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# Transcript
[[!template text="""Hello everyone. I'm Robin Templeton, and I'm going to talk""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about Emacs Beguiled and recent progress on the Guile-Emacs""" start="00:00:03.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""project.""" start="00:00:07.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""First of all, if you're not familiar with Guile, it's an""" start="00:00:13.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementation of the Scheme programming language, which""" start="00:00:16.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is a dialect of Lisp, and in the same family as Emacs Lisp, and""" start="00:00:20.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile is GNU's official extension language. The goal of""" start="00:00:24.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the Guile-Emacs project is to use Guile as the basis for""" start="00:00:28.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs's Lisp support. It has two main components: a new""" start="00:00:32.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp compiler built on top of Guile, and a variant of""" start="00:00:37.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs in which the built-in Lisp implementation is""" start="00:00:41.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""entirely replaced with Guile Elisp. We expect the""" start="00:00:45.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""combination of these two projects to have several""" start="00:00:50.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""benefits. One is improved performance. Another is""" start="00:00:53.440" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""increased expressiveness for Elisp and making it easier to""" start="00:00:58.000" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""extend and experiment with the language. Finally, it""" start="00:01:03.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will reduce Emacs's reliance on C for two reasons. Guile will""" start="00:01:07.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be responsible for the language implementation, so Emacs""" start="00:01:13.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will no longer have to include a Lisp interpreter. It""" start="00:01:16.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""will also become possible to implement much more of Emacs in""" start="00:01:21.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lisp than is currently feasible. Of course, this raises""" start="00:01:25.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the question of why Guile is suitable for this project. And""" start="00:01:30.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""we chose Guile for a few reasons. Guile is primarily a Scheme""" start="00:01:34.120" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementation, but it also has built-in support for""" start="00:01:38.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""multiple languages using its compiler tower. To add""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""support for a new language to Guile, you only have to write a""" start="00:01:44.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""compiler from the source language to Tree-IL, which is""" start="00:01:50.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""essentially a low-level, minimal representation of""" start="00:01:53.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Scheme. All of Guile's compiler optimizations occur at the""" start="00:01:57.440" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Tree-IL layer or lower, so you don't need to worry about the""" start="00:02:02.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""lower-level details of the compiler when initially""" start="00:02:07.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementing your language. Guile also has some Lisp""" start="00:02:10.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""features that are very rare in Scheme implementations. For""" start="00:02:14.640" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""example, it has a nil value that counts as both false and an""" start="00:02:18.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""empty list, just like in Elisp, and it also has a version of""" start="00:02:22.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the Common Lisp Object System and its metaobject protocol,""" start="00:02:27.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""which is called GOOPS.""" start="00:02:32.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""The idea of Guile-Emacs has a pretty long history, going back""" start="00:02:37.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""at least three decades. There have been about half a dozen""" start="00:02:42.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""previous implementation attempts. But the current""" start="00:02:45.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""iteration began with a series of six Summer of Code""" start="00:02:48.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""internships: Daniel Kraft's in 2009, and then my""" start="00:02:51.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""internships from 2010 to 2014. My basic implementation""" start="00:02:56.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""strategy was pretty straightforward. I implemented a core""" start="00:03:02.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""subset of Elisp, which was enough to run some batch mode""" start="00:03:06.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""programs outside of Emacs. In Emacs, I modified the garbage""" start="00:03:09.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""collector and the data structures for Lisp objects to use""" start="00:03:15.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""their libguile equivalents. I replaced Emacs' Lisp""" start="00:03:19.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""evaluator with the one provided by Guile Elisp.""" start="00:03:24.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""After a little over a year of work, at the end of the 2014""" start="00:03:32.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""internship, I ended up with a fully functional prototype of""" start="00:03:35.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile-Emacs. It used Guile Elisp alone as its Lisp""" start="00:03:41.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementation and was completely compatible with Emacs""" start="00:03:46.040" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""functionality and with external extensions. One caveat""" start="00:03:53.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""was that performance was pretty bad, because I was focused""" start="00:03:57.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""on correctness, as well as ease of integration with the""" start="00:04:01.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs C code. But it was nonetheless a major milestone for""" start="00:04:05.640" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the project. Let's take just a moment to look at""" start="00:04:10.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile-Elisp.""" start="00:04:15.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For starters, we have access to Guile modules. If we call""" start="00:04:19.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile's <i>version</i> function, we can see that we're running""" start="00:04:23.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""under Guile 3.0. We have access to some of the numeric tower via""" start="00:04:26.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the arithmetic functions. We also have multiple values. We""" start="00:04:33.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""have to be careful to use Guile's <i>values</i> procedure here, not""" start="00:04:41.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the CL library's, but you can see that this works properly""" start="00:04:45.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""rather than being an emulation. Finally, we have tail""" start="00:04:48.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""call elimination. Naturally, we're going to use factorial""" start="00:04:52.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to demonstrate it. If <i>n</i> is zero, return the answer, else""" start="00:04:58.000" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""recurse with <i>n</i> less one and <i>n</i> times <i>a</i>.""" start="00:05:07.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Of course, this definition works correctly, but it gets""" start="00:05:14.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""more interesting if we communicate the answer with an""" start="00:05:17.120" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""error,""" start="00:05:21.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in order to look at a backtrace. You can see here that there are no""" start="00:05:27.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""calls to <i>fact</i> visible in between the request to evaluate and""" start="00:05:32.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the error communicating the answer. That's because""" start="00:05:37.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""this tail call has been optimized into effectively a goto.""" start="00:05:42.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This is essential for any kind of serious functional""" start="00:05:53.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""programming.""" start="00:05:55.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""That's a peek at Guile-Elisp. In 2015, I left university""" start="00:06:00.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""to go work on web technologies, and the project was dormant""" start="00:06:05.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""for a very long time. But that's been changing recently.""" start="00:06:09.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""During the last few months, I've been working with Larry""" start="00:06:14.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Valkama to rebase Guile-Emacs onto the development branch""" start="00:06:17.040" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of upstream Emacs, including the past decade's worth of""" start="00:06:23.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""upstream development. What we've ended up with is a series""" start="00:06:28.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of rebases onto different versions of Emacs. The older ones""" start="00:06:33.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""tend to work pretty well. The newer ones have increasingly""" start="00:06:38.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""bad problems where they haven't been properly adjusted for""" start="00:06:44.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""changes in the Emacs implementation. But we do have by now a""" start="00:06:49.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""version of Emacs 30 which boots correctly and can be used for""" start="00:06:55.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""interactive debugging, as well as the ability to bisect the""" start="00:06:58.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""revisions of Emacs and find out where regressions were""" start="00:07:04.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""introduced. Our immediate goal is of course to complete""" start="00:07:08.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the rebase. At the same time, we want to improve Guile Elisp's""" start="00:07:13.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""performance to at least be competitive with ordinary Emacs""" start="00:07:19.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Lisp. Just to characterize the performance situation,""" start="00:07:22.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile Elisp is usually about half as fast as ordinary Elisp,""" start="00:07:29.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""while Guile Scheme is quite often an order of magnitude""" start="00:07:34.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""faster than ordinary Elisp, and that's based on micro""" start="00:07:37.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""benchmarks like the Gabriel benchmarks. But there's""" start="00:07:43.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""clearly a lot of room to improve our compiler's output.""" start="00:07:47.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""If you want to mark your calendars, we're expecting to have a""" start="00:07:52.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""usable version of Guile-Emacs 30 out sometime next spring. We're""" start="00:07:57.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""also going to put some effort into either extracting old""" start="00:08:04.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""work or doing new work that could be contributed upstream.""" start="00:08:06.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""On the Guile side, we'll probably start out with optimizing""" start="00:08:13.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the dynamic binding facilities, which are used very seldom""" start="00:08:17.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""in Scheme, but are used all the time in traditional Lisp""" start="00:08:22.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""dialects. On the Emacs side, we'll be working initially on""" start="00:08:27.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""abstracting away the details of the Lisp implementation""" start="00:08:31.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""where they're not relevant. And that will clean up the Emacs""" start="00:08:35.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""code base a bit. It'll make it easier to integrate Emacs and""" start="00:08:40.000" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile Elisp. It will probably be helpful for anyone who""" start="00:08:44.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""is working on ordinary Elisp on their own.""" start="00:08:49.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We're also going to be adding new features to Emacs Lisp.""" start="00:08:51.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We've seen a few of them already. The numeric tower, tail""" start="00:08:57.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""call optimization, Common Lisp compatibility. We're also""" start="00:09:01.640" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going to provide access to Fibers, which is a Guile library""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""based on ideas from Concurrent ML that provides much more""" start="00:09:10.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""powerful facilities for concurrent and parallel""" start="00:09:14.640" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""programming than what Emacs currently offers.""" start="00:09:17.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This plan meets Guile-Emacs' basic goals, and it's work""" start="00:09:20.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that we could maybe get integrated upstream in a reasonable""" start="00:09:33.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""amount of time. But it's also worth considering what more we""" start="00:09:36.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""can do, and what effect Guile-Emacs might have on Emacs if it""" start="00:09:41.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""becomes simply Emacs.""" start="00:09:47.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""For context, the amount of C code in Emacs has increased by""" start="00:09:49.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""around 50% in the last decade, and now it constitutes around""" start="00:09:54.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""a quarter of the code base. C can be a bit of a barrier to""" start="00:09:58.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""customizing and extending Emacs. For example, there are""" start="00:10:06.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""about 1500 C subroutines. Around 500 are used in C code, as""" start="00:10:13.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""well as available to Lisp code, and being written in C means""" start="00:10:20.440" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that they can't be practically redefined. The use of C can""" start="00:10:26.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""become a barrier to extending Emacs or customizing its""" start="00:10:31.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""behavior. We might consider writing as much of Emacs as""" start="00:10:35.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""possible in Lisp. One way to speed up this process would""" start="00:10:40.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be to provide a Common Lisp implementation for Guile. Note""" start="00:10:46.040" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that between Guile Elisp and Guile Scheme, we have all of""" start="00:10:52.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""the essential ingredients for a Common Lisp environment.""" start="00:10:56.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can also share code with other Common Lisp""" start="00:10:58.840" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""implementations such as SBCL and SICL. Overall, the""" start="00:11:03.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""duration of the project will be better measured in months""" start="00:11:12.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""rather than years, despite Common Lisp's reputation for""" start="00:11:15.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""being a large language. This could have multiple uses, of""" start="00:11:19.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""course. It could be a model for future improvements to""" start="00:11:23.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Elisp, because Elisp and CL can interact directly without""" start="00:11:29.200" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""problems. And it would be very easy for Elisp to borrow""" start="00:11:38.400" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""language features from Common Lisp. But for the purpose of a""" start="00:11:41.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""C to Lisp transition, it would also provide us with instant""" start="00:11:45.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""access to a huge number of high-quality libraries for""" start="00:11:49.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""things that Guile is not necessarily equipped to deal with,""" start="00:11:52.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""such as access to low-level Windows APIs, as well as lots of""" start="00:11:58.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""other libraries, such as interfaces to GUI toolkits for a""" start="00:12:03.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""variety of operating systems.""" start="00:12:08.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""At a certain point, this has technical advantages. If""" start="00:12:12.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""most of Emacs is written in Lisp, then we could consider""" start="00:12:21.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""using Guile Hoot to compile Emacs to WebAssembly, making it""" start="00:12:26.120" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""available perhaps in web browsers or on systems with the""" start="00:12:30.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""WebAssembly System Interface. But it would also be a great""" start="00:12:35.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""victory for practical software freedom. That's the idea""" start="00:12:40.680" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that Freedom One, the freedom to study and modify programs,""" start="00:12:44.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should not just be legally and technically possible, but""" start="00:12:48.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""should be actively encouraged by our computing""" start="00:12:52.040" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""environments. Emacs is really one of the archetypal""" start="00:12:54.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""examples of this, but we can and should go further.""" start="00:12:58.960" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""When Emacs is implemented primarily in Lisp, the entirety""" start="00:13:02.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""of the system will be transparent to examination and open to""" start="00:13:10.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""modification. Every part of Emacs will be instantaneously""" start="00:13:14.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""inspectable, redefinable, and debuggable.""" start="00:13:20.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""do with Emacs extensions. For example, one experiment I'd""" start="00:13:30.560" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""be interested in is using the Common Lisp Interface Manager""" start="00:13:36.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""as the basis for Emacs's user interface. Screwlisp is""" start="00:13:40.320" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""giving a talk about McCLIM later today, but for present""" start="00:13:46.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""purposes, just think of it as a super-powered version of""" start="00:13:52.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Emacs's concept of interactive functions. It would be a""" start="00:13:55.920" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""pretty long-term project in Emacs as it currently exists,""" start="00:14:01.280" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""but it would be almost trivial if Emacs were customizable at""" start="00:14:04.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""We'll certainly be looking at the practicality of these""" start="00:14:11.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""kinds of changes as we continue developing Guile-Emacs.""" start="00:14:19.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
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[[!template text="""Emacs? One way to help is just by trying it out and letting us""" start="00:14:31.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""know what your experiences are like. There will be a""" start="00:14:36.000" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""snapshot available on the Codeberg project site of the""" start="00:14:40.520" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""version that I'm using to give this presentation. It will be""" start="00:14:44.080" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""available both as a Guix package and as a portable tarball.""" start="00:14:48.760" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""This will be more interesting as we get closer to a complete""" start="00:14:52.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""rebase. We're also always happy to talk to potential""" start="00:14:58.800" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""contributors or potential collaborators from other""" start="00:15:05.480" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""projects.""" start="00:15:10.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""We can always use bug reports, and we're interested in what""" start="00:15:11.600" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""kind of features people actually want to see in Guile-Emacs.""" start="00:15:18.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Guile-Emacs is also being developed by a small worker""" start="00:15:21.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""cooperative, so donations are a pretty direct way to""" start="00:15:27.360" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""support the project. If you do nothing else, I recommend""" start="00:15:32.160" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""going to the website and subscribing to our mailing lists so""" start="00:15:36.040" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""that you can keep up with news on the project. If you're""" start="00:15:40.720" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""watching this at EmacsConf, there will be a Q&A session""" start="00:15:45.880" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""immediately following this, and thanks for watching!""" start="00:15:49.240" video="mainVideo-guile" id="subtitle"]]
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