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So just to be clear, right now we are currently streaming. So

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if you want to answer with your voice, you can as well. Oh, I'm

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sorry. Okay. Yeah. So I've got a question. I think there was a

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little bit of a misunderstanding with whether we were doing

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a Q&A on BBB or if we were doing it on Etherpad. So it's really

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up to you. Right now we've set up everything. So if you want to

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start answering questions with your voice, we might as

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well. So OK, so I can just do it live.

NOTE Q: When you choose colors based on the same lightness, does it not hurt readability since the eye sees lightness most?

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So one question is, so I

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assume this is a question on the lab space, where all the

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colors are the same lightness. Does it hurt readability? So

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far, I find it to be OK. For the lab theme, I picked the colors

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manually. So like I could just fix a angle essentially so

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that no colors are similar, so I have good readability. But

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for a random theme in Monte Carlo, it's hard because like

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it's just random. But yeah, that's a really good point. And

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also that's one of the motivations I did the nothing, you

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know, the great scale theme to explore just using

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lightness. Yeah.

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So looking at other questions.

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Okay, great. Do you want to take the next question. So, okay.

NOTE Q: For monte-carlo, are all the "random" colors picked using a colorwheel/hue rotation?

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Okay, let's go to the third first. Let's finish. Yes, for

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Monte Carlo are all the random colors that using a color

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wheel here. Yes. Well, so basically, what this theme does is

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it. It picks a saturation and lightness for me first. These

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are also random, but they are picked with some kind of range.

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And that's a parameter that I can play with, you know, the

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range of lightness and separation.

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Once those are fixed, the colors are picked by angles in the

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color wheel, or heel rotation, as you would put it. So yes,

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that's roughly the process.

NOTE Q: One area I see emacs able to do themes that is "underused?" is changing the font

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OK, great. I think the second question is still in the

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process. Oh, well, maybe you could start fielding it. I

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think you've got already something to work on. I see one area

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I see Emacs able to do. under use is changing the font, font

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size, font type, model space based on various faces. Yeah,

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so to paraphrase the question, one thing that Emacs is

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definitely not doing a whole lot of right now is changing the

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font that is being used, be it the font size, the font family.

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Sometimes you see themes, especially old mode themes,

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fontify differently the headers of the documents versus

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the content, and usually you do have a little bit of a

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contrast that is being introduced. But is it something that

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you find value in, this type of contrast based on font? And to

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me, it's my personal preference to just use one font. I don't

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even change the font size a lot in org mode. It's just

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personal preference.

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I've seen scenes where once I applied, I opened the org doc

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and suddenly all the titles are like Serif or some fancy

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fonts. That works. And to me, again, it's a personal

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preference that I don't really like that, but I know a lot of

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people like that. So it's up to you, I guess. Yeah, I mean,

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this, as we've seen in your talk and as well as the previous

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one we had this morning, you know, themes are very personal

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and at the end, whatever you need to, you know, some people

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are going to need more contrast than others, some people are

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going to need a little more variety in the fonts that they

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use. Ultimately, it's up to you really what you want to use.

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The end point, the angle that one should be aiming for is to

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feel comfortable in what they're editing. And whether this

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comfort translates into a very barebone color theme like

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the one we saw this morning with very slight colors but still

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which has a lot of personality or perhaps something closer

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to yours which tends to use equal luminance or lightness for

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the different entries. Well, everyone needs to tune in and

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find whatever works best for them, I think. Yep. And also, I

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want to note, I actually have a personal rule. It's also in

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all my themes. It's that comments have to be italic. I just

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like the look of italic comments. So, I actually... So, if

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you... In one of the section in the video, I mentioned I have

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hooks. Maybe I didn't mention, but I have hooks when using

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the picking the random theme setup. One of the purpose of

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that hook is I can add italic to all the themes on the comment

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face. Which I don't think it works actually right now, but

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that's the intention. Yeah, but I think it answers the

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question we started on originally. Because changing the

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font, I mean, using the italic variant of the font, it's

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literally a different font. And so, being able to have this

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type of contrast is actually important for you. So, it's

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nice that you managed to find this particular bit of

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knowledge through experimentation. And also I want to add

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that if you pick a monospace font like I do, usually there's

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not a lot of... Creativity? No, that's not the word. It's a

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lot of personality in the regular font part. But people do

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put a lot of different things in the italic. So yeah, if you

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can find a way to utilize the italic face, you could see some

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interesting results. Yeah, definitely. Again, I think

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it's important to consider all the things you can play with

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in terms of contrast. Because at the end of the day, you know,

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some people are going to be more receptive to a change of font

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than change of color. You know, just considering the amount

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of people who are colorblind and who are using software like

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this. You know, sometimes your vision optimizes for

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particular kind of changes and some people are going to be

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more sensitive to a slanted eye than they would be to an eye

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that is red or an eye that is blue. So, But it's not for

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everyone.

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So I'm looking at the time and we have about eight minutes

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until we go into the next talk.

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To be frank, I don't think I've got any more questions on my

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end. I'm not sure if we've got any people on BBB who has joined

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us and would like to ask a question. Let me check on IRC

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quickly if we've got any questions coming our way. I don't

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see any. Do you see any on your end?

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Not really. Well, then I suggest we just leave it at that and

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enjoy a little break before the next chat. So, thank you so

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much Metrowind for coming to EmacsConf and talking about

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colors because, as you saw, many people are interested

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about them, so much that another person decided to have a

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chat about theme. We didn't plan for this, but it's nice to

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see. And, well, perhaps you could collaborate in the future

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and both find the mutual confidence that you need to push

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your stuff to Melpa. Because I did hear that you weren't

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feeling too confident about your random color theme

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package. But, you know, you've done the first step, which is

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talking about it and sharing it with all of us. And perhaps

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the next step is to actually clean up the code to your

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satisfaction and publish it eventually. Oh, I can see

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another question. Should we go to that? Sure.

NOTE Q: Have you ever kept any of the random themes that were thrown up?

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Have you ever

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kept any of the random themes that were thrown up? So I assume

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this is for the Monte Carlo setup. The answer is no. The

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reason is, like I mentioned, I'm using the randomly picking

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a theme setup right now. And Monte Carlo is one of them. Now,

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when Emacs picks Monte Carlo by chance, I wouldn't know

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about it. So I wouldn't know this is my random theme. That's

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the reason I never kept any, like, good color schemes

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generated. So, no. Right, okay. Well, considering we don't

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have any further questions, what I suggest now is that we'll

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leave it at that. So, again, Metrowind, thank you so much.

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Thank you. And hopefully we'll hear more of your themes in

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the future. Cool. Thanks. All right. Bye bye. Bye bye.