WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.381 So the first question, 00:00:01.382 --> 00:00:05.461 have you tried ivy-bibtex or bibtex-completion earlier 00:00:05.462 --> 00:00:06.524 and how it compares to eBib? 00:00:06.525 --> 00:00:09.941 Well, I would say that I use both. 00:00:09.942 --> 00:00:14.901 I don't think there is very much a comparison 00:00:14.902 --> 00:00:18.661 because for me, they're achieving different goals. 00:00:18.662 --> 00:00:24.501 When I want to just very quickly find the paper 00:00:24.502 --> 00:00:28.621 in the entirety of the literature, 00:00:28.622 --> 00:00:34.701 I can just go here and open ivy-bibtex and see it. 00:00:34.702 --> 00:00:36.661 Bibtex now needs to parse my bib files, 00:00:36.662 --> 00:00:38.781 so it may take a second. 00:00:38.782 --> 00:00:41.581 Yeah, so if I want to just search, I'll do this. 00:00:41.582 --> 00:00:46.461 If I want a bigger view, then I can open eBib, 00:00:46.462 --> 00:00:49.661 but I don't use eBib so much as a tool 00:00:49.662 --> 00:00:54.381 to find just one literature. I use it for other purposes. 00:00:54.382 --> 00:00:58.501 So I think they're not really mutually exclusive, 00:00:58.502 --> 00:01:00.941 like you can use both. 00:01:00.942 --> 00:01:04.641 And they don't think that the features that one provides 00:01:04.642 --> 00:01:08.821 are something that the other also provides. 00:01:08.822 --> 00:01:13.381 They're different kind of goals for me. 00:01:13.382 --> 00:01:15.341 Also, for the answers, is it OK 00:01:15.342 --> 00:01:20.741 if I don't write anything down and I can just write them 00:01:20.742 --> 00:01:23.741 After, when I have time, and I'll just talk. 00:01:23.742 --> 00:01:27.861 Yeah, that's OK. We'll transcribe all the answers later. 00:01:27.862 --> 00:01:32.541 So you can just go ahead and talk. 00:01:32.542 --> 00:01:34.301 And do you find showing abstract 00:01:34.302 --> 00:01:36.661 on your navigation panel helpful? 00:01:36.662 --> 00:01:38.461 I always delete the abstract info, 00:01:38.462 --> 00:01:40.421 and my bib files make things more concise. 00:01:40.422 --> 00:01:44.981 So for me, I think it is helpful to see the abstract. 00:01:44.982 --> 00:01:50.861 I think that if you're in a regular screen, 00:01:50.862 --> 00:01:52.941 you have the space to have that. 00:01:52.942 --> 00:01:57.421 And yeah, for example, if I go again here, 00:01:57.422 --> 00:02:00.021 it's kind of indeed a bit more, 00:02:00.022 --> 00:02:01.741 a bit longer than it can be. 00:02:01.742 --> 00:02:09.341 And also you find a bigger abstract somewhere. 00:02:09.342 --> 00:02:10.421 It may be more space, 00:02:10.422 --> 00:02:16.381 but like, for example, this, yeah, this is a big abstract. 00:02:16.382 --> 00:02:19.181 And for example, yeah, this takes a bit more space, 00:02:19.182 --> 00:02:23.021 but I find it easy because the only case 00:02:23.022 --> 00:02:25.901 where I'm actually looking at this panel 00:02:25.902 --> 00:02:30.581 and trying to see things is when I'm going to be either, 00:02:30.582 --> 00:02:33.861 is when I'm going to be trying to find something 00:02:33.862 --> 00:02:37.141 that I don't remember the title to search immediately. 00:02:37.142 --> 00:02:38.581 And if you don't remember the title 00:02:38.582 --> 00:02:39.781 and you're trying to search, 00:02:39.782 --> 00:02:43.261 the abstract will be a way 00:02:43.262 --> 00:02:49.221 that helps you search better maybe. 00:02:49.222 --> 00:02:51.701 and also the other thing they use 00:02:51.702 --> 00:02:54.981 is also the small little descriptions 00:02:54.982 --> 00:02:59.261 I add in the note entries to help me 00:02:59.262 --> 00:03:03.381 but I think that the abstract is nice to be there 00:03:03.382 --> 00:03:05.141 in case you don't remember 00:03:05.142 --> 00:03:07.541 to find something from the title 00:03:07.542 --> 00:03:08.581 or from your notes 00:03:08.582 --> 00:03:10.581 and just need something more general. 00:03:10.582 --> 00:03:16.621 So yes it can be large and not always convenient, 00:03:16.622 --> 00:03:20.181 but I generally like it being there 00:03:20.182 --> 00:03:29.421 in case I need it for anything. Then the next question. 00:03:29.422 --> 00:03:34.381 Also, if any question is not fully answered by what I'm saying, 00:03:34.382 --> 00:03:36.941 feel free to add more to your question 00:03:36.942 --> 00:03:39.501 and we can discuss more. I don't have a problem. 00:03:39.502 --> 00:03:45.621 So for the next one, yeah, I copied this from IRC 00:03:45.622 --> 00:03:49.141 because I prefer to answer it orally 00:03:49.142 --> 00:03:53.261 because it's a bit longer than the others answering in IRC. 00:03:53.262 --> 00:03:55.261 So it seems that there's a meta problem here. 00:03:55.262 --> 00:03:57.621 There's too much information. 00:03:57.622 --> 00:04:02.221 And does this tool reduce the cognitive load? 00:04:02.222 --> 00:04:09.061 Well, for me, it does reduce the cognitive load because 00:04:09.062 --> 00:04:11.261 Indeed, there's a lot of information, 00:04:11.262 --> 00:04:18.661 but that's how managing literature works, essentially. 00:04:18.662 --> 00:04:21.061 It necessarily has to have a lot of cognitive load, 00:04:21.062 --> 00:04:22.981 because you are trying to 00:04:22.982 --> 00:04:25.021 process more information 00:04:25.022 --> 00:04:28.221 than your brain can process to begin with. 00:04:28.222 --> 00:04:31.301 So you really need a tool 00:04:31.302 --> 00:04:36.581 to help you not keep everything in your mind, 00:04:36.582 --> 00:04:40.461 process the information externally. 00:04:40.462 --> 00:04:44.181 They do think that the way I do this, for me at least, 00:04:44.182 --> 00:04:49.661 it does help with reducing cognitive load. 00:04:49.662 --> 00:04:51.061 Because I'm here, for example, 00:04:51.062 --> 00:04:55.221 if I'm looking for something, I do not remember, 00:04:55.222 --> 00:05:01.501 I've read most of these papers not too many months ago, 00:05:01.502 --> 00:05:02.701 so a lot of them are recent. 00:05:02.702 --> 00:05:06.181 If I don't look at what I have written for it, 00:05:06.182 --> 00:05:08.821 I do not remember anything. 00:05:08.822 --> 00:05:11.941 So indeed, you have this kind of cognitive load 00:05:11.942 --> 00:05:17.341 that I cannot remember everything. 00:05:17.342 --> 00:05:23.101 But on the other hand, I think the tool helps 00:05:23.102 --> 00:05:26.861 because my notes are what keeps, what I want to remember. 00:05:26.862 --> 00:05:30.981 So it doesn't stay in my mind, it stays in the text. 00:05:30.982 --> 00:05:35.221 And regarding things like the reading list, 00:05:35.222 --> 00:05:39.021 I think also for me reduces the cognitive load 00:05:39.022 --> 00:05:42.821 because I will mostly remember 00:05:42.822 --> 00:05:46.341 what the papers I have in that list are, 00:05:46.342 --> 00:05:50.901 but just sorting them by priority helps me 00:05:50.902 --> 00:05:54.621 Okay, this was the thing I wanted to do next. 00:05:54.622 --> 00:06:00.301 Oh, sorry. This is the thing I wanted to do next. 00:06:00.302 --> 00:06:02.501 And I didn't have to remember 00:06:02.502 --> 00:06:03.901 that this is what I want to do next. 00:06:03.902 --> 00:06:06.821 I just had it, I saw it there. 00:06:06.822 --> 00:06:11.261 So for me, it reduces cognitive load, 00:06:11.262 --> 00:06:16.981 but the problem of too much information is 100% there 00:06:16.982 --> 00:06:19.541 because there's objectively 00:06:19.542 --> 00:06:21.021 too much information 00:06:21.022 --> 00:06:23.181 when you're working with literature 00:06:23.182 --> 00:06:35.221 that's by nature and yeah essentially that 00:06:35.222 --> 00:06:36.381 that's for me the thing 00:06:36.382 --> 00:06:41.141 that i'm i'm just putting this information elsewhere 00:06:41.142 --> 00:06:44.941 so i don't have to keep it in my mind 00:06:44.942 --> 00:06:52.421 Okay, so when you download a new article, 00:06:52.422 --> 00:06:54.941 how do you integrate the file to the database? 00:06:54.942 --> 00:06:58.261 So, for example, do you remove 00:06:58.262 --> 00:06:59.741 and rename the file manually? 00:06:59.742 --> 00:07:11.781 So, for me, I also briefly showed that in the talk, 00:07:11.782 --> 00:07:13.781 but I did that very quickly, 00:07:13.782 --> 00:07:16.581 so it's understandable that it wasn't there. 00:07:16.582 --> 00:07:21.501 Essentially, And when I download the article, 00:07:21.502 --> 00:07:27.421 then I will open Ivy Bib Tech and find the article. 00:07:27.422 --> 00:07:31.581 For example, this one is the first. 00:07:31.582 --> 00:07:34.941 You can open the menu in Ivy Bib Tech. 00:07:34.942 --> 00:07:40.061 It's with an alt O, and then it will give you this menu. 00:07:40.062 --> 00:07:44.261 And from here, it will say, add PDF to library. 00:07:44.262 --> 00:07:47.261 And then it will ask from where do you want to add it? 00:07:47.262 --> 00:07:49.941 I don't recommend the URL 00:07:49.942 --> 00:07:53.701 because it doesn't download it properly sometimes. 00:07:53.702 --> 00:07:56.981 As I also mentioned that with Zotra, 00:07:56.982 --> 00:08:00.301 the URLs downloading things, 00:08:00.302 --> 00:08:02.141 especially with academic papers 00:08:02.142 --> 00:08:05.341 that are sometimes paywalled, it doesn't want to work well. 00:08:05.342 --> 00:08:07.781 So I will download the paper 00:08:07.782 --> 00:08:10.981 and then you can just press the F here for file. 00:08:10.982 --> 00:08:13.421 And then you find the file. 00:08:13.422 --> 00:08:20.861 and for example for me all my PDFs are in this folder 00:08:20.862 --> 00:08:23.181 it's still named Zotero PDFs 00:08:23.182 --> 00:08:25.621 from when it was Zotero saving them now 00:08:25.622 --> 00:08:28.341 Zotero no longer saves them 00:08:28.342 --> 00:08:30.381 but I'm too bored to change the name 00:08:30.382 --> 00:08:33.501 and then you just find the paper you want 00:08:33.502 --> 00:08:37.261 so you can see there is an endless list of papers here 00:08:37.262 --> 00:08:42.821 and it then will automatically rename it 00:08:42.822 --> 00:08:56.781 to have the title of the author, a small title and a date. 00:08:56.782 --> 00:09:01.821 I believe the naming is also configurable, 00:09:01.822 --> 00:09:08.941 but I have this notation in my config for many years now 00:09:08.942 --> 00:09:11.181 because that's how everything 00:09:11.182 --> 00:09:17.981 expects to find it, essentially. I do not then move it. 00:09:17.982 --> 00:09:19.341 It's stored in that folder. 00:09:19.342 --> 00:09:22.501 I store all my PDFs in that specific folder. 00:09:22.502 --> 00:09:27.541 And then Emacs knows that all PDFs 00:09:27.542 --> 00:09:29.021 should be found in that folder. 00:09:29.022 --> 00:09:32.581 And it then just looks for the name 00:09:32.582 --> 00:09:33.981 that it expects to find. 00:09:33.982 --> 00:09:38.221 And ivy-bibtex has renamed it automatically to that. 00:09:38.222 --> 00:09:54.381 Okay, I'll wait a bit to continue with that 00:09:54.382 --> 00:09:59.801 for moving to the next question. 00:09:59.802 --> 00:10:02.301 Yeah, ivy-bibtex has that functionality. 00:10:02.302 --> 00:10:08.061 And then annotations with e-readers. 00:10:08.062 --> 00:10:12.781 Viewing and taking an Emacs or Reader touchscreen, 00:10:12.782 --> 00:10:16.501 highlighting notes, noter, think would be an alternative, 00:10:16.502 --> 00:10:18.301 e-book annotation alternative. 00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:25.981 So, I do not use an e-reader, personally. 00:10:25.982 --> 00:10:29.781 The only thing that I have is my tablet, 00:10:29.782 --> 00:10:34.981 I can actually show you. It's this little thing here. 00:10:34.982 --> 00:10:39.661 It's a Chromebook. 00:10:39.662 --> 00:10:42.381 And the reason it's a Chromebook is that 00:10:42.382 --> 00:10:44.621 when I bought it a few years ago, 00:10:44.622 --> 00:10:48.541 it was the most viable alternative I could find 00:10:48.542 --> 00:10:52.301 that can run Linux as a tablet with good touchscreen. 00:10:52.302 --> 00:10:55.021 That was also a bit budget 00:10:55.022 --> 00:10:57.821 because there are some Linux tablets, 00:10:57.822 --> 00:11:00.301 but they were a bit too high cost 00:11:00.302 --> 00:11:02.181 for what I was looking back then. 00:11:02.182 --> 00:11:07.501 And this thing runs Linux essentially 00:11:07.502 --> 00:11:10.421 natively from the Chromebook. 00:11:10.422 --> 00:11:14.581 And I've installed Emacs there. It has all my config. 00:11:14.582 --> 00:11:21.741 And so if I want to take touchscreen notes, I do it there. 00:11:21.742 --> 00:11:27.181 But again, that is in Emacs. And it's mostly with PDFs. 00:11:27.182 --> 00:11:31.181 I'm not sure if it answers exactly the question. 00:11:31.182 --> 00:11:35.221 So if it's an e-reader, if it's, for example, a book, 00:11:35.222 --> 00:11:39.661 I know that if you have an EPUB, 00:11:39.662 --> 00:11:42.221 I think it's called the format for books, 00:11:42.222 --> 00:11:44.701 and Org-noter can also read that. 00:11:44.702 --> 00:11:49.741 So you could also open that file inside Emacs 00:11:49.742 --> 00:11:51.541 using Org-noter and take notes. 00:11:51.542 --> 00:12:02.941 But otherwise, If you're not 00:12:02.942 --> 00:12:06.901 reading everything in Emacs, 00:12:06.902 --> 00:12:09.021 then it's hard to pass annotations 00:12:09.022 --> 00:12:11.581 from outside Emacs to inside it, 00:12:11.582 --> 00:12:15.461 because of course you have less interoperability in that case. 00:12:15.462 --> 00:12:22.621 but I think Emacs is featureful enough 00:12:22.622 --> 00:12:25.621 to where you can do all your reading inside it. 00:12:25.622 --> 00:12:30.141 And Org-noter has a surprising amount of different formats 00:12:30.142 --> 00:12:31.621 where you can read things actually. 00:12:31.622 --> 00:12:40.141 I hope it was clear if you want more on that 00:12:40.142 --> 00:12:45.901 because I know it's a bit more a complex question, I guess, 00:12:45.902 --> 00:12:47.701 also with e-readers. 00:12:47.702 --> 00:12:52.061 And if it is in Emacs or not, feel free to add more. 00:12:52.062 --> 00:12:56.901 And how old do you feel 00:12:56.902 --> 00:13:00.461 about making notes on websites, PDF, videos? 00:13:00.462 --> 00:13:05.741 So I will agree with the other question 00:13:05.742 --> 00:13:07.621 that I answered here. 00:13:07.622 --> 00:13:11.301 If you can convert something to PDF, 00:13:11.302 --> 00:13:13.621 I prefer it because then 00:13:13.622 --> 00:13:16.741 you need to only worry about PDFs 00:13:16.742 --> 00:13:19.941 and it works better that way 00:13:19.942 --> 00:13:21.981 than having to annotate websites. 00:13:21.982 --> 00:13:26.181 There is, I believe, I should have it 00:13:26.182 --> 00:13:27.661 in my bookmarks somewhere. 00:13:27.662 --> 00:13:32.381 There is a, the org-roam protocol 00:13:32.382 --> 00:13:36.621 that allows you to take notes directly out of a website 00:13:36.622 --> 00:13:39.421 and it saves all the metadata of the website. 00:13:39.422 --> 00:13:42.941 I did look at it at some point, 00:13:42.942 --> 00:13:47.781 but I haven't really continued using it too much 00:13:47.782 --> 00:13:53.541 because I find that I don't often take notes 00:13:53.542 --> 00:14:00.221 from a website where I want the and more information 00:14:00.222 --> 00:14:02.421 than just either the link of the website 00:14:02.422 --> 00:14:05.741 or if I want the full text converting into a PDF. 00:14:05.742 --> 00:14:07.261 So I haven't really found 00:14:07.262 --> 00:14:08.541 a very big use case for it, 00:14:08.542 --> 00:14:11.301 but I know that Org-Roam protocol is a thing. 00:14:11.302 --> 00:14:16.701 And then for videos is a bit of a longer story 00:14:16.702 --> 00:14:19.901 because if you want to take notes on videos, 00:14:19.902 --> 00:14:21.541 that's a bit more complex. 00:14:21.542 --> 00:14:28.181 And I don't know of a way to do it in Emacs, 00:14:28.182 --> 00:14:30.941 but I also don't know of an effective way 00:14:30.942 --> 00:14:34.421 to take notes on videos using other tools. 00:14:34.422 --> 00:14:39.901 What I typically do if I'm following the video or something 00:14:39.902 --> 00:14:44.461 is that I will take notes of the more important things. 00:14:44.462 --> 00:14:50.581 I'll take notes of the more important things 00:14:50.582 --> 00:14:52.381 that I was listening in the video. 00:14:52.382 --> 00:14:55.101 And while I'm listening, I will take 00:14:55.102 --> 00:14:57.581 some ideal crude notes, 00:14:57.582 --> 00:15:00.901 not because I don't want to lose 00:15:00.902 --> 00:15:03.981 a lot of my attention during the, 00:15:03.982 --> 00:15:09.781 what I'm trying to learn by taking very good notes. 00:15:09.782 --> 00:15:11.141 So most of the time, 00:15:11.142 --> 00:15:13.741 those kinds of notes will be in paper, 00:15:13.742 --> 00:15:16.181 even just very simple, crude notes. 00:15:16.182 --> 00:15:20.381 And then without any timestamps or anything, 00:15:20.382 --> 00:15:23.941 because that's too complex for what I've done. 00:15:23.942 --> 00:15:28.501 And after watching, I will try to 00:15:28.502 --> 00:15:31.421 consolidate all my thoughts that I wrote down 00:15:31.422 --> 00:15:36.061 into some more permanent notes using Org Roam. 00:15:36.062 --> 00:15:46.181 And then like move on with that also look online 00:15:46.182 --> 00:15:50.421 if I noted that I want to look more on on this subject 00:15:50.422 --> 00:15:52.821 that was mentioned the video 00:15:52.822 --> 00:15:53.821 and I didn't fully understand it 00:15:53.822 --> 00:15:57.381 then I will try and look more and things like that 00:15:57.382 --> 00:16:02.981 so for me that's how I do it because I think that 00:16:02.982 --> 00:16:05.661 Annotating a video directly with timestamps 00:16:05.662 --> 00:16:07.821 and everything is a bit too complex. 00:16:07.822 --> 00:16:09.501 I don't know if you have 00:16:09.502 --> 00:16:12.061 any suggestions for working with that, 00:16:12.062 --> 00:16:19.381 but for me, it has been very troublesome. 00:16:19.382 --> 00:16:22.341 And then how do you add a new article from scratch, 00:16:22.342 --> 00:16:25.301 a PDF that you did not have in your bib file? 00:16:25.302 --> 00:16:29.661 How do you generate the bib entry metadata and abstract? 00:16:29.662 --> 00:16:36.941 So yeah, the package is called Zotra. 00:16:36.942 --> 00:16:44.061 I can also show it again. Let's find something. 00:16:44.062 --> 00:16:49.861 and can open up. Let's not do that. 00:16:49.862 --> 00:16:53.981 If I open it, I need to access it through my institution. 00:16:53.982 --> 00:16:57.621 So I will not open the link, but I can show you essentially 00:16:57.622 --> 00:17:02.101 you run Zotra add entry, this function, 00:17:02.102 --> 00:17:10.421 and it copies what you have currently in your, in your, 00:17:10.422 --> 00:17:12.461 what you have already copied right now 00:17:12.462 --> 00:17:15.861 it's the message I copied before for the Q&A 00:17:15.862 --> 00:17:21.861 but if you open a paper and have the URL copied 00:17:21.862 --> 00:17:26.341 it will immediately come here and will save everything 00:17:26.342 --> 00:17:28.621 and also as I mentioned there's the 00:17:28.622 --> 00:17:31.301 you can also download the patches from there 00:17:31.302 --> 00:17:34.381 but with paywalled articles doesn't always work well 00:17:34.382 --> 00:17:40.261 so I just do it manually 00:17:40.262 --> 00:17:45.821 Oh, system is running low on power. Give me just a second. 00:17:45.822 --> 00:17:59.021 So the computer doesn't turn off as we're speaking. Yes. 00:17:59.022 --> 00:18:03.541 So yeah, the, everything is added from scratch. 00:18:03.542 --> 00:18:14.541 Essentially you copy the URL and give it to Soletrend. 00:18:14.542 --> 00:18:17.381 It does everything. uh when you fact check every details 00:18:17.382 --> 00:18:26.261 for a bib entry your open names published journal 00:18:26.262 --> 00:18:29.461 doi stuff uh so i i generally don't do that 00:18:29.462 --> 00:18:30.861 oh yeah thanks for the person 00:18:30.862 --> 00:18:35.101 that added the link to the zocha 00:18:35.102 --> 00:18:38.381 i i wouldn't say that i fact check the details 00:18:38.382 --> 00:18:40.901 i assume that When they're added, 00:18:40.902 --> 00:18:44.541 they're actually correct. 00:18:44.542 --> 00:18:49.741 Have you actually had trouble with a tool 00:18:49.742 --> 00:18:52.021 that automatically adds them to add them wrong? 00:18:52.022 --> 00:18:54.861 I'm curious. I haven't really heard 00:18:54.862 --> 00:18:59.421 that happening too much. 00:18:59.422 --> 00:19:01.861 I've always thought that, yeah, if you do it manually, 00:19:01.862 --> 00:19:04.621 you need to fact check that you did it correctly. 00:19:04.622 --> 00:19:06.461 But I always assume that if you do it 00:19:06.462 --> 00:19:09.301 automatically through a tool, 00:19:09.302 --> 00:19:11.661 It should already be correct. 00:19:11.662 --> 00:19:15.101 And I don't remember ever having any trouble either 00:19:15.102 --> 00:19:20.221 when I was using Zotero before or now 00:19:20.222 --> 00:19:24.101 with the more Emacs based tools. 00:19:24.102 --> 00:19:29.781 I feel like the big entries are copied correctly. 00:19:29.782 --> 00:19:35.101 I haven't noticed this being incorrect. 00:19:35.102 --> 00:19:40.181 But I'm curious, do you have any point 00:19:40.182 --> 00:19:44.661 On that, I will keep in mind. 00:19:44.662 --> 00:19:48.541 Sometimes, DOI records are not exactly correct. 00:19:48.542 --> 00:19:52.861 For example, they can contain some very strange symbols. 00:19:52.862 --> 00:20:01.901 So that can happen sometimes. OK. Yeah. I don't know. 00:20:01.902 --> 00:20:05.741 I guess then if you want to fact check, 00:20:05.742 --> 00:20:12.141 it's probably the best to do it directly as it is added, 00:20:12.142 --> 00:20:14.901 like it's added, for example, here, 00:20:14.902 --> 00:20:17.941 and you can just directly, when you add it, 00:20:17.942 --> 00:20:23.501 find it and say, is everything correct here? 00:20:23.502 --> 00:20:27.661 Because I think that if you leave it for later, 00:20:27.662 --> 00:20:31.381 it will be much more of a mess. 00:20:31.382 --> 00:20:33.181 So for checking, I would just do it directly 00:20:33.182 --> 00:20:47.261 after I add it to the bit file. 00:20:47.262 --> 00:20:50.621 And let me see, is there anything else? 00:20:50.622 --> 00:20:53.501 I think one common way it can fail 00:20:53.502 --> 00:20:56.381 is when the metadata includes 00:20:56.382 --> 00:20:59.581 HTML tags for math, for example. 00:20:59.582 --> 00:21:03.501 And in some papers, for some journals, it can happen. 00:21:03.502 --> 00:21:05.061 So then you can imagine what happens 00:21:05.062 --> 00:21:06.981 when you try to put that citation 00:21:06.982 --> 00:21:08.741 into your references. 00:21:08.742 --> 00:21:12.421 That's going to be a mess. 00:21:12.422 --> 00:21:17.501 Yeah, okay. I didn't know, to be honest, so yeah. 00:21:17.502 --> 00:21:27.101 Thanks for the information. 00:21:27.102 --> 00:21:29.501 I think our graph has automatic cleaning 00:21:29.502 --> 00:21:30.421 of certain things 00:21:30.422 --> 00:21:34.741 for common errors in the metadata. 00:21:34.742 --> 00:21:37.221 How did you call that? 00:21:37.222 --> 00:21:38.381 I can note it down also here for the discussion. 00:21:38.382 --> 00:21:45.861 Oh, our graph. Or graph. Or graph. Yeah. 00:21:45.862 --> 00:22:12.261 Okay. Okay. I will put it down the pad. 00:22:12.262 --> 00:22:14.141 And I think the next talk, 00:22:14.142 --> 00:22:18.461 the live will move in the next minute anyways. 00:22:18.462 --> 00:22:22.141 And I see we're done with all the questions. 00:22:22.142 --> 00:22:26.141 So thank you everyone. I hope this was interesting. 00:22:26.142 --> 00:22:28.501 Thank you for giving me a lot of questions 00:22:28.502 --> 00:22:31.461 so we had to discuss for the whole time 00:22:31.462 --> 00:22:34.541 and we weren't just here sitting. 00:22:34.542 --> 00:22:36.182 And enjoy the rest of EmacsConf.