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(Amin: Alrighty, Leo Vivier, take it away.)

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Okay, well, thank you. I'm in.

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So you've just had a little roundup of
the news,

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and we're going to get started now with
some presentations.

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We're starting with user
developer stories.

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I was extremely interested in
this section

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because I wanted to get
a chance, basically,

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to tell you a little more about
who I am and

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how I got from basically being
a user of Emacs

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to being nowadays a package maintainer,

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and maybe more in the future. I don't
know.

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So, just for the organizers, I'm
planning to speak for 15 minutes,

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and I'll have five more minutes of
questions at the end.

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As I told you before, if you want to have
questions,

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you know you can use the pad,

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and I'll be reading the questions from
there.

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Okay. So hi there, as Amin introduced me
before,

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my name is Leo Vivier.

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I'm a freelance software engineer
in France,

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and I have been using Emacs now for

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I believe close to eight years.

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I can't believe it's been so long.

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But yes, it's been a journey because,
in a way,

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nothing made me go for Emacs.

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You know I'm an-- sorry, I was about to
say Emacs major,

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but no, I'm an English major.

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I went to university to study English
literature and linguistics,

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and I just got started in Emacs

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because I was looking for ways to take

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better notes. I was looking for ways to

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structure the way I was learning,

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structure the way I was taking notes.

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I stumbled one day

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upon this weird piece of software

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which was called Emacs,

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and I've been trapped forever since,

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basically, because eight years ago,

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when I discovered Emacs,

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I just couldn't let go.

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There was just something very

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interesting about the way

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you configured your setup,

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and I just wanted to
dive deeper and deeper.

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So the title is of this talk exactly is

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how I went from user to package
maintainer,

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and the package now that I'm maintaining

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is called org-roam. I'm not the only one
doing this.

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I'm helped with many lovely people
working on org-roam.

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I got started as a maintainer
only this year,

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so that means that for

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the eight years I've been

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an Emacs user, seven of those years were

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spent merely being a user

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trying to be a sponge for knowledge,

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trying to learn as much as I could.

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I believe it would be

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interesting for me to share my story

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because I believe that I'm far from

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being the only user

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who can make the jump to being a
maintainer.

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A lot of you have a lot of knowledge
when it comes to Emacs.

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Some of you are at different steps in
your journey.

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Some of you, for instance, are just

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starting to copy stuff out of

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StackExchange into your Emacs
configuration.

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Let's say you want to do something very
particular

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and you haven't found a way to do so.

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You go on StackExchange.

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You find something that's interesting.

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You add it to your Emacs configuration.

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You barely understand anything that's
going on.

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You know that it's supposed to be Emacs
Lisp.

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"I hardly know Emacs and

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I know even less what is Lisp supposed
to be."

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But you paste it in, and it does what
you want it to do,

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and you say "Great, I'll move on to my
work now."

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So that's how I got started.

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I had a very spartan setup for Emacs,
which a lot of you must know...

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The first time you launch Emacs,

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you have this feeling

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that you're jumping 20 years
back in time,

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as far as the user interface is
concerned.

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But as you get to spend more time with
Emacs...

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Some would call it Stockholm syndrome

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insofar as you can't see

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how spartan the entire thing is,

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but it actually is a lovely prison,
so to speak.

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That's how I got started eight years ago.

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I just wanted to find a way to do my
research properly.

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I wanted to have a tool

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that I could use to write my notes

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in plain text, because I was already

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fairly averse to Microsoft solutions
when it came to taking notes.

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So yeah, I got started in Emacs.

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I read a little bit about what plain
text was about.

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Just to be clear, at the time, yes,

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I was very good with computers,

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but I was not a computer science student.

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I had barely any experience with
programming and coding,

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and I was even less of a hacker
back then.

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It just goes to show you that
at the beginning,

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I had close to no knowledge,

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whether it be about

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the free software world,

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whether it be about...

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Sacha, do you want to say something?

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(Sacha: just confirming, you're not
sharing anything

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on the screen at the moment, right?)

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No, I'm not sharing anything,

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I'm just presenting.

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So when I started,

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I had no experience whatsoever.

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I was just a literature major

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trying to get better at taking notes.

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I stumbled upon LaTeX.

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As many people who stumble upon
LaTeX know,

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you don't just stumble upon LaTeX,

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you embroil yourself in the turmoil of
suffering,

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of late nights tweaking,

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so that your document is exactly

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in the perfect shape you want it to be.

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Soon after, when I got started with
Emacs and LaTeX,

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I discovered something that truly
changed my life,

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and it was Org Mode.

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As you'll get a lot of presentations

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this afternoon about Org Mode,

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I won't be spending too much time on it.

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But Org Mode, for me, was a
revelation. It's...

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There was something that,

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upon reading articles on
how to use Org Mode,

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especially one of the key
articles

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that I'd read which really made

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a huge impact on me

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was the "Organize Your Life in Plain
Text" one,

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which I'm sure many of you must have
stumbled upon

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in your Emacs journey...

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For me, when I stumbled upon this
document,

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I was starting to get interested

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in Getting Things Done and

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all the nitty-gritty stuff about

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organization and self-organization.

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It just felt like everything was under
my fingertips

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to make the perfect workflow.

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There was something incredibly
satisfying about

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having a system that gave you

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so many options to configure your
experience

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exactly how you wanted.

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You had this feeling that

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the people behind Org Mode had thought
of everything,

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whichever small adjustment

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that you needed in workflow

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whether it be more states for your
TODOs,

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whether it be, oh, I want my weeks to

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start on Monday and not on Saturday,

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oh, it's half past one and I need to...

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in the morning, I mean, and I need to make

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sure that the item that I'm marking as done

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is done for the day before

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and not for the current day.

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You see what I'm talking about.

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So many details that were already

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present in Org Mode.

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At first you're really impressed,
because you think, wow,

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they thought of everything,

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but then you realize that it's just a
matter of experience,

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just a matter of people
contributing code,

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because the development of Org Mode,
Emacs,

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and everything is just
open to the public.

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You know, it's like

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everything is being done
with the garage door opened.

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You can just go on Org Mode on Savannah

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and see everything that is being
developed.

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For me, the shift that occurred in my
mind was

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when I was reading all the options,

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I was looking at all the variables

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that I could modify for Org Mode,

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and there came a time, maybe two to
three years ago,

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where I thought, oh wow,

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maybe for the first time in a while,

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there is no option for me to do

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what I want to be doing with Org Mode.

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I believe at the time,

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the key issue that triggered
this reflex for me was

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I wanted to do something with the agenda.

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I wanted to have a super category so,
you know, in the...

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for those of you who know,
in your agenda,

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you have the ability to
have many files,

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and you have the ability to have
categories.

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I wanted somehow to group my

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TODOs in smaller groups, or bigger

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groups, I should say,

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so that, for instance, I could have

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one group for my professional life,

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I could have a group for one work,

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the second work...

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I could have something for university
and all this.

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I thought, yeah, I think I'd like this.

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After having spent so long working

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with Emacs and working with Org Mode,

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I had some ideas about

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what was within the realm of possibility
and what wasn't.

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Here I thought to myself,

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this is definitely something that I can do.

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And so thus started my journey

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into the Org Mode libraries.

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I won't go too much into details
right now,

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because right now, the main objective

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that I have is just to show you

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how simple it is to become a maintainer,

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how to become more involved with the
development.

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The libraries in Org Mode,

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they're written in Elisp, which is a very...

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It might seem like an obscure language,

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and it certainly is,

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but as soon as you get the logic of the
language--and

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what I'm telling you is coming from
someone

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who's never studied programming--

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it made sense.

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Everything is so verbose

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when you get into the code.

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When you learn the rudiments
of Elisp,

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you start getting to the code,

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and you start thinking, wow,

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okay that makes sense,

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and you start developing a logic
for all this.

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So, equipped as I was with this

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new knowledge, I went on my project,

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I went into the Org agenda code,

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and I thought, okay,

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is there anything that I can use to do
my bidding?

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Fast forward maybe two to three weeks of
intense turmoil

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and many nights which were spent
single-mindedly working on this project,

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two weeks after, I had something
that was working,

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and I was pretty happy about it.

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That was a key landmark for me,

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because when that happened,

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it just felt like, okay,

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I can contribute something to Org Mode,

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and I can do something that would
benefit as many people as possible.

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And to me, that was the click.

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That's when it occurred.

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That's when I went on my first project
and I did something

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that felt useful to the community.

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And nowadays, as I told you,

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I maintain packages, but really, nothing
has changed.

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The only thing, maybe, that has changed

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is that I've turned my mind onto other
problems.

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Maybe I've got three more minutes,

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and I'd like to finish by

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maybe something a little different.

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I've told you my Emacs story

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and I hope I've stressed how little
effort it took me

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to move from steps to steps on the
ladder.

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The ladder implies a sense of hierarchy,
but it really isn't.

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Whatever your step on the journey of
Emacs is...

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Some of you might be at the step

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where you're really worried

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about learning Elisp because it feels

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like such a monumental task to be
undertaking

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and you have no experience whatsoever,

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but the thing is,

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maybe you could try climbing this first

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step on the ladder. Maybe you could try,

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if you have any project,

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if you've been using Org Mode,

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maybe one day you thought, "oh, yes,

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I wish I could do this but I can't,"

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or maybe do try to do this,

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maybe do try to change something

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in a major mode that you're using

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and which you feel might be better.

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I think Emacs, Org Mode,

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and all free software in general

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has this tendency to give you this idea

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that I can be a hacker

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in the sense of the term

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that you're modifying things

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to do your bidding.

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For me, I believe this to be

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a very healthy attitude towards
software.

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As Amin said in the very beginning,

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we are doing this entire presentation--

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sorry, this entire conference with
free software.

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Just see all the things

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we've been able to do in free software.

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For me, Emacs was my gateway,
so to speak,

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into how to contribute to free software,

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about the philosophy that surrounds it.

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What I would like to do...

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I'll finish on this note and then

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I'll be taking your questions.

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Just try.

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You've read on Reddit

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that you need to go through the Elisp
manual in Emacs.

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You might be scared, but just do it.
Just give it a shot.

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Just give it maybe one afternoon.

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Try to read it.

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Try to see if this appeals to your mind.

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If you've been interested enough

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in my presentation right now,

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and if you're interested enough in any
of the talks

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you're going to have during the entire
conference,

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do give it a shot.

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I'm pretty sure you will like
the journey

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on which you will be embarking upon.

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So I believe I'm finishing
one minute early,

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but I see quite a bit of questions already.

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I'm not sure. Sacha, should I

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just be reading the questions,

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or do you want to be feeding me the
questions?

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(Amin: It's really up to you.

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It's completely up to you.

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If you've got the questions

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open and can take them or read them,

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by all means, please.)

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Okay, well, I'm going to read them

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because I've got them on the side.

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I'm going to start with the one at the
bottom.

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"Do you feel that being a white male

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contributed to your experience?"

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Yeah. I mean, I do believe...

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There's an idea of privilege.

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I mean, I'm French. I live in...

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I'm lucky enough to be here at
university, okay,

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and I'm fairly aware of the
discrepancies that happen,

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even in France,

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according to this...

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So, yes, I believe my journey

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was heavily influenced by this.

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If you would like to specify the
question, please do,

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but I don't have really all that much to
ask on this.

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"What is your advice to start learning

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Elisp language? Any particularly good

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resource or any other tips?"

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I finished my presentation by telling
you about

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the Elisp introduction which is built
into Emacs.

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What I might do... I'm going to
share my screen

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just to show you how this works.

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I will be sharing this window.

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I believe it's frozen on my end,

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so I can't see anything.

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I'm not sure if you can see me

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or if my camera is moving.

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Okay, so my Firefox is frozen.

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So I'll answer the question,

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but I won't be able to show you what I
wanted to show you.

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There's a built-in guide inside Emacs to
learn Elisp.

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Maybe the best chance that you have

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is just to go open these info pages.

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I'm sure someone will be kind enough to

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mention this to you in the #emacsconf
channel on IRC

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but it's probably the best way

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to get started with Elisp.

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You know, we tend to get obsessed,

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with software and with programming,

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about what's the best way to get
started.

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You see so many people who are heavily
interested

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in getting started with programming

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but they never managed to get started

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because there's so much choice.

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My advice would be to just get started.

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Don't get so worried about the first step.

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Well, if I may still recommend
the first step,

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even after saying this,

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do try to start with the built-in
guides.

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I believe they're pretty, pretty good.

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There was another question.

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It's the last question that I can read

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and after that, you will have to

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read the questions for me because
everything is frozen on my end.

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I hope I'm not frozen in a very bad
position,

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so please excuse me if my mouth is open
or anything.

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(Amin: no, we just completely lost the
video feed, so no worries.)

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Oh, splendid, so I won't have to make a
fool out of myself.

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So the last question I wanted to answer was

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"Have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic
Detective Agency?"

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No, I haven't. I hope it's not a jab at
the way I'm dressing for the conference,

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but yeah, I haven't read it. Was there
any other question?

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(Amin: I see one other question.

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"Any recommendation for good packaging
guides or places to start?

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I get a bit overwhelmed by some things.

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For example, the choice of different test
frameworks.")

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Right. Okay. So that's a very good
question.

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I believe alphapapa is in the chat right
now.

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As myself a new Lisp developer for
org-roam,

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I'd really recommend you to look into

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his package developers' guide,

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because you have a list of
all the softwares

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that are extremely useful to
be using when

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you're getting started.

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If you're looking into a first step

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for how to develop elisp packages,

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I'd really advise you to

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look into edebug.

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It's one word, edebug,

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and you have a section in the
manual for this,

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because for me, it was the key step to

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getting to develop good packages.

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It was understanding basically
what the code did

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and having us something like

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a REPL (read-evaluate-print-loop)

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that allows you to step through the code

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and see exactly which states

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the variables are at which at this point

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in the program. That's really my biggest
advice to you.

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Any other question? Thanks. Yeah, I see
one or two more.

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So there's one. They ask, "How did the
freedom of Emacs help you on your way?"

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So the freedom of Emacs...

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I mentioned that Emacs, for me,
was my gateway

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into free software

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and the freedom of Emacs

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was that you could maybe...

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First and foremost,

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compared to other software,

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was that you had behind Emacs, Elisp,

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which allows you to read the code,

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read whatever is going on in the
background.

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Surely, if you go deep enough,

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you'll end up in C functions that you
might not be able to read

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if you do not have the experience.

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But for Org Mode, which was my gateway
into Emacs,

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most of it is written in Elisp,

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and all the commands have a
very verbose name,

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like something simple as

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org go to next subtree or

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org go to a parent subtree. You know,
things like this.

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It's so elegant. It's verbose.

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That's a sense of freedom

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insofar as you can go into
the code and see,

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oh, okay, that's how it's implemented.

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I believe in a way that's the freedom

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and the liberty that is given to you

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to look into the code

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is something that invites you

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to do the same with your life.

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As someone who does a little bit of
philosophy on the side,

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I believe it's a very healthy message

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to be gathering from a piece of software.

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(Amin: Awesome, thank you.

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Let's see... So we have...

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I think I saw another question pop up.)

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I'm not sure how we're doing as far

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as time is concerned... I believe we

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have like one or two minutes more.

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(Amin: Yeah, actually, we're quite a bit

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ahead of the schedule, so if we take a

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little bit longer, we're fine.

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If you do have more questions, please
do.)

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I'm just sorry that my video is not
working anymore.

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(Amin: No problem. Someone was actually
saying...

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What's the most recent... Actually, yeah
well before that.

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"Please show off your three-piece suit
before you end your talk,

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which requires fixing your frozen camera.

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If this is not possible,

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please post suit selfies in an easily
accessible location."

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Okay, I'll make sure to do this.

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But yes, I wanted to hype things up for
the conference,

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so yes, I did get the three-piece suit out.

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I'm very glad you like it.

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By the way, when you get

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a chance to see me live again,

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do appreciate that my tie has both the

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colors of Emacs purple

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and also Org Mode green.

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It took me a while to find this one,

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so I hope you will appreciate this.

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(Amin: Awesome. Let's see.

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We have one other question. "What's the

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most recent Emacs package or tool that

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you've discovered that you've added to
your repertoire?")

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Very interesting question.

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The thing is, when you've spent as long
as I have on Emacs--

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and I know that I've only spent

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eight years and some of you

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might have spent maybe 10, 20,

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maybe even more years on Emacs--

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but for me, I believe the coolest neat
trick that I found in Emacs

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was a mode which is called beacon-mode.

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It's something that allows you to show

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when you're jumping between buffers

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or when you're dropping between windows,

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it shows exactly where your point is in
that buffer

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by making a slight ray of light which
looks like a beacon, hence the name.

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It really helps you navigate buffers

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because it always shows

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in a very visual way
where your point is.

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I'll get a chance to show this to you
later today

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when I'll be presenting my other talks.

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(Amin: Awesome. We have one question
from Jonas, the maintainer of Magit.

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He asks, "When you touched your webcam,

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that blew a fuse at my place.

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How did you do that?")

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Well, I'm very sorry, Jonas,

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that it happened to you, but I'll make
sure not to touch my webcam again.

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(Amin: Do we have any other questions?)

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I have to trust you on this one.

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I'm really sorry. Everything is frozen
on my end.

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(Amin: No problem.) Yeah I'm more
talking to the audience, I guess.

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I hope my lack of slides didn't bother
you.

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I really wanted to have this verbose
time with people,

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to be able to...

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It's a message that I've been trying

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to share with as many people as possible.

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In France, we do have an Emacs workshop

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that we have on a monthly basis.

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I've been learning a lot

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with those people and I felt like

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doing the same with Emacs conference

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would be good. That's why I'm
really happy,

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and I'm really lucky to have had

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the chance to do this today.

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I hope some of you, I've convinced you

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of climbing up a step on a ladder

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or making a step in a journey.

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(Amin: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo.

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I happen to completely agree

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with your not necessarily using a slide

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when it's not really needed

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and to help give some face-to-face time

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with the audience.

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Unfortunately, your webcam cut out,

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but I mean before that.)

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Yes, I'll make sure to fix
the problems later on,

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so don't worry about it.

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(Amin: Awesome. Alrighty. I guess we're

00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:08.000
wrapping up for your talk and getting
ready for the next talk.)

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:09.538
Sure. Well, thank you so much.

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I'll see you all later, I suppose!

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(Amin: Sounds good. Thank you again, Leo. Bye-bye)