WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.119 And I believe we are live. Hi, Daniel, how are you doing? I'm 00:00:11.120 --> 00:00:17.199 doing great. It's cold outside, but it's nice in here, yeah. 00:00:17.200 --> 00:00:21.439 I can assure you it's very cold in my own place as well. We do 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.679 EmacsConf always in December and that's always when it's 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:27.479 particularly cold where I live and I assume where you live as 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.039 well. So, don't worry, we'll try to keep you warm with 00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:35.039 interesting questions. But first, thank you for taking the 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:38.359 time out of your busy high school life to make a presentation NOTE Q: Do you have any thoughts about the process of recording something for a conference? 00:00:38.360 --> 00:00:41.439 about Emacs. Do you have any thoughts about the process of 00:00:41.440 --> 00:00:44.399 recording something for a conference? Because I assume 00:00:44.400 --> 00:00:47.279 it's one of the first ones you're ever doing. 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:55.879 I think it was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I just 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:04.479 recorded in my basement and prepared some notes 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:08.639 beforehand. I think it was definitely helpful to have Emacs 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.959 as a tool for that, because I made my presentation with 00:01:11.960 --> 00:01:18.559 Beamer. Right. I mean, it's amazing to see so many of the 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:22.519 tools because, you know, you've shown Emacs, but you've 00:01:22.520 --> 00:01:27.399 shown Beamer. You've shown tools that are about twice as old 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.239 as you are yourself, which is amazing when you think about 00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:33.199 it. But I think many people in the audience can actually 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.479 relate to your discovery of those tools because we were 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.679 pretty much, I mean a lot of us were your age when we started 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.999 playing with those tools so it's like there's a little bit of 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.759 nostalgia that we feel looking at your presentation 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.719 because we are, we can see the excitement behind everything 00:01:48.720 --> 00:01:51.919 you've touched and that's great for us because it brings us 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.919 back maybe 10 or 20 years in the past and for others perhaps 30 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:01.079 or 40 years so that's kind of amazing. 00:02:01.080 --> 00:02:05.039 How about we start taking some questions? So, just for 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.199 timekeeping, we have until 20 of the current hours, which is 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:12.079 8 minutes and 30 seconds to cover as many questions as 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:16.599 possible. Now, if we might take the first one. So, Corwin, 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:20.359 can you scroll down to the questions? Yes. I'll be reading 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.319 you the questions just to make it a little easier for you, 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:23.791 Daniel, to answer them. NOTE Q: I use org-roam for notes and find it very useful - have you considered it? 00:02:23.792 --> 00:02:25.999 I use Org-roam for notes and find it 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.639 very useful. Have you considered it? Uh, yeah, that's 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:35.519 actually where I started out for taking notes. Um, that, 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.719 that I moved to Denote because I didn't use all of its 00:02:38.720 --> 00:02:44.319 features, um, for, Org Roam, I meant. 00:02:44.320 --> 00:02:46.999 Uh, I also didn't, didn't really like the dependency on an 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:51.919 external database. Uh, it just like took a while for, um, 00:02:51.920 --> 00:02:56.879 stuff to index if I moved it between like, uh, using sync 00:02:56.880 --> 00:03:03.679 thing. laptop and my desktop. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:08.119 something, I mean, I co-maintain Org Roam, so I'm fully aware 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:12.159 of this problem with it. And yeah, SyncThing is not great to 00:03:12.160 --> 00:03:16.639 sync a database, a SQLite database that we use. And, I mean, 00:03:16.640 --> 00:03:19.399 whichever solution you use, whatever works for you is good. 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.919 Orgrim was kind of thought in terms of scalability for 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:26.199 people who had, you know, thousands of notes with thousands 00:03:26.200 --> 00:03:28.919 of links inside of them. so perhaps it's not adapted to your 00:03:28.920 --> 00:03:31.039 note-taking style right now, but perhaps it's something to 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:34.599 keep in mind, you know, it's many tools and you use them when 00:03:34.600 --> 00:03:39.599 you need to. Colin, if we can switch the questions, I'm 00:03:39.600 --> 00:03:40.879 switching to the second one. NOTE Q: Do you use the Getting Things Done methodology as part of your Org workflow? 00:03:40.880 --> 00:03:42.159 Do you use the Getting Things 00:03:42.160 --> 00:03:46.639 Done methodology as part of your Org workflow? So there's an 00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:50.039 interesting thing about that. I started with Org first and 00:03:50.040 --> 00:03:54.959 then I heard about Getting Things Done, so I didn't exactly 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:01.679 design my workflow with that in mind, but I sort of 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:06.439 reinvented it, I would say, not really, but I do a lot of 00:04:06.440 --> 00:04:09.439 the similar things, but I don't have the different TODO 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:11.319 states like... 00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:17.279 I don't know an example because I didn't really look into it 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:22.719 that much, but it would be like NEXT isn't the next thing 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:28.879 you're going to do. But I don't think I... 00:04:28.880 --> 00:04:35.239 where I just write what I need to do and then schedule it and 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:40.999 then look at my agenda for the next thing. Yeah, I mean, part 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.959 of the beauty of using Emacs, Org Mode or using a methodology 00:04:45.960 --> 00:04:49.719 like Getting Things Done is that I think you need to find room 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.519 in the method or the tool for you to organically do what you 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:57.279 want. And it's okay to not do everything in a Getting Things 00:04:57.280 --> 00:05:00.599 Done methodology. I know a lot of people take issue 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.719 with the tickler file, where you're supposed to put stuff to 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.319 review in the future. For instance, if you don't want 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:10.439 to work on this particular topic right now in your life, you 00:05:10.440 --> 00:05:14.679 decide, oh, I'd like to revisit this topic maybe in six 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.399 months. And then you have this tickler file, which has 00:05:17.400 --> 00:05:21.799 entries and folders for each month of the year. And when six 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.039 months comes and you find yourself at the beginning of the 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.319 next month, you open the file and you see, oh there's the task 00:05:27.320 --> 00:05:30.319 I left off for later. A lot of people don't like to do it this 00:05:30.320 --> 00:05:34.279 way, some people really like it, but part of the beauty of 00:05:34.280 --> 00:05:38.119 having tools which are very modular like Emacs and Org Mode 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.479 allows you to have, well, you just adjust the method for 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.439 something that works. And there's something to be garnered 00:05:44.440 --> 00:05:48.759 as well for applying these lessons to how you organize your 00:05:48.760 --> 00:05:51.559 life, not merely in front of a computer, but also how you 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.519 manage your tasks elsewhere at school, iSchool or 00:05:54.520 --> 00:05:58.519 elsewhere. NOTE Q: org-fc and org-drill are emacs org mode centric flash card solutions, have you looked into them? 00:05:58.520 --> 00:06:02.799 All right, moving to the next question. Org-fc and org-drill 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.319 are Emacs Org Mode-centric flashcard solutions. Have you 00:06:06.320 --> 00:06:11.599 looked into them? I think I looked into Org-Drill, but I 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:17.359 wanted to use Anki because of... I wanted to use it on my 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.439 phone, but then I realized I had to pay for the app, and then I 00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:24.119 didn't want to use it on my phone anymore. 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:31.799 but it's just something that I used before without work mode 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.239 for a little bit. And then I liked it, 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:42.919 but yeah, it works pretty well with Org mode. So I didn't 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.799 find a reason to switch to one of those because like I might be 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:53.559 not at a computer one day and have to learn something. Yeah, 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.399 that's something that you call premature optimization. 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:59.479 And if you continue as a software engineer at university, 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.679 you'll get to hear plenty of this. But yes, Anki is also a tool 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.399 that I've used a whole lot in my learning journeys, be it 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:09.719 about languages, be it about literature, be it about 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:15.519 whatever really, and it's a very good tool and I recommend 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:17.799 people to look into it, especially since they've released a 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.839 new algorithm to manage learning a little differently than 00:07:20.840 --> 00:07:23.719 the old one. If you're familiar with SuperMemo, I really 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.992 invite you to look into the advancement 00:07:25.993 --> 00:07:27.505 in Anki in recent years. NOTE Q: What do other students think about your approach - and what are they doing instead (if anything)? And your teachers - what do they think? 00:07:27.506 --> 00:07:31.399 Moving to another question, what do other students 00:07:31.400 --> 00:07:33.919 think about your approach and what are they doing instead, 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:39.359 if anything? And your teachers, what do they think? So for 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:43.199 other students they usually are just confused about what's 00:07:43.200 --> 00:07:51.879 going on when I show my computer because they know that I use 00:07:51.880 --> 00:07:56.759 Linux but they don't know what it is so they're just assuming 00:07:56.760 --> 00:08:03.839 everything on my computer is I'm either hacking or like 00:08:03.840 --> 00:08:05.999 doing some Linux thing and 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.919 I don't really bother to explain it to them so that's kind 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:17.079 But for I love it. See my see my prior videos. That's that's 00:08:17.080 --> 00:08:19.559 wonderful. Pardon me. Pardon me for breaking in, Daniel. 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.239 But I just since I have, I want to say wonderful 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:28.559 presentation. I love your spirit, your tone and great 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:29.319 thought there. 00:08:29.320 --> 00:08:31.399 For my teachers, I think... 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:38.799 because if I write an essay or something, I usually paste it 00:08:38.800 --> 00:08:46.879 in Google Docs. But recently, I got more confident, which is 00:08:46.880 --> 00:08:53.879 export to LaTeX, and I did that for my physics labs. My 00:08:53.880 --> 00:08:56.439 teacher was pretty satisfied with the results for the math 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:03.119 formatting. So I think they don't really have a problem with 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.959 it, where it's actually more convenient, maybe. 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:13.039 That's really great to hear and if you continue at 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:16.519 university, which I'm almost sure that you will, your 00:09:16.520 --> 00:09:19.279 professors, you'll be pretty much using the same tools as 00:09:19.280 --> 00:09:23.359 they are, so you'll find yourself in a like-minded crowd of 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:28.519 people once you get to university. We are a little short on 00:09:28.520 --> 00:09:30.719 time because we need to move to the next talk in about one 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.999 minute. There are still some questions and Daniel, I would 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:40.399 invite you to stay and maybe answer them in a room so that we 00:09:40.400 --> 00:09:43.399 can gather as many of your answers as possible. But before we 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:45.239 leave, I just want to give you the opportunity, if you have 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:46.919 any last words, to share them with the crowd. 00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:53.479 Well, for the students who may be watching this, I hope that 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:57.319 you give Emacs a try. And good luck if you decide to use 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:01.519 something else because it's probably won't be as great. 00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:07.399 It's very good to be so young and to already be convinced that 00:10:07.400 --> 00:10:09.879 Emacs is the best thing. For some of us, it took us many 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:12.839 decades to reach this conclusion, and I'm so happy 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.095 to see young people. I used to be a teacher, 00:10:15.096 --> 00:10:17.016 by the way, so I used to teach people your age, 00:10:17.017 --> 00:10:19.799 but I'm so happy to see people your age 00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:23.359 interested in Emacs because it makes me hopeful that in the 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.799 future we'll have people carrying the flame and standing on 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:30.039 the shoulders of current people. So thank you so much, 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:32.917 Daniel. We'll be seeing you soon. We wish you good luck with 00:10:32.917 --> 00:10:35.999 your studies. And for EmacsConf, we'll be moving to the next 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.624 talk in five seconds. See you soon. And I want to reassure 00:10:39.625 --> 00:10:44.332 you, we'll post all the Q&A info when we do post this video. 00:10:44.333 --> 00:10:47.839 Yes. So Daniel, as I said, 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.239 if you want to stick around a little more with 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.839 Corwin to answer the questions, that's all fine. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.599 I'll be moving to the next room to get ready for the next 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:59.159 talks. So thank you, Daniel. And I'll see you later. 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:06.199 All right, the cops are gone. Wait, no, I'm just kidding. No, 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.042 but if you'd like to walk through a few more of these 00:11:10.043 --> 00:11:11.960 questions, I'd be happy to record that. You're not 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.559 obligated to do that. You could also, the pad's there. You 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:16.999 could just type out your answers or whatever you prefer to 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:24.559 do. I guess I can answer them still. Cool. 00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:25.359 So we're here. NOTE Q: What was your biggest source of frustration/friction/confusion when getting started with Emacs? 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.759 What was your biggest source of frustration, friction, 00:11:27.760 --> 00:11:32.319 confusion when getting started? 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:38.239 I honestly don't really remember. It 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:45.279 somehow just clicked one day and I figured it out. 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:48.123 All right, it takes us pretty naturally to the next one. NOTE Q: How did you come across Emacs? What got you into it? 00:11:48.124 --> 00:11:54.079 How did you come across Emacs? What got you into it? I could ask 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.280 this question quite 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:05.479 similar to how I stumbled into Linux, where I was... I heard 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.519 of it before, but I saw screenshots of it 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:11.247 or something on Reddit, and I was like, oh, 00:12:11.248 --> 00:12:14.648 that looks pretty cool, maybe I'll look into that. 00:12:14.649 --> 00:12:16.599 And then on YouTube, I would see videos 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.199 about Doom Emacs, and then the Doomcasts video, 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:37.239 I think that's what really got me into it. 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:42.279 Okay, I did my best to capture that. So what's the situation 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:46.439 with respect to the mobile use, if that's applicable? And 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:47.639 Orgzly is, 00:12:47.640 --> 00:12:52.359 sorry, was it not Doomcast? Is it System Crafters? 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.199 Sorry if I botched the note. Oh yeah, System Crafters was 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.679 also one of the things I used for getting into Emacs from 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:08.079 scratch. I'm sorry if my dog is barking. 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:16.799 the, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name, but Protesilaos, 00:13:16.800 --> 00:13:20.399 I think that's how you say it. I always say Prot just to get me 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:23.039 out of that problem for what it's worth. I'm not sure that I 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:26.719 can say it properly either. Yeah, his videos were really 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.479 great for getting started with each, each individual 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:31.240 component of 00:13:31.292 --> 00:13:34.124 something like there's entire videos just 00:13:34.125 --> 00:13:40.249 about completion and about a tool called Embark. And like, I 00:13:40.250 --> 00:13:41.318 would just watch those videos 00:13:41.319 --> 00:13:42.999 while I was doing the dishes or something. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:53.679 and I would learn a lot from that. NOTE Q: What the situation with respect to "mobile" use (if ever that's applicable)? (yes, Orgzly...using that?) 00:13:53.680 --> 00:13:59.120 Awesome. I love it. What about the mobile... 00:13:59.121 --> 00:14:04.960 sorry, did I get that question out there already? Oh, no. 00:14:04.961 --> 00:14:07.917 I don't use Emacs or any Org Mode things on my 00:14:07.918 --> 00:14:19.963 phone. I have an iPhone, unfortunately. 00:14:19.964 --> 00:14:24.120 But for org files, I couldn't really get it to sync over 00:14:24.121 --> 00:14:26.800 without using a paid app. 00:14:26.801 --> 00:14:28.040 And I didn't really look into it 00:14:28.041 --> 00:14:30.140 that much because I have a computer with me 00:14:30.141 --> 00:14:36.000 almost all the time. 00:14:36.001 --> 00:14:39.520 Usually I carry around a notebook. And if I really need to 00:14:39.521 --> 00:14:41.940 know something or remember it for later, 00:14:41.941 --> 00:14:52.660 I just write it down. 00:14:52.661 --> 00:15:01.759 I've seen people get started with e-ink tablets, and they 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:07.959 sync it with SyncThing because it's Android, but I don't use 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:21.919 that, so I can't really attest to how good it is. NOTE Q: Has using emacs led to expanded interest in programming/computer science? 00:15:21.920 --> 00:15:25.559 So has using Emacs led you to an expanded interest in 00:15:25.560 --> 00:15:28.519 programming and computer science? Sorry if 00:15:28.520 --> 00:15:31.781 I could have got that out of the presentation. 00:15:31.782 --> 00:15:33.999 I think Emacs is what got me 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.840 started with Lisp specifically. 00:15:37.900 --> 00:15:40.380 Otherwise, I probably would have not really looked into it 00:15:40.381 --> 00:15:44.920 that much, other than like maybe dabbling in Scheme 00:15:44.921 --> 00:15:50.180 from the Structures and Interpretations of Computer 00:15:50.181 --> 00:15:53.680 Programs book. But I probably wouldn't have seen that if I 00:15:53.681 --> 00:16:06.120 hadn't discovered Emacs either so. 00:16:06.121 --> 00:16:08.792 I was already into programming 00:16:08.793 --> 00:16:14.958 before Emacs, and I had used VS Code for a little bit and then 00:16:14.959 --> 00:16:22.917 Vim. But I think I've done most of my programming 00:16:22.918 --> 00:16:26.667 inside of Emacs, in terms of lines of code written, 00:16:26.668 --> 00:16:40.671 projects made... NOTE Q: How does interaction with others work in technical terms? 00:16:40.672 --> 00:16:44.519 So maybe we'd jump from there, right, to, you mentioned 00:16:44.520 --> 00:16:48.359 exporting notes, essays, and so on, handing them on to other 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.319 people. How does interaction with others work in technical 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.759 terms? We mostly find workflows centered around like 00:16:57.760 --> 00:17:00.479 Microsoft products, and that makes sense to me. I have a day 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.719 job where I have to work with a bunch of Microsoft products, 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:08.399 and I know the workflows for that. So how do you manage your 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:14.519 kind of Emacs-y you know, workflows, um, you know, in terms of 00:17:14.520 --> 00:17:19.119 sharing with people. Yeah. So for sharing with like my 00:17:19.120 --> 00:17:22.719 teachers or something, I would, we use like Google at our 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:25.759 school. So for, I'm very fortunate that I don't have to deal 00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:29.639 with Microsoft other than with a very niche situations in 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.599 which I can just use LibreOffice and then convert to Doc X or 00:17:32.600 --> 00:17:35.719 something. I heard that chef. That's, that's how all my 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.679 vendors, uh, my vendors all roll their eyes when they were, 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.885 oh, you're a Microsoft shop. Yep. Heard. 00:17:42.886 --> 00:17:45.947 Then they're all Google shops too, in education. 00:17:45.948 --> 00:17:51.958 Great point. For Google, I just... If my teachers wanted 00:17:51.959 --> 00:17:53.125 a Google Doc or something, 00:17:53.126 --> 00:17:54.299 I usually just copy paste 00:17:54.300 --> 00:17:55.679 whatever I wrote in Emacs 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.333 and then still keep it, anyway, as a side thing 00:17:59.334 --> 00:18:00.667 because I don't really trust the cloud 00:18:00.668 --> 00:18:02.875 that much in terms of using 00:18:02.876 --> 00:18:10.667 it for later if I wanted to look at it. But for that, I don't 00:18:10.668 --> 00:18:14.339 really have too much problems. Hopefully, I will find a way 00:18:14.340 --> 00:18:21.439 to figure it out when I get into university. 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:26.679 Awesome. Okay, well, I know we did it once already, but since 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.479 this will be the end of the video, let me just open the floor 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.439 one more time for parting thoughts. 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:41.719 I'm not sure that I have any. I mean, you said it pretty well, 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:46.639 right? I hope my peers see this. I hope they realize other 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.879 tools are kind of inferior from a gets things done 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.639 standpoint. Saw your talk. Heard that message in this Q&A. 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.159 I think you did a great job. You don't have to say more, but 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:02.835 just offering you the chance. Thank you. 00:19:02.836 --> 00:19:03.916 Well, thank you, Daniel, 00:19:03.917 --> 00:19:07.439 and thanks to everybody watching this video 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.838 during the conference or after it, 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.159 and appreciate and look forward 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:18.880 to your talks in the future, Daniel. Thank you.