# Transcript [[!template new="1" text="""Intro""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Hi, I'm Sacha Chua. This presentation is a quick tour""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of some of the things we do to run EmacsConf.""" start="00:00:04.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Since 2019, we've run it as an entirely online conference,""" start="00:00:07.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and we do as much of the organization as possible""" start="00:00:12.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""within Emacs itself.""" start="00:00:14.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Reasons""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have three reasons for making this presentation.""" start="00:00:16.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The first is entirely selfish: I need to figure out""" start="00:00:19.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the stuff I built for last year's EmacsConf,""" start="00:00:22.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""since it was a bit of a crazy scramble.""" start="00:00:25.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The second is that I want to show people""" start="00:00:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the process of thinking about a complex project,""" start="00:00:30.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""looking for little things to automate in Emacs,""" start="00:00:33.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and building things up from small pieces.""" start="00:00:35.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Maybe you'll get some ideas""" start="00:00:38.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and start building tools for yourself, too.""" start="00:00:39.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The third is that you find any of these little tools interesting,""" start="00:00:42.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I want to point you to blog posts and source code""" start="00:00:47.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where you can find out more.""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That way, you don't need to try""" start="00:00:51.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to read and understand everything quickly.""" start="00:00:52.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You can find this presentation and other links""" start="00:00:55.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on the talk page at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf.""" start="00:00:57.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""There are a lot of different parts,""" start="00:01:04.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so I'll try to use this map to help make sense of it all.""" start="00:01:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Information""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""There's so much information to work with,""" start="00:01:09.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so it probably doesn't surprise you that we use Org Mode a lot.""" start="00:01:11.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Most of the conference coordination happens over e-mail,""" start="00:01:14.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which I can quickly search with notmuch.""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Some of the information is private,""" start="00:01:20.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like emergency contact numbers.""" start="00:01:22.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We store the talk information in a private Org file.""" start="00:01:24.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I try to put as much as possible""" start="00:01:28.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into our public organizers' notebook""" start="00:01:30.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that processes and decisions are documented.""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We need a public website.""" start="00:01:35.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We use Ikiwiki to make the webpages""" start="00:01:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because we can work with plain text files""" start="00:01:39.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in a Git repository.""" start="00:01:41.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We also make a few static HTML pages""" start="00:01:42.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for things where Ikiwiki is a little awkward.""" start="00:01:45.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We post announcements to mailing lists.""" start="00:01:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We also receive submissions in a private mailing list""" start="00:01:50.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that a number of people can review them.""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We have a backstage area""" start="00:01:55.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for sharing files with volunteers and speakers.""" start="00:01:56.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We share those files publicly when the talk goes live.""" start="00:01:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And there's all the other stuff that goes into running EmacsConf,""" start="00:02:03.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like shell scripts and configuration files.""" start="00:02:06.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Properties""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""First, speakers propose a talk by sending an e-mail.""" start="00:02:09.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We take the info from that e-mail and store it in Org properties""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that we can work with it later.""" start="00:02:15.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Every talk is identified with an ID,""" start="00:02:18.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but since `:ID:` and `:CUSTOM_ID:` have special meanings for Org,""" start="00:02:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I use `:SLUG:` as the keyword.""" start="00:02:24.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Speakers' names go into the `:NAME:` property,""" start="00:02:25.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and a short version goes into `:NAME_SHORT:`""" start="00:02:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that we can include that in a greeting.""" start="00:02:29.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If people follow the template closely...""" start="00:02:32.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""...we can even automatically fill in the Org subtree for their talk.""" start="00:02:34.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can use regular expressions to recognize the text""" start="00:02:38.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and extract the properties.""" start="00:02:40.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Other properties need to be set by hand.""" start="00:02:42.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I often mess things up when I retype them.""" start="00:02:45.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""To avoid typos, I have a function that sets a property""" start="00:02:47.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""based on the current region. I bind that to `C-c C-x p`.""" start="00:02:51.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That makes it much easier to set properties""" start="00:02:56.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that couldn't automatically be recognized.""" start="00:02:58.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes it makes sense to dynamically generate a property""" start="00:03:01.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then edit it, like with filenames.""" start="00:03:04.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We like to name all the talk files the same way,""" start="00:03:07.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but sometimes special characters in talk titles or speaker names""" start="00:03:10.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""need a little tweaking. I'll put that in a `:FILE_PREFIX:` property""" start="00:03:14.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so I can edit it.""" start="00:03:17.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""An Org property match can map over all the talk entries""" start="00:03:19.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that don't have `:FILE_PREFIX:` defined.""" start="00:03:22.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can use that `:FILE_PREFIX:` to rename files from Emacs.""" start="00:03:25.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""With that property, we can then rename files using that prefix,""" start="00:03:29.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some extra text, and the file extension.""" start="00:03:32.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes it's easier to work with the data outside Emacs,""" start="00:03:35.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when I want to rename files with a shell script.""" start="00:03:38.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If I export a subset of the data as JSON""" start="00:03:42.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or JavaScript Object Notation, using `json-encode`...""" start="00:03:45.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""... then I can extract the data with `jq`""" start="00:03:48.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and use it in shell scripts.""" start="00:03:51.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Timezones""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Another example of semi-structured information""" start="00:03:53.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is speaker availability.""" start="00:03:55.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We have speakers from all over the world,""" start="00:03:57.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so we try to schedule live Q&A sessions when they're around.""" start="00:03:59.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That means working with timezones.""" start="00:04:03.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Completion makes it much easier to set the timezone property""" start="00:04:05.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""without worrying about typos.""" start="00:04:08.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can take advantage of the timezone list from the tzc package,""" start="00:04:10.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which works with Unix timezone definitions.""" start="00:04:14.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then we can convert times using Emacs.""" start="00:04:17.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Using a standard format to encode the availability""" start="00:04:19.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""makes it easier to parse.""" start="00:04:22.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can use those availability constraints to report errors""" start="00:04:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when I'm experimenting with the schedule.""" start="00:04:27.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Scheduling""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Now that I have the availability information,""" start="00:04:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can think about scheduling.""" start="00:04:31.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""When we were planning EmacsConf 2022, the schedule was so full,""" start="00:04:33.941" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I wanted to see if we could make it more manageable""" start="00:04:38.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""by splitting it up into two tracks.""" start="00:04:40.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It was hard to think about times with just a table.""" start="00:04:43.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I was able to turn the schedule information""" start="00:04:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into an SVG to convince the other organizers""" start="00:04:48.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to get on board with this crazy plan.""" start="00:04:51.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the nice thing about SVGs is that""" start="00:04:53.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they can even be clickable on the wiki.""" start="00:04:54.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Being able to quickly make SVGs of different schedules""" start="00:04:57.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""also helped me test scheduling ideas and think out loud.""" start="00:05:00.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I could change the time between talks, the order of the talks,""" start="00:05:04.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and even what tracks the talks were in.""" start="00:05:06.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This was helpful when I needed to include""" start="00:05:08.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some late submissions or availability changes""" start="00:05:10.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I wanted to ask speakers what they thought.""" start="00:05:13.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They could see the different schedule options themselves.""" start="00:05:15.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's really nice to have Emacs Lisp support for working with SVGs.""" start="00:05:18.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I also love how I can have an Emacs Lisp block""" start="00:05:22.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in an Org Mode document that updates an SVG""" start="00:05:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that I can view right there in my text editor.""" start="00:05:28.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Setting the timezone lets me automatically translate times""" start="00:05:32.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to the speaker's local timezone when I e-mail them.""" start="00:05:34.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of using `format-time-string` with a timezone.""" start="00:05:37.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Templates""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""There's a lot of text to work with,""" start="00:05:41.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which means templates are super handy.""" start="00:05:43.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""There are a number of templating functions for Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:05:45.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like the built-in `tempo.el` or `s-lex-format` from `s.el`.""" start="00:05:48.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I ended up writing something""" start="00:05:52.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that works with property lists (plists) instead,""" start="00:05:54.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""since we use plists all over the emacsconf-el library.""" start="00:05:58.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""All it does is replace `${variable}`""" start="00:06:02.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with the value from a property list.""" start="00:06:04.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I use this mostly because I have a hard time""" start="00:06:05.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""keeping track of which `%s` is which when I use `format`,""" start="00:06:07.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and it's hard to get an overall view if I just use `concat`.""" start="00:06:11.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The code looks for the properties and replaces them with the values.""" start="00:06:14.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I just find it a little easier to think about sometimes.""" start="00:06:17.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Getting all the information is just a matter of going over""" start="00:06:21.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the talk entries using `org-map-entries`.""" start="00:06:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This builds the talk info by running a bunch of functions.""" start="00:06:27.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Some functions get the information from the Org file.""" start="00:06:30.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Other functions use the info already collected.""" start="00:06:33.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This can take a while to do again and again.""" start="00:06:36.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's useful to `memoize` this function""" start="00:06:39.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when I know I'll be using it a lot,""" start="00:06:41.740" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when I export the organizers notebook.""" start="00:06:43.500" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Memoize caches recent values.""" start="00:06:45.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Wiki""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We combine this templating function""" start="00:06:48.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with the talk information""" start="00:06:50.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to fill in the conference wiki,""" start="00:06:51.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""since that's a matter of writing templated strings to files.""" start="00:06:53.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The talk pages are generated once""" start="00:06:56.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then left alone for manual editing,""" start="00:06:58.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""while the navigation is regenerated""" start="00:07:00.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""every time we change the details.""" start="00:07:02.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Here are some examples""" start="00:07:04.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of how we fill in the conference wiki.""" start="00:07:05.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We put in the format of the talk, how Q&A works,""" start="00:07:07.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and what the status is.""" start="00:07:10.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Once the talk is live, we include the video""" start="00:07:12.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the links to the files, too.""" start="00:07:14.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The code is a little bit long,""" start="00:07:17.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but the important part is that""" start="00:07:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we fill in a plist with the values we calculate,""" start="00:07:20.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then we can use `emacsconf-replace-plist-in-string`""" start="00:07:22.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to put that all together.""" start="00:07:26.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The schedule is a little more complicated.""" start="00:07:28.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I wrote an Ikiwiki directive""" start="00:07:30.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that the markup is more manageable,""" start="00:07:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the Emacs Lisp function uses that.""" start="00:07:34.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The Ikiwiki directive takes all the data and turns it into HTML...""" start="00:07:36.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""...so we can use Emacs Lisp to iterate over""" start="00:07:40.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a slightly smaller property list""" start="00:07:42.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and put them into the format Ikiwiki expects.""" start="00:07:44.820" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's nice to be able to navigate between talks""" start="00:07:47.780" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""without going back to the schedule page each time.""" start="00:07:50.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This is handled by keeping two extra copies of the list:""" start="00:07:52.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""one with the first talk popped off,""" start="00:07:55.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and one with an extra element added to the beginning.""" start="00:07:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then we can use the heads of those lists""" start="00:08:00.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for next/previous links.""" start="00:08:02.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Etherpad""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Links to the next talks are also handy""" start="00:08:04.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on the collaborative Etherpad documents""" start="00:08:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we use for collecting questions, answers, and notes""" start="00:08:08.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""during each talk.""" start="00:08:12.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Etherpad has an API...""" start="00:08:12.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""...so I can start the pads off with a template""" start="00:08:15.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""before the conference.""" start="00:08:17.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't want to accidentally overwrite a pad""" start="00:08:18.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that has been manually edited.""" start="00:08:21.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can save the timestamp of the last modification""" start="00:08:22.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then compare it before overwriting.""" start="00:08:25.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""E-mail""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Templates are also very handy when it comes to e-mail.""" start="00:08:28.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails one at a time,""" start="00:08:31.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when we let a speaker know""" start="00:08:33.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we've received their proposal.""" start="00:08:35.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's mostly a matter of plugging the talk's properties""" start="00:08:36.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into the right places in the template.""" start="00:08:39.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes we send e-mails to lots of speakers at the same time,""" start="00:08:41.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when we send them instructions for uploading their files.""" start="00:08:45.020" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Instead of sending one e-mail and Bcc-ing everyone,""" start="00:08:48.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or sending people multiple e-mails""" start="00:08:51.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because they have multiple talks,""" start="00:08:53.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I like to draft these as individual e-mails""" start="00:08:55.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to each speaker (or group of speakers,""" start="00:08:57.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if more than one person is associated with a talk).""" start="00:08:59.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That gives me an opportunity to personalize it further.""" start="00:09:02.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""BigBlueButton web conferences""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Many speakers answer questions live""" start="00:09:05.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in BigBlueButton web conference rooms.""" start="00:09:08.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Setting up one room per group of speakers""" start="00:09:10.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""makes it easy to give the speakers the details""" start="00:09:12.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and associate the recorded video with the talk afterwards.""" start="00:09:15.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2023,""" start="00:09:18.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I used Spookfox to control Mozilla Firefox from Emacs""" start="00:09:20.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that I could automate creating the rooms""" start="00:09:25.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and adding the URLs to the talk properties in my Org file.""" start="00:09:27.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then I can use mail merge to send each speaker""" start="00:09:30.957" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the check-in instructions for their specific room.""" start="00:09:33.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Some speakers will take questions by e-mail""" start="00:09:36.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""after the conference instead of attending live,""" start="00:09:39.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so we send them shorter instructions""" start="00:09:41.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just in case they want to drop by.""" start="00:09:43.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Live Q&A sessions]: After the first rush of questions,""" start="00:09:45.540" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we can open it up for other people to join.""" start="00:09:47.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This is handled by changing the public page""" start="00:09:50.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from one that just refreshes in a loop""" start="00:09:53.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to one that redirects to the actual web conference room.""" start="00:09:55.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Just in case, we also""" start="00:09:58.821" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""generate static copies of those redirects""" start="00:10:00.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that we can copy them if needed.""" start="00:10:02.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That way, I don't have to count on Emacs being able to""" start="00:10:04.300" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""publish them over TRAMP.""" start="00:10:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Shortcuts""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""During the conference, I'm often jumping from talk to talk.""" start="00:10:08.121" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Instead of going to the Org file""" start="00:10:11.660" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then searching for the talk,""" start="00:10:13.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I've made a little Hydra with keyboard shortcuts.""" start="00:10:14.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""One of these shortcuts lets me""" start="00:10:17.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""jump to a talk with completion""" start="00:10:19.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that I can just type in part of the talk ID,""" start="00:10:20.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""title, or speaker name.""" start="00:10:24.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I've also defined some Embark actions""" start="00:10:26.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that I can act on a talk right from the completion menu.""" start="00:10:28.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For example, I might want to jump to the wiki page""" start="00:10:32.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or e-mail the speaker.""" start="00:10:35.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Logbook""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can also add notes to a talk while looking at an email,""" start="00:10:36.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when a speaker lets me know""" start="00:10:40.100" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that their video will be late.""" start="00:10:41.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Making it easy to add a note turns Emacs into""" start="00:10:43.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a very basic contact relationship management system, or CRM.""" start="00:10:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The way this works is that we have a function""" start="00:10:49.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that lists all the email addresses associated with a talk.""" start="00:10:52.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can then map that over the list of talks,""" start="00:10:55.460" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""look up the author of the current email,""" start="00:10:57.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""prompt the user for the talk to add the note to, and add the note.""" start="00:10:59.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Captions""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""On to captions.""" start="00:11:03.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We've been doing captions for the last couple of years,""" start="00:11:04.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and now we have a small army of volunteer captioners.""" start="00:11:07.240" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They get early access to the recorded talks""" start="00:11:10.420" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and fix up misrecognized words, format keyboard shortcuts""" start="00:11:12.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to follow Emacs conventions, spell names correctly,""" start="00:11:16.160" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and do all sorts of other wonderful things.""" start="00:11:19.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""One of our evil plans with EmacsConf""" start="00:11:21.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is to get cool stuff out of people's heads into videos""" start="00:11:24.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and also make captions so that those videos can be searched.""" start="00:11:28.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""To make that possible, we first need a backstage area""" start="00:11:32.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where volunteers can get the files.""" start="00:11:35.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This is just a simple password-protected directory""" start="00:11:36.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with a static HTML page that lists the talks by status""" start="00:11:39.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and shows the files related to each talk.""" start="00:11:43.740" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""As a talk moves through the process, I update its TODO state""" start="00:11:46.380" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and republish this index.""" start="00:11:49.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Talks that are ready to be captioned show up in that section,""" start="00:11:51.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and volunteers can call dibs on the talk they're interested in.""" start="00:11:54.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's all done with a function that formats the information""" start="00:11:58.180" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and uses TRAMP to save the file directly to the server.""" start="00:12:00.980" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You can find more details on our captioning process""" start="00:12:04.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at emacsconf.org/captioning.""" start="00:12:06.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I like using subed to edit subtitles within Emacs.""" start="00:12:09.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Crontabs and playing the talks""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's talk about actually playing the talks.""" start="00:12:13.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For EmacsConf 2022, we tried using Emacs timers""" start="00:12:16.060" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to run the talks.""" start="00:12:19.560" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It turns out that you can't call TRAMP from a timer""" start="00:12:20.940" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when you're already using TRAMP from another timer""" start="00:12:24.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at the same time.""" start="00:12:26.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I thought about just tweaking the schedule""" start="00:12:27.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that we always start things at different times,""" start="00:12:29.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I figured there's probably a more elegant way to do this.""" start="00:12:31.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This year, I'm planning to experiment with using cron""" start="00:12:35.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to start talks on autopilot.""" start="00:12:37.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The shell scripts will take care of playing the videos...""" start="00:12:39.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""... figuring out the appropriate Q&A...""" start="00:12:42.480" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""... and joining the web conference if needed.""" start="00:12:44.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We just need to format the information...""" start="00:12:47.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""...and install it as the track's crontab.""" start="00:12:49.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's useful to be able to switch tracks""" start="00:12:52.220" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to manual mode independently,""" start="00:12:54.080" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just in case things go haywire.""" start="00:12:55.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then we can start everything manually.""" start="00:12:57.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can also manually update a talk's status,""" start="00:13:00.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like when the host tells me that it's okay to open up the Q&A.""" start="00:13:02.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The shell scripts we run from the crontab""" start="00:13:06.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can also update the talk status themselves.""" start="00:13:08.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Transitions""" start="00:13:11.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then a bunch of things automatically happen based on""" start="00:13:11.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the talk status changes.""" start="00:13:14.320" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This uses `org-after-todo-state-change-hook`.""" start="00:13:15.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We get the talk information""" start="00:13:18.960" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and pass it to a list of functions.""" start="00:13:20.360" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Internet Relay Chat or IRC is an easy way for people""" start="00:13:22.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to join the conversation around EmacsConf.""" start="00:13:26.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We announce a talk whenever it changes state.""" start="00:13:29.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""For example, when a talk starts,""" start="00:13:31.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we post the URLs to the talk webpage""" start="00:13:33.600" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the Etherpad for questions. We change the topic as well,""" start="00:13:36.040" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so anyone can see the current talk's information""" start="00:13:39.440" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even if they're a little late.""" start="00:13:41.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This is easy to do with a little bit of Emacs Lisp""" start="00:13:43.180" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because (of course!) Emacs has an IRC client.""" start="00:13:45.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""In fact, it has several.""" start="00:13:48.520" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template new="1" text="""Wrapping up""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It seems like a lot of automation and Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:13:49.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but really, all of this was just built up little by little.""" start="00:13:53.140" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And tinkering with this is *fun*, you know?""" start="00:13:56.900" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's like always being able to ask,""" start="00:13:59.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text=""""Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..."""" start="00:14:01.260" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then actually being able to go and do it.""" start="00:14:03.301" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes it feels like EmacsConf is an excuse""" start="00:14:05.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for me to play with Emacs.""" start="00:14:08.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's pretty amazing what you can do""" start="00:14:10.200" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""by combining a bunch of pieces.""" start="00:14:12.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""A way to store slightly-structured information.""" start="00:14:13.800" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""A way to get it out again. Templates.""" start="00:14:16.720" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""TRAMP, for working with remote files""" start="00:14:18.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and running remote commands.""" start="00:14:20.680" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""A way to talk to a web browser.""" start="00:14:21.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""A way to work with SVGs.""" start="00:14:23.840" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""An email client. A chat client.""" start="00:14:25.400" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You can smoosh them all together""" start="00:14:27.760" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in a way that you couldn't if they were all separate things.""" start="00:14:29.640" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The code is in the emacsconf-el repository.""" start="00:14:32.700" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's a bit of a tangle because it's accumulating organically""" start="00:14:36.280" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I haven't really had the brainspace""" start="00:14:39.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to step back and clean it up.""" start="00:14:40.880" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But if you spotted anything interesting in this presentation,""" start="00:14:42.580" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you can go check it out and see what you can scavenge.""" start="00:14:45.920" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The link and this presentation are available""" start="00:14:48.620" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from this talk's webpage at emacsconf.org/2023/talks/emacsconf .""" start="00:14:51.000" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's figure out how to make Emacsconf even awesomer next year!""" start="00:14:59.120" video="mainVideo-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] Captioner: sachac # Q&A transcript (unedited) [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right. I have unmuted.""" start="00:00:53.489" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's been a while since I've actually done an""" start="00:00:59.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actual presentation. Hi.""" start="00:01:05.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay. I'm going to deafen myself and mumble""" start="00:01:08.979" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that I don't get distracted by backstage""" start="00:01:12.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""chatter. Hello, everyone! Okay,""" start="00:01:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so where are we? Questions,""" start="00:01:17.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""questions, questions. Okay,""" start="00:01:20.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""how easy would it be for someone else to""" start="00:01:23.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""reuse the Emacs conf strips and config to do""" start="00:01:25.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a conf of their own? 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But optimistically,""" start="00:01:42.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have put most of the EmacsConf things,""" start="00:01:46.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like EmacsConf, the name of the conference""" start="00:01:48.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and things like that in variables.""" start="00:01:50.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So if theoretically someone were to run an""" start="00:01:53.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""org mode conference or something like that,""" start="00:01:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it might be possible to reuse all this code.""" start="00:01:58.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We'll see. I don't know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""easy. I don't even know if it's going to be""" start="00:02:03.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""possible, but it might be fun to try.""" start="00:02:04.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What tools would I like to exist in Emacs""" start="00:02:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""land to help with preparing the conference""" start="00:02:11.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""next time? Well, I've already been thinking""" start="00:02:15.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about adjustments that I want to make to""" start="00:02:18.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sub-eds so that the audio synchronization""" start="00:02:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""issues that we sometimes have with FFmpeg can""" start="00:02:24.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""be something that I can flag and maybe fix""" start="00:02:26.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even while I'm watching a video.""" start="00:02:29.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But also as much as possible,""" start="00:02:32.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I like to leave the actual FFMPEG audio and""" start="00:02:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""visual tinkering with to other people like""" start="00:02:39.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo, whose patience is slightly more than""" start="00:02:41.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mine, because audio is,""" start="00:02:44.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I still don't have the patience to sit for""" start="00:02:47.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it. You can tell I talk really,""" start="00:02:48.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""really quickly. I'm still trying to squeeze""" start="00:02:50.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything into however little focus time I""" start="00:02:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually have. So it would be kind of nice to""" start="00:02:56.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""use that. Emacs is already doing quite a ton""" start="00:03:00.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and stuffing more multimedia processing and""" start="00:03:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other fun things into it might be""" start="00:03:06.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interesting. Who knows?""" start="00:03:07.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Oh, the other thing that I would really love""" start="00:03:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to have that people always ask for is a way""" start="00:03:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from Emacs to interact with the Etherpad.""" start="00:03:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The Etherpad API, it seems very granular.""" start="00:03:18.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like, you can set the HTML of a pad,""" start="00:03:21.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but you can't actually just append stuff to""" start="00:03:22.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it. And I was trying to get something that""" start="00:03:24.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""could take questions from IRC and""" start="00:03:26.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""automatically push them into the pad,""" start="00:03:28.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even from an ERC bot or whatever,""" start="00:03:30.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but no go. If someone were to figure out some""" start="00:03:34.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""CRDT thing where we can collaboratively edit""" start="00:03:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the document, that I think is the number 1""" start="00:03:41.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""request that people always have around""" start="00:03:42.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf. That would be really cool to do""" start="00:03:46.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more of the conference itself from within""" start="00:03:48.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs. I don't know if actually,""" start="00:03:53.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well, we have an org file now that launches""" start="00:03:55.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the MPV from Emacs. But if you want to have""" start="00:03:59.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""an ex-widget or something else watching the""" start="00:04:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference from within Emacs itself.""" start="00:04:03.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think that will also be really cool.""" start="00:04:05.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes. And then other fun stuff.""" start="00:04:09.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""OK, how can speakers and viewers help make""" start="00:04:12.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""preparing for next year's Emacs Conf even""" start="00:04:15.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more fun for the organizers?""" start="00:04:16.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Well, I love it when not only do the speakers""" start="00:04:20.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do all that work to prepare their talk,""" start="00:04:24.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but lately people have actually even been""" start="00:04:27.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""volunteering to caption their own talks.""" start="00:04:29.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And that's great because then they know the""" start="00:04:33.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""words that they use. And if I can show them""" start="00:04:36.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the workflow that we have so that they can do""" start="00:04:39.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it very efficiently, because there's all""" start="00:04:41.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""these wonderful things that I do now with""" start="00:04:44.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Subweb Waveform and Aeneas for like the""" start="00:04:48.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""forced alignment so we can get timestamps""" start="00:04:49.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from text and all these other fun things that""" start="00:04:53.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""make getting a transcript or editing the""" start="00:04:55.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""captions fun and easy.""" start="00:04:57.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That makes it easier for not only speakers to""" start="00:05:00.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""contribute captions for their own talks,""" start="00:05:02.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but also interested volunteers who,""" start="00:05:05.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as mentioned, get early access to all the""" start="00:05:07.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talks and can watch them at leisure.""" start="00:05:09.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's, you know, nice prick there.""" start="00:05:12.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Definitely should try that.""" start="00:05:13.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I do have some sample videos of how we use""" start="00:05:19.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""subed. But of course, in the process of""" start="00:05:21.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""shoving like 30 or 40 talks,""" start="00:05:24.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""maybe 30 talks through it for EmacsConf,""" start="00:05:26.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this is like the stress test season for""" start="00:05:29.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""subed, which is great,""" start="00:05:30.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I ended up adding more features.""" start="00:05:31.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So 1 of my big to-dos afterwards is I have to""" start="00:05:36.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""document the different workflows for things""" start="00:05:38.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, okay, you've got a script.""" start="00:05:40.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You can use WDiff to get word diffs so you""" start="00:05:43.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can take the subtitles and compare them with""" start="00:05:45.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the original script and see where the""" start="00:05:47.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""misrecognized words are.""" start="00:05:48.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And that's great. Or you can use SubWeb""" start="00:05:52.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Waveform to start adjusting things.""" start="00:05:54.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Or for example, if there's a synchronization""" start="00:05:56.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""issue, I can now middle click on a subtitle""" start="00:06:01.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where I want the subtitle to actually start""" start="00:06:03.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then move all the subtitles to start at""" start="00:06:06.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that point. So it's getting to be a really""" start="00:06:09.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""elaborate tool. And I definitely need to""" start="00:06:10.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""document that and stick all the blog post""" start="00:06:15.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""links into the readme so that people can find""" start="00:06:17.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this in the future. So it's very,""" start="00:06:20.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""very nifty. And the reason why we do this is""" start="00:06:23.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because, well, personally,""" start="00:06:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have a hard time sitting and watching""" start="00:06:26.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""videos. I like to be able to just jump to the""" start="00:06:28.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interesting parts or watch it at 3 times""" start="00:06:31.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""speed, which MPV lets me do.""" start="00:06:33.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the text makes it a lot more searchable,""" start="00:06:36.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is fantastic. And also because,""" start="00:06:38.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, if you've got all these interesting""" start="00:06:41.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""variable names and key bindings and whatever,""" start="00:06:44.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the automatic subtitles just don't do the""" start="00:06:47.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right thing. So it's nice that people do the""" start="00:06:49.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""captioning. So, yeah, so that's 1 thing that""" start="00:06:53.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people can help with. Captioning is always""" start="00:06:55.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""very interesting. And the other thing that""" start="00:06:57.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people can do is take the inspiration that""" start="00:07:00.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you get from EmacsConf and from the ideas""" start="00:07:02.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that you have when you're working with Emacs,""" start="00:07:04.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and suggest talks for next year's EmacsConf.""" start="00:07:07.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it doesn't have to be a super fancy,""" start="00:07:09.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""nobody else needs to go out and do a really""" start="00:07:13.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""professional-looking video.""" start="00:07:14.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Even though Howard has set the bar this you""" start="00:07:17.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""know it's pretty high you don't have to do""" start="00:07:19.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that kind of thing it can be just you in a""" start="00:07:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""screen or even just a screen and you talking""" start="00:07:24.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about this cool thing that you learned and""" start="00:07:27.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they could be a video or it could be a blog""" start="00:07:29.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""post it could be something else and that""" start="00:07:31.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""those those things are fantastic because they""" start="00:07:34.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""inspire people to see what's possible with""" start="00:07:36.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs. So that's another big thing that""" start="00:07:39.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people can do to help.""" start="00:07:40.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And then there's sharing the word about it.""" start="00:07:44.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So if you saw something that you really like,""" start="00:07:46.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if you write a blog post about it or a tweet""" start="00:07:48.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or a toot or whatever else you want to do,""" start="00:07:51.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you make a reaction video,""" start="00:07:52.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that helps other people discover that stuff""" start="00:07:55.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not just today, not just next week,""" start="00:07:57.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but you know even later as they search for""" start="00:08:00.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""these words that as people search for ideas""" start="00:08:04.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""using words that are not necessarily the ones""" start="00:08:07.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in the video, you describing things in other""" start="00:08:10.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ways helps with the search engine""" start="00:08:11.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""optimization, you're not really,""" start="00:08:13.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's just people finding stuff,""" start="00:08:15.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is amazing. So yes,""" start="00:08:17.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""please write about the cool things that""" start="00:08:19.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you've seen and what you'd like to tell other""" start="00:08:22.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people about. Suggesting ideas for talks.""" start="00:08:25.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes. Making talks. All sorts of wonderful""" start="00:08:30.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things. OK. Could you elaborate on the""" start="00:08:35.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""workflow that goes on in your mind for when""" start="00:08:37.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""approaching these things?""" start="00:08:38.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do you start with an Emacs org solution right""" start="00:08:40.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""off the bat at this point when faced with a""" start="00:08:42.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""task? Are there some conscious steps involved""" start="00:08:44.059" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from early ideas to automation of the kind""" start="00:08:46.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you just showed? Mostly it starts with,""" start="00:08:48.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""okay, we got to do this thing.""" start="00:08:50.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I have this to-do. 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So some prioritization""" start="00:09:09.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""happens. But a lot of times it's like,""" start="00:09:12.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""okay, you know, like this,""" start="00:09:13.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there's a thing that I need to do here.""" start="00:09:14.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know how to figure it out,""" start="00:09:15.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""let me start an org Babble block and start""" start="00:09:18.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sketching out something,""" start="00:09:19.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, custom function or whatever else,""" start="00:09:22.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then say okay, you know,""" start="00:09:23.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hey, that looks kind of useful,""" start="00:09:25.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""let me see if I can generalize that,""" start="00:09:27.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then let me stick it into the library so""" start="00:09:29.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that I can find it next year.""" start="00:09:30.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And that's basically how it goes.""" start="00:09:33.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It just goes, it just like,""" start="00:09:35.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have a thing that I need to do.""" start="00:09:37.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If it's, if I'm going to do it more than""" start="00:09:40.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""once, or actually even if I'm going to do it,""" start="00:09:42.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, once I tried to automate it just so""" start="00:09:44.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that I can understand it and,""" start="00:09:46.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then I can, I can,""" start="00:09:47.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can squeeze it into like the 15 minutes I""" start="00:09:50.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually have and I can pause and I can pick""" start="00:09:54.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it up again and the code is still there and""" start="00:09:56.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""my notes are still there?""" start="00:09:57.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And then every little bit of the,""" start="00:10:00.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template 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much, Leo,""" start="00:10:39.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for doing all of that stuff and the hosting""" start="00:10:41.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and all the other things.""" start="00:10:42.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I tend to do most of the Emacs list""" start="00:10:45.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""fiddling with and the shell scripting and""" start="00:10:48.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stuff like that, aside from the FFmpeg""" start="00:10:49.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""incantations, which are too arcane for me to""" start="00:10:53.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even think about. 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There's so many amazing ideas.""" start="00:11:43.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I want to fit into the time.""" start="00:11:45.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And then afterwards, like,""" start="00:11:46.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha, do not mess with production the day""" start="00:11:49.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""before the conference.""" start="00:11:50.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You're going to save that for after the""" start="00:11:52.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference, right? So that's the hardest""" start="00:11:54.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""part, is just saying, OK,""" start="00:11:56.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yes, that's an idea. 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I used the HyperBowl package""" start="00:16:52.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to go straight to the web pages to all the""" start="00:16:55.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""either pads but you can also have some quick""" start="00:16:59.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""functions to go into a CRDT buffer hosted""" start="00:17:04.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""buffer, where all the org mode Etherpad""" start="00:17:07.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""documents would be. And then that would get""" start="00:17:14.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everybody using Emacs,""" start="00:17:15.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then they could all be chatting with each""" start="00:17:17.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other with CRDT, with controlling Emacs.""" start="00:17:23.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know how the sub stuff,""" start="00:17:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know if you can get the sub stuff in""" start="00:17:27.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there working, but yeah,""" start="00:17:29.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It could be a good way of getting it all""" start="00:17:32.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""wrapped up together. And also,""" start="00:17:34.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Mkron, if you ever looked at that versus""" start="00:17:38.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Kron, Mkron is configured in Elisp.""" start="00:17:40.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Then you can also write some custom functions""" start="00:17:43.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in the middle of your Kron.""" start="00:17:44.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So maybe you could make some like conditional""" start="00:17:46.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things where you can start or stop it.""" start="00:17:48.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And like 1 of the differences is if your""" start="00:17:56.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""computer reboots, it can start up and say,""" start="00:17:58.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, I'm supposed to run this cron job at this""" start="00:18:01.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time and then just Do the correct thing""" start="00:18:04.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""rather than losing the state Randomly because""" start="00:18:08.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""your computer lost power""" start="00:18:10.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Thanks for those recommendations I will add""" start="00:18:15.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mcron to my list of things to check out.""" start="00:18:17.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And yeah, we finally remembered to publish""" start="00:18:23.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all those schedules as org,""" start="00:18:25.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I decided to just spam all the time zones""" start="00:18:27.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with them, which was fantastic.""" start="00:18:28.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And other people have mentioned that this is""" start="00:18:30.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""useful. We get to figure out how to use this""" start="00:18:32.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to teach people more about what you can do""" start="00:18:35.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with org. As you mentioned,""" start="00:18:36.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""encouraging them to tag the stuff with things""" start="00:18:40.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that they want to attend gives us the ability""" start="00:18:43.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to set up an agenda view for them that has""" start="00:18:45.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the talks that are tagged with those tags.""" start="00:18:47.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So I""" start="00:18:48.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: was like, okay, let's,""" start="00:18:49.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""let's teach org mode and lisp in the process""" start="00:18:53.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of doing things. Okay,""" start="00:18:58.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there was a question about any chance of an""" start="00:19:00.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in person EmacsConf again someday.""" start="00:19:02.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I was actually at the very first EMAX""" start="00:19:05.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Conf, which was 2013 and organized in London""" start="00:19:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to take advantage of the fact that I had a""" start="00:19:12.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""business shift there. It was fantastic being""" start="00:19:15.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in a room with 100 other people who are all""" start="00:19:18.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""really interested in Emacs,""" start="00:19:19.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I'm not traveling like any time for the""" start="00:19:23.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""foreseeable future, so if other people are""" start="00:19:25.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interested in organizing something like that,""" start="00:19:27.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I am totally happy to spread the word.""" start="00:19:29.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It doesn't fit with my current lifestyle,""" start="00:19:31.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it might fit somebody's.""" start="00:19:32.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know. We're still just here.""" start="00:19:37.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I like the virtual conference.""" start="00:19:38.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I really like the fact that we can bring""" start="00:19:41.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""together people from all over the world.""" start="00:19:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can take a look at my schedule with all the""" start="00:19:46.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time constraints. Okay,""" start="00:19:47.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I need to put this person in the morning""" start="00:19:49.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because they're in Australia and I need to""" start="00:19:50.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""put this person in the afternoon because""" start="00:19:52.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they're from Vancouver or from somewhere else""" start="00:19:56.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in the Pacific time zone.""" start="00:19:58.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's just this breadth of people.""" start="00:20:01.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But the other thing that I would love for""" start="00:20:04.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people to start thinking about is if we could""" start="00:20:06.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have a virtual conference in other time""" start="00:20:08.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""zones, so that's easier for people in Asia""" start="00:20:11.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Pacific or Europe to attend.""" start="00:20:12.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And as we're getting the hang of this,""" start="00:20:16.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this crontab-based thing,""" start="00:20:17.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think we might almost be at the point where""" start="00:20:20.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can set it up to run even when I'm""" start="00:20:22.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sleeping. And then other people can figure""" start="00:20:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out, you know, the exception handling,""" start="00:20:26.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, you know, this talk needs to be""" start="00:20:27.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""restarted. Okay, just play it again and scrub""" start="00:20:30.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""around to find the right part,""" start="00:20:31.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which means we could have replays,""" start="00:20:34.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or we can have like the Asia Pacific""" start="00:20:37.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Alternate Event that we had the other time""" start="00:20:39.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where some speakers came back online and did""" start="00:20:45.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""another Q&A session just for that kind of""" start="00:20:48.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""event. So those are other cool,""" start="00:20:51.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""fun things that would love to be,""" start="00:20:52.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would be great. Satellite events,""" start="00:20:57.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""someone mentioned in the etherpad.""" start="00:20:59.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Some people have been organizing these,""" start="00:21:03.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which are great. Basically a bunch of people""" start="00:21:05.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""get together in a room or 2 rooms now because""" start="00:21:07.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of the tracks and watch Emacs Conf together.""" start="00:21:10.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So if you have a physical meetup or if you'd""" start="00:21:12.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like to start 1, It's basically,""" start="00:21:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, do this, maybe have stickers if you""" start="00:21:17.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have stickers. You know,""" start="00:21:19.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's just have everyone come over and hang""" start="00:21:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out and meet people. I don't know.""" start="00:21:24.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's a thing. Specifically how to do it,""" start="00:21:27.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have no idea how to organize these things.""" start="00:21:29.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But Alain does. So talk to him.""" start="00:21:32.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Another way of adding multiple tracks is""" start="00:21:35.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""changing it to doing it like 2 times a year,""" start="00:21:37.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in max confidence.""" start="00:21:39.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, yeah, people have mentioned something""" start="00:21:44.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like that. Or the fact that org often has""" start="00:21:50.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like a full day of talks by itself,""" start="00:21:51.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and actually a little bit more than a day""" start="00:21:53.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""now, because I've been squeezing things into""" start="00:21:55.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other tracks. There has been some potential""" start="00:21:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interest in having an org conf.""" start="00:22:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It could be a thing. And I'd love to see""" start="00:22:03.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""also, we'd love to experiment with other""" start="00:22:05.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""formats. So there could be a bug hunting""" start="00:22:08.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""session or let's use the breakout rooms to""" start="00:22:13.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""split up into little mentoring groups and see""" start="00:22:15.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""how that works. So lots of things that we can""" start="00:22:18.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do. They've actually finished over in the Gen""" start="00:22:21.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""track so I don't know if people want to very""" start="00:22:24.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""quickly ask questions here or if we go there.""" start="00:22:26.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo has come over here instead so okay he's""" start="00:22:31.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""joining over here on the other side.""" start="00:22:32.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay, hello.""" start="00:22:35.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I""" start="00:22:38.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: have 1 thing to add. Yeah,""" start="00:22:43.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: No, no, no, I was just about to say I am not""" start="00:22:46.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hosting anymore. You 2 do a wonderful job,""" start="00:22:48.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I'm happy to just watch.""" start="00:22:49.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: go ahead. Cool. Yeah, I was going to add 1""" start="00:22:53.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""quick note about any potential suggestions or""" start="00:22:56.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""recommendations for hosting Emacs on""" start="00:22:58.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""satellites. Is that, I mean,""" start="00:23:00.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""given that we are an event centered around""" start="00:23:01.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs, and Emacs is backed by the Free""" start="00:23:07.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Software Foundation, if you do reach out to""" start="00:23:09.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""them, they're usually pretty helpful in terms""" start="00:23:11.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of sending goodies and stickers and such.""" start="00:23:14.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So yeah, if you give them a heads up and""" start="00:23:16.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""reach out to them in advance,""" start="00:23:17.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you might well end up with a whole bunch of""" start="00:23:20.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""swag on your hands that you could give out""" start="00:23:22.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""during the satellite. So that's the thing.""" start="00:23:24.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Well, I just wanted to note it felt kind of""" start="00:23:35.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even smoother. I mean,""" start="00:23:37.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you guys always run a nice conference,""" start="00:23:39.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it felt smoother this year than ever""" start="00:23:43.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""before, which listening to your talk,""" start="00:23:45.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha, All the automation that you're doing""" start="00:23:48.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is pretty incredible. So I think it's paying""" start="00:23:52.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""off.""" start="00:23:52.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yay! You know, it is very amusing to hear the""" start="00:23:58.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""host say, okay, you know,""" start="00:23:59.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but we've got to wrap up in the next 30""" start="00:24:00.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""seconds because Sasha's contact is going to""" start="00:24:02.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""go yoink!""" start="00:24:03.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: I have a person I work with who keeps the""" start="00:24:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""trains running on time shall we say and like""" start="00:24:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""cuts off every meeting like the second that""" start="00:24:18.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's supposed to end while somebody's in""" start="00:24:21.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mid-sentence and I hope we don't get to that""" start="00:24:24.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point here.""" start="00:24:25.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So do we have any more,""" start="00:24:34.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: oh sorry I'm reverting to the hosting,""" start="00:24:36.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do we have any more questions for MaxConf?""" start="00:24:37.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Although maybe we want to switch to the other""" start="00:24:39.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""room so that we don't struggle too much to""" start="00:24:41.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""find... Organize the stuff on BBB afterwards.""" start="00:24:44.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, the recording. Well,""" start="00:24:46.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this is a way to make sure the recording gets""" start="00:24:48.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""online. But we could do that too.""" start="00:24:54.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know. What do y'all think?""" start="00:24:55.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I'm personally fine. If we want to stay here""" start="00:25:00.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right now, the development track is currently""" start="00:25:02.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""streaming this BBB room.""" start="00:25:05.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So are we on Jen. So we're going to leave it""" start="00:25:08.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at is and move into closing remarks if we""" start="00:25:10.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""want.""" start="00:25:10.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, just, I guess,""" start="00:25:14.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""make sure that every 1 of the organizers are""" start="00:25:17.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here. I see Flo here. Let's see,""" start="00:25:20.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Corbyn, are you here? Can you maybe speak""" start="00:25:23.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here on BBB?""" start="00:25:24.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: We'll give some time for Corbyn to figure it""" start="00:25:32.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out. He did figure it out eventually""" start="00:25:33.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yesterday, so surely today will go""" start="00:25:36.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""swimmingly.""" start="00:25:36.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Right. We're getting everything ready,""" start="00:25:47.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""folks.""" start="00:25:47.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. So while we sort out Corwin,""" start="00:25:57.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can someone tell him on mumble,""" start="00:25:58.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess? Because I'm not sure if he's...""" start="00:26:00.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Anyway. I also want to say that in the Emacs""" start="00:26:05.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference channel, people have been""" start="00:26:06.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mentioning that the remote stuff has been""" start="00:26:08.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""working for them. And I really do like the""" start="00:26:10.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""way that this means we can have all the""" start="00:26:12.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""videos, you know, all prepared,""" start="00:26:13.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they're captioned, you know,""" start="00:26:16.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can send them to people,""" start="00:26:17.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we can post them on the website afterwards.""" start="00:26:19.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We can bring all these people together who""" start="00:26:21.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""might not be able to convince their companies""" start="00:26:23.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to fly them somewhere for an Emacs""" start="00:26:25.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference. And also I can do this kind of""" start="00:26:29.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""prep while having my now seven-year-old still""" start="00:26:32.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""be able to wander by and whatever.""" start="00:26:34.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Travelling is really tough.""" start="00:26:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, this is fine. This is cool.""" start="00:26:39.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I like this. We'll keep doing it.""" start="00:26:40.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: It's definitely playing into the low-cost""" start="00:26:44.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference. To do it online,""" start="00:26:46.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So many people can just access it very""" start="00:26:48.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""easily. All right, so we've messaged Colwyn.""" start="00:26:53.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess we can get started with Dalim.""" start="00:26:55.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It should maybe take a minute or 2 to join""" start="00:26:57.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""us. Should I get started with the Final words""" start="00:27:01.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of the day? All right,""" start="00:27:04.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""cool. All right, folks,""" start="00:27:05.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we made it. We are at the end of the second""" start="00:27:08.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""day of EmacsConf, the second of 2 days.""" start="00:27:10.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the first thing I want to say is first,""" start="00:27:12.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thank you so much for joining us for this new""" start="00:27:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""edition. It's personally my fourth year doing""" start="00:27:19.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the EmacsConf, but if you go to emacsconf-org""" start="00:27:22.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and you see the different sessions,""" start="00:27:24.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you will realize that the first 1 was in""" start="00:27:27.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""2013, which happens to be 10 years ago.""" start="00:27:29.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we are obviously very excited about all of""" start="00:27:33.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this and we'll tell you perhaps a little more""" start="00:27:35.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about what has changed over the last 10""" start="00:27:38.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""years. As usual, you know the pre-recorded""" start="00:27:41.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talks are available right now on the talk""" start="00:27:44.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""page, at least for all those which were""" start="00:27:46.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""pre-recorded. All the ones which happened on""" start="00:27:48.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Google button, it will take us a little""" start="00:27:50.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bit of time to figure out how to,""" start="00:27:52.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well, when to put them available.""" start="00:27:54.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We need to do subtitles and all this jazzy""" start="00:27:56.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stuff. And we'll also upload them to YouTube""" start="00:27:59.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and other places once we check the audio,""" start="00:28:01.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""especially for the Q&As.""" start="00:28:02.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We need to clean up some of the audios and""" start="00:28:05.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""make sure that we do not publish any personal""" start="00:28:08.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stuff. All the live talks and Q&As will do""" start="00:28:13.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this in the weeks to come.""" start="00:28:14.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Usually, it takes us about 1 to 2 months to""" start="00:28:16.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""try to get everything out,""" start="00:28:17.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but if it takes longer,""" start="00:28:18.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's fine. Eventually,""" start="00:28:19.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything will be there.""" start="00:28:20.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""The 1 thing we can say is that by EmacsConf""" start="00:28:23.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""2024, when it comes around,""" start="00:28:26.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything should have been uploaded at some""" start="00:28:28.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point. So that's a wide window.""" start="00:28:30.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So again, and as usual,""" start="00:28:34.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""feel free to spread the word about EmacsConf""" start="00:28:35.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because, you know, we've been doing this for""" start="00:28:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a while and every year more people show up to""" start="00:28:42.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""these events and more people watch the videos""" start="00:28:43.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on YouTube and it's wonderful to see,""" start="00:28:46.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, our main goal which is to get cool""" start="00:28:49.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ideas out of the head of people,""" start="00:28:51.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""shared and viewed by so many people.""" start="00:28:53.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's always amazing. Also,""" start="00:28:56.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I would like to ask you personally,""" start="00:28:58.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what did you like about this conference?""" start="00:28:59.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Or what do you like, what do you feel was""" start="00:29:01.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""better than last year,""" start="00:29:02.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because the feedback is very useful to us.""" start="00:29:05.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We'd also like to know if you've got any""" start="00:29:07.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ideas for making things even better.""" start="00:29:08.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And we've got a general conference discussion""" start="00:29:11.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""slash notes slash community message board,""" start="00:29:13.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is pad.emaxconf.org""" start="00:29:14.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""slash 2023. And you can also just mention""" start="00:29:19.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""them. You know, we might open this room for""" start="00:29:22.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people to join us and chat,""" start="00:29:24.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""although Flowy and myself,""" start="00:29:25.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""your up team, needs to go to bed.""" start="00:29:27.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So please be mindful of this.""" start="00:29:28.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you ask a very interesting question,""" start="00:29:29.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We will both have to make sacrifices to stay""" start="00:29:32.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a while longer because you're too damn""" start="00:29:34.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interesting. Now we'd like to move into""" start="00:29:38.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thanking all the people who make EmacsConf""" start="00:29:41.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""possible. And obviously,""" start="00:29:42.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""first, we have to thank all the speakers,""" start="00:29:45.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the volunteers, the participants,""" start="00:29:46.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and to all those other people in our lives""" start="00:29:49.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""who make it possible through time and""" start="00:29:51.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""support, thank you so much for allowing us to""" start="00:29:53.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""run EmacsCount. It wouldn't happen without""" start="00:29:55.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you, and without us, I suppose,""" start="00:29:57.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because we are included in this.""" start="00:29:58.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This year's conference hosts are myself,""" start="00:30:01.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo Vivier, Amine Bendali,""" start="00:30:03.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and joining our team of hosts for the first""" start="00:30:05.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time this year, Flobby Coder.""" start="00:30:07.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you so much, Flobby.""" start="00:30:08.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You did a wonderful job.""" start="00:30:09.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's right there. No, dammit.""" start="00:30:11.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""No, I can't. I can never remember if BBB is""" start="00:30:15.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""flipping stuff, so either 1 of those""" start="00:30:17.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""directions. The streams this year,""" start="00:30:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as last year, were managed by Sasha Schwa,""" start="00:30:21.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""obviously. And the check-ins by Flobby Coder,""" start="00:30:24.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I'm in with Miscellaneous running around""" start="00:30:27.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""by Corwin Brust, who will be joining us""" start="00:30:30.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""momentarily. Apparently,""" start="00:30:32.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all his USB failed, so he will be with us as""" start="00:30:34.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Roost. Rhymes with Roost.""" start="00:30:38.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do I have audio now? Alright,""" start="00:30:41.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll go to work on my camera.""" start="00:30:42.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Hi. Hello?""" start="00:30:43.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: soon as he can. It's Lovely.""" start="00:30:45.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay, I'll keep going.""" start="00:30:46.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I also need to thank, well,""" start="00:30:49.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""need, no, I want to thank all the captioning""" start="00:30:51.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""volunteers, the captioners as we call them.""" start="00:30:53.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You've got Daniel Molina,""" start="00:30:54.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Bala Ramadoui, Durai, sorry,""" start="00:30:57.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Bhavin Gandhi, Amin Zayed,""" start="00:30:59.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yoni Rapkin, who presented 1 of the talk""" start="00:31:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""earlier, Daniel Alejandro Tapia,""" start="00:31:04.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Hannah Miller, Ken Huang,""" start="00:31:06.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Jean-Christophe Ellary,""" start="00:31:07.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and James Howell. Also thanking""" start="00:31:10.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Jean-Christophe Ellary,""" start="00:31:11.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Colwyn, Quiliro, Kern,""" start="00:31:13.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and Amin Bendali for helping with the early""" start="00:31:15.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""acceptance process. Sasha,""" start="00:31:18.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do I read this 1? It's weird to think myself.""" start="00:31:21.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm gonna pat myself on the back,""" start="00:31:22.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess. Go on, Sasha.""" start="00:31:24.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll do it. I'll do it.""" start="00:31:26.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's fine. Thanks to myself for fiddling with""" start="00:31:29.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the audio to get things nicely synced,""" start="00:31:30.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And thanks to myself again and other people,""" start="00:31:34.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we kept the mailing list free from spam.""" start="00:31:36.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Because I'm not sure what happened since May,""" start="00:31:39.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but we've been receiving about 3 to 4 spam""" start="00:31:41.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""emails. And it just happened all of a sudden,""" start="00:31:44.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I was really weirded out by this process.""" start="00:31:46.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Where was I? OK, thanks to Andrew Ducurty for""" start="00:31:51.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""helping with whisper processing.""" start="00:31:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thanks to Ashki Ghekwad for design""" start="00:31:55.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""contribution. Thanks to Yoshin,""" start="00:31:57.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""our grand changro for all the music that""" start="00:31:59.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we've been using for the last 3 years at this""" start="00:32:01.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point, I think. Also thanks to Rye for the""" start="00:32:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""server that we're using for OBS streaming and""" start="00:32:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for processing videos.""" start="00:32:07.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And also thanks to the free software""" start="00:32:10.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""foundation for obviously Emacs itself,""" start="00:32:12.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the mailing list that we use,""" start="00:32:14.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the media.emacsconf-org""" start="00:32:15.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""server where all of the presentations are""" start="00:32:19.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""currently hosted. We'd also like to thank""" start="00:32:22.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""BigBlueButton, Etherpad,""" start="00:32:23.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""IceCast, OBS, The Lounge,""" start="00:32:25.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Libre.chat, FFmpeg, OpenAI,""" start="00:32:28.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Whisper, the E-N-E-S force alignment tool,""" start="00:32:31.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Site Transfer, SubD, and contributors to all""" start="00:32:34.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of the tools and services we used in the""" start="00:32:36.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""making of this conference.""" start="00:32:37.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And obviously, all of them are free,""" start="00:32:39.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as Sasha obviously told you,""" start="00:32:41.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and as we will be telling you again for many""" start="00:32:44.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""years to come. We'd also like again to thank""" start="00:32:47.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everyone for attending the conference and""" start="00:32:49.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""making EmacsConf what it is.""" start="00:32:51.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And for those who were on the general track,""" start="00:32:54.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know Sasha did it in parallel to the last""" start="00:32:56.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talk we had today. She did a wonderful talk""" start="00:32:58.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on how EmacsConf is actually run.""" start="00:33:01.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So there's her talk, there's also an entire""" start="00:33:05.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""page on our wiki about the infrastructure""" start="00:33:07.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we use. So if you're interested,""" start="00:33:09.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""especially in running an event of your own,""" start="00:33:11.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you've got as much information as you want,""" start="00:33:14.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and as Sacha probably told you,""" start="00:33:15.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we are available for sharing the knowledge""" start="00:33:17.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and enabling your dreams of making a""" start="00:33:20.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference. Amint, do you want to take it""" start="00:33:24.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""over with the fiscal sponsorship""" start="00:33:25.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, sure. Let's see.""" start="00:33:29.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Can you please scroll down a little bit?""" start="00:33:30.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Whoever is kindly sharing the screen.""" start="00:33:33.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: announcements? Okay. Oh,""" start="00:33:34.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I was scrolling on my end.""" start="00:33:36.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sorry.""" start="00:33:36.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thanks, Sasha. Yeah, so kind of super excited""" start="00:33:41.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to finally get into this.""" start="00:33:43.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And this is something that we've been kind of""" start="00:33:45.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hoping to get worked out for a long time""" start="00:33:46.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually and it's finally here.""" start="00:33:48.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So people might have already seen this but as""" start="00:33:52.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of this last Thursday we're actually fiscally""" start="00:33:57.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sponsored by the Free Software Foundation.""" start="00:33:59.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we joined their Working Together for Free""" start="00:34:03.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Software program. And DFSF published the""" start="00:34:07.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""announcement on their website.""" start="00:34:08.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You're welcome to go and check it out there.""" start="00:34:11.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I just want to quickly get into a little""" start="00:34:14.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bit about what it means and some of the""" start="00:34:17.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""benefits, I guess. So as part of this working""" start="00:34:21.719" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""together for a free software fund,""" start="00:34:23.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the FSF provides fiscal sponsorship for a""" start="00:34:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""number of important free software and new""" start="00:34:29.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""technical projects, such as the new tool""" start="00:34:30.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""chain and Replicant, which is a free fork of""" start="00:34:33.679" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Android. And starting this year,""" start="00:34:36.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf has joined the program as well.""" start="00:34:38.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And as a fiscal sponsor,""" start="00:34:40.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""DFSF can assist us by providing services""" start="00:34:43.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""required by a legal entity,""" start="00:34:46.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like signing contracts and receiving and""" start="00:34:49.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""processing payments. So to provide some""" start="00:34:53.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""context, eMAXConf is and always has been an""" start="00:34:56.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""independent initiative organized by a very""" start="00:34:58.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""small number of people,""" start="00:34:59.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a small team of people without any corporate""" start="00:35:02.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sponsors. And that's important in part""" start="00:35:05.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because I believe part of our message is that""" start="00:35:08.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we want to showcase that everybody can do""" start="00:35:11.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this and organize a conference like this no""" start="00:35:14.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""matter how small your team is and how modest""" start="00:35:17.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""your resources are, which we will actually""" start="00:35:19.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""get into a little bit later in the closing""" start="00:35:21.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""remarks. But yeah, so now having the FSF as""" start="00:35:25.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""our fiscal sponsor, we're in a better""" start="00:35:27.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""position to accept donations as 1 potential""" start="00:35:30.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""way to contribute or help the conference.""" start="00:35:33.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And just to clarify, we're currently not""" start="00:35:36.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""struggling at all to cover these costs of the""" start="00:35:39.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""servers and such, which we will get into""" start="00:35:41.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""again. But this is just 1 extra avenue if""" start="00:35:44.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people are feeling generous and would like to""" start="00:35:46.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""help, it's much appreciated.""" start="00:35:47.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And yeah, so having a 501c3 nonprofit like""" start="00:35:54.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the FSF, as a fiscal sponsor,""" start="00:35:57.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""many donors will receive tax benefits that""" start="00:36:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they otherwise wouldn't receive if they were""" start="00:36:02.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to like donate to like individuals running a""" start="00:36:04.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""project directly. And also donors can know""" start="00:36:07.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that, you know, the funds that they're""" start="00:36:08.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""donating are being handled by an accountable""" start="00:36:10.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""institution. And also importantly,""" start="00:36:14.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when donating through the FSF,""" start="00:36:16.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's see, text changing.""" start="00:36:19.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay, yeah. People can donate without having""" start="00:36:23.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to run any non-free JavaScript,""" start="00:36:24.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is nice. Because unfortunately,""" start="00:36:27.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""usually these days on the web when you do""" start="00:36:29.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""want to buy something or spend money,""" start="00:36:30.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you have to run non-free JavaScript,""" start="00:36:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which isn't the case when donating through""" start="00:36:35.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the FSF. Yeah, so we just joined,""" start="00:36:37.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as I said, on Thursday,""" start="00:36:39.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and we've already received our very first""" start="00:36:43.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""donation, so we'd like to extend our thanks""" start="00:36:45.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and gratitude to Scott Ranby,""" start="00:36:46.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""who is actually our first ever kind donor.""" start="00:36:49.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They agreed to be thanked publicly.""" start="00:36:51.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So thank you, Scott. And yeah,""" start="00:36:55.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so this is a recent development.""" start="00:36:57.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And we plan to add much more information and""" start="00:36:59.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""details about this whole situation to the""" start="00:37:01.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""wiki, including links to the announcements,""" start="00:37:04.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some more information about the program,""" start="00:37:06.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and our donation page of course,""" start="00:37:08.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in the new future. And in the meantime I'm""" start="00:37:12.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""also happy to help answer any questions as""" start="00:37:15.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""best as I can, So feel free to ping me on IRC""" start="00:37:17.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or just email me at bandalia.guinard.org.""" start="00:37:19.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Which gives me a chance to jump in and just""" start="00:37:26.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point out 1 question that we know people have""" start="00:37:29.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is just about how much of the money goes to""" start="00:37:32.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""FSF when you make a contribution through the""" start="00:37:35.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""fund toward EmacsConf?""" start="00:37:36.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right, exactly. Yeah, and the answer to that""" start="00:37:40.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is that it's 10%, which is for supporting the""" start="00:37:44.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""operation of the Working Together program and""" start="00:37:46.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""also the shared GNU infrastructure,""" start="00:37:48.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which we as EmacsConf use and depend on,""" start="00:37:52.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""along with several hundred GNU packages.""" start="00:37:54.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, yeah, and it covers things like""" start="00:37:59.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""transaction costs that the FSF's payment""" start="00:38:03.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""processor charges?""" start="00:38:04.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: And then again I'll come back to say this is""" start="00:38:10.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a real fair price. I have some experience""" start="00:38:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with working with payment processing and""" start="00:38:15.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things like this and like 10% that's a that's""" start="00:38:19.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""something that you see in Bigger businesses""" start="00:38:22.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that have a model around making money on that""" start="00:38:25.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Transaction so to be able to do that as a""" start="00:38:29.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""nonprofit. We're taking advantage of a really""" start="00:38:31.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""awesome thing there.""" start="00:38:32.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, exactly. And yeah,""" start="00:38:35.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just for a quick plug,""" start="00:38:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the FSF is actually doing an end of year""" start="00:38:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""fundraiser right now. So if you want to go""" start="00:38:41.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""donate to them, or if you donate to us,""" start="00:38:44.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a part of it will go to the FSF to support""" start="00:38:47.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""their work on free software,""" start="00:38:51.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""helping grow the movement,""" start="00:38:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and spread the word about it.""" start="00:38:56.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, thank you. And I guess now is a good time""" start="00:39:02.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for me to pass the baton to the next""" start="00:39:05.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""organizer who wants to talk about some of the""" start="00:39:08.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""specs of the servers that we use right now.""" start="00:39:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: We actually don't have to go about this in""" start="00:39:14.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""detail. I just put it in there in case people""" start="00:39:16.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""were curious about how much it takes to run""" start="00:39:19.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""something like this. Not a lot.""" start="00:39:20.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's just really, you know,""" start="00:39:22.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""2 days of computing is not that expensive in""" start="00:39:26.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""today's world, and all the rest is just""" start="00:39:29.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""volunteer time and a heck of a lot of Emacs""" start="00:39:32.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""lists as previously discussed in our""" start="00:39:34.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""presentation. So, we'll just skip through""" start="00:39:41.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that instead of reading all of it.""" start="00:39:42.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Unless people are specifically curious,""" start="00:39:43.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you can ask questions afterwards.""" start="00:39:44.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But yes, happy birthday,""" start="00:39:46.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf, and here's another wonderful 10""" start="00:39:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""years.""" start="00:39:49.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: All right, I think we are at the end of the""" start="00:39:56.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""closing remarks. Have I forgotten anything?""" start="00:39:58.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We haven't had Flowy yet,""" start="00:40:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I believe. Sorry for putting you on the spot""" start="00:40:03.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""again.""" start="00:40:03.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: I guess I have nothing really to say besides""" start="00:40:07.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what you have already said.""" start="00:40:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So thank everybody to make a presentation,""" start="00:40:12.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to do anything here. Thanks for all of you""" start="00:40:15.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that I could be a part of it.""" start="00:40:16.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have to admit it also.""" start="00:40:17.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So thank you all. And yeah,""" start="00:40:21.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""nothing to say probably.""" start="00:40:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: And I also want to send the thanks to Flowy""" start="00:40:25.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for, you know, stepping in.""" start="00:40:27.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We kind of like throw this on you like at the""" start="00:40:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""last second, but Flowy actually stepped in""" start="00:40:31.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and hosted graciously a couple of the talks""" start="00:40:33.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on the Dev track today.""" start="00:40:34.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, which I think went very well.""" start="00:40:36.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So congrats and thank you.""" start="00:40:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Thank you.""" start="00:40:39.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Speaking of which we were not monsters.""" start="00:40:41.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We kindly asked Floey yesterday because""" start="00:40:43.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything was going so well.""" start="00:40:44.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And now we can say it,""" start="00:40:45.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, I can say things are going well.""" start="00:40:46.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Usually it's a bad thing when you're doing a""" start="00:40:48.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""broadcast to say things are going well right""" start="00:40:50.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""now because it tends to backfires at some""" start="00:40:53.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Hours of notice, hours of notice.""" start="00:40:56.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That, that's planning.""" start="00:40:58.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: point. But yesterday- So hours of notice,""" start="00:41:02.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Flowy didn't sleep all that much because we""" start="00:41:04.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tasked him with hosting,""" start="00:41:06.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so he was turning in his bed all night""" start="00:41:08.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thinking, oh, I'm going to host MaxCons.""" start="00:41:09.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But Flowy, you did a wonderful job and I am""" start="00:41:13.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so glad that not only you were able to join""" start="00:41:15.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""us again this year, but that also you were""" start="00:41:17.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""able to host. Because last year,""" start="00:41:19.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""had we asked you to host,""" start="00:41:20.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you would have said no.""" start="00:41:21.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""First time we asked you this year was yes,""" start="00:41:25.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but give me some time to think about it.""" start="00:41:27.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Next year it is yes completely.""" start="00:41:30.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: If we've done a good job,""" start="00:41:32.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it will be yes directly.""" start="00:41:33.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""All right, so since we are at the end of the""" start="00:41:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thankings and I did say europe team needs to""" start="00:41:41.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""go to bed in about 12 minutes that leaves us""" start="00:41:43.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about 12 minutes to try to answer as many""" start="00:41:45.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""points as you'd like to raise.""" start="00:41:47.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha, I think the Q&A room is still open""" start="00:41:50.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because we are technically still in the Emacs""" start="00:41:52.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference room currently.""" start="00:41:53.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, if you... We're going to put the link""" start="00:41:56.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""again if you need to find it.""" start="00:41:57.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Otherwise, scroll up and find the 1 on there.""" start="00:41:59.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I think I can change the redirect.""" start="00:42:04.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Maybe. I will go figure this out.""" start="00:42:07.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Keep talking in the background.""" start="00:42:08.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Right. So, whilst we figure this out in the""" start="00:42:12.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""background, it would be nice if you could""" start="00:42:13.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""join us and ask questions,""" start="00:42:14.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""either by dropping them.""" start="00:42:15.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I see plenty of people have already left some""" start="00:42:18.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""comments. We have 2 places,""" start="00:42:19.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right now it's more about a chitchatting""" start="00:42:21.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about the end of the conference.""" start="00:42:23.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you've got general feedback,""" start="00:42:24.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we've mentioned it at the top,""" start="00:42:26.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but if you want to write your general""" start="00:42:28.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""feedback here, it will find its way at some""" start="00:42:30.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point in the years of the relevant people who""" start="00:42:32.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can make things change.""" start="00:42:33.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So don't worry too much about where you put""" start="00:42:35.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""your feedback, it'll be fine.""" start="00:42:37.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But now, how about we start reading some of""" start="00:42:40.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the notes that people have said or questions""" start="00:42:42.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that""" start="00:42:43.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: have been asked. So here's 1 for Amin.""" start="00:42:47.094" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do you have any stats on how many people""" start="00:42:48.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""watched for an IRC and BBB over the 2 days?""" start="00:42:52.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right, yeah, so I guess for IceCast,""" start="00:42:58.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which I can answer more readily,""" start="00:43:00.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think yesterday we were averaging around""" start="00:43:03.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""240, 250 concurrent viewers at a time.""" start="00:43:08.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And today, so today it varied.""" start="00:43:12.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think the maximum was again like around 200""" start="00:43:16.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to 20-ish with the average being more around""" start="00:43:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""180, 190 viewers. We've had a lot of hits to""" start="00:43:24.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the actual web pages for the Emacs Conf Wiki""" start="00:43:28.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or the pad, which are all being served on 1""" start="00:43:31.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""server. I pulled some numbers.""" start="00:43:34.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm not sure if they're correct.""" start="00:43:36.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'm like a little bit hesitant to discuss""" start="00:43:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""them. Safe to say they're easily in the tens""" start="00:43:41.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of thousands, maybe in the hundreds of""" start="00:43:44.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thousands of total visits over the past,""" start="00:43:47.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Maybe the pad makes a lot of small requests.""" start="00:43:52.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I guess, 48 hours. Right,""" start="00:43:53.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""okay. So, yeah, that's why I'm hesitant to""" start="00:43:57.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""say. But yeah, easily in the thousands or""" start="00:43:59.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: You know""" start="00:44:01.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: who you are anyway, the crowd,""" start="00:44:02.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know how many you are,""" start="00:44:04.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you do not need exact numbers""" start="00:44:05.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: tens of thousands. Yeah,""" start="00:44:08.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so I don't have the exact numbers but I guess""" start="00:44:11.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's always kind of fun to maybe try to pull""" start="00:44:13.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some numbers and look at it that way but you""" start="00:44:15.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""know of course we all know that what we do,""" start="00:44:18.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""every single person counts.""" start="00:44:19.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I don't know, trying to look at turning""" start="00:44:24.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people into abstract numbers isn't,""" start="00:44:27.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know, inspiring to me very much,""" start="00:44:30.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it's cool. So.""" start="00:44:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: All right. So how about we go into the""" start="00:44:36.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""questions. So Sasha is now in the viewport""" start="00:44:37.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where we can see some questions.""" start="00:44:39.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So how about we take some of them.""" start="00:44:41.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can read them or if anyone of the""" start="00:44:43.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""organizers wants to do this,""" start="00:44:45.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""feel free, especially those who haven't""" start="00:44:46.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talked to a whole lot this year.""" start="00:44:48.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Cohen, do you want to try it?""" start="00:44:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I didn't make my motive clear.""" start="00:44:54.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I did and I'm done. I took the first""" start="00:44:59.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""question, I picked the bottom question off""" start="00:45:01.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the list because I knew exactly who it was""" start="00:45:02.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""going for. The person who wants to answer or""" start="00:45:05.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""direct the next question is welcome.""" start="00:45:07.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sorry, I could have given a little better""" start="00:45:10.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stage direction there.""" start="00:45:11.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm not prepared to answer how many emaxers""" start="00:45:13.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""are from Nordic countries other than to say""" start="00:45:16.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""definitely yes and several.""" start="00:45:17.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I haven't looked close enough at the""" start="00:45:21.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""suggestion yet.""" start="00:45:22.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Right, okay. I can take the question about""" start="00:45:27.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the BBB limitations. So it's the second 1,""" start="00:45:30.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the red 1. Small suggestion,""" start="00:45:31.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""likely out of your control,""" start="00:45:33.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but anyway, the blue button seems to work""" start="00:45:36.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""very well, but it would be a bit more""" start="00:45:38.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""watchable if the webcam frames were lined up""" start="00:45:40.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""vertically on 1 side, because it would allow""" start="00:45:42.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the screen share frames to be larger and""" start="00:45:44.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would make much better use of the viewable""" start="00:45:47.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""space. Maybe worth a bug report to upstream.""" start="00:45:49.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I agree, BBB has been really good.""" start="00:45:53.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Amine, did you want to say something?""" start="00:45:54.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I'm going""" start="00:45:55.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: to continue and then I'll add something at""" start="00:45:56.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the end.""" start="00:45:56.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Okay, sure. So BBB has been really good for""" start="00:45:59.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""us. It allows us to have many parallel rooms""" start="00:46:04.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which are all recording service side at the""" start="00:46:07.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""same time. And it's wonderful for us because""" start="00:46:09.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we can gather. At some point,""" start="00:46:11.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think last year, we had 4 concurrent talks""" start="00:46:13.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""being recorded because people were just so""" start="00:46:15.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interested in what was going on in rooms.""" start="00:46:17.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And you know, we only,""" start="00:46:19.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like this year, the co-organizers,""" start="00:46:21.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's the 5 people you see in a room""" start="00:46:23.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""currently. And if we had all of us to be in a""" start="00:46:26.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""separate room, having to record on the""" start="00:46:28.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""machine, it wouldn't work.""" start="00:46:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we are able to demultiply the amount of""" start="00:46:32.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""content that we produce thanks to BBB,""" start="00:46:33.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but sadly, we are also quite limited by the""" start="00:46:37.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interface of BBB. Another problem that is""" start="00:46:39.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""dear to me is that audio tends to be fairly""" start="00:46:43.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bad at some points depending on the speakers""" start="00:46:46.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because BBB has really funky audio correction""" start="00:46:50.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stuff going in the background,""" start="00:46:51.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and sometimes it works,""" start="00:46:52.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sometimes it doesn't work,""" start="00:46:53.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and especially on my machine,""" start="00:46:55.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the specs are above in the document if you're""" start="00:46:58.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interested, but BBB and OBS do not play well""" start="00:47:02.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at all. You might have heard me speaking with""" start="00:47:04.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some clicks in my voice at some point.""" start="00:47:06.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's another problem of BBB.""" start="00:47:07.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Anyway, I mean, you wanted to add something""" start="00:47:09.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as well.""" start="00:47:09.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right, yeah, I kind of empathize and also""" start="00:47:14.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""emphasize the problems with audio on BBB""" start="00:47:17.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sometimes, but about the specific suggestion""" start="00:47:19.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here of like lighting things up at least""" start="00:47:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""visually, I think that's like much more""" start="00:47:24.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""doable even if you don't open a bug upstream.""" start="00:47:26.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I believe the Free Software Foundation for""" start="00:47:30.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""their LibrePlanet conference,""" start="00:47:31.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""either last year or the year before,""" start="00:47:33.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they had some custom, like clients signed""" start="00:47:36.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into browser, custom CSS,""" start="00:47:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where it would do exactly something like""" start="00:47:40.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that. It would like enlarge the shared screen""" start="00:47:44.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on the 1 side and then stack up all of the""" start="00:47:46.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""webcam feeds on 1 side.""" start="00:47:48.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we might be able to use something like""" start="00:47:50.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that.""" start="00:47:50.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So I'll tack on to that.""" start="00:47:53.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And now I feel like a heel as soon as I""" start="00:47:56.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""opened my mouth, because I think I almost get""" start="00:47:59.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the sense Floyd wants to jump in here and""" start="00:48:01.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're all talking, everyone except Sasha who""" start="00:48:03.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually wrote OBS, you know,""" start="00:48:06.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the OBS WebSocket plugin that is probably the""" start="00:48:10.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""answer to all the different questions""" start="00:48:12.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everyone is bringing up.""" start="00:48:13.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I guess I'll leave my input at that And""" start="00:48:15.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Chloe, did you have anything to say,""" start="00:48:16.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or can we pick on Sasha?""" start="00:48:17.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Nothing to say.""" start="00:48:20.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I need to update the OBS WebSocket plugin for""" start="00:48:25.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the protocol change, because I think the""" start="00:48:27.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""protocol change was from 4 to 5.""" start="00:48:29.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's 1 of those things that I haven't gotten""" start="00:48:32.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool. But""" start="00:48:35.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: around to. yeah, so we'll try to solve it in""" start="00:48:37.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""CSS. So if I can tinker with the CSS or if""" start="00:48:41.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""somebody else would like to volunteer to move""" start="00:48:44.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things around, then that would be fantastic""" start="00:48:45.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because front-end should be things.""" start="00:48:48.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Okay, oh, what order of magnitude hours do""" start="00:48:53.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you each of you think you devote to the""" start="00:48:55.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference yearly? I have I expected someone""" start="00:48:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would ask this question.""" start="00:48:59.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I have I have my the past 11 years of time""" start="00:49:07.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""analysis. This is my Emacs category,""" start="00:49:11.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so it also includes Emacs news.""" start="00:49:12.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So this is my Emacs hours by month and year.""" start="00:49:15.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So you can see last year,""" start="00:49:17.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it spiked up a lot. But this year,""" start="00:49:21.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it has taken less time.""" start="00:49:23.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So last month, it was about 93 hours.""" start="00:49:26.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the month before that was just about 87""" start="00:49:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hours of prep. And this actually includes""" start="00:49:31.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things like captioning and,""" start="00:49:33.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and coordination. And then you can see a""" start="00:49:36.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""little bit of time here like the EMAX news""" start="00:49:38.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and and harvesting q&a and adding chapter""" start="00:49:42.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""index indices and things like that.""" start="00:49:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I, I like it, it's it's my form of fun.""" start="00:49:47.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And Otherwise, I'm mostly just,""" start="00:49:50.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, helping the kiddo go to play dates""" start="00:49:52.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and carrying things around.""" start="00:49:54.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And, you know, so this is the stuff that I do""" start="00:49:57.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to keep my brain happy.""" start="00:49:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And if you're wondering,""" start="00:50:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""okay, well, do you sleep?""" start="00:50:01.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's the next question I expected people""" start="00:50:03.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ask. The answer is yes,""" start="00:50:04.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we still actually do manage to sleep,""" start="00:50:06.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or at least I do. Less so now that I have a""" start="00:50:09.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""kid, this is like 2016,""" start="00:50:10.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""had a kiddo, and then suddenly much less""" start="00:50:13.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sleep, but still a reasonable amount of""" start="00:50:14.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sleep. So Emacs stuff happens,""" start="00:50:16.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can still sleep, and it's a lot of fun.""" start="00:50:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Now that's data for you folks.""" start="00:50:23.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we can't top that at all.""" start="00:50:26.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: It's a blog post also,""" start="00:50:30.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah.""" start="00:50:30.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Especially, you start like this,""" start="00:50:33.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""how do you expect all of us to say anything""" start="00:50:36.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""after this? Whatever we say is not going to""" start="00:50:38.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""be backed up by data, it's not going to be as""" start="00:50:40.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""many hours, and it's not going to be as""" start="00:50:42.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""qualitative in general.""" start="00:50:43.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can remark on something because for me it's""" start="00:50:53.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""my fourth year helping to organize EmacsConf""" start="00:50:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and there's a definite change this year.""" start="00:50:59.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I did spend, usually I get into EmacsConf""" start="00:51:02.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mode in late September when I start worrying""" start="00:51:05.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about the CFP, the call for proposal is""" start="00:51:07.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""finishing, and then we need to start running""" start="00:51:09.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""after speakers to secure the proposals to""" start="00:51:12.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""make sure, oh, can you do this?""" start="00:51:13.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Can you do maybe a 10-minute format instead""" start="00:51:16.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of a 20-minute format,""" start="00:51:17.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, all this jazzy stuff.""" start="00:51:18.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And usually it kind of looks like Sasha for""" start="00:51:21.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""me in terms of involvement,""" start="00:51:22.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or at least it did for the previous year.""" start="00:51:24.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But this year, now that I've been gainfully""" start="00:51:28.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""employed as a software developer,""" start="00:51:30.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I found it much harder to find the time to""" start="00:51:33.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""invest into MaxComp. But 1 of the things that""" start="00:51:36.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""allowed me to still stay efficient at my day""" start="00:51:39.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""job is the fact that I knew that Sasha and""" start="00:51:42.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the work that we did in previous years""" start="00:51:43.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would come to help us organize this year's""" start="00:51:46.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference. And I'm not kidding,""" start="00:51:48.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this year, I've been keeping an eye,""" start="00:51:49.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""obviously, and we've been chatting with all""" start="00:51:51.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the organizers, but it's mostly been Sasha""" start="00:51:53.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""holding the fort from the end of the CFP in""" start="00:51:56.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""September to right about end of November.""" start="00:52:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'll use the opportunity,""" start="00:52:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as well my fellow co-organizers will,""" start="00:52:04.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to thank you Sasha for putting so much time""" start="00:52:07.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and energy into this. Not only Sasha from""" start="00:52:09.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this year, but also Sasha from last year,""" start="00:52:11.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and last year, and last year.""" start="00:52:12.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I will not be able to give you a figure""" start="00:52:19.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of how much time it takes.""" start="00:52:20.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can tell you that the 2 days of Emacs Con""" start="00:52:22.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""are a bloody marathon because we cannot share""" start="00:52:28.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""our screens with you, but Sasha has given you""" start="00:52:31.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a little bit of pointers about,""" start="00:52:32.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, how much stuff we need to monitor.""" start="00:52:34.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha just switches constantly between""" start="00:52:36.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""workspaces. I just put everything on 1""" start="00:52:38.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""workspace and my screen looks absolutely""" start="00:52:41.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""mental. And then I wonder why my microphone""" start="00:52:44.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is clipping on BVB, I suppose.""" start="00:52:46.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""All right, that's all for me.""" start="00:52:47.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Anyone wants to say anything about how much""" start="00:52:48.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time it takes? Sasha, please.""" start="00:52:49.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I have a nice setup this year because I""" start="00:52:52.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually have a Matthew Lent donated a""" start="00:52:55.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""computer to me that can handle the big""" start="00:52:57.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""monitor and I'm stealing my husband's big""" start="00:53:00.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""monitor over there. See,""" start="00:53:01.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So this is my setup today.""" start="00:53:02.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's got like conference stuff on my laptop""" start="00:53:05.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then just IOC on the other big screen and""" start="00:53:08.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the 480p so I can see,""" start="00:53:10.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can make sure it doesn't fall down.""" start="00:53:12.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes, so I have a nice setup today.""" start="00:53:14.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Anyone wants to comment about how much time""" start="00:53:22.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it takes for them to organize the MaxCon for""" start="00:53:24.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""2, you know, including everything,""" start="00:53:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""be it the brainstorming,""" start="00:53:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the answering volunteers and stuff like this?""" start="00:53:28.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Or we can move to another question,""" start="00:53:31.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of course.""" start="00:53:31.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I mean, I know for myself,""" start="00:53:34.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I kind of dropped the ball this year,""" start="00:53:36.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""somewhat unintentionally or unintentionally.""" start="00:53:38.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Well, yeah, I didn't have any other choice,""" start="00:53:41.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""basically, at least in like September through""" start="00:53:44.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like early November or mid November.""" start="00:53:46.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I think like, it sort of differs,""" start="00:53:51.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess, from year to year.""" start="00:53:52.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sometimes life happens,""" start="00:53:53.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and no matter how much you would love to put""" start="00:53:57.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a ton of time into something,""" start="00:53:59.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you just can't. And maybe next year you can""" start="00:54:01.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do a lot more. So I'm optimistic I'll be able""" start="00:54:04.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to put in much more time into things for""" start="00:54:07.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf next year, but that's just me.""" start="00:54:09.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I just want to say something before Robin""" start="00:54:12.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""drops in. Sasha, go please first.""" start="00:54:13.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And I think people shouldn't like feel bad""" start="00:54:18.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about having those. I think designing""" start="00:54:20.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference systems or processes so that they""" start="00:54:24.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can take advantage of little pockets of time""" start="00:54:26.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is the way to go. I love the fact that we now""" start="00:54:30.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have a system where hosts can show up on the""" start="00:54:33.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""day of and just rock it,""" start="00:54:35.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? So this is great.""" start="00:54:36.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It is good that we can get by with less time""" start="00:54:41.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""throughout the process and just take""" start="00:54:43.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""advantage of whatever time people have.""" start="00:54:45.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Whether it's, you know,""" start="00:54:46.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they've got 2 hours, they want to caption a""" start="00:54:49.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talk, that sort of stuff is already totally""" start="00:54:51.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""awesome.""" start="00:54:52.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: And yeah, you both, thank you.""" start="00:54:57.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, you both stole my Thunder and then put""" start="00:55:00.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a quarterback in me. I couldn't agree more""" start="00:55:03.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with everything you said.""" start="00:55:04.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's something that just typifies what is""" start="00:55:09.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""amazing about this conference,""" start="00:55:10.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? It's a kind of accessibility,""" start="00:55:12.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""isn't it? Having some work I can give you""" start="00:55:17.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that helps you give back to your community""" start="00:55:19.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that is at your level,""" start="00:55:21.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that fits your time budget,""" start="00:55:23.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that is something that you're willing to go""" start="00:55:26.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""care about because it intersects,""" start="00:55:28.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, the world you live in in some""" start="00:55:31.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""practical way and therefore you can make time""" start="00:55:34.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for it. We all live in a lot of different""" start="00:55:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""trenches and making them intersect is 1 of""" start="00:55:40.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the things Emacs does in a technical way""" start="00:55:42.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: and""" start="00:55:43.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: through this conference at least in a very""" start="00:55:47.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""community way. Okay, and it brings me back""" start="00:55:51.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""also on the OBS front.""" start="00:55:52.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think that's what really excited me""" start="00:55:54.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""too. When I think about the potential that's""" start="00:55:56.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out there and getting a bunch of people""" start="00:55:59.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""looking at the work you've already done with""" start="00:56:01.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""OBS WebSocket and thinking about,""" start="00:56:03.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, oh, we want more timers that count""" start="00:56:06.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things down and we want each organizer to be""" start="00:56:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""able to have a little palette of them,""" start="00:56:10.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some of which are gonna be handed to you by""" start="00:56:12.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the conference director and some of which you""" start="00:56:14.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can add yourself because they help you and""" start="00:56:16.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that's right. And, you know,""" start="00:56:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have, you know, keeping things really fast""" start="00:56:21.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and loose so we can make the artistic""" start="00:56:24.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""decisions on the fly that make our conference""" start="00:56:26.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what it is, but then making,""" start="00:56:30.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, a simple automated tool chain that""" start="00:56:33.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""anyone can learn and that we know how to""" start="00:56:36.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""execute the steps of manually.""" start="00:56:37.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's the actual design pattern that you've""" start="00:56:41.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""implemented here that's working so well.""" start="00:56:42.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So the""" start="00:56:47.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: 1 thing I wanted to ask about Amin saying,""" start="00:56:50.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, I've dropped the ball this year.""" start="00:56:51.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Amin's, just to be clear with everyone,""" start="00:56:53.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Amin's definition of dropping the ball is""" start="00:56:55.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""securing a sponsorship with the FSF.""" start="00:56:56.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So that's dropping the ball for you.""" start="00:56:58.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Well attending a weekly meeting,""" start="00:57:02.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We take 1 week off a month where we""" start="00:57:04.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""coordinate infrastructure issues between this""" start="00:57:08.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and other FSF supported projects using quote""" start="00:57:13.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""unquote GNU infrastructure.""" start="00:57:14.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's kind of a, GNU is really an umbrella""" start="00:57:16.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""term once you get kind of close to it.""" start="00:57:19.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know, it's like GNU is all of the""" start="00:57:22.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""volunteers helping with this vision we have""" start="00:57:25.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of user rights.""" start="00:57:25.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: 1 last thing I wanted to add about how much""" start="00:57:31.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time we spend on this.""" start="00:57:32.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's just the fact that we've experimented""" start="00:57:33.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""over the 4 years I've been part of this.""" start="00:57:36.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know, the first year we had so many""" start="00:57:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""meetings because we thought this would be the""" start="00:57:40.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""way to know 1 another and this would be the""" start="00:57:42.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""way to create qualitative notes.""" start="00:57:44.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And we've come back to this.""" start="00:57:46.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: That is what I saw. I can't help but""" start="00:57:48.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interrupt you again. This is all I do.""" start="00:57:49.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo This is why I keep off the microphone""" start="00:57:52.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""until the last 20 minutes of the conference""" start="00:57:54.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""once everybody already wants to hang up Then""" start="00:57:56.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I know you'll be honest with me But I have to""" start="00:57:58.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""say when I looked at that table of data all I""" start="00:58:01.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""saw was 200 hours of Sasha's life that she""" start="00:58:05.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""spent talking to the, you know,""" start="00:58:06.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all many of us were involved.""" start="00:58:08.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's not just the 4 or 5 of us that,""" start="00:58:10.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, that have done this last 2 years""" start="00:58:13.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""convention, right? It's,""" start="00:58:14.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, there's been many people that have""" start="00:58:17.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""come in, shared wise thoughts,""" start="00:58:19.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""helping us form the, I don't know,""" start="00:58:22.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ethos or all of the things that we're""" start="00:58:24.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""carrying forward into 2024.""" start="00:58:26.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sorry, Leo.""" start="00:58:31.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No, no,""" start="00:58:32.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: you're fine, You're fine.""" start="00:58:33.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, you pretty much continued with what I""" start="00:58:35.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""was going to talk about.""" start="00:58:37.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'm looking at the time and I've already""" start="00:58:41.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""extended by 5 minutes the amount of time I""" start="00:58:44.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""was supposed to stay and Flowy is looking at""" start="00:58:46.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""me with very teary eyes because he's thinking""" start="00:58:50.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about the meeting he's going to have at 9am""" start="00:58:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tomorrow, as will I by the way.""" start="00:58:53.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, don't you have to""" start="00:58:54.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: be commuting like right now Flowy?""" start="00:58:56.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean aren't you supposed to be...""" start="00:58:58.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I hope you get to sleep before work.""" start="00:59:01.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you so much for your awesome work this""" start="00:59:04.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year.""" start="00:59:04.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: I mean, I didn't do so much at the Emojis""" start="00:59:07.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Conference, so I'm just here like from""" start="00:59:09.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Friday. At first, I was looking at the""" start="00:59:13.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""website, which talks we're having,""" start="00:59:14.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So it's all fine. So maybe next year or the""" start="00:59:17.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""coming year, I can do a little bit more""" start="00:59:19.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""privacy.""" start="00:59:19.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: A little more, like again,""" start="00:59:23.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like with Amin, Flowy's definition of doing,""" start="00:59:25.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not having done much is hosting 1 of many of""" start="00:59:30.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Dev talks. So you could be kind of""" start="00:59:34.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""worried about it. All right,""" start="00:59:35.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""folks, considering the question that we have""" start="00:59:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right now, we still see people adding""" start="00:59:40.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""questions, but I think we are all pretty""" start="00:59:42.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tired and we need to get on with the rest of""" start="00:59:44.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""our weekends or nights.""" start="00:59:46.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So do I go into parting words now everyone?""" start="00:59:49.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Are we okay with this?""" start="00:59:50.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll take this for a yes.""" start="00:59:55.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll ask Sasha, yeah?""" start="00:59:56.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh I think I basically have until the kiddo""" start="01:00:00.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yells at me to come for dinner so I can hang""" start="01:00:03.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out with people after.""" start="01:00:04.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and do the wrapping up.""" start="01:00:09.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: But I""" start="01:00:09.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: All right, splendid. Go ahead know,""" start="01:00:10.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right, I'll do the wrapping up for the""" start="01:00:12.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""perhaps the stream. We might leave it up""" start="01:00:13.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""because there's no impetus for us to close""" start="01:00:16.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it. But at least to officially close while""" start="01:00:20.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're still there, EmacsConf 2023,""" start="01:00:22.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I will have again to thank everyone,""" start="01:00:25.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the speakers, all my co-organizers for""" start="01:00:28.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""making this possible. You've seen all the""" start="01:00:31.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""care that we put into it,""" start="01:00:32.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and we are glad every year that all this work""" start="01:00:34.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is doing something in terms of community""" start="01:00:37.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""building, in terms of leading more people to""" start="01:00:41.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""join us every year as speakers,""" start="01:00:42.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or just join us as a user of Emacs.""" start="01:00:45.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's always a pleasure to organize the""" start="01:00:49.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference, to host it,""" start="01:00:51.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and to work with everyone in the room""" start="01:00:53.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""currently. Corwin and I are constantly joking""" start="01:00:56.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when we are backstage making jokes.""" start="01:00:59.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think it's Corwin we said last year during""" start="01:01:03.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the closing remarks that there was no other""" start="01:01:06.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""place they'd rather be than in the backstage.""" start="01:01:09.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And for me, even though many things have""" start="01:01:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""changed in my life over the last year,""" start="01:01:15.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""many good things have happened,""" start="01:01:16.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's good to come back to Emacs Cons as this""" start="01:01:19.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""milestone and say, oh yeah,""" start="01:01:22.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm exactly where I want to be,""" start="01:01:23.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with the people I want to be with,""" start="01:01:25.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I see myself and I cannot wait to see""" start="01:01:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""myself again in the situation next year.""" start="01:01:30.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So thank you so much everyone.""" start="01:01:32.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you want to join us,""" start="01:01:34.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ask questions, we'll still be here for a""" start="01:01:36.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""while. Floey might drop out,""" start="01:01:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I might drop out, Sasha might drop out,""" start="01:01:39.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but we'll be here to answer as many questions""" start="01:01:41.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as you want for as long as we can.""" start="01:01:43.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Bye bye everyone and let's get started with""" start="01:01:46.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the after show now.""" start="01:01:46.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Bye Leo, bye Chloe! I'll drop out eventually""" start="01:01:51.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when the kiddo yells at me.""" start="01:01:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can't tell you how much fun this is,""" start="01:01:56.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah. The way to remember what I said,""" start="01:01:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo, it's 100% true. Oh man,""" start="01:02:00.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""turning off your lights,""" start="01:02:01.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm doing it. I'm doing it too.""" start="01:02:02.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sorry y'all. Oh, yeah,""" start="01:02:04.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bye-bye lights""" start="01:02:05.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, that's every year that's how we finish""" start="01:02:10.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we just turn off the the big lights that we""" start="01:02:12.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have in our faces all the day especially the""" start="01:02:14.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hosts""" start="01:02:14.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: and Tell me if there's too much back chatter""" start="01:02:19.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: get off my headphones,""" start="01:02:22.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""too, so I can""" start="01:02:24.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: when I hear you in the room.""" start="01:02:25.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Can I hear you now? Yeah.""" start="01:02:28.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Is it feeding back pretty bad?""" start="01:02:31.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Hello? there is some echo.""" start="01:02:34.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, there is some echo.""" start="01:02:37.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I think Okay. Fine. I can live with my""" start="01:02:41.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""headset a little longer.""" start="01:02:42.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I give 1 ear a break at a time.""" start="01:02:44.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Thanks for your sacrifice.""" start="01:02:47.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Oh, well, you know, it's a small,""" start="01:02:50.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""small, small price to pay to get to smooth""" start="01:02:53.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with y'all. Yeah, I was just looking at that""" start="01:02:56.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""chart and I was thinking about all of those""" start="01:02:58.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""meetings that we had like 18 months we were""" start="01:03:01.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just on this death march to organize this and""" start="01:03:05.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's just such an amazing accomplishment that""" start="01:03:09.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you you have here Sasha like I'm sorry to""" start="01:03:11.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""pick on you personally but the work that you""" start="01:03:14.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""put in keep being able to keep it the whole""" start="01:03:16.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""technical project in your mind,""" start="01:03:18.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the way down to presenting it at this""" start="01:03:21.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year's conference and like kind of spoon""" start="01:03:24.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""feeding it to people that want to run off in""" start="01:03:26.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""their own damn direction and then handing""" start="01:03:27.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""them an org is the 1 that people keep bugging""" start="01:03:31.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""us about. So if you're looking for a project,""" start="01:03:33.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here it is. Just really well done.""" start="01:03:37.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I no longer feel like we wasted a lot of time""" start="01:03:43.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there. I mean, you remember I enjoyed so much""" start="01:03:46.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all of our check ins and all of that stuff.""" start="01:03:48.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But we had so many ideas,""" start="01:03:51.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you can imagine that I wondered,""" start="01:03:53.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, I wondered if we should have had""" start="01:03:56.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more focused meetings and all that.""" start="01:03:58.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I was glad when we stopped having like""" start="01:04:01.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""weekly meetings, because you know what I mean""" start="01:04:04.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""To keep this much power in the room once a""" start="01:04:06.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""week, it feels creepy.""" start="01:04:08.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This much intellectual power.""" start="01:04:10.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Anyway, that's it. I think that's it for me.""" start="01:04:18.525" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, and I'll say, I mean,""" start="01:04:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can't obviously speak for Sash or anyone""" start="01:04:22.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""else. Yeah, the regular meetings were a""" start="01:04:24.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""little bit intense than we had the year""" start="01:04:26.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""before, but I'm kind of also super glad that""" start="01:04:29.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we did do them. And, you know,""" start="01:04:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in a way, it did help us sort of connect and""" start="01:04:34.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""get to know each other much more regularly or""" start="01:04:38.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""much more which is great and I see thumbs up""" start="01:04:41.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from Leo and Corwin so yeah happy we did""" start="01:04:44.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""them. Might want to have some kind of""" start="01:04:49.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually irregular ones every once in a while""" start="01:04:51.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if we have to decide on something.""" start="01:04:53.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But if like this year,""" start="01:04:55.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything can be worked out pretty much ad""" start="01:04:57.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hoc, whenever needs be,""" start="01:04:58.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like over asynchronous communications.""" start="01:05:00.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I see Sasha nodding very excitedly.""" start="01:05:03.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This also works. So yeah.""" start="01:05:07.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I also see some questions coming in here""" start="01:05:10.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in BBB. If other folks want to join,""" start="01:05:14.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""please feel free to do that as well.""" start="01:05:16.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, I don't think we have an issue tracker""" start="01:05:18.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right now, but our whole website is a wiki.""" start="01:05:22.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So if you wanna like create a new page or""" start="01:05:24.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there might be a page,""" start="01:05:26.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know. You can of course go in and""" start="01:05:28.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""edit it to your heart's content.""" start="01:05:29.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Yeah. Hilarious, I couldn't,""" start="01:05:36.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like I almost managed to type that as fast as""" start="01:05:39.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you could say it, you know.""" start="01:05:40.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's fine. I get the same answer in the""" start="01:05:43.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""chat. Yep. Our website's a wiki and we""" start="01:05:46.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""definitely use ideas here.""" start="01:05:48.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you want to implement them or you know""" start="01:05:50.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""document them enough that even Corwin can""" start="01:05:53.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""code it then you know I'll do that.""" start="01:05:55.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Also I'll go through all the etherpads at""" start="01:05:58.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some point to harvest them and I think I have""" start="01:06:00.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah I have an Emacs list function that does""" start="01:06:02.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this for me. So that I can go through that""" start="01:06:05.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thing and include that in our organizers""" start="01:06:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""notebooks, lessons learned and ideas for next""" start="01:06:09.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year.""" start="01:06:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Yeah.""" start="01:06:11.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, because something that you know,""" start="01:06:15.010" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We were talking about the different models""" start="01:06:16.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""between having many, many meetings and how it""" start="01:06:18.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""paid off eventually. The thing is,""" start="01:06:20.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this year we had no meetings.""" start="01:06:22.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We met Friday morning on Mumble and we were""" start="01:06:27.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ready to go. We did chat things up a little""" start="01:06:29.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bit on ISE, obviously,""" start="01:06:30.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but no meeting this year.""" start="01:06:31.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'm tempted to say that,""" start="01:06:33.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yes, we could have off-hand meetings,""" start="01:06:34.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I think it's mostly because we want to""" start="01:06:36.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""see 1 another, not because we need""" start="01:06:38.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""necessarily for those meetings to prepare""" start="01:06:40.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs cons. But what I wanted to say as well""" start="01:06:45.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is that I think it's a testament to the bets""" start="01:06:49.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that Sasha took last year to automatize a lot""" start="01:06:52.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of things. I mean, we'd already been""" start="01:06:54.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""automatizing a lot of stuff,""" start="01:06:55.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like writing scripts for every single thing""" start="01:06:58.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in ESPire, but last year we made a big bet to""" start="01:07:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""say, what if we had OBS in the cloud?""" start="01:07:04.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What if we had a streaming platform that was""" start="01:07:06.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""running on a machine? And this is what""" start="01:07:08.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""allowed us to very smoothly have 2 tracks,""" start="01:07:11.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the general track and the dev track.""" start="01:07:13.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think the beauty of this system is""" start="01:07:16.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that, obviously, because we get more and more""" start="01:07:19.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""speakers submitting talks,""" start="01:07:20.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we are starting to think maybe we actually""" start="01:07:22.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""need a third track or something and no 1 is""" start="01:07:26.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stressed in the room when Sasha says this.""" start="01:07:28.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know, there's not the reaction that's""" start="01:07:31.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, oh no it's gonna be tough,""" start="01:07:32.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're gonna need more hosts,""" start="01:07:33.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""organizers, it's just a calm...""" start="01:07:34.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Now, point of order, Now Flowy is stressed""" start="01:07:37.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""when Sasha says this.""" start="01:07:39.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: That was just a-""" start="01:07:44.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I didn't know, Colin, we could put you in the""" start="01:07:46.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""spot next year. You'd be like,""" start="01:07:47.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, hey, Colin, what do you feel about""" start="01:07:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hosting?""" start="01:07:49.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: You know, I'm happy to do it.""" start="01:07:53.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I feel, I mean, just to jump in there and""" start="01:07:56.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""say, yes, exactly. No,""" start="01:07:59.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there's no concern on the part of the""" start="01:08:01.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""organizer committee that we could expand""" start="01:08:03.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this. If you said we needed to expand to 4""" start="01:08:06.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tracks, I think we would gulp and consider""" start="01:08:08.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it, you know, from there,""" start="01:08:10.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it gets a little crazy,""" start="01:08:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but strictly because there aren't that many""" start="01:08:13.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people that we know want to commit.""" start="01:08:16.399" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What did we see there?""" start="01:08:18.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""80 hours of potential work that,""" start="01:08:20.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, that could go into organizing next""" start="01:08:23.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year's conference if you find that it's a""" start="01:08:25.439" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""rabbit hole for you and being a streamer""" start="01:08:26.979" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""means you want to read every email and""" start="01:08:28.979" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""respond to every, as Sasha has done this last""" start="01:08:31.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year, right? So when I look at her numbers""" start="01:08:34.439" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for total participation,""" start="01:08:35.359" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that's really a high watermark.""" start="01:08:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha really took care of this convention,""" start="01:08:43.439" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, like a producer might.""" start="01:08:46.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the fact that what used to take 200 hours""" start="01:08:52.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""before, I mean, I can't harp enough on the""" start="01:08:56.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""story that that's telling you,""" start="01:08:57.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? 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I've talked enough.""" start="01:11:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: sort of the... Leo. Well,""" start="01:11:08.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't get tired of hearing you talk,""" start="01:11:10.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but yeah, I was going to say,""" start="01:11:13.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, I feel like that's the general message""" start="01:11:16.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here is that we're all just a bunch of people""" start="01:11:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""who are interested in this.""" start="01:11:21.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And of course, being humans,""" start="01:11:24.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""each of us have different kinds of lives and""" start="01:11:26.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""different kinds of availabilities and""" start="01:11:27.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""different kinds of interests.""" start="01:11:28.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And there is something for everybody,""" start="01:11:29.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""both in terms of the kinds of tasks that you""" start="01:11:34.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""need doing, but also in terms of the amount""" start="01:11:37.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of time that you want or are able to put in.""" start="01:11:39.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So yes, if you do think this is something""" start="01:11:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that you might be interested in helping with""" start="01:11:46.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for future additions and such,""" start="01:11:47.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or even some of the post-conference work that""" start="01:11:51.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""needs doing after this year.""" start="01:11:52.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Please reach out there's something for""" start="01:11:55.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everybody and I would love to have""" start="01:11:57.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: you. I can confirm there was an easy access""" start="01:12:03.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so I came here last year just doing some""" start="01:12:06.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""checking in and the process of getting,""" start="01:12:08.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's called a trained in was really,""" start="01:12:10.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""really short. There was a lot of""" start="01:12:12.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""documentation how to do something.""" start="01:12:13.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, there's a pad that gets sent and what""" start="01:12:17.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to do, when to do, and what to ask is like""" start="01:12:20.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""really incredible. So thank you for that.""" start="01:12:22.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Just come here, write an email,""" start="01:12:26.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""join us. It's really, really cool.""" start="01:12:28.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's a great experience to be honest.""" start="01:12:30.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Thank you. And while Sasha is speaking about""" start="01:12:35.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the update of the wiki,""" start="01:12:36.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh Coleman did you want to say something?""" start="01:12:38.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: No I was just I was just gonna embarrass""" start="01:12:41.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Floey Coder further but you go ahead.""" start="01:12:44.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I was just gonna say I think you're pretty""" start="01:12:51.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""quick, you're pretty quick,""" start="01:12:52.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you took to it really quickly or you show""" start="01:12:55.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just kind of a reflexive calm.""" start="01:12:57.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like you know how to not talk over people.""" start="01:12:59.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You're already better at it than I am.""" start="01:13:01.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Now, you know, I think,""" start="01:13:06.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah, I hope you're enjoying the new stuff""" start="01:13:09.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that you're starting to take on because you""" start="01:13:10.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""seem to be doing great with it.""" start="01:13:12.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And yeah, I hope you're not sitting there""" start="01:13:14.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thinking that you're taking,""" start="01:13:15.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, that you're coming on,""" start="01:13:17.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that you're not taking on enough""" start="01:13:19.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""responsibility or anything like that,""" start="01:13:21.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or I don't know, maybe.""" start="01:13:23.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I picked up like a little undercurrent of""" start="01:13:26.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, I don't do that much,""" start="01:13:28.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I hope you don't feel that way because I""" start="01:13:31.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just enjoyed really having your help the last""" start="01:13:33.719" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""couple of years. Thank you very much.""" start="01:13:38.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, that's how they get you,""" start="01:13:47.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, they just tell you,""" start="01:13:48.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, could you do check-ins?""" start="01:13:49.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like I showed up for 4 years ago saying,""" start="01:13:51.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, I'd like to help and look at me now.""" start="01:13:54.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think I did I host on the first year?""" start="01:13:56.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm pretty sure I did.""" start="01:13:57.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like it took 2 months basically of onboarding""" start="01:14:00.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to convince me to do some of the hosting and""" start="01:14:02.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""back then oh it was so tough for us to do the""" start="01:14:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hosting because we didn't have all the fancy""" start="01:14:08.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""setup we have this year and we were""" start="01:14:10.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""struggling with OBS with bid rates with""" start="01:14:13.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sharing scenes I'm glad we are where we are""" start="01:14:18.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""today, where I don't have to worry as much""" start="01:14:20.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about this. But it's also nice,""" start="01:14:21.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's also 1 thing, we do have a culture of""" start="01:14:24.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""documentation as Sasha exemplified,""" start="01:14:25.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and like Flo mentioned,""" start="01:14:28.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""documentation on the roles.""" start="01:14:29.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes, We did do this to help people join us.""" start="01:14:33.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But really, I'm the host of General,""" start="01:14:39.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it could be just anyone else because we""" start="01:14:41.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have so much documentation on how to do""" start="01:14:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things. 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Like we'll be monitoring the streams""" start="01:15:06.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and every time we have a new person join us,""" start="01:15:08.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it is as much energy and mental availability""" start="01:15:13.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to invest into, oh, maybe we could do this.""" start="01:15:17.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Oh, 0, we have a fire going out because the""" start="01:15:19.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""speaker hasn't checked in yet.""" start="01:15:21.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So it's all about sharing expertise,""" start="01:15:24.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's all about making people level up in""" start="01:15:27.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""terms of skills that are really useful.""" start="01:15:28.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I will attribute a lot of my success in""" start="01:15:34.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""public speaking to the work I do with""" start="01:15:35.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf, and I'm sure plenty of people""" start="01:15:38.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would gain from joining us and learning these""" start="01:15:43.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""skills. 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Bob, do you want to maybe unmute""" start="01:16:03.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yourself and ask us some questions?""" start="01:16:05.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Or just thank us. I mean,""" start="01:16:08.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm just begging for something.""" start="01:16:09.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I know you've been very helpful.""" start="01:16:10.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Yes. How are you? No, I've really had fun.""" start="01:16:15.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""No, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted for you,""" start="01:16:18.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think. So I learned something.""" start="01:16:22.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Everybody wants to record their videos,""" start="01:16:25.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which of course, is great,""" start="01:16:26.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then you have the subtitles and""" start="01:16:28.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everything. But I saved a lot of time by""" start="01:16:31.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""doing it live this year and not going in and""" start="01:16:35.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tweaking and doing all the editing and""" start="01:16:38.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""spending all the time that we do.""" start="01:16:39.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it was kind of fun to do it that way too.""" start="01:16:42.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So just a little note there.""" start="01:16:44.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I look forward to seeing 1 of my talks""" start="01:16:48.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""subtitled someday. So no,""" start="01:16:53.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I love what you do. It's fun.""" start="01:16:55.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I've only seen part of Sasha's talk,""" start="01:16:57.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so I'll go and review that about how you're""" start="01:17:00.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""automating all this. You know,""" start="01:17:03.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's a little sad for me personally that of""" start="01:17:06.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""course, Org gets all the attention,""" start="01:17:09.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but you know, we're exposing hyperbole more""" start="01:17:14.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""now and There's definitely a growing interest""" start="01:17:16.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on Reddit and you know,""" start="01:17:18.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think it's kind of like EmacsConf.""" start="01:17:20.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Give it a few years. We went away for a long""" start="01:17:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time and then we came back.""" start="01:17:24.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We'll start to see it permeate the Emacs""" start="01:17:30.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""first. But I was thinking that,""" start="01:17:33.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, I think people who like Emacs and""" start="01:17:36.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""stuff, they read things online,""" start="01:17:38.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they come to this conference,""" start="01:17:40.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but we're always hearing about,""" start="01:17:43.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well, the next generation.""" start="01:17:44.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We have to deal with that.""" start="01:17:47.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think a lot of people get exposed to""" start="01:17:50.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs in college. Now a professor turns them""" start="01:17:52.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on to it and makes them use it,""" start="01:17:55.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then they go out into the real world,""" start="01:17:57.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and there's no encouragement anymore,""" start="01:17:59.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and they just drop it.""" start="01:18:01.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And with all of what you're putting together""" start="01:18:05.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here, it seems like if there was some reach""" start="01:18:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""out to universities and college students,""" start="01:18:14.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know, we might get a whole new big crowd""" start="01:18:18.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of people coming in. You know,""" start="01:18:22.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just as I think OREG has really attracted a""" start="01:18:25.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""lot of people in the sciences,""" start="01:18:26.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""since that's what it was originally developed""" start="01:18:30.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for. So just a thought,""" start="01:18:32.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, maybe if you get any volunteers who""" start="01:18:35.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""can help in the reach out or just,""" start="01:18:38.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, sending things around to""" start="01:18:40.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""universities that might really extend who""" start="01:18:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""gets exposed to this stuff.""" start="01:18:45.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's a great and very""" start="01:18:49.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interesting idea. And it sort of touches on a""" start="01:18:51.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""couple of different things.""" start="01:18:52.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sort of like you mentioned,""" start="01:18:53.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well, with org, it sort of really drew into""" start="01:18:56.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sciences, folks. It would be interesting to""" start="01:19:00.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""see other parts of Emacs doing that for other""" start="01:19:03.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""kinds of communities, but also specifically,""" start="01:19:05.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess, for colleges and universities.""" start="01:19:08.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, it would be cool if we had local groups""" start="01:19:14.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or local meetups, because so far right now,""" start="01:19:17.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think the most common ones are like by city""" start="01:19:20.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like for example a Toronto Emacs meetup or""" start="01:19:22.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""something like that yeah if you could maybe""" start="01:19:25.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""encourage or help foster a university level""" start="01:19:28.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""type of thing you know University of blah""" start="01:19:32.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""blah Emacs group or something like that and""" start="01:19:35.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know seeing what their needs would be or""" start="01:19:39.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""trying to think also what features of Emacs""" start="01:19:42.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""would be very useful in an academic slash""" start="01:19:46.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""educational setting. Yeah,""" start="01:19:48.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""lots of food for thought there.""" start="01:19:50.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So thank you for mentioning this.""" start="01:19:52.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Sure. And I guess, yeah,""" start="01:20:02.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""OBS is coming up here.""" start="01:20:04.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I worked with that a bit,""" start="01:20:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yes, last year. You know,""" start="01:20:08.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""another powerful piece of software with a""" start="01:20:12.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sort of, I think, a weak user interface,""" start="01:20:15.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, for the newbies coming along on it.""" start="01:20:20.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And maybe, you know, if there's,""" start="01:20:23.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if that's kind of what people use,""" start="01:20:25.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""figuring out or putting some information in""" start="01:20:29.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the wiki about how to do that,""" start="01:20:32.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, work with it or...""" start="01:20:34.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Oh, good idea.""" start="01:20:36.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can comment. It is definitely the""" start="01:20:43.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""preeminent streamer software out there,""" start="01:20:46.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well beyond the free software community.""" start="01:20:49.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's used by most streamers on Twitch and""" start="01:20:54.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other like commercial for-profit things but""" start="01:20:59.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of course those companies are making money""" start="01:21:01.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""off people trying to give money to the""" start="01:21:04.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""streamers. Those streamers aren't getting any""" start="01:21:07.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""software help. So actually most of them are""" start="01:21:10.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""dependent for their income on free software""" start="01:21:13.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like OBS and OBS in specific or by some kind""" start="01:21:18.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of forked brand name is the primary tool.""" start="01:21:23.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: If I'm not mistaken I believe Stefan has""" start="01:21:28.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""joined us right now in the room.""" start="01:21:29.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm putting you on the spot,""" start="01:21:33.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if you want to stay muted you can.""" start="01:21:34.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Oh, you have unmuted yourself.""" start="01:21:35.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: I managed to click the unmute button.""" start="01:21:38.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes, I'm here. How are you guys doing?""" start="01:21:41.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Doing good, surviving here.""" start="01:21:43.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Congratulations.""" start="01:21:44.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Late in your time.""" start="01:21:45.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Really amazing work organizing the""" start="01:21:50.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference. I really have to congratulate""" start="01:21:51.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everyone. So I just hopped on here to sort of""" start="01:21:56.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""say that I'm extremely impressed.""" start="01:21:58.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think this is an example to follow for""" start="01:22:04.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other conferences and for Emacs in general.""" start="01:22:07.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think we need more of this community-type""" start="01:22:09.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""organizing and just getting people interested""" start="01:22:12.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and involved on all kinds of levels can only""" start="01:22:15.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""help Emacs. Because we are in this for the""" start="01:22:20.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""long haul. That's it.""" start="01:22:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Oh, what a great point.""" start="01:22:25.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If I can comment, that's 1 of the things that""" start="01:22:28.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""drew me to trying to contribute to free""" start="01:22:30.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""software when I was a kid,""" start="01:22:32.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like we're talking now 30 plus years ago,""" start="01:22:35.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the idea like, and I recognized it from""" start="01:22:38.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Stallman's initial manifestos on the topic,""" start="01:22:42.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? He was clearly in this for the long""" start="01:22:45.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""haul. Like I am building the library of""" start="01:22:47.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Alexandria here and like linking the work""" start="01:22:50.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we're trying to do to community that I""" start="01:22:52.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""don't know how you could touch my heart you""" start="01:22:54.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""know more surely because that's that's""" start="01:22:57.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""exactly what we want to do not necessarily""" start="01:22:59.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""any given talk or comment but the idea that""" start="01:23:03.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have to get together and share our ideas""" start="01:23:07.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the place that we do that has to be just""" start="01:23:10.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""has to be a buffet and not a crucible.""" start="01:23:14.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: And look, we're standing on the shoulders of""" start="01:23:17.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""giants, really, when we're looking at Emacs""" start="01:23:19.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and sort of what we have achieved.""" start="01:23:21.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the galaxy of talent that exists in the""" start="01:23:24.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs community is also like truly""" start="01:23:27.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""impressive, I think. So There's a lot of work""" start="01:23:30.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to be done, but we've also achieved some""" start="01:23:34.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""pretty impressive things so far.""" start="01:23:37.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So let's just keep at it.""" start="01:23:38.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm sure we'll have a fantastic future for""" start="01:23:43.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs.""" start="01:23:44.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: You know, I'm kind of interested in what""" start="01:23:52.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Stefan's here. You know,""" start="01:23:56.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just the common tropes that go around.""" start="01:24:00.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I just hear it so much on the net,""" start="01:24:05.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, is Emacs still alive?""" start="01:24:07.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do people still use it?""" start="01:24:09.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know, and of course,""" start="01:24:11.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's like you have an older piece of software""" start="01:24:13.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that started so long ago,""" start="01:24:15.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people don't realize that it's still up,""" start="01:24:17.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it's also because of the trends,""" start="01:24:20.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? You know, we've got the electron-based""" start="01:24:22.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""development and Visual Studio is slick out of""" start="01:24:28.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the box. So what's in the core Emacs""" start="01:24:32.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""developers realm, obviously you guys are""" start="01:24:36.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""taking this longer term perspective,""" start="01:24:38.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which makes sense, but what do you think""" start="01:24:44.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about this issue, the shorter term and how to""" start="01:24:48.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""alleviate those concerns that some people""" start="01:24:52.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""represent?""" start="01:24:52.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Of course, yes. I mean,""" start="01:24:54.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this is something that,""" start="01:24:55.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, clearly people are discussing and as""" start="01:24:59.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you say, It's almost like a trope at this""" start="01:25:01.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""point. And it's been discussed on EmacsDevil,""" start="01:25:04.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what can we do to promote Emacs more and to""" start="01:25:07.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what extent should we care about that?""" start="01:25:10.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I mean, my reply to that is usually just,""" start="01:25:15.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the rumors of my death are very accurate.""" start="01:25:19.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think this is true also for Emacs.""" start="01:25:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we are very much here.""" start="01:25:29.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think what has happened also is reflective""" start="01:25:31.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of basically that there are just more""" start="01:25:34.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""programmers on the planet,""" start="01:25:36.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: And we""" start="01:25:38.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: right? haven't been able to sort of catch""" start="01:25:39.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that segment as it's been growing,""" start="01:25:41.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but also we have more Emacs users I think""" start="01:25:44.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""today than probably ever before.""" start="01:25:47.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We have more packages,""" start="01:25:48.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have more stuff going on.""" start="01:25:50.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I think it's a challenge as well,""" start="01:25:55.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like to what extent do we wanna be like a""" start="01:25:58.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""niche and to what extent do we wanna be the""" start="01:26:00.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""text editor for programmers.""" start="01:26:03.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think there's a tension there because""" start="01:26:06.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we want to stay true to what Emacs is and to""" start="01:26:09.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""its sort of core values of what makes Emacs""" start="01:26:12.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""great, but can we still make some changes to""" start="01:26:16.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sort of stay relevant.""" start="01:26:18.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think that's a huge win.""" start="01:26:21.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And clearly these discussions are going on on""" start="01:26:24.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Emacs level and in the minds of core""" start="01:26:26.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""developers, I think, every day.""" start="01:26:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Even though, I mean, most of our work is just""" start="01:26:32.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""trying to keep adding new features,""" start="01:26:35.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""make sure that we have that sort of core""" start="01:26:38.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""infrastructure in place,""" start="01:26:40.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is part of the reason why I gave the""" start="01:26:42.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talk I did yesterday, to invite more people""" start="01:26:44.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to come on board. Because I see a lot of""" start="01:26:46.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people have opinions about Emacs,""" start="01:26:48.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is amazing, and we need more of that.""" start="01:26:50.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I think, let's say,""" start="01:26:54.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""patches speak louder than words.""" start="01:26:56.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Software. And it's definitely true in Emacs""" start="01:27:01.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""development.""" start="01:27:01.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I want to just piggyback on,""" start="01:27:04.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like attack the premise of the question a""" start="01:27:06.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""little bit, right? Remember that we are sort""" start="01:27:09.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of in a trench warfare with commercial""" start="01:27:11.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interests that are dependent on dominating""" start="01:27:15.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""software ecosystems in order to exploit users""" start="01:27:20.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for money. Like that is a necessary thing to""" start="01:27:24.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a lot of people's business model.""" start="01:27:26.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And so we live in a world where software is""" start="01:27:30.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more than tools. It is clothing.""" start="01:27:32.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And so when I put on my Mac and I put on my""" start="01:27:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""UI skin, I'm not just choosing whether I like""" start="01:27:42.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sliders or radio buttons or check boxes or""" start="01:27:46.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the other UI mechanics that give that""" start="01:27:49.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""heuristic and make it make me think it's easy""" start="01:27:53.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to use, easy to learn to use,""" start="01:27:55.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? I'm also choosing a whole line of""" start="01:27:59.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""implementation detail that I'm being actively""" start="01:28:02.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""trained not to try to understand by,""" start="01:28:06.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, kind of the dark side of the force""" start="01:28:08.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""over here. So when I think about,""" start="01:28:11.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, make Emacs more like Toaster,""" start="01:28:14.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: you know,""" start="01:28:18.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I, 1 of my responses is every time that""" start="01:28:21.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""question asks, you know,""" start="01:28:22.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""an angel grows, gets asked,""" start="01:28:24.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""an angel grows its wings.""" start="01:28:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""A developer submits a patch,""" start="01:28:27.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a bug gets opened that we can,""" start="01:28:30.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, with enough information to actually""" start="01:28:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do something about it,""" start="01:28:33.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the ecosystem gets better,""" start="01:28:34.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? Whether a new user comes or not,""" start="01:28:38.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like somebody's actually asking a question""" start="01:28:40.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that's going to lead them someday to pick a""" start="01:28:42.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""better tool.""" start="01:28:43.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah, it's true. I mean,""" start="01:28:47.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have powerful enemies and they are not""" start="01:28:50.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""working for us. And when they are working on""" start="01:28:52.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""improving VS code, you can't be under any""" start="01:28:54.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""illusion that they are doing that in the""" start="01:28:56.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interest of the users.""" start="01:28:57.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They're doing that in their interest of the""" start="01:28:59.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""corporate owners. So this is the reality that""" start="01:29:02.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have to face and Emacs is just not like""" start="01:29:04.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that. And this is of course part of the""" start="01:29:07.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""reason why it's so important that we continue""" start="01:29:09.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this work for the future of being able to do""" start="01:29:14.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""computing in a free way and in a way that is""" start="01:29:17.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually, you know, supports the types of""" start="01:29:20.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""workflows that we know and love.""" start="01:29:21.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Something that I'd like to add to this is""" start="01:29:26.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that, you know, you've mentioned we need more""" start="01:29:29.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""programmers in the world.""" start="01:29:30.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And in light of what we're doing with""" start="01:29:33.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""EmacsConf, perhaps we need more people to be""" start="01:29:35.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at EmacsConf talking, not necessarily""" start="01:29:36.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""programmers, but just people apprehending""" start="01:29:38.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs and talking about it.""" start="01:29:40.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It feels like we've got different missions""" start="01:29:42.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that we're trying to accomplish with this.""" start="01:29:44.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We are... Okay, you...""" start="01:29:45.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Go ahead, Colin.""" start="01:29:47.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can't leave that alone.""" start="01:29:49.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I almost came in there on the previous point.""" start="01:29:52.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah, I actually Completely agree with that""" start="01:29:55.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Leo. That's something that and I mean to be""" start="01:29:58.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""fair. I owe a good I owe dev al a good email""" start="01:30:02.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on this topic, but we desperately need more""" start="01:30:05.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""project managers, more solutions architect,""" start="01:30:07.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more business process analysts,""" start="01:30:10.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more systems analysts,""" start="01:30:12.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more, you know, and the best tech,""" start="01:30:15.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, some of the best threads start with""" start="01:30:17.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""quite a bit of an analytical work done on the""" start="01:30:23.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""part of an engineer who's come along.""" start="01:30:24.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But actually, Larry Wall has this quote,""" start="01:30:29.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? Where he says, consider 3 solutions""" start="01:30:31.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and build 1. And I think we struggle with""" start="01:30:34.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that as a community because getting a patch""" start="01:30:36.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is a lot of work and a lot to ask for""" start="01:30:39.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""somebody. So asking 3 people to submit a""" start="01:30:42.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""patch means you're saying no to a lot of""" start="01:30:45.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""blood, sweat and tears on the part of like 2""" start="01:30:47.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people, maybe 2 teams of people.""" start="01:30:48.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: And 1 thing I think is a big expansion is""" start="01:30:55.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""usability and user experience design.""" start="01:31:02.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think, and not in the sense like,""" start="01:31:05.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, CUA mode or,""" start="01:31:08.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, people don't realize that Emacs key""" start="01:31:12.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bindings are actually ergonomic,""" start="01:31:13.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but more, you know, like for myself,""" start="01:31:16.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I did a lot of work in sort of bringing out""" start="01:31:20.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs features and did a lot of things""" start="01:31:24.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""creating this info doc,""" start="01:31:26.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, which is sort of like Space Max or""" start="01:31:28.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""something in the old days.""" start="01:31:30.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But the process, yeah,""" start="01:31:33.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""kept a lot of that from ever making it into""" start="01:31:38.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""CoreDMX and, you know,""" start="01:31:40.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just a lack of time on my part to follow up.""" start="01:31:44.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But if you had somebody,""" start="01:31:46.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, who sort of coalesced all the""" start="01:31:51.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""technical work on like,""" start="01:31:52.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""here's how we can put it together and make it""" start="01:31:56.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more accessible, I've seen that go a long way""" start="01:32:01.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in certain environments.""" start="01:32:02.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I imagine, you know,""" start="01:32:06.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's just not the experience of,""" start="01:32:08.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, most people on the core team.""" start="01:32:11.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah, for sure. I mean,""" start="01:32:14.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We don't have, I mean,""" start="01:32:16.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're mostly a bunch, we're a bunch of""" start="01:32:18.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""programmers. That's what we are,""" start="01:32:20.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? We don't have graphical signers or any""" start="01:32:22.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of the stuff that you're talking about.""" start="01:32:24.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we don't have really any UX experts on""" start="01:32:28.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""board. So perhaps that would be welcome.""" start="01:32:30.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But then again, how do you even fit the EMAX""" start="01:32:35.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""paradigm into what is typically taught and""" start="01:32:38.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""discussed in UX? I mean,""" start="01:32:40.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""maybe there is a way. I'm sure there are""" start="01:32:43.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""general principles and a lot that we could""" start="01:32:45.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""learn, But then there is also like this,""" start="01:32:47.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have to stay true to what Emacs is to some""" start="01:32:52.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""extent and what does that look like""" start="01:32:53.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""concretely. There are discussions to be had""" start="01:32:56.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for sure, but we would definitely benefit""" start="01:32:58.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from that type of specific input.""" start="01:33:02.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Well, I""" start="01:33:04.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: mean, like a simple example today is I looked""" start="01:33:06.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at the conference guidelines I always stay in""" start="01:33:09.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""dark mode and it said well use light mode for""" start="01:33:13.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""your presentation so okay I'll switch to""" start="01:33:16.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""light mode let me load a theme so I go into""" start="01:33:19.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""all the default themes and,""" start="01:33:21.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, start going through the light ones""" start="01:33:23.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then I check all the faces and,""" start="01:33:28.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, there are at least 3 to 5 faces""" start="01:33:31.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that have nearly invisible text as a result""" start="01:33:35.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of the background highlighting on them.""" start="01:33:38.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I'm like, you know,""" start="01:33:40.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so there's low hanging fruit like that where""" start="01:33:43.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people would deal with the structure of the""" start="01:33:46.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""menus, the actual faces,""" start="01:33:49.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the themes, that don't have to do anything""" start="01:33:53.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""affecting core Emacs except make the""" start="01:33:57.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""presentation much better.""" start="01:33:59.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah, definitely. If people want to send such""" start="01:34:03.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""polishing patches for various aspects,""" start="01:34:06.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I spent some time making a new help screen.""" start="01:34:09.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know if you noticed,""" start="01:34:10.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know how many people press Control H,""" start="01:34:12.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Control H on their keyboards,""" start="01:34:14.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But it's like with new sections and it's""" start="01:34:17.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sorted a little bit better.""" start="01:34:18.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It didn't take much. I mean,""" start="01:34:20.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it took a time obviously,""" start="01:34:21.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but it's not like it required some fantastic""" start="01:34:23.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""technical knowledge or deep expertise in""" start="01:34:28.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs Lisp to do that.""" start="01:34:29.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's Basically anyone can do stuff like that.""" start="01:34:31.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So definitely if you're interested in doing""" start="01:34:34.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that type of work, start discussing with us.""" start="01:34:37.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Let's talk about what we can do and get doing""" start="01:34:41.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it, really.""" start="01:34:41.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Yeah, this is exactly in line with your""" start="01:34:44.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""presentation from yesterday,""" start="01:34:45.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Stefan, as well, because you were just""" start="01:34:47.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""inviting people who are not contributing to""" start="01:34:50.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the core of Emacs to do so.""" start="01:34:51.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You were talking to package developer on""" start="01:34:53.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""MailPub, but you were also talking just about""" start="01:34:55.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the average Joe or Jane just doing their own""" start="01:34:58.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things or encountering a problem.""" start="01:34:59.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Now, yes, we talked about,""" start="01:35:01.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, you need to build master and all this,""" start="01:35:02.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but at the end of the day,""" start="01:35:03.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""low-hanging fruits like the ones Bob just""" start="01:35:06.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""described. If everyone does this at the end,""" start="01:35:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you end up with something that is extremely""" start="01:35:11.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""polished. Perhaps you do not need to have a""" start="01:35:13.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""UX specialist to tell you that,""" start="01:35:14.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""oh, those 2 colors are actually very close to""" start="01:35:18.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""1 another. I think it's kind of a discussion""" start="01:35:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about same defaults as well that you had""" start="01:35:23.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yesterday. Ultimately,""" start="01:35:25.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we do not need... 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Is it going to be someone""" start="01:35:41.003" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in computer science that's going to be the""" start="01:35:41.066" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""next giant""" start="01:35:41.082" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: on whose shoulders we're going to stand?""" start="01:35:41.137" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Is it someone who did not""" start="01:35:41.184" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Is it someone who did not study study""" start="01:35:41.192" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""computer science? Is it going to be someone""" start="01:35:42.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""who did something completely different?""" start="01:35:44.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We do not know the prototypical user of""" start="01:35:46.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs. We have some idea about the fact that""" start="01:35:49.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""they might be using you know,""" start="01:35:51.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs for their programming,""" start="01:35:52.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but more and more, and as is evidenced by the""" start="01:35:55.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""talks we received with EmacsConf,""" start="01:35:56.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's just people doing writing or taking""" start="01:36:01.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""notes for their classes.""" start="01:36:01.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So it's really interesting to see how and to""" start="01:36:06.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""explore for us how we can give back to the""" start="01:36:09.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""core of Emacs in a way that is mutually""" start="01:36:11.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""constructive because again,""" start="01:36:12.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to go back to the philosophy or the political""" start="01:36:14.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""agenda that we have is for more people to use""" start="01:36:17.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""software that is not the liberties.""" start="01:36:19.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Exactly.""" start="01:36:20.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: So right. Yeah. I mean,""" start="01:36:24.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that's a good spot for me to come right back""" start="01:36:25.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in. And that's exactly where I do.""" start="01:36:27.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Right. Because that's that's what it's all""" start="01:36:30.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about. In the In terms of a tool user,""" start="01:36:33.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, the evolution of using tools as,""" start="01:36:36.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, these creatures have fought,""" start="01:36:38.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs is fire. Emacs is the ability to learn""" start="01:36:42.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""languages, the ability to manipulate other""" start="01:36:45.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tools. I mean, it's almost like,""" start="01:36:48.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, God Emperor of Dune level,""" start="01:36:50.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, some Frank Herbert type of powers""" start="01:36:53.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that you have over your computer and you are""" start="01:36:56.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not required to understand how all those""" start="01:36:58.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things work. So from a support standpoint""" start="01:37:02.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that puts us in a challenging position,""" start="01:37:04.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? I spend a lot of time on Pound Emacs""" start="01:37:06.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and the questions that go by there,""" start="01:37:07.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I feel bad for people that feel like they""" start="01:37:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have to answer every question that goes by in""" start="01:37:12.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the channel because no 1 could.""" start="01:37:14.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""No 1 can give an intelligent answer to the,""" start="01:37:16.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, everything from,""" start="01:37:18.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Hey, how do I change my default font on this""" start="01:37:21.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""operating system? You've never heard of to,""" start="01:37:23.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, how do you know this list code?""" start="01:37:26.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's 40 lines long doesn't work.""" start="01:37:28.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I think it was a recent change that was""" start="01:37:30.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""made to the P case macro.""" start="01:37:31.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Do you agree? Right? And as deep as that,""" start="01:37:39.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""well is, if you turn it 90 degrees,""" start="01:37:42.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Emacs is that kind of tool to the""" start="01:37:45.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""operating system level.""" start="01:37:46.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's letting me walk across to other systems,""" start="01:37:48.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""multi-hop, become the super user,""" start="01:37:51.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? And, you know, the just the power,""" start="01:37:55.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the amplification of power there,""" start="01:37:57.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's like the lever combined with the magnet,""" start="01:38:02.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""etc, etc. I mean, just,""" start="01:38:08.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah, I don't know. So I guess where we kind""" start="01:38:14.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of jump off, where that gets stuck,""" start="01:38:16.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right, is trying to change something like the""" start="01:38:18.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""defaults in the user experience.""" start="01:38:19.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I imagine, you know,""" start="01:38:22.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we don't get 1 great idea about user""" start="01:38:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""experience, we'll get 3,""" start="01:38:28.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? And then Once again,""" start="01:38:30.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we have to send our brave developers off to""" start="01:38:32.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""build 1 to 3 patches, some of which won't see""" start="01:38:36.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the light of day. I think that's where the""" start="01:38:41.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""breakthrough is needed.""" start="01:38:41.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Another evolution in the packaging thought,""" start="01:38:46.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or maybe it's not packaging.""" start="01:38:48.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Maybe it's the compilation step.""" start="01:38:50.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Maybe it's the distribution step.""" start="01:38:52.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Maybe we want the Debians of the world to""" start="01:38:56.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""deliver Emacs as 2 different pieces now.""" start="01:38:59.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And there's a UX piece that we want you to""" start="01:39:03.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""package each 1 that you package,""" start="01:39:05.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""each 1 per window manager that you support or""" start="01:39:09.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at the intersection of each window manager""" start="01:39:11.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and display manager you port.""" start="01:39:12.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And the other one's just the server and you""" start="01:39:15.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""don't even have to package that if I'm only""" start="01:39:17.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""offering the CLI or there's a you know like""" start="01:39:19.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm making all this up and I can't code a""" start="01:39:21.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""single thing like what I just said,""" start="01:39:23.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I think that there's a technical""" start="01:39:26.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""opportunity. Pretty high level for technical""" start="01:39:31.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there of just thinking about a way to accept""" start="01:39:35.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""contributions of experience with maybe a""" start="01:39:40.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""little less rigor and a little less ground""" start="01:39:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into the marble.""" start="01:39:44.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Yeah it makes me think of somebody at work""" start="01:39:50.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just brought up pair programming and he's in""" start="01:39:54.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""love with it. He wants to pair up and do it,""" start="01:39:58.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which is not true of all programmers.""" start="01:40:01.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But I said, okay, so you spearhead that.""" start="01:40:05.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If we, I think it is a very high barrier to""" start="01:40:10.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""get your patches in because of course they""" start="01:40:13.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""need to meet the quality standard of Emacs.""" start="01:40:15.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So if people who are doing day-to-day""" start="01:40:20.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""understand that process and can do it well,""" start="01:40:24.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""could work with some of the people who can't""" start="01:40:28.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""quite contribute at that level,""" start="01:40:30.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but have ideas that are on the level that""" start="01:40:35.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""should go in, pairing them up could really""" start="01:40:39.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""move a lot of that forward.""" start="01:40:41.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like Lars, I don't know what his,""" start="01:40:46.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I get the feeling maybe he's retired.""" start="01:40:50.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So, you know, maybe he has some time,""" start="01:40:54.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, and he's really good at going back""" start="01:40:58.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in and saying, you know,""" start="01:41:00.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""these areas haven't gotten attention in a""" start="01:41:02.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""while, so I'm going to go kill some bugs and""" start="01:41:05.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""look at them and fix them up.""" start="01:41:08.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I would think he would be good to do that""" start="01:41:13.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with someone. But you know,""" start="01:41:15.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Again, I've got years of code that would just""" start="01:41:22.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""require somebody to work through it to update""" start="01:41:25.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to the latest code base and diff against it.""" start="01:41:28.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But it does things like,""" start="01:41:30.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, like if anybody used RMAIL anymore,""" start="01:41:32.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I made the summary mode of RMAIL exactly""" start="01:41:36.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""compatible key-wise with the main buffer,""" start="01:41:40.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""which it never was, and fixed a number of""" start="01:41:43.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other features. Dured made operations""" start="01:41:46.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""reversible, where you mark something and you""" start="01:41:49.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""unmark it, and you can go up and down.""" start="01:41:51.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And there are all these little""" start="01:41:53.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""incompatibilities that kind of add up across""" start="01:41:56.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time, and they never seem to get addressed.""" start="01:42:00.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We could just fix them and people would start""" start="01:42:06.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to say, oh, this is smoother and they are""" start="01:42:09.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""getting more of that experience because it""" start="01:42:12.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""feels like the systems maybe 80,""" start="01:42:15.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""85% of the way there in a lot of thoughtful""" start="01:42:20.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""design. But that last 15% could be the""" start="01:42:26.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""difference between an iPhone and an Android""" start="01:42:29.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""phone of usability-wise.""" start="01:42:32.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So that's a thought. That's a""" start="01:42:38.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: brilliant idea, and it probably can be""" start="01:42:41.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""applied far wider than emacs.""" start="01:42:42.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's something that that FSF should""" start="01:42:46.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""consider suggesting across,""" start="01:42:48.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, GNU packages,""" start="01:42:49.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for example, like a matchmaking project seems""" start="01:42:54.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like something that FSF community teams""" start="01:42:56.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""should think about. Yeah,""" start="01:43:04.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I was going""" start="01:43:04.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's so... to say also,""" start="01:43:04.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I noticed that the name Debian came up a""" start="01:43:08.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""while ago and now we were talking about""" start="01:43:09.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""programming and such and Mentoring maybe and""" start="01:43:14.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Debian has this service or part of their site""" start="01:43:17.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or community called Mentors.""" start="01:43:19.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They have a website, mentors.debian.net,""" start="01:43:22.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where the idea is that people who want to get""" start="01:43:26.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""into contributing to Debian,""" start="01:43:28.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for example, to package things,""" start="01:43:29.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but obviously don't have upload rights right""" start="01:43:33.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""away. This is where they can go to,""" start="01:43:35.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and this is separate from their mailing list""" start="01:43:38.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or bug trackers. They can basically build""" start="01:43:42.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""their changed packages and upload them here,""" start="01:43:44.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and then Debian developers who have commit or""" start="01:43:48.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""upload rights to the Debian archive can go""" start="01:43:51.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and review and give them feedback or ask them""" start="01:43:55.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to change something or if it's good,""" start="01:43:57.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""then just easily upload the package right""" start="01:44:01.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""from there. And I wonder if it might make""" start="01:44:04.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sense to have something kind of like that in""" start="01:44:07.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like the context of Emacs or the GNU project""" start="01:44:10.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as a whole, where we have like some kind of""" start="01:44:13.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""a, like loosely defined mentoring thing,""" start="01:44:15.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""where we could pair up people who are more""" start="01:44:18.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""experienced, who, for example,""" start="01:44:20.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""have commit rights in the Emacs core""" start="01:44:22.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""repository to match them up with someone who""" start="01:44:27.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is just making your very first patches or""" start="01:44:29.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""contributions to Emacs or whatever other GNU""" start="01:44:31.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""package. Just some food for thought,""" start="01:44:34.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: Yeah, sounds good.""" start="01:44:38.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I guess. Yeah, and then I guess 1 feature of""" start="01:44:44.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""such a system which would be nice is that it,""" start="01:44:47.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""at least in terms of, you know,""" start="01:44:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the mentors that Debbie and that,""" start="01:44:50.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that it has a web UI, which,""" start="01:44:52.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""is nice because mailing lists might be""" start="01:44:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""intimidating for someone who is just getting""" start="01:44:58.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""started, like in these communities.""" start="01:44:59.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Or, you know, just making patches like that,""" start="01:45:03.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or just have a series of concrete""" start="01:45:05.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""instructions. Like with mentors at""" start="01:45:08.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Devian.net, I feel like you can't go wrong in""" start="01:45:11.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""terms of finding the steps of figuring out""" start="01:45:13.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""what you need to do to put together some""" start="01:45:16.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""change. Which I think the same idea could""" start="01:45:19.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""apply to Emacs, for example,""" start="01:45:20.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""as well.""" start="01:45:20.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: I think this is a good point about lowering""" start="01:45:24.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""barriers, and how email is a barrier to""" start="01:45:27.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people. I mean, so on the 1 hand,""" start="01:45:28.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you have us guys on Emacs level,""" start="01:45:31.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're very used to the email workflow.""" start="01:45:32.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like we're not just using it for fun.""" start="01:45:35.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You know what I mean? Like this is a""" start="01:45:37.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""workhorse. It really is.""" start="01:45:38.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's tried, it's battled,""" start="01:45:41.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tested. It has some quirks,""" start="01:45:42.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but we know them extremely well on the other""" start="01:45:45.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hand. So, but still we want more people""" start="01:45:48.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""involved, right? And we realized that,""" start="01:45:50.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, times are changing as well.""" start="01:45:52.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And people are more used to doing stuff from""" start="01:45:54.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the web browser, perhaps.""" start="01:45:55.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we do want to move to a forge,""" start="01:46:00.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""or at least start looking into that.""" start="01:46:01.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But there are some obstacles.""" start="01:46:03.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we are looking for volunteers to do that""" start="01:46:06.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""work. I'm not just saying it,""" start="01:46:07.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like we are very serious.""" start="01:46:08.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm very seriously asking people in the""" start="01:46:11.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""community to consider,""" start="01:46:12.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hey, could you dedicate some time?""" start="01:46:14.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, it will take some dedication for sure""" start="01:46:18.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it will take some time and it will take some""" start="01:46:20.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""describe probably even you know Be prepared""" start="01:46:23.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to be frustrated at times right,""" start="01:46:24.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but if you're serious about doing that type""" start="01:46:26.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of work, okay now""" start="01:46:28.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I believe you Well, I'm just I'm just teasing""" start="01:46:32.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but but but yes exactly any I mean it's it's""" start="01:46:35.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not even a joke right Any serious undertaking""" start="01:46:38.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""having to do with any free software project,""" start="01:46:41.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just because we are open to the entire world""" start="01:46:45.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and we pride ourselves on trying to take""" start="01:46:47.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""seriously all input. And if it's a logical""" start="01:46:50.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""argument, then we'll go ahead and take the""" start="01:46:51.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""time to combat with you,""" start="01:46:53.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even though the maintainer has 300 other""" start="01:46:54.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things to do. Like, man,""" start="01:46:57.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this""" start="01:46:58.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: is just the way it is,""" start="01:47:00.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right? It just, It's not like Emacs is way""" start="01:47:02.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""harder to change than any other project of""" start="01:47:06.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""its longevity and size.""" start="01:47:08.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's just these things take time.""" start="01:47:10.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Try getting a change into Debian.""" start="01:47:13.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's an uphill battle.""" start="01:47:15.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't even know where to start with that.""" start="01:47:16.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""That's huge, right? And I have tremendous""" start="01:47:19.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""respect for the people doing that type of""" start="01:47:21.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""work because it takes dedication,""" start="01:47:22.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it takes effort. So we really need someone to""" start="01:47:26.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""step up from the community,""" start="01:47:27.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I think, to be a champion for something like""" start="01:47:29.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this and work together with us on Emacs Devil""" start="01:47:33.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and off Emacs Devil, probably with me and Eli""" start="01:47:37.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and perhaps some other people that could be""" start="01:47:40.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in the mail thread, and we could coordinate""" start="01:47:41.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this type of work. I would be super excited""" start="01:47:44.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""if someone wanted to get the ball rolling.""" start="01:47:46.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can't do everything.""" start="01:47:48.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I wish I could. Like, I thought about it.""" start="01:47:51.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Should I just put everything to the side and""" start="01:47:52.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do this? But then, I mean,""" start="01:47:53.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there are some, there are other""" start="01:47:54.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""responsibilities as well.""" start="01:47:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So we need someone to step up.""" start="01:47:57.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We need help here.""" start="01:47:58.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: you're gonna speak. I was totally gonna pick""" start="01:48:03.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""on you. Go ahead.""" start="01:48:04.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so. Oh, good, Thanks,""" start="01:48:05.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah, I was just gonna say,""" start="01:48:06.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yeah, I echo Stefan's sentiments.""" start="01:48:08.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And that, yeah, in terms of like maybe""" start="01:48:11.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""experimenting with a different Forge or a""" start="01:48:14.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""better Forge and like,""" start="01:48:15.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, supplementing Savannah.""" start="01:48:16.124" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And supplementing Savannah.""" start="01:48:16.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I actually did some initial work a couple of""" start="01:48:20.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""months ago to get a SourceFed instance""" start="01:48:23.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""installed for the new project.""" start="01:48:24.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I've done some work on and off,""" start="01:48:28.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but then life happens,""" start="01:48:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""especially from September onwards.""" start="01:48:32.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But even from earlier in the year,""" start="01:48:35.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the project has been semi-dormant,""" start="01:48:36.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I have been meaning to get to that.""" start="01:48:38.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'm like 1 such person who's interested in""" start="01:48:42.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that type of work and driving it forward and""" start="01:48:44.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I would love you know if anyone's and anyone""" start="01:48:47.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""else has the kind of time and energy and the""" start="01:48:50.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interest to help with something like that.""" start="01:48:52.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yes, please reach out to all of us,""" start="01:48:55.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""to Emacs core developers,""" start="01:48:56.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of course, and to myself.""" start="01:48:58.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""This is something that could be very useful,""" start="01:49:01.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not just for GNU Emacs and Emacs developers,""" start="01:49:04.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but also for any other GNU package as well.""" start="01:49:09.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So yeah, that's 1 area of potential""" start="01:49:13.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""contribution and 1 thing that we sort of,""" start="01:49:15.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess, regularly meet with the FSF""" start="01:49:17.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""sysadmins to discuss these kinds of projects""" start="01:49:20.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and things as Corwin would know.""" start="01:49:22.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Yeah, that's kind of, I mean,""" start="01:49:24.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you knew exactly where I was going to,""" start="01:49:26.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and I'm glad that you volunteered yourself""" start="01:49:27.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""personally because that's the best choice.""" start="01:49:30.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""If you're hearing this and you're thinking,""" start="01:49:32.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, maybe I should do some sysop stuff,""" start="01:49:35.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""literally reach out to Amin.""" start="01:49:38.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And because it's complicated,""" start="01:49:41.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there are a lot of projects to volunteer for.""" start="01:49:43.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""They're all very worthy.""" start="01:49:44.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And it's sort of political to figure out what""" start="01:49:48.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we're gonna try to change for whom first to""" start="01:49:52.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""demonstrate we can do all the things we wanna""" start="01:49:55.940" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""do to make it better without losing all the""" start="01:49:58.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things that are important about how it is""" start="01:50:00.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""today. And we'll do it in a measured way like""" start="01:50:04.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everybody's just like room full of rocking""" start="01:50:06.500" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""chairs everybody's got a long tail it's a""" start="01:50:09.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hard project but you will do something that""" start="01:50:12.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just a lot like as a Savannah hacker which I""" start="01:50:15.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""am with Amin So that's how I know about his""" start="01:50:17.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""work on that project. We worked together on""" start="01:50:20.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Savannah Forge. I'm aware of his work""" start="01:50:22.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""piloting SourceHut recently and just with a""" start="01:50:26.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""working group there to look at the next""" start="01:50:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""generation of forges for GNU.""" start="01:50:30.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs of course as a GNU package could go do""" start="01:50:34.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""its own thing. FFS would most likely give""" start="01:50:36.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""cash to go do its own thing,""" start="01:50:38.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even if it didn't like it.""" start="01:50:39.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We know, you know, as a,""" start="01:50:41.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like if I put on, I'm not FSF,""" start="01:50:42.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but if I put on that hat,""" start="01:50:44.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I imagine that we must know.""" start="01:50:45.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs is a flagship thing that people in the""" start="01:50:50.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""real world depend on. If I get this ancient""" start="01:50:52.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""computer, I get a working Linux distribution""" start="01:50:55.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and Emacs. Maybe it's not Microsoft Word as a""" start="01:50:59.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""word processor, but you guys,""" start="01:51:00.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you can learn a language on it for sure,""" start="01:51:03.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know And you can do your homework on it""" start="01:51:05.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and you know It's it makes your you can edit""" start="01:51:08.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things and then you can edit your system""" start="01:51:10.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""files and teach yourself how to manage a GNU""" start="01:51:13.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""system and you can You know so Emacs is""" start="01:51:17.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""really powerful as a practical tool.""" start="01:51:19.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Like I keep coming back to that point when I""" start="01:51:21.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""think about Emacs, like I really put it as""" start="01:51:25.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, it's an important tool on the like""" start="01:51:27.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""humans inventing tools level just because it""" start="01:51:31.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""lets me make this editor into whatever I need""" start="01:51:35.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it to be to get my actual work done.""" start="01:51:37.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Whether that's getting the length,""" start="01:51:39.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""maybe that's making the font big enough that""" start="01:51:41.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can see it, or making it easy enough to""" start="01:51:43.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""change from this font to that font,""" start="01:51:44.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""changing the background colors,""" start="01:51:45.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like your basic vision,""" start="01:51:47.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""accessibility issues, right?""" start="01:51:49.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""All, you know, solved,""" start="01:51:52.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can bake that customization in and I can""" start="01:51:55.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""pretty much depend on,""" start="01:51:56.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""no matter what we change in Emacs,""" start="01:51:57.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm gonna accept the new version,""" start="01:51:59.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""it's gonna be on the next computer I get,""" start="01:52:01.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm going to install the package and my""" start="01:52:03.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""configuration that sets all that up will be""" start="01:52:05.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""there for me. Right? It's like back to""" start="01:52:10.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Stefan's point, what, 6 and a half hours ago,""" start="01:52:13.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, you know, 20 minutes ago about""" start="01:52:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""just... Oh gosh, I lost it.""" start="01:52:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Boy, I really thought I had handed that""" start="01:52:27.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""neatly back to you.""" start="01:52:29.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: No problem, Yeah, I think we're in general in""" start="01:52:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""agreement.""" start="01:52:36.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: If we are now in the realm of Concord,""" start="01:52:41.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""of harmony, and the realm of midnight in""" start="01:52:44.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Europe, Should we bring this discussion to a""" start="01:52:47.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""close or we could go all night,""" start="01:52:49.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""but I'll need to explain to my employer why""" start="01:52:51.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""my eyes are barely open tomorrow.""" start="01:52:52.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's probably a good idea.""" start="01:52:56.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I see some folks starting to slowly sign off.""" start="01:52:59.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, also, you know, Leo,""" start="01:53:02.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you could leave and just miss out.""" start="01:53:04.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What?""" start="01:53:05.460" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Hey, Sasha, can I say something like what an""" start="01:53:13.620" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""amazing job with everything you're doing in""" start="01:53:15.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the community over the years?""" start="01:53:16.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm so impressed with Emacs News.""" start="01:53:18.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What a great resource to stay up to date in""" start="01:53:22.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Emacs. Just really hats off to you for a""" start="01:53:24.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""whole lot.""" start="01:53:25.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you""" start="01:53:26.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: very much. It actually turned out to be quite""" start="01:53:29.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""timely that John Wheatley had suggested it""" start="01:53:31.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""back when he was maintainer because when I""" start="01:53:35.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""had the kiddo, I suddenly had 0 time to""" start="01:53:36.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""actually write new things.""" start="01:53:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But reading things is fine.""" start="01:53:39.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I can just speed read all the Reddit things""" start="01:53:41.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and put the links together.""" start="01:53:43.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So I'm very glad that Emacs news is helpful.""" start="01:53:45.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: it really is, yeah.""" start="01:53:49.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: It is, So, okay, now let's try to go for our""" start="01:53:55.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""closing thoughts here while Leo's still here.""" start="01:54:00.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And then if we wanna keep rolling,""" start="01:54:01.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""even after Leo drops, we won't tell him,""" start="01:54:04.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we'll tell him we're stuck.""" start="01:54:06.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I guess that was a beacon to me to perhaps go""" start="01:54:12.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for the second close of the day I've already""" start="01:54:14.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""done it I can do it again But I will prove""" start="01:54:18.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Sasha wrong this time.""" start="01:54:19.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I will miss out if need be because really,""" start="01:54:21.020" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I have been very impressed with the sleep""" start="01:54:24.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""record that you had and I am very envious""" start="01:54:28.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""right now of your past ability to sleep more""" start="01:54:32.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""than 9 hours per night.""" start="01:54:33.160" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""And I wish I would be able to go back to""" start="01:54:35.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""this. But anyway, folks,""" start="01:54:37.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm going to drop out.""" start="01:54:38.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""People might hang out for a little while""" start="01:54:40.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""longer. Bear in mind that Sasha might get""" start="01:54:42.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""called at any point to go take care of Kido.""" start="01:54:44.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""So this might wrap up very fast afterwards.""" start="01:54:47.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""But at any rate, it was my pleasure to be the""" start="01:54:49.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""host today. Stefan, thank you for joining.""" start="01:54:51.420" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Bob, thank you for joining and interacting""" start="01:54:53.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""with us and making this a little more""" start="01:54:56.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""interactive and more plural than just the""" start="01:54:58.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""co-organizers. And on that note,""" start="01:55:01.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I will be leaving. So have a wonderful night,""" start="01:55:03.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everyone. And we'll see you next year for the""" start="01:55:05.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""next edition, potentially.""" start="01:55:06.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thank you, Leo. You're my hero.""" start="01:55:09.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I take everything I said on mumble back.""" start="01:55:11.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""You're amazing.""" start="01:55:12.280" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: bye everyone.""" start="01:55:14.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: All right, Thank you all.""" start="01:55:16.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Take care. Bye. I will""" start="01:55:17.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: also say bye bye. I also need to go to bed.""" start="01:55:20.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you all for this cool conference and""" start="01:55:22.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hopefully we're here through the year and at""" start="01:55:24.920" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""least in 1 year.""" start="01:55:25.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: You've probably made the rest of the rest of""" start="01:55:30.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the victorious. You really stepped up.""" start="01:55:34.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: your contributions.""" start="01:55:38.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks so much for Yeah,""" start="01:55:38.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: thanks so much for being a part of it,""" start="01:55:40.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""specifically you, Floey,""" start="01:55:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and just everyone. Thank you all.""" start="01:55:43.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 6]: Have a nice day or night and we'll hear each""" start="01:55:48.180" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""other. Bye!""" start="01:55:48.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: See you. Okay, well,""" start="01:55:51.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Thanks, Zen. I'll go next.""" start="01:55:51.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm the next newest, I think.""" start="01:55:53.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Well, I want to say also,""" start="01:55:59.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you know, Bob and Stefan,""" start="01:56:01.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""thank you so much for jumping in and""" start="01:56:03.660" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""participating in the closing remarks.""" start="01:56:04.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I too think it's a lot of,""" start="01:56:06.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, it's fun to just,""" start="01:56:08.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like, share the buzz after the convention.""" start="01:56:10.760" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We've got all these millions of ideas and""" start="01:56:13.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""then to have a group, a little group think""" start="01:56:16.120" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about what we're walking away from that with.""" start="01:56:18.960" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""What is the temperature of the fire in your""" start="01:56:22.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""belly? And it's just...""" start="01:56:24.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I mean, this is 1 of the highlights of my""" start="01:56:28.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""year in a way that it's just...""" start="01:56:30.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't think other people...""" start="01:56:31.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't think I dare explain it to other""" start="01:56:33.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""people. I think my wife understands and I""" start="01:56:35.880" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""will do. So thank you very much for this""" start="01:56:40.600" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference and the opportunity to participate""" start="01:56:42.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""in it. You know, just the conversation,""" start="01:56:45.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""how vibrant the chat is on IRC,""" start="01:56:48.540" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""how the variety of talks,""" start="01:56:52.080" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""some of the talks that look like television""" start="01:56:54.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""content to me and others that look a lot like""" start="01:56:59.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""my talk. And working through your slides and""" start="01:57:03.840" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""doing it live and you know I appreciate that""" start="01:57:06.100" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""we make a place for all those levels and and""" start="01:57:10.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""show people how to improve our craft as well.""" start="01:57:12.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm not actually dropping or going anywhere.""" start="01:57:26.140" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll continue to talk about eMAX until I get""" start="01:57:29.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the dinner time bell. I've probably got an""" start="01:57:30.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hour here. I'll tell you what will happen""" start="01:57:40.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""though is I'm guaranteed to light a""" start="01:57:42.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""cigarette. You can already see me kind of""" start="01:57:43.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""hovering about my room because I'm trying to""" start="01:57:45.860" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""avoid like smoking on camera.""" start="01:57:47.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know where that came from.""" start="01:57:49.300" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm giving it up in approximately 5 seconds.""" start="01:57:52.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Yeah I'm gonna hop off.""" start="01:57:58.980" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It's possibly right here.""" start="01:58:00.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'll work tomorrow.""" start="01:58:02.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I took the next 2 days off.""" start="01:58:06.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I'm actually going camping,""" start="01:58:07.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Stefan. I know I've learned that this""" start="01:58:11.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""conference leaves me completely emotionally""" start="01:58:12.800" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""exhausted. I just like,""" start="01:58:16.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I don't know, I watch all,""" start="01:58:18.700" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I feel like I just connect with all the,""" start="01:58:20.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""like it's this time where I connect with all""" start="01:58:23.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""these people that spend as much time thinking""" start="01:58:25.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""about Emacs as I do.""" start="01:58:26.580" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: All right, so maybe we should wrap up before""" start="01:58:31.480" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you have like, you know,""" start="01:58:32.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that overflow error and just...""" start="01:58:35.380" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: In buster thrill, okay.""" start="01:58:38.000" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you""" start="01:58:41.720" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: so much, everyone. Let us actually wrap up""" start="01:58:45.200" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""then. Everyone can find the recordings if you""" start="01:58:47.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""want to keep the conversation going.""" start="01:58:48.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""There are meetups, there are people's blog""" start="01:58:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""posts and video channels and mailing lists""" start="01:58:54.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""and all those other things.""" start="01:58:55.320" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I often I list a lot of meetups in Emacs news""" start="01:58:58.820" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""so that's another great way to stay connected""" start="01:59:00.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""through the year and we hope to see everybody""" start="01:59:02.560" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""next year at EmacsConf 2024.""" start="01:59:04.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Thanks Sasha for the send off and goodbye to""" start="01:59:11.260" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""everyone. Oh Sasha I think you were muted but""" start="01:59:16.740" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""yes I was still there I assume that's what""" start="01:59:18.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""you just said. I lied.""" start="01:59:21.220" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I was staying around like Corwin was.""" start="01:59:23.680" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I just said goodbye, but then I wait in the""" start="01:59:25.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""bushes, waiting for the ambush.""" start="01:59:26.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Well I'm personally surprised,""" start="01:59:29.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""speaking for myself. I wouldn't have guessed""" start="01:59:32.780" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""that would happen. All right,""" start="01:59:36.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: The perfect moment. well,""" start="01:59:36.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""I guess that's a wrap then.""" start="01:59:37.360" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you, everyone, and see you next year.""" start="01:59:39.060" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I thought we were clear like 10 minutes ago.""" start="01:59:43.440" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Are we not? We are, right?""" start="01:59:45.340" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""We're definitely clear.""" start="01:59:47.400" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 5]: OK, I'm""" start="01:59:48.040" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: hanging up now. Good night.""" start="01:59:49.240" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""It was wonderful to meet you.""" start="01:59:50.640" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 7]: Take care Corwin""" start="01:59:51.900" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: Bye Stefan. Bye. Bye all""" start="01:59:56.520" video="qanda-emacsconf" id="subtitle"]] Questions or comments? Please e-mail [sacha@sachachua.com](mailto:sacha@sachachua.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20emacsconf%3A%20EmacsConf.org%3A%20How%20we%20use%20Org%20Mode%20and%20TRAMP%20to%20organize%20and%20run%20a%20multi-track%20conference)