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My name is Corwin Brust and I
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will be talking about getting started
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with Emacs today.
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I have been an Emacs user for a long
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time. First of all, thanks and a huge
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welcome to the conference
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from me and
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and on behalf
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and back to the other people that
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have been helping to organize.
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It's been amazing just to be involved
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with that and just, kind of, see
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backstage.
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So I've used a lot of different editors
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in my time. That's
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about 25 years as a professional
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software engineer.
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And most of that time I've been using
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Emacs. I'll talk a little bit in a minute
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(if I can ever find my slides)
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about how I got into Emacs
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but I think if you've used Emacs and a
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lot of other editors for a long time,
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something that you notice right away is that
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you get good with it in a way that stays
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meaningful.
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You learn new things. Those things
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stick with you. You learn how to
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make it do new tricks and then
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keep doing those tricks.
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I want to mention that this
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conference--oops,
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this talk isn't about
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how to adjust your
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configuration specifically. I don't have
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a bunch of good code samples in here.
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There are other great talks at the
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conference, particularly Andrew's,
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that I looked at, that looked
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like they might be more aimed at that
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"hey, I'm just getting started with Emacs,
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what are some things to try to make
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it more comfortable for me starting?" This
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is about how to think about the problem
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space.
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Hopefully, a good warm up as we
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start thinking about some of the
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lightning talks a little later on.
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I'm just gonna quickly make sure I
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can see my IRC buffer in case I run into
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time. I didn't get my stopwatch started
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for this one.
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So all right, let's dive in.
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We assume that we want to install
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packages
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and maybe configure some features. This
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is particularly from the perspective of
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where we're working
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with a bunch of people on a team and we
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want to get something done.
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Some of us probably already have mature
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Emacs workflows.
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Others are installing it for the first
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time.
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So the first question is, you know,
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in that context: what's the value
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proposition? Why should I mess with my
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machine, my mature Emacs
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configuration, and impose my
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ideas over the way somebody else is
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learning Emacs? Well,
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it can be.. I'm off my slides here a
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little bit.
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It can be a little bit
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tricky
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to learn Emacs. One thing that
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helps us a lot
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is if people that we're working with
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can tell us, kinda, keystroke for
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keystroke at times, what to do and
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explain what everything is doing.
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Using the same packages can really
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help us working together on a project.
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Speaking from my personal
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experience,
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it took me decades to get to the point
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where I was excited to program in Emacs
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Lisp. I've programmed in a lot of programming
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languages,
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but Lisp wasn't on my list. I looked at
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my config that I was copy-pasting around
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from generation after generation of
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.Emacs file or
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recrafting it from hand and from Internet
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searches,
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to get the things that I needed when
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I would quickly go install Emacs at some
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new job or contract,
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and
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be able to to quickly get through that
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workflow that caused me to install the
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program.
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You know, just
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little simple one-liners that that
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got committed to memory over decades
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eventually just led me to a sort of "hey what's going on
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here." And I credit
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Jeff Goff, my good friend who died
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earlier in 2020,
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for my lifelong love of Emacs.
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Perhaps EriK and I will talk about that
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a little bit more in another talk we
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have
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scheduled, but Jeff was a huge
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influenceo on us
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in a number of ways and a huge
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contributor to the Raku programming
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language
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which is very cool.
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So, understanding how
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to make a good decision about splitting
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up configuration in a way to share it
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across
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people with really different uses of
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Emacs... That's actually a
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complicated topic and I want to
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sort of back off and stare at it for a
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second.
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I think Emacs is about people, so that
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means it's about community.
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And community means we're going to
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invite disagreement.
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In fact, that disagreement
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isn't necessarily a road-block to our
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project. In fact,
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some of the work that a community
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project can invite us to do
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is to get closer to each other by
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inviting those disagreements, by
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learning from them--learning from
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different people's
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styles and from how they argue,
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and thinking about why they have that
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perspective and
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what technical benefits that
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perhaps radical point of view might
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carry away. Some people are really
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aggressive arguers, and others
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are very passive and really
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couch their ideas
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in distancing terms, to say, "well
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probably, this is a good idea" or
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"please double check me."
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Those don't always necessarily indicate
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how certain a person is, because we're
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different. We have different ways of
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communicating
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ideas like certainty or excitement.
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[Music]
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When we think about a bunch of really
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diverse programmers approaching Emacs,
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probably one of our our first really big
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challenges is just
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to pick what we're going to go
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after. There are a lot of
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existing kit
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installs and things like this.
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My argument is that you could actually
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get pretty far
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just trading files around. Maybe the
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more valuable
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conversation to have is making the
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hard decisions about, well,
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"should we have vertical completion,"
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should that be the out of the box,
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and the people that want
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the traditional splayed out over a
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single line completion
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for example in the mode line, those
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people are going to
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add a line of config
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to their own setup?
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The way to get there? I mean, how do we
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find out what works? We don't want to
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slow down the people that
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are super productive with Emacs by
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asking them to completely break their
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workflows and make it easier for new
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folks.
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At the same time, we do
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want to make sure those new people are
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excited by Emacs and not turned off by
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having to learn
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the entire jungle of Emacs
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history in the form of its
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unique technical stylings for
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things like frames,
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buffers, and other unique
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Emacs viewpoints on important
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interface concepts, especially.
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The encouragement here is to keep
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the initialization for a project team
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together as a crucible.
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Rather than necessarily following our
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defaults of
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finding the simplest configuration
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that generally work and letting people
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customize it,
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what if we tried to look
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for fairly specific configurations that
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we'll expect essentially all of our
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developers to be using,
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at least when they submit bug reports.
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In particular, with this,
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I think that degree of
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experimentation
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can drive back into the Emacs
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development process. In the development
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mailing list...
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I'm hoping I'll get a timing cue
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here.
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In the context of Emacs development as a
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greater
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entity, we see some of these struggles.
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Should we change this default?
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Sometimes we can have the
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sense that defaults in Emacs will never
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change. The conversation is too difficult.
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I think one thing that can help us get
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there is evidence
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that says, "hey my 30- to 40-person project
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is using this set of bindings and
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here's what we learned about
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brand new Emacs users trying to come in
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and get work done with that."
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(Amin: Yeah you still have
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a couple more minutes)
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Oh, beautiful. Okay, great. I will try to
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get through my last few slides that i
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cut
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in my last walkthrough, but I think i'm
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going quicker today thank you.
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Thank you.
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So let's just recap real quick:
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in theory, Emacs works
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out of the box. That means we're
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free to experiment. We can
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throw it all away and start over.
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As an organizational principle...
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I don't know what I was thinking on that
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slide, excuse me.
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Bringing it back around
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to the free
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and open source software community,
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our goal
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is to enable users
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to unlock their computers, to do as much
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with them as possible.
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That's the context to take with project
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initialization, but sometimes
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it could make sense to put...
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[Music]
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to put some gloves on. I've thrown up on
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the screen here just a couple of other
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ideas, ways to maybe think outside of the
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box.
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As you're putting together project
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nets,
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my words of encouragement are to experiment
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with it,
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try different things, and think really
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specifically about how
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different the development users
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might be from each other as you
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define standards for configuring
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the user environment of Emacs
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specifically for developing
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on a project. That's pretty much my talk.
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If there's any time, I would take a
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couple questions.
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Thank you for your awesome talk,
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Corwin.
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I think we have one or two
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minutes for a few questions.
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Do you have the pad open or would you
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like me to read the questions for you?
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Oh, I managed to close the
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pad
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and I am trying to open it again. All
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right, there it opened.
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Bringing it onto a screen where I can
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see it. Will you read me the
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first question while I drag windows
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around, please?
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(Amin: Sure. It says, "do you use Emacs as a
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community building tool?")
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Do I use Emacs as a community building
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tool, or how do I?
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(Amin: It just says do you.) Yes, absolutely.
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I think Emacs is an ambassador to
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the GNU tool chain.
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I think that in the fullness of time, we
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will see an Emacs
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that makes
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and that makes iOS and Android and other
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closed-source
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tools dream. That's why they mock us
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and call
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Emacs an operating system. It's because
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it could be, if we cared for it to be.
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It's quite a threatening product
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from the perspective of how many problem
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spaces it can address, how many types of
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users it can satisfy,
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the things that we can do to make
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it robust in those
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environments. I mean, we're always
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thinking about the weak points, but
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is Emacs a community building tool? Heck
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yeah.
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(Amin: There's like one or two more
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questions.
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I think they're more long-form so it
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might be better
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if you took them off stream so you
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could keep the schedule on time.)
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i would love to take those questions
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offline. I will respond to you in
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writing if we don't get to it in a
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breakout room.
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Thanks so much for joining us. I
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can't wait to see the rest of the
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conference. See you there!
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(Amin: Awesome. Thank you again so much, Corwin.)
