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I'm doing well. Thank you so much. I was supposed to chat and

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write down stuff in the etherpad, but you guys accommodated

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me very nicely, swiftly, efficiently, in spite of my quirky

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last minute requests. Yeah, but that's okay because, well,

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it's funny that you talk about accommodating you and doing

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all the things we need to do because, frankly, your talk is

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about getting things done and you've mentioned the book,

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obviously, but the philosophy of getting things done is

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ultimately what we've been applying with Emacs Conf so that

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when we have curveballs thrown at us, like you've done right

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now, we can accommodate them because we made sure that

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everything else was done. So we'll move to questions and I

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invite viewers to go to the pad, to the etherpad that is on IRC

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and also on the talk page and put your questions over there.

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But first I wanted to make sure, Bala, that if you had

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anything that you could not include in your presentation,

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just to give you some time to mention them now if you want. I

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think I mentioned most of what I wanted to convey. I wanted to

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keep it general with whichever format people are

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comfortable with, whether it's Org Mode, whether it's

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plain text, whether it is docx. In fact, I was speaking to one

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of my friends and he said, Hey, I use Google Sheets to note

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down everything, all the tasks that are coming. I said, suit

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yourself, whatever it is. So, in that way, this methodology

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or whatever, the way which we follow is quite flexible. The

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system is quite flexible in whichever way you want to use it.

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go ahead and use it. But start emptying your teacup. That

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will be my first and foremost. I have nothing else to add per

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se. Okay, cool. So we'll start with the first question and

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I'll be reading the questions to you. And just so we know, we

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have about eight minutes of Q&A until we need to move to the

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next talk. All right, so first question.

NOTE Q: What is TRIZ?

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What is TRIZ? Okay,

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this is a Russian methodology. It's pardon my, I mean poor

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Russian, but it translates to theory of inventive problem

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solving. So, that's what it translates to. What it is, is it

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is said that all the inventions problem solved so far in

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humanity. If you can categorize them, they fall into

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exactly 40 principles. That's one of the core tenets in

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theory of inventive problem solving. Also, that creative

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people have a process they follow. and in defining a problem

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and solving a problem. So, this is what I was trained in a

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company that I work for and I started using it and started

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applying it. So, creative process starts with defining a

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problem and solving a problem in a very systematic manner

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and you can be as creative as the creatives that we know about

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as the methodology talks about. So, that is what TRIZ is,

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Theory of Inventive Problem Solving. There is lot of open

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source literature like we have in Emacs. It is the same way

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with TRIZ, people share very generous and you can learn

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about it. what it can be useful for what in the core of our talk

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also is that many times we face conflicts, that is, I don't

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want to spend a lot of time, you know, figuring out a system

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like this. However, I want everything in one place, you

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know, how can that happen? So start little by little is one

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suggestion I have. Don't And this is also a contradiction we

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have, right? So, we need to spend a lot of time to set up things

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before we can start organizing our life. But there's not a

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lot of time because we haven't organized our life. So, we

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don't have that's a conundrum or a contradiction. That's

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what TRIZ methodology is about to identify that this is a

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contradiction and we have to resolve it not compromise. So,

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resolve it in a manner that gives you enough time to set up a

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system and enough time, free time to enjoy your life or focus

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on a project and be present when you're working with

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something. So, that's what the crux of the methodology is.

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Okay, splendid answer. Thank you. Moving on to the next one.

NOTE Q: Do you agree that learning similar but different things again and again is ultimately wasted bandwidth? What can we do as technologists to push back against this?

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Thank you for this talk. Very interesting. One of the things

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that frustrates me about modern web development is the rate

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of churn when it comes to useful knowledge. I think Emacs can

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help to counteract against this by building lasting tools

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where mastery can be built. Do you agree that learning

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similar but different things again and again is ultimately

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wasted bandwidth? What can we do as technologists to push

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back against this? Yeah, this is an interesting one

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because, I mean, I'm like everyone else where a new package

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shows up. I mentioned that in my talk also, the first

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introduction. Sajajo's newsletter is amazing. It has all

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these new things coming up and new developments coming up.

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Same thing with web dev, I guess, you have new things coming

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up. So you want to learn that new thing. However, you need to

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also be aware that there are so many other projects and

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hobbies or life that's also waiting for you. And it's not a

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balancing act, but if you if you pay attention and be present

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and give whatever is in front of you, it's full attention.

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Then look back and connect. That's an interesting way,

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because hindsight is 20 20. Use it to your advantage. So my I

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don't know, I don't want to push back against this because

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some of it is just amazing because it thinks that you think is

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a waste of time and it's a distraction right now. could

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potentially be. I'm not saying it will be because there are

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things that are truly a waste of time that could truly

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potentially tie back to something and be really helpful.

NOTE org-mode export, CSS, WeasyPrint

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I can give you an example from our Emacs part of my life. I was

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experimenting with CSS and Cascade style sheets and how I

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can customize it to use it in org mode export. For me at the

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time, it seemed like a waste of time. I was spending so much

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time. Then I parked it. I didn't do much about it later. But

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then one of my students said, "Your slides are too bulky for me

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to scroll through to get to exactly what I am looking for."

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I was using the reveal HTML and I used to pass on the link

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before. And the student sort of hinted at a handout. And now

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that's not easy with the RevealJS framework. It's rather

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tricky. At least I couldn't figure it out. but then it

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occurred to me that, hey, wait a second i've already looked at

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this CSS thing and maybe that'll help. It did help. I can

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drop in the name of the tool that I use now.

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It's called WeasyPrint uh let me use the uh

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i don't know if some...

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If you can look it up, W-E-A-S-Y print.

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That's what it's called. And that's

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mighty useful. That's really, really useful. You can

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customize it. You can change everything. I think I can even,

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I'll probably even share the code later on. It's really

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useful and I've been able to, so what seemed like a waste of

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time is actually something that became useful later on. But

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there are several other things I have truly wasted and it's

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not been useful because I couldn't connect the dots. So,

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perhaps the, let's say, wasteful of time so that you look at

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something and see how to connect back like the Zettelkasten

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that everybody talks about. I do not use it, but I like the

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idea that you look at it keeping in mind that you could

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probably connect to something later on. Perhaps, just try

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it out. OK, great, Bala. Sadly, we are a little short on time

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to answer all the questions that we have. I see three

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questions currently that can still be answered, and I don't

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think any of them would be answerable within just one

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minute. So what I suggest we do, Bala, feel free. Do you have

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access to the pad on your end? Yes, I do. I do. I have it here.

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Okay, cool. I'm putting the link on BBB just in case you need

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to review it.

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We're going to leave the room open. By the way,

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if anyone in the crowd wants to join so that they can ask the

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question directly with their voice to Bala, feel free to do

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so. The links are on the website. But Bala, if no one shows up,

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if you could just answer the three questions that we haven't

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covered yet, actually. Well, three questions because

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Sacha just put the link right there. That'd be lovely. And

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we'll make sure that the entire Q&A

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finds its place into the

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website afterwards. How does that sound for you? Yeah,

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sounds great. Thank you so much. I'll do make sure that I will

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have the answers there, but I'm going to wait here for some

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time so that somebody can join. Okay, sure. Any last word in

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10 seconds for the public? Well, empty your teacup and enjoy

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your life.

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Splendid. Thank you so much, Bala, for coming

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again to EmacsConf this year, and hopefully we'll be seeing

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you next year with further talks to discuss. Yeah, thank you

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so much. All right, and right now we'll be moving to the next

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talk of the day in about five seconds. Thank you again, Bala,

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and see you later. Bye.

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All right, we are a fair. So, Bala, I'll need to move to make

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sure that everything is working for the next talk. So, do as

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we said, and everything will be fine. Okay.

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Okay, bye-bye, Bala. Bye. Bye, Leo.

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Okay.

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Hello everyone, do you want me to answer a question? I'll be

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happy to answer that. You want to discuss something? You

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want to share something? I'm here for that. Please let me

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know.

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I'll hang around for another 5 to 10 minutes. Please let me

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know if you have any questions or if you're the ones who ask

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those questions also, please let me know.

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Are you there?

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Hi, yes. Some tips I've found for getting

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things done with an image for this stuff is like for

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separations you have like your Zettelkasten, you're

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getting things done, and then beyond that you have like

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dailies and global.

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Daily Zettelkasten would be journaling. Okay, okay. And

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then, like, global or daily getting things done, I

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generally like doing it in a week.

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And then splitting the,

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like, core tasks, secondary tasks,

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unplanned tasks,

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because those are good categories.

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I like what you're doing.

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Sorry? Do you do things like that at all?

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Or are there separations like with Zettelkasten

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versus the Getting Things Done?

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That's very interesting, yes. Daily log and weekly log,

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that's really helpful. I've also been trying to do that but

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not being able to successfully do a daily log plus a weekly

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log. So I gave up on the daily log because it seemed to be like a

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lot of overhead for me, so I just switch to a weekly review

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where I would log what's going on and how it is. But it's also

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interesting to see how it connects back to something that

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we've already worked on, or we've already learned

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somewhere, which is essentially using the ZIP and custom

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method. I probably want to try that a bit later on also.

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That's a great suggestion, nice idea. Oh, so some of the

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reason for the separation would be with the daily log, like,

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for instance, the title for the journal would be, Audinet

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would be the day, and it starts blank. And then, so if you have

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a straight thought, if you know it can go straight to your

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Zettelkasten, it goes into your Zettelkasten. If you don't

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know where it goes, it goes into your journal. And then same

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thing for like the week, is like your weeks always start

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emptying, so like if you have your core tasks, like if it

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spells beyond three, it's probably not a core task. So it

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gives you the idea of like, did I actually do what I wanted to

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yesterday, rather than getting 20 things done that I don't

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really care about that much. Yes. True, true, true. Very

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true. Yeah.

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Nice, nice talk. Thank you so much for sharing that. I've

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been a, let's say a start and many times I've started on

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Zettelkasten, you know, with little notes. They have these

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fleeting notes and permanent notes. I've tried many of

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those, but somehow it's not sticky for me. I've not been

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able to get rid of that.

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Yeah, I've got multiple attempts of using these systems,

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becoming too big or complex, like I don't know where to put a

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new piece of information, so then I throw the whole system

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away. So, this is my favorite iteration that I've done so

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far. I'm sure it'll change with time. Okay, okay, okay, I

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see. Yeah, I...

NOTE Daily log

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I like the way the daily log works, that it has an embedded,

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you know, you just have a name stamp and then you embed

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something from another project. And when you go to the

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project page, the same thing shows up there in the log also. I

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wanted to take that feature and have that in my optimal

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setup. I'm not well versed enough to get that set up because I

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like that with that. Anything I enter in the daily log should

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show up in my project log also and vice versa. I want to

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execute on my project. I need that notes where I'm looking

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for. That's a key feature of that is with logseq you just have

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a button that says go to today. So you don't think about it and

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it always starts empty. It's that blank sheet that's always

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confirming you want the things that I used that before.

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One of the things I really wanted was, I want this,

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but I want it for Getting Things Done on my journal.

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I want two separate ones.

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Yeah, I like the, also I'm trying to see how to create pages

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quickly from within Org Mode. I know we can do the square

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bracket thing and enter and it should go into a new page. but

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it's not as seamless as in logseq or obsidian i'm trying to

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see how which way do i do that quickly so that you don't spend

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time on organizing once you have the bigger setup of the

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folder structures and the to do then it's easier to

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integrate it but if i'm starting from a business point of

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view it's rather tough for them to set it all up because the

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setup costs are very high in terms of system first and then

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start with this. Or like you said, you know we could also

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start with a blank sheet and then start filling it up and then

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see how to link up things or move it around so that it fits into

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your larger system or evolve a system as it goes. Don't start

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with the system in mind, but evolve it because it then fits

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into how you are rather than the you trying to adapt to the

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system.

NOTE Capturing

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So, Denote and org-roam, they'll have a feature, like the

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note, you have a command called, let's see, create or

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existing note, and org-roam has an equivalent to that, and

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what that, you need to consult with that, as you are browsing

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your notes, you see that, and so if you're making a new note,

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power generation or something like that you'll easily see

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if you have any notes that are in power generation or like

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let's say you have something in power and if you don't you

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just go down to where you're just you know you don't have

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anything selected or so it's your what's in your uh what your

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current so you're not pre-selecting something existing

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and voila now you have a file And then you have consult so you

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can preview them as you move up and down the list.

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And then you also got Emacs

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Org Capture to just pop up a template

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capture buffer that is blank that you can tell to go into

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something like a journal or a GTD inbox.

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And yeah, this allows you to just make it like a specific

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buffer to do that specific task. I think Protesilaos has a

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video about how to make that into just a pop-up window. Like

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for instance, you're in your browser, you pop it up, Uh, jot

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down your task, press enter, and it's gone. Hmm, okay. Okay,

NOTE Note silos

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okay, makes sense, makes sense. Yeah, for me, I wanted to try

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denote, but my folder structure, I found it very difficult

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to move it to a denote kind of a structure where the folder

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hierarchy is not as important because all nodes are treated

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the same. But for me, because I'm focusing on a project, I

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need only the project files show up. It was tricky for me to,

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because sometimes I share the folder with my colleagues and

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who are not on Emacs or more. So I can't show them all the

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files, all the notes. I just want that folder to be shared and

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ignore the todo.org that is there because it's not readable

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for them. So, I find it easier to share a folder level or a

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project level and that's why I stuck to this format which is a

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hierarchy of folders with the to-do inside those folders.

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That works very well for me, particularly keeping in mind

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that I need to share some folders sometimes with my

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colleagues. Whereas Denote with a flat structure or

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Roam with a flat structure, I find it very tricky to do that.

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With Denote, you can actually have, there's a feature

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called silos that will

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allow you to do both and I think you can make customized

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commands to go that work only in specific silos. I haven't

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messed around to it. too much with them. I don't think org run

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has anything like that though. Yes, I don't think they have

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that. But I remember seeing silos. Maybe I should give it

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another spin and see if that works. Because if it can solve my

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creating new node quickly from the denote part itself while

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I'm writing the nodes itself rather than go through the R

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capture. That will really help me in linking back and seeing

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how it maps to another project that I've already worked on

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from an archive and then bring it there. I think that's a good

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idea. I'll look at silos again. Also, with the silos, let's

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say you're going to use ripgrep on the directory, you could

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intentionally keep your Zettelkasten and your journal

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separated. in different folders, like, yeah. So that,

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like, if you direct them, or if you wanted to share folder by

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folder basis, yeah, you don't have to be the all-in or

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nothing approach. Yeah, that works. That works.

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Excellent.

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OK.

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Well, thank you so much for your time and for sharing what is

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really helpful for me. I hope the talk was useful for you.

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Yep. Thanks for sharing. Have fun with the rest of the Emacs

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camp. Okay. All right. Then see you then. Happy Emacs month

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to you too. Okay. Bye. Bye.