# Moving from Jekyll to OrgMode, an experience report
Adolfo Villafiorita
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I have been a long time user of static site generators, such as
Jekyll.
I recently discovered Org Mode's publishing features and started
appreciating flexibility and capabilities, especially when literate
programming comes into play to generate "dynamic" content.
In this talk/tutorial I will present the challenges I faced and how I
finally moved my homepage and the University of Trento's Computational
Logic website to Org Mode.
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# Questions
## Opinion on Firn (<https://github.com/theiceshelf/firn>)?
## Do you discuss this in a blog as well? Where could I find more about it?
Talk and content will be published later after the conference. Will be
available on the talk page.
## Could you please paste your URLs in the notes below? (link to your site etc).
The source repository of the first website (my homepage) lives here:
<https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/home> and the output is:
<https://www.ict4g.net/adolfo/>.
The source repository of the second website (Computational Logic)
lives here: <https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/cl-2020> and the
output is: <http://datascientia.education/cl-2020>.
The talk, code and links are now availble here:
<https://www.ict4g.net/adolfo/notes/emacsconf-2020/index.html>.
<https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/home> has the source code for the
website.
# Notes
- Main reason: Org has better support for literate programming.
- Org mode files support in Jekyll - <https://emacs.cc/jekyll-org/>.
- Mentioned: <http://juanjose.garciaripoll.com/blog/org-mode-html-templates/index.html> (org-html).
- Other static webpage generators: <https://github.com/novoid/lazyblorg/wiki/Similar-Projects>.
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# Transcript
00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.120 Adolfo: Okay, excellent. Hello, everyone
and nice meeting you. Let me thank the the organizer for all the
organization and all the work they are doing to support us. My name is
Adolfo Villafiorita. I'm teaching at the University of Trento. I will
shortly be working at shared.tech, which is a non-profit organization
developing applications to recover surplus food.
00:00:35.680 --> 00:00:38.600 The reason of the talk today and the
reason I'm here today is to talk about my experience in moving from
Jekyll static website generator to Org Mode. The reason I moved to Org
Mode is to have better support for literate programming on the
websites at the University of Trento, where we make available the
content for the the students.
00:01:04.720 --> 00:01:08.900 First of all, what is a static website
generator? It is basically a tool which allows you to generate HTML
files out of text files containing basically two types of information:
metadata and content.
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Metadata is a
set of key pairs describing the
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content of the file, such as the title,
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author, tags, and so on and so forth.
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The content is what you actually
want to
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get published on the Internet in
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the HTML file.
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Usually the content is written in
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some kind of markup language,
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such as Markdown or possibly
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Org Mode. Jekyll is a very
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popular static website generator.
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It is written in Ruby.
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What it does: it systematically
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transforms all the input files
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by making the content into
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HTML and systematically applying a
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template in order to generate the
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HTML files, which you can then deploy
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on your server of choice to make them
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available on the Internet.
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One of the features most--
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well, I would say all
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static website generators have
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is that of being able to
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collect the metadata information
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of the files being part of
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your project.
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The reason they do that is because
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you sometimes want to generate pages
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based on the content
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of your projects,
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such as, for instance, the list of
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posts you have recently published, or
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maybe the list of tags
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you have defined for your post,
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and so on and so forth.
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Jekyll gives the possibility of
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generating this kind of dynamic
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content by using Liquid,
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which is a templating language which
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looks like this.
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So basically, you have all the
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constructs you can
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expect in a programming language.
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This, for instance,
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is a for cycle which
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iterates over all the posts or the
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files in a specific directory of the
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Jekyll project.
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For each post, it takes the title
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and the URL and generates a link.
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So Jekyll is nice and sweet,
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but over the years
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I started using more and more
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systematically
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Org Mode to write all my files.
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I moved from Markdown to Org Mode
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I am a long time Emacs user.
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I've been using Emacs for 30 years now,
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so Org Mode is a more recent discovery,
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but it is a very nice discovery I made.
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The reason I like Org Mode
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is because, for instance, you can write
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formulas using MathJax
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and you can generate diagrams
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or plots with Gnuplot.
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Also important is the fact that you have
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the possibility of publishing
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your documents to multiple backends
such as PDF,
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or maybe a Reveal presentation,
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or HTML. This is all made possible
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by Babel, which is
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exactly what we just saw in the
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previous talk:
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Namely, the possibility of executing a
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snippet of code
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embedded in in your pages.
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Our model can also be used
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within Jekyll. In fact,
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there is a a nice gem, a nice library,
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called jekyll-org which allows you
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to use Org Mode files directly
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into jekyll. But when you start using
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Org Mode... When I started using
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Org Mode, I realized I could move
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all my workflow, all my publishing
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workflow to Emacs.
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In fact, Org Mode is also a
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static website generator because
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it has got the possibility of publishing
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projects made of Org Mode files.
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One of the nice things about
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the publishing features of Org Mode
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is that it allows you to define in the
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org-publish-project-alist,
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all the the components
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which are part of your project.
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In a sense, it is
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also more flexible than Jekyll,
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because it also allows you, for instance,
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to publish a single file rather
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than having to recompile everything
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every time you want to publish your
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your project to your website.
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However, there are some short comments
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I would say, or some areas
of improvement.
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The first is that support for
templating
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is not so obvious as it is
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in Jekyll, even though there are some
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nice extensions such as org-thtml,
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for instance, which allows you to use
templates.
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More important to me was the fact that
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apparently, there is little support for
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the creation of dynamic content
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So I was very curious
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and very keen to use
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Org Mode for publishing my blog
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and the courses at the university,
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but then I had to find a way
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to being able to publish these
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dynamic pages, finding some kind of
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replacement, so to speak,
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for the liquid engine.
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The solution was there at hand,
actually, because
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basically, I realized I could use Babel
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for exactly this purpose. Rather than
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using Babel for generating
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plots or my other computations
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or whatever I was using them for,
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I realized I could use Babel to
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generate HTML which could be
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then published in the project
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All I needed to do then
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was defining some kind of functions,
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some kind of code in order to read
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the metadata of all
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the Org Mode files of my web project,
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so that I could then publish--
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generate the dynamic content.
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This is a snippet taken from
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one of my HTML projects,
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which basically shows the way in which
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I generate the list of posts on
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my page. It is exactly how the
Liquid that we saw
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a couple of slides earlier that
looks like
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in Org Mode.
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Basically, what I'm doing...
I'm using...
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I wrote a Ruby script which
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reads all the metadata. So this
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highlighted code
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basically loads the script
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which is stored externally.
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Then it collects all the
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metadata from the
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Org Mode files in the
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current directory.
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And then the following... The code
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you can see here
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basically iterates over all the
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posts read at the previous step.
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It generates
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a list with the title
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and the URLS, basically
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replicating what Jekyll does.
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There are some other things
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I have to deal with in order to
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accommodate my workflow. But that was
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relatively easy in the sense that one of
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the problems, one of the issues I had to
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solve was that of having
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a common navigation on all my
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pages. That was easily solved
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using the #+INCLUDE feature.
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So I basically
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made available
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an #+INCLUDE with all the navigation
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which is embedded in all the pages of
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my websites
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through the #+INCLUDE.
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Another nice feature which
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Jekyll has is the possibility of
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previewing a website before deploying it.
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Emacs also has got a node which allows
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you to launch a web server. In fact,
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I wrote a quick hack
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which allows you to
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invoke a node on an Org Mode
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project, start a local preview,
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and then use rsync
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in order to deploy the the website.
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Five minutes left. More than
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enough. Okay.
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Thanks. Thank you, thank you very much.
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I'm nearly done. So then I can take
some questions.
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Just to give you maybe
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a slightly more in-depth
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view of what the pages look like,
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so these are
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one of the pages, or the source files
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of one of the websites. It is
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in literate programming. Basically,
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you see there is some metadata here.
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I mean this is a regular Org Mode file.
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This part here
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basically defines some common options
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for publication.
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These two includes here
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put some extra HTML in the head part and
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the navigation. Here, as you can see,
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is the code generating the
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the list in chronological order. It is
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slightly more complex than the example I
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made in the slide
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because there is some more
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elaboration to do, including
putting some
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Javascript to identify
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according to the tags.
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To go back to the presentation...
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I managed this migration
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a few months ago,
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and then all my workflow is within
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Org Mode and within Emacs.
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I'm very happy with it because it's
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simplified quite a bit
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my publication process.
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One of the advantages... Another
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advantage... So the first advantage is that
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everything is in Org Mode and Emacs.
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Second advantage
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is that everything is based on the
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standard machinery provided by Org Mode.
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So in a sense, it is
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more robust with respect to
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dependencies, possible errors, and so
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on and so forth.
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The fact that Org Mode
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allows you to publish
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a single file in a project is also
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very interesting because
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it allows to be more robust to
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problems you might introduce when
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you're changing--when I'm changing the
setup.
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Another interesting thing which I
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realized that I could have is that
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in a sense, the specification of the
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website can be embedded in the website
itself.
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In a sense this is some kind of
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self-documenting...
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It's a way of self-documenting
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what I'm actually doing.
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For instance, here on my website,
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you can see the
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specification of the
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project which is loaded
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from my initialization file,
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but then it is also published
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together with my home page. It lives
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with the repository where
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I keep all the sources of my website,
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which is kind of nice because it
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basically isolates
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everything in a single place.
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So there are some examples. I'm
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showing them more because of the
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source code which
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you can grab from the git repositories
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if you are interested.
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Of course I'm also available
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to provide some support and help
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if you are interested
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in this kind of stuff.
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The the next step for me will be that of
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trying, making this kind of
machinery available
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for more general use at the moment.
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If you are interested in trying out my
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suggestion, grabbing the
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sources for one of the websites
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to seehow they look like,
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and maybe try and
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customize it for your purposes...
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This is basically the content of my talk.
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I'm open to questions and thank you
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for your attention.
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(Amin: Thank you very much, Adolfo, for your
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awesome presentation.
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I think we have time for maybe like
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one or two questions,
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and then the rest maybe you could
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take up after the stream.)
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Adolfo: What should we do?
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(Amin: Would you like me
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to read you the questions?)
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Adolfo: Yeah, probably better because
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I'm kind of lost there.
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(Amin: Okay, no problem.
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So someone asks, "Do you have any
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opinion on Firn?")
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Adolfo: Firn. I don't know Firn,
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so I'll give it a try
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and check it out.
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(Amin: Thanks. People are also asking,
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do you discuss this, for example, in a blog
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or anywhere else they could find more
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about it?)
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Adolfo: Oh yes. I'm going to publish the
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the talk and the content
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on my website, and then I'll link it from
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the EmacsConf conference
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so that it will be easier for
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people to to reach it
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I will shortly make it
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available right after the conference.
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(Amin: Wonderful. I think that's all
for the questions.
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Thank you very much.)
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Adolfo: Thank you very much. Thank you.
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(Amin: Cheers.) Adolfo: Bye, cheers. (Amin: Bye.)
