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(Amin: Alrighty, Leo Vivier, take it away.)

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Okay, well, thank you. I'm in. So you've

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just had a

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little roundup of the news, and we're

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going to get started now with some

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presentations.

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We're starting with user

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developer stories.

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I was extremely interested in this

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section because I

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wanted to get a chance, basically, to tell

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you a little more about who I am and

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how I got from basically being a user of

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Emacs

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to being nowadays a package

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maintainer,

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and maybe more in the future. I don't

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know. So,

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just for the organizers, I'm planning to

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speak for 15 minutes, and I'll have five

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more minutes of questions at the end.

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As I told you before, if you want to have

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questions, you know you can use the pad,

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and I'll be reading the questions from

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there. Okay. So

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hi there, as Amin introduced me before,

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my name is Leo Vivier.

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I'm a freelance software engineer

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in France, and I have been using Emacs

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now for

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i believe close to eight years. I can't

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believe it's been so long.

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But yes, it's been a journey because,

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in a way, nothing

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made me go for Emacs. You know I'm an--

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sorry, I was about to say Emacs major, but

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no, I'm an English major. I went to

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university to study English literature

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and linguistics, and

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I just got started in Emacs

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because I was looking for ways to take

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better notes. I was looking for ways to

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[Applause]

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structure the way I was learning,

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structure the way I was

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taking notes. I stumbled one day

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upon this weird piece of software which

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was called Emacs,

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and I've been trapped forever since,

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basically, because

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eight years ago, when I discovered

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Emacs I just couldn't let go. There was

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just something very

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interesting about the way you configured

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your setup,

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and I just wanted to dive deeper and

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deeper.

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So the title is of this talk exactly is

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how I went from user to package

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maintainer, and

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the package now that I'm maintaining is

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called org-roam. I'm not the only one

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doing this.

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I'm helped with many lovely people

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working on org-roam.

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I got started as a maintainer

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only this year, so that means that for

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the eight years I've been

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an Emacs user, seven of those years were

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spent merely being a user

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trying to be a sponge for knowledge,

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trying to learn as much as I could.

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I believe it would be

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interesting for me to share my story

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because I believe that I'm far from

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being the only user

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who can make the jump to being a

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maintainer. A lot of you have

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a lot of knowledge when it comes to

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Emacs. Some of you

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are at different steps in your journey.

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Some of you, for instance, are just

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starting to copy stuff out of

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StackExchange

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into your Emacs configuration. let's

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say you want to do something very

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particular

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and you haven't found a way to do so.

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You go on StackExchange. You find

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something that's interesting. You add it
to your

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Emacs configuration. You

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barely understand anything that's going on.

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You know that it's supposed to be

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Emacs Lisp.

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"I hardly know Emacs and

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I know even less what is Lisp supposed to be."

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But you paste it in and it does what you

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want it to do, and you say

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"Great, I'll move on to my work now." So

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that's how I got started. I had

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a very spartan

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setup for Emacs, which a lot of you must

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know... The first time you launch Emacs,

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you have this feeling that you're jumping 20

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years back in time, as far as the

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user interface is concerned. But

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as you get to spend more time with Emacs...

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Some would call it Stockholm syndrome

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insofar as you can't see

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how spartan the entire thing is, but it

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actually is

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a lovely prison, so to speak.

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That's how I got started eight years ago.

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I just wanted

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to find a way to do my research properly.

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I wanted to have a

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tool that I could use to write my notes

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in plain text, because I was already

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fairly averse to

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Microsoft solutions when it

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came to taking notes.

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So yeah, I got started in Emacs. I

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read a little bit about what plain text

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was about. Just to be clear,

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at the time, yes, I was very good with

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computers,

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but I was not a computer science student.

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I had barely any experience with
programming

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and coding, and I was even less of a

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hacker
back then.

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It just goes to show you that at the

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beginning, I had close to no knowledge,

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whether it be about

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the free software world, whether it be
about...

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Sacha, do you want to say something? (Sacha: just

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confirming, you're not sharing anything

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on the screen at the moment, right?)

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No, I'm not sharing anything, I'm

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just presenting.

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So when I started, I had no

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experience whatsoever.

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I was just a literature major

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trying to get better at taking notes.

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I stumbled upon LaTeX. As many people

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who stumble upon LaTeX know,

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you don't just stumble upon

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LaTeX, you embroil yourself in the

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turmoil of suffering, of late
nights tweaking,

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so that your document is exactly in the

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perfect shape you want it to be.

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Soon after, when I got started with
Emacs and LaTeX,

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I discovered something that truly

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changed my life, and it was Org Mode.

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As you'll get a lot of presentations

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this afternoon about Org Mode,

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I won't be spending too much time on it.

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But Org Mode, for me, was a
revelation. It's...

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There was something that, upon reading

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articles on how to use Org Mode,

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especially one of the key

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article that I'd read which really made

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a huge impact on me

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was the "Organize Your Life in Plain Text" one

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which i'm sure many of you must have

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stumbled upon

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in your Emacs journey...

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For me, when I stumbled upon this

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document, I was starting to get

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interested in Getting Things Done and

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all the nitty-gritty stuff about

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organization and self-organization.

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It just felt like everything was under

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my fingertips

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to make the perfect workflow.

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There was something incredibly

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satisfying about

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having a system that gave you so many

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options to configure your experience

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exactly how you wanted.

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You had this feeling that

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the people behind Org Mode had thought

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of everything,

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whichever small adjustment

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that you needed in workflow

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whether it be more states for your
TODOs,

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whether it be, oh, I want my weeks to

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start on Monday and not on Saturday,

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oh, it's half past one and I need to...

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in the morning, I mean, and I need to make

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sure that the item that i'm marking as done

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is done for the day before and not for

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the current day. You see what I'm talking about.

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So many details that were already

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present in Org Mode. At first you're

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really impressed, because you think,

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wow, they thought of everything, but then

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you realize that it's just a matter of

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experience, just a matter of people

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contributing code, because the

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development of Org Mode, Emacs, and

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everything is just

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open to the public. You know, it's like

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everything is being done with the garage

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door opened. You can just

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go on Org Mode on Savannah and see

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everything that is being developed.

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For me, the shift that occurred

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in my mind was when

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I was reading all the options, I

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was looking at all the variables that i

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could modify for Org Mode,

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and there came a time, maybe two to three

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years ago,

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where I thought, oh wow,

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maybe for the first time in a while,

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there is no option for me to do what I

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want to be doing with Org Mode.

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I believe at the time the the key

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issue that triggered this reflex for me was

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I wanted to do something with the agenda.

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I wanted to have a super category so, you

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know, in the...

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for those of you who know, in your

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agenda, you have the ability to have many

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files, and you have the ability to have
categories.

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I wanted somehow to group my

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TODOs in smaller groups, or bigger

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groups, I should say,

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so that, for instance, I could have one

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group for my professional life, I could

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have a group

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for one work, the second
work...

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I could have something for

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university and all this.

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I thought, yeah,

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I think I'd like this.

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After having spent so long working

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with Emacs and working with Org Mode,

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I had some ideas about what was

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within the realm of possibility and what

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wasn't. Here I thought to myself,

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this is definitely something that I can do.

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And so thus started my journey

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into the Org Mode libraries.

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I won't go too much into details right

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now, because right now, the main objective

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that I have is just to show you

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how simple it is to become a maintainer,

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how to become more involved with the
development.

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The libraries in Org Mode,

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they're written in Elisp, which is a very...

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It might seem like an obscure language,

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and it certainly is,

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but as soon as you get the logic of the

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language--and

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what i'm telling you

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is coming from someone who's never

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studied programming--

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it made sense.

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Everything is so verbose when you get

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into the code.

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When you learn the rudiments

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of Elisp, you start getting to the code,

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and you start

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thinking, wow, okay that makes sense,

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and you start developing a logic

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for all this.

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So, equipped as I was with this

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new knowledge, I went on my project,

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i went into the Org agenda code,

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and I thought, okay,

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is there anything that I can use to do

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my bidding?

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Fast forward maybe two to three weeks of

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intense turmoil and many nights which

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were spent single-mindedly working on
this project,

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two weeks after, I had something that was

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working, and I was pretty happy about it.

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That was a key landmark for

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me, because when that happened,

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it just felt like, okay, I can contribute

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something to Org Mode, and I can do

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something that would benefit as many
people as possible.

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And to me, that was the click. That's when

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it occurred. That's when I

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went on my first project and I did something

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that felt useful to the community.

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And nowadays, as I told you, I

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maintain packages, but really, nothing
has changed.

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The only thing, maybe, that has changed

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that I've turned my mind onto other problems.

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Maybe I've got three more minutes

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and I'd like to finish by

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maybe something a little different.

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I've told you my Emacs story and

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I hope I've stressed how little effort

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it took me to

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move from steps to steps on the ladder.

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The ladder implies a sense of hierarchy,

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but it really isn't.

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Whatever your step on the

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journey of Emacs is...

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Some of you might be at the

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step where you're really worried

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about learning Elisp because it feels

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like such a monumental task to be
undertaking

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and you have no experience whatsoever,

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but the thing is,

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maybe you could try climbing this first

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step on the ladder. Maybe you could try,

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if you have any project,

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if you've been using Org Mode,

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maybe one day you thought, "oh, yes,

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I wish I could do this but I can't,"

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or maybe do try to do this,

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maybe do try to change something in a

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major mode that you're using

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and which you feel might be better.

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I think Emacs, Org Mode, and all free

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software in general

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has this tendency to give you this idea

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that I can be a hacker

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in the sense of the term

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that you're modifying things

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to do your bidding.

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For me, I believe this to be a very

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healthy attitude towards software.

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As Amin said in the very beginning,

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we are doing this entire presentation--

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sorry, this entire conference with free software.

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Just see all the things we've been able

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to do in free software.

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For me, Emacs

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was my gateway, so to speak,

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into how to contribute to free software,

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about the philosophy that surrounds it.

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What I would like to do... I'll finish

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on this note and then I'll be taking

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your questions.

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Just try.

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You've read on Reddit that you

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need to go through the Elisp manual

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in Emacs. You might be scared,

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but just do it. Just give it a shot.

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Just give it maybe one afternoon.

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Try to read it.

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Try to see if this appeals to your mind.

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If you've been interested enough in my

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presentation right now, and if you're

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interested enough in any of the talks

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you're going to have during the entire
conference,

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do give it a shot. I'm pretty sure

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you will like the journey

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on which you will be embarking upon. So I

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believe I'm finishing one minute early,

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but I see quite a bit of questions already.

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I'm not sure. Sacha, should I

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just be reading the questions, or

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do you want to be feeding me the

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questions?

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(Amin: It's really up to you. it's

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completely up to you.

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If you've got the questions

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open and can take them or read them,

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by all means please.)

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Okay, well, I'm going to read them because

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I've got them on the side. I'm going

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to start with the one at the bottom.

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"Do you feel that being a white male

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contributed to your experience?"

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Yeah. I mean, I do believe... There's

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an idea of privilege. I mean, I'm

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French. I live in... I'm lucky enough to
be here

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at university, okay, and I'm fairly
aware of the

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discrepancies that happen, even in France,

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according to this...

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So, yes, I believe my journey

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was heavily influenced by this.

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If you would like to specify the

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question, please do, but I don't have

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really all that much to ask on this.

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"What is your advice to start learning

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Elisp language? Any particularly good

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resource or any other tips?" I finished

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um my presentation by telling you about

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the Elisp introduction which is built into

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Emacs. What I might do... I'm going to share my

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screen just to show you

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how this works. I will be sharing
this window.

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I believe it's frozen on my end, so I

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can't see anything.

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i'm not sure if you can see me or if my

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camera is moving.

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Okay, so my Firefox is frozen. So i'll

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answer the question, but I won't be able

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to show you

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what I wanted to show you.

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There's a built-in guide inside Emacs to

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learn Elisp.

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Maybe the best chance that you have

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is just to go open these info pages.

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I'm sure someone will be kind enough to

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mention this to you in the #emacsconf channel

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on IRC

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but it's probably the best way

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to get started with Elisp.

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You know, we tend to get obsessed, with

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software and with programming, about

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what's the best way to get started.

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You see so many people who are

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heavily interested

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in getting started with programming but

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they never managed to get started

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because there's so much choice.

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My advice would be to just get started.

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Don't get so worried about the first step.

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Well, if I may still recommend the

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first step, even after saying this,

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do try to start with the

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built-in guides. I believe they're pretty

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pretty good.

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There was another question. It's

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the last question that I can read and

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after that, you will have to read

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the questions for me because everything

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is frozen on my end.

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I hope I'm not frozen

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in a very bad position so

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please excuse me if

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my mouth is open or anything. (Amin: no, we

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just completely lost the video feed, so

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no worries.)

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Oh, splendid, so I won't have to make a

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fool out of myself.

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So the last question I wanted to answer was

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"Have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic

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Detective Agency?"

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No, I haven't. I hope it's not

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a jab at the way i'm dressing for the

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conference, but yeah,

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I haven't read it. Was there any

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other question?

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(Amin: I see one other question.

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"Any recommendation for good packaging

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guides or places to start?

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i get a bit overwhelmed by some things.

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For example, the choice of different test
frameworks.")

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Right. Okay. So that's a very good

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question. I believe

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alphapapa is in the chat right now.

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As myself a new lisp developer for

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org-roam, i'd really recommend you to look into

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his package developers' guide because you

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have a list of all the softwares that

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are extremely useful to be using when

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you're getting started.

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If you're looking into a first

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step for how to develop

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elast package, i'd really advise you to

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look into edebug.

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It's one word, edebug,

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and you have a section in the manual for this,

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because for me, it was the key step to

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getting to develop good packages. It was

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understanding basically what the code did

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and having us something like a

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REPL (read-evaluate-print-loop)

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that allows you to step through the code

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and see exactly which states the

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variables are at which at this point in the

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program. That's really my biggest advice
to you.

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Any other question? Thanks. Yeah, I see one

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or two more.

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So there's one. They ask, "How did the

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freedom of Emacs help you on

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your way?"

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So the freedom of Emacs... I mentioned

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that Emacs, for me, was my gateway

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into free software and the freedom of

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Emacs was that you could maybe... First
and foremost,

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compared to other software, was that
you had

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behind Emacs, Elisp, which allows you to
read the code,

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read whatever is going on in the

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background.

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Surely, if you go deep enough, you'll

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end up in C functions that you might not
be able to

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read if you do not have the experience.

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But for Org Mode, which was my gateway

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into Emacs,

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most of it is written in Elisp, and all

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the commands have a very verbose

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name, like something simple as

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org go to next subtree or

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org go to a parent subtree. You know, things

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like this.

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It's so elegant. It's verbose.

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That's a sense of freedom

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insofar as you can go into the code and

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see, oh, okay, that's how it's implemented.

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I believe in a way that's the freedom

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and the liberty that is given to you to

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look into the code

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is something that invites you to do the

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same with your life. As

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someone who

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does a little bit of philosophy on the

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side, I believe it's a very healthy

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message

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to be gathering from a piece of software.

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(Amin: Awesome, thank you.

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Let's see... So we have...

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I think I saw another question pop up.)

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I'm not sure how we're doing as far

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as time is concerned... I believe we

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have like one or two minutes more.

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(Amin: Yeah, actually, we're quite a bit

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ahead of the schedule, so if we take a

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little bit longer, we're fine.

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If you do have more

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questions, please do.) I'm just sorry that

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my video is not working anymore.

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(Amin: No problem. Someone was

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actually saying...

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What's the most recent...

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Actually, yeah well before that.

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"Please show off your three-piece suit

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before you end your talk,

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which requires fixing your frozen camera.

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if this is not possible, please post

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suit selfies in an easily accessible
location."

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Okay, I'll make sure to do this. But yes, I

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wanted to hype things up for the
conference,

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so yes, I did get the three-piece suit out.

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I'm very glad you like it. By the way,
when you get

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a chance to see me live again,

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do appreciate that my tie has both the

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colors of Emacs purple

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and also Org Mode green.

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It took me a while to find this one, so I

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hope you will appreciate this.

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(Amin: Awesome. Let's see. We have

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one other question. "What's the

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most recent Emacs package or tool that

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you've discovered

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that you've added to your repertoire?")

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Very interesting question.

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The thing is,

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when you've spent as long as I have on

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Emacs--and I know that I've only spent

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eight years and some of you

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might have spent maybe 10, 20, maybe even

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more years on Emacs--

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but for me, I believe the the coolest

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neat trick that I found in Emacs was

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a mode which is called beacon-mode.

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It's something that allows

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you to show

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when you're jumping between buffers or

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when you're dropping between windows,

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it shows exactly where your point is in

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that buffer by making

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a slight ray of light which looks like a

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beacon, hence the name.

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It really helps you navigate buffers

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because it always shows in a very

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visual way where your point is.

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I'll get a chance to show this to

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you later today

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when i'll be presenting my other talks.

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(Amin: Aeesome.

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We have one question

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from Jonas, the maintainer

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from Magit.

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He asks, "When you touched your

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webcam, that blew a fuse at my place.

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How did you do that?")

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Well, I'm very sorry, Jonas, that it

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happened to you, but i'll make sure not

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to touch my webcam again.

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(Amin: Do we have any other questions?)

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I have to trust you on this one.

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I'm really sorry. Everything is frozen

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on my end.

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(Amin: No problem.) Yeah I'm more talking
to the

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audience, I guess.

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I hope my lack of

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slides didn't bother you. I really

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wanted to have this

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verbose time with people, to be

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able to...

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it's a message that i've been trying

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to share with as many people as possible.

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In france we do have an Emacs workshop

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that we have on a monthly basis.

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I've been learning a lot

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with those people and I felt like

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doing the same with Emacs conference

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would be good. That's why i'm really

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happy, and I'm really lucky to have had

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the chance to

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do this today. I hope some of you

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I've convinced you

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of climbing up a step on a ladder or

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making a step in a journey.

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(Amin: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo.

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I happen to completely agree

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with your not necessarily using a slide

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when it's not really needed

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and to help give some face-to-face time

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with the audience. Unfortunately

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your webcam cut out, but I mean

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before that.)

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Yes, I'll make sure to fix the problems

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later on, so don't worry about it.

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(Amin: Awesome. Alrighty. I guess we're

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wrapping up

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for your talk and getting ready for the

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next talk.)

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Sure. Well, thank you so much. I'll see

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you all later, I suppose!

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(Amin: Sounds good. Thank you again, Leo. Bye-bye)