
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emac seems to be choking and it's
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certainly not reasonable in a way to
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have to wait 20 seconds
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just for your entire file to be passed
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so basically what I want to do
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and by the way I forgot to do the
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presentation but I'm leova I did this
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before for those who were around
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and I um help maintain a software which
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is called orgrom
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and that's the expertise that I have on
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the topic
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actually if you go online I do have a
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github page I will make sure that you
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have all the links available afterwards
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but I do publish my init files
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and you can see if you scroll at the
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bottom I have a little demonstration
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which shows you
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the fancy things that I can do with my
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old mood setup and that might be even
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interesting
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in lights of the talk you've just had
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about gtd stuff because
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the first one is about how I end all my
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projects the second one is about
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the flow from a task uh as I work on it
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so
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I won't spend too much time on this but
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basically that's my expertise
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I have spent eight years working with
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working with org mode
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three of them actually thinking about
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writing packages
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and the thing is if I go into a little
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bit of details and obviously it's only a
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lighting talk so I won't have time to
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actually go really in depth about it but
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there is something
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in the ultimate libraries which is
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called org elements
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and you have the name right there org
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element.el
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dot el being for e-lisp file and as you
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can see
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the page it's on the work wiki so it's
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accessible by everyone
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but it's basically the api that
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org mode uses to pass all mode files
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so for those who don't know passing
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means basically
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checking a file checking all the content
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of the file and extracting all the
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information that we need from that file
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and as you can imagine you all have
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augmented files in your mind
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well you know they can be fairly complex
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you know you can have properties
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you can have contextual information like
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if you write a line
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which starts at column zero which means
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at the left
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you know it doesn't have the same
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meaning whether or not it is
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before the beginning of a headline or if
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it is after the beginning of a red line
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you know it's going to be
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relatively different hierarchically
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speaking
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and so the problem when it comes to the
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question of
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many files versus one big file or
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few big files is that we always have to
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keep in mind
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what org elements want you to do
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and the thing is there are plenty of
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problems when it comes to passing file
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the first one
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being obviously that emacs is a single
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thread
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process or has some threading
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capabilities we're not going to go into
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the details right now that's not my goal
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but it makes it incredibly hard to
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parallelize uh passing processes as
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we currently with the current technology
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and so you'd have to imagine that if you
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have a very large files if you go back
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to the example of carl voice from before
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100 000 lines that means that you have
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to scan
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through every single line basically
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because sometimes let's just say that
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you have a property drawer for instance
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which tells you oh okay uh this tree
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has the tag foo so the problem is there
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are multiple ways for you
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to define a tag okay so you can use the
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usual way which is about wrapping in
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columns the tag at the end of a heading
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so for instance if I I'm not going to
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switch to emac that's going to waste too
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much time
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but that's one way to say your time but
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say
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you have tag inheritance which means
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that when you have a parent with a tag
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you also want the child to inherit the
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tag so if you have
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first heading with the typhoo you have
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the first subheading
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and the tag foo is implied now imagine
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having to do that with a file that is
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completely nested
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a file that has maybe 9 10
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11 levels of depth to it
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it's mind-bogglingly complicated for the
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software to do that knowing that I've
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told you about tags
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but any property can be inheritable
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anything like priorities even though why
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would you do this
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you can have groups you can all this and
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as someone who went through the trouble
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of optimizing his old agenda so
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basically if we go back to the
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gifts gifs oh god we've already had this
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discussion
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between the git and magit and now I've
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started jeff and gif and I only have one
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more minute left to do so so let's just
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say I'm going to say gif
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just to spice people so if you go on
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the way I organize my agenda what I did
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in order to keep my agenda build time
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under two seconds
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is that I've rewritten a whole lot of
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codes to be able to pass my organ gender
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files
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so the thing is I'm going to be talking
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more about this later
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I only have let's say one minutes to
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conclude
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so as you've gathered I'm not going to
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be giving you the answer
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right now I'm going to be talking about
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orgrum a little later which is about
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following the principle of having many
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small files
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but as someone who has been using
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one large file to manage my life you
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know I'm sitting on the fence
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I do not know which one is the best
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but I hope that my presentation has
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given you a little id
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of what goes on behind the principles
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and
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you also need to think about the
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philosophy behind the organization of
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your notes
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but I hope to be approaching this topic
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with you in about
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two hours or so maybe one hour actually
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so I'm actually finished I've decided to
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leave you two minutes of questions
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so uh if someone could feed me the
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question that might be best
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because I don't want oh actually I can
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just open the year
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I can just open it give me a second okay
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ah
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just loading up huh I might stop showing
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my screen
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that might make it easier so I mean if
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you can make
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myself big now on the screen that would
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be splendid yeah sure
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thank you so uh where are we
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question 12. okay so what's better one
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big file
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I did is it did a job to tell me that I
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haven't answered the question because
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someone just
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asked me the question well personally if
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I were to give you a quick answer in
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like
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20 seconds personally I think it's a
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question that is contextually based
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do you want something that is efficient
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as far as optimization is concerned
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then you need to think about
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this and personally for all the
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organization that I do
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all this stuff all the to-do's that I
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handle
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I like to do this in one simple big file
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because you benefit from all the
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refiling capabilities of log mode
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so I would do that but for knowledge
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management
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for note-taking and all this well I'd
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much rather follow the
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orgrom way of doing things which is
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about having many
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small files okay I'm not getting any
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more questions I'm not sure if there is
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one on ise that could be fed to me
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otherwise I'm
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happy to to uh pass over to the next uh
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speaker
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and by the way just before I finish your
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world is a lie it's not a three-piece
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suit I'm wearing jeans below so I hope
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that satisfies your curiosity
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[Music]
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okay there's one more question appearing
0:10:12.640,0:10:17.680
but otherwise one big file to have
0:10:15.040,0:10:19.760
everything so I'm putting you on the
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spot I believe it was such a short talk
0:10:19.760,0:10:23.600
you know the problem is
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I just wanted to give you a little
0:10:23.600,0:10:26.959
answer
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a little you know path of thinking on
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this topic
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but obviously it's a topic I could be
0:10:29.839,0:10:33.200
spending 40 minutes on but
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I'm going to be drained you're going to
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be drained nobody's going to be happy if
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I do this
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so
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and someone asked me if I switch between
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british and french accents
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so a little a little secret for you um
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when I'm stressed I tend to relate to a
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french accent
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so you can measure the amount of stress
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that I'm feeling during this talk
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with the amount of h's that I drop and
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the amount of uh
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sheer fright that you can see sometimes
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in my eyes when I'm thinking about what
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to say next
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all right sir so I mean do you believe
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we can
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leave it at that and uh I'll be you
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people will see plenty more with me
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later on anyway
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right um so looking at the schedule I
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think
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your talk has until like 202 meaning
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like five or six minutes from now oh
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right
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yeah so if you do like to take like one
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or two questions to add two more
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questions by all means
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okay so uh someone has asked me what is
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the emacs icon
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icon sorry see another french accent
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here uh in my status bar
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uh oh sorry I'm not sharing anymore uh I
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might just share again just so that
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everyone can catch a glimpse of that
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uh there we go allow
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so it should be so if you could make me
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small again I'm in I'm not sure if it's
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going to do it
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by itself but I do have a little icon
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here in my status bar
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which is basically a way to interact
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with all protocol
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uh I'm not going to look for it right
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now but it's uh
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it's a browser extension that is
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developed by one of my friends
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over at ranger whose name is v phone and
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uh
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it's very useful I'm someone who uses a
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lot of uh
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of uh all protocols and by the way I
0:12:22.320,0:12:25.279
used to teach
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english okay to high schoolers and they
0:12:25.279,0:12:29.600
were supremely worried
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when I show them my status line and they
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so kill
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and explore in my status line so as
0:12:34.000,0:12:37.839
fellow emacs users you know that
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obviously kill
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means to kill a selection of text and
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keep it inside your clipboard
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but for my students who you know they
0:12:47.279,0:12:51.600
were very worried
0:12:48.320,0:12:53.600
about what their professor was up to
0:12:51.600,0:12:55.120
doing his nights
0:12:53.600,0:12:56.560
so let's see if we've got more questions
0:12:55.120,0:12:57.920
so I'm showing you the questions on the
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rainbow so let's see if
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we've got more so people are posting a
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lot of questions now
0:13:01.920,0:13:06.399
so how do you feel about archiving files
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in old mode and how can that work in
0:13:06.399,0:13:10.240
so one of the thing when we think about
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optimization
0:13:10.240,0:13:16.240
is yes archiving done trees
0:13:13.920,0:13:17.920
is a good idea because it means that if
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we go back to the org element the way it
0:13:17.920,0:13:20.399
works
0:13:18.720,0:13:22.079
and we'll get into technical details
0:13:20.399,0:13:24.079
afterwards I'm giving a presentation
0:13:22.079,0:13:26.880
about all grown technical suspect
0:13:24.079,0:13:28.399
aspects sorry so I'll have a chance to
0:13:26.880,0:13:31.360
expand a little more on this
0:13:28.399,0:13:32.160
but basically all elements need to uh
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every time
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it sees a to do it has to consider it
0:13:35.279,0:13:40.000
even though it is a done to do why
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because let's say for instance that in
0:13:40.000,0:13:45.519
your agenda you want to activate
0:13:41.839,0:13:48.959
log mode which is going to show the
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tasks which are done now you could be
0:13:48.959,0:13:51.440
clever
0:13:49.519,0:13:53.360
and say oh okay the old agenda does not
0:13:51.440,0:13:54.880
need to show don items so it's not going
0:13:53.360,0:13:56.959
to look for them
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but the problem is that all elements is
0:13:56.959,0:13:59.519
always called it always needs to pass
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the buffer
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you know uh nicodego as you who is the
0:14:01.839,0:14:05.040
french developer who's worked a whole
0:14:03.519,0:14:07.440
lot on all elements
0:14:05.040,0:14:08.399
has gone through a lot of trouble to
0:14:07.440,0:14:11.600
optimize all
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elements but the problem is
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there's just so much that we can do with
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a concurrent process
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and right now it leaves somewhat
0:14:18.560,0:14:22.079
uh you know things to be desired but
0:14:21.120,0:14:24.800
we're working on it
0:14:22.079,0:14:25.839
and one more time I feel like I spent
0:14:24.800,0:14:28.000
half of this talk
0:14:25.839,0:14:29.360
teasing my next talks but I'll be
0:14:28.000,0:14:31.279
talking more about this
0:14:29.360,0:14:32.639
in my future talks in about one to two
0:14:31.279,0:14:34.959
hours
0:14:32.639,0:14:36.079
so continuing with questions how big are
0:14:34.959,0:14:37.760
my org files
0:14:36.079,0:14:39.839
so in the background I'm just going to
0:14:37.760,0:14:40.720
check how many lines I have in my main
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file
0:14:40.720,0:14:44.079
so in my own file so the one I told you
0:14:42.959,0:14:47.279
about where I keep all
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my to do gtd stuff I have
0:14:47.279,0:14:54.000
38 000 lines which is
0:14:50.720,0:14:57.040
you know it's sizable definitely
0:14:54.000,0:14:58.480
but I do archive a lot of stuff
0:14:57.040,0:15:00.880
so that might be a slight difference
0:14:58.480,0:15:02.079
between uh my myself and carl voight
0:15:00.880,0:15:04.880
even though I don't remember if they
0:15:02.079,0:15:06.639
actually archive stuff
0:15:04.880,0:15:08.480
so does it not consume more resources
0:15:06.639,0:15:10.839
and time to load multiple files
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files than a large file or the same
0:15:10.839,0:15:15.839
content now
0:15:12.560,0:15:19.279
theoretically yes having many files
0:15:15.839,0:15:22.240
open concurrently is slightly slower
0:15:19.279,0:15:24.160
than having one main file opened
0:15:22.240,0:15:25.279
now the problem is for those of you who
0:15:24.160,0:15:27.199
have large files
0:15:25.279,0:15:29.360
you may have noticed that when you are
0:15:27.199,0:15:32.560
scrolling in a very large file
0:15:29.360,0:15:34.480
it starts taking quite a bit of time why
0:15:32.560,0:15:35.920
it's because you know in old mode you
0:15:34.480,0:15:38.959
have a lot of content
0:15:35.920,0:15:40.959
that is hidden so when you have
0:15:38.959,0:15:43.040
the view mode which hides as much stuff
0:15:40.959,0:15:43.600
as possible means meaning that you only
0:15:43.040,0:15:45.360
see
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the top heading and I'm checking the
0:15:45.360,0:15:49.360
time I mean don't worry I'm I'm finished
0:15:46.880,0:15:49.360
on this one
0:15:50.240,0:15:53.360
when you're hiding a whole lot of stuff
0:15:52.160,0:15:54.720
you know orgmo
0:15:53.360,0:15:56.959
needs to keep track or I should say
0:15:54.720,0:15:58.160
emacs needs to keep track of which areas
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of text to show
0:15:58.160,0:16:02.320
and which areas of text to hide and the
0:16:00.560,0:16:04.480
problem is that when you're hiding stuff
0:16:02.320,0:16:06.320
let's say you're moving from line the
0:16:04.480,0:16:08.639
first heading to the second heading
0:16:06.320,0:16:09.839
but you've got like 10 000 lines between
0:16:08.639,0:16:11.519
those two headings
0:16:09.839,0:16:13.680
well he max needs to compute the
0:16:11.519,0:16:15.680
difference between the two passages
0:16:13.680,0:16:17.040
and that takes quite a lot of time and
0:16:15.680,0:16:18.560
in that that's my
0:16:17.040,0:16:20.560
why you might realize that it's a little
0:16:18.560,0:16:21.199
choppy when you start scrolling in large
0:16:20.560,0:16:22.560
files
0:16:21.199,0:16:24.480
anyway I could be answering questions
0:16:22.560,0:16:25.120
about org mode for literally two hours
0:16:24.480,0:16:26.720
straight
0:16:25.120,0:16:28.639
so I'm gonna end it over to the next
0:16:26.720,0:16:31.759
speakers and I'll be seeing
0:16:28.639,0:16:33.440
seeing you guys a little later thank you
0:16:31.759,0:16:36.959
very much leo
0:16:33.440,0:16:39.839
oh thank you yes bye
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bye
