all right
in the meantime while waiting for corwin
wow we did it
look at that
yeah it's I mean who would have thought
right
I mean I I surely didn't when we started
no knowing how
exhausted I was at the end of the first
day I would have imagined
to survive the second day of more of
this same nonsense
um yeah it's it's been fun
it's been a lot of work um especially
for you and sasha
but um you know it's it's incredible I'm
I'm very happy
that um you know we managed to pull
through
um you know for two days straight not
one day
yeah well hey we did try
well we actually did manage to accept
all the top proposals
so if you're thinking oh I could I could
give an even better talk than the ones I
heard today
or yesterday please send us a talk
proposal for next year
we might be able to fit it's all in but
we might have to declare an Emacs week I
don't know
yeah absolutely yeah it's it's funny
like
um I remember a little bit last year but
also this year we kind of
we're trying to set up um I guess sort
of a procedure for
accepting and rejecting talks but then
you know we have got the actual
submissions and oh my god so much
awesome stuff
um I mean I definitely wouldn't have
been a movie
how can you say not anything it's emad
so you just throw it all in
including the kitchen sink and then
we'll sort it all out later
so if you went through all this the
entire conference and you missed some
interesting talks because a we started
early
because you're very excited and didn't
need the technical you know buffer time
uh or b you really had to step away at
some point so you must
talk you really wanted to recordings
will eventually be available
yes absolutely um yeah I know
so many people asked in the chat um you
know
is did I already miss the stock or are
the pre-recordings up
um yeah so they're not up yet but
um you know especially with the
pre-recordings that
those are basically um ready to be
uploaded so
you know right after we finish this talk
um
I'm going to um start uploading them
um because you know those are just ready
we have them
and then for the ones that were only
live
also as well as the live q a sessions um
we will try to process them
and get those up as well yes after
you've had some sleep
yeah after after some rest um
yeah and I'm I'm just with us oh there
you go hey corbin
um yeah I don't think we have your sound
yet so double check that
but um hi how about now yes
um yeah I'm just seeing the chatbot go
by an EmacsConf and
everyone is being so nice um it's just
making me smile
okay people want a question section so
I'm gonna add a question
thing and people can throw in their
questions
somewhere just telling you if you want
three Emacs conference per year the
answer is no judging by the amount of
stress that we've accrued all together
today
we are not ready to do this three times
every year the answer is
you're welcome to organize it and we'll
happily share our notes
um and I will take a mention of it in my
Emacs news
so please feel free to go ahead and put
things together yourselves
yeah absolutely um you know for me I
think once a year is
quite enough but um if
go ahead oh however if I if today leaves
you wanting more
there are emax meetups and I think there
are a couple of a
couple of them coming up in december so
if you check back in my talk
for Emacs news highlights I've linked to
a couple that are coming up in the next
couple of weeks
nice yeah and I think zakariya mentioned
that um
he's either participating or he runs or
is one of the people that runs the Emacs
nyc meetup
um yeah so definitely check that out and
you know all the other ones that may be
out there
um yeah for sure uh
yeah so so I'll jump in on there
on that point too I I have a lot of
energy for
um for helping people get together um
adam uh uh from melpa
suggested uh I should do some twitch
stuff I'll probably try that I have put
a couple things out there and even a few
people came by
so I I think I would agree the interest
is there
and I definitely would love to spend
that time talking to people that want to
organize
as well as people that are interested in
just learning to use Emacs as an editor
I think it's um I think it's a fantastic
journey speaking for myself as somebody
that um I don't
always have the right keystrokes right
at hand sometimes yeah
my mentor in in computer programming is
david dyer bennett and
um I started uh apprenticing with him
as when he was a freelancer um
many decades ago now and
you know he has a mantra that is uh
you know I can do that in about five
minutes if it's
the right five minutes and and that's
kind of the story of my life
um and Emacs is just a tool to
get the right five minutes more often no
matter
you know how can how cooperative the
fingers are
or or whether the ideas are free-flowing
you know
and getting that right environment is a
lot of things for a lot of different
people a lot of things to us on a
different day
um so yeah I have a ton of energy
around you know hey let's talk more
absolutely um yes so
you know I think we are everyone's
pretty energetic
oh before I forget I know I will forget
um
to speakers uh those of you who are
still watching right now
um I would very much appreciate it if
you could send us you know
any of the materials you know for
example the slides or any links and
resources to us
so we could add them to to the
EmacsConf wiki
or you can add them directly yourself if
you go to Emacsconf.org
edit there's instructions for basically
anyone
to edit the wiki if they like to um
yes so now uh back to getting
uh getting back to corwin's point um and
also what sasha mentioned
so um you know maybe one EmacsConf
might be enough
um for us for one year or for me but
um in terms of Emacs related events
um so this this conference was
uh is like you know mainly about Emacs
um but it's also in my opinion a
showcase of
um just how much you can do with free
software Emacs itself is free software
but um also all the tools that we used
um these two days for like uh streaming
for you know playing back to videos um
yeah it's all free software and anyone
can use and improve them
so um one thing that I wanted to put out
there before I forget
is that um so we have these couple of
servers set up
for streaming for imax conf and I would
be very much happy to
um help any other group basically
you know look into using our
infrastructure for
doing their own live event using only
free software so if you are interested
in that
please feel free to ping me either in
the max conf channel on freenode
um where my nick is bandali or just
email me at
bandeli gnu.org um I would be happy to
help you with that
um yeah I'll defer to others
we'll jump in and jump in there george I
mean
it's okay you've been you've been quiet
for too long now I I have this I have to
pick on people when there's more than
three people in a group
you know somehow that's the point of
wait I'm afraid somebody gets shy
and when it's not me I I you know
um so you know I I
uh yeah I can't thank you enough for the
for all you've done I mean I have a
whole list of thank yous here that I
could just start reading
uh but but they you know they start with
you and that was the abbreviated list I
gave at the beginning of the first talk
right
I just appreciate the sense of
encouragement and
openness that you bring to it I think
you know we share uh
taking inspiration from a lot of people
in the community and want to give that
back and that's a great thing to have in
common
around any any volunteer
thank you it's a it's a pleasure um to
be part of this
awesome community around Emacs um this
piece of free software that has been
around for more than 40 years as
impressive as that is I think more
impressive is a community around it
and all the people people around it
um yeah definitely
sorry I'm just smiling because I've
managed to catch a glimpse of the first
question that we have
and I'm trying to suit myself literally
to know how to answer this question
and I'm not exactly sure how to do this
to the best of my ability so
I don't know I think this at this point
we would like to remind all of our
viewers of the
conduct guidelines
try not to objectify our speakers
yeah that's a generally good point to
remember
um even in the closing remarks
because that's that's a thing I do and I
just wa I want to go on record saying I
am
ready to take it on any live stream any
day of the week please call me on that
it's always you it's always a new
experience for somebody
I've definitely been across lines that
embarrass me before and
I want to know about that thank you in
advance
okay so do you want to do like someone's
official
closing of people so closing up stuff
just in case
people want to know what the next steps
are and then we can do all the fun
questions and hanging out thing
okay um right so yeah
okay following up um emax meetups and
mention those uh if you want to keep
connecting with people you can do that
throughout the year
we'll figure out some kind of like list
on Emacs wiki or whatever that will list
the different meetups or you can just
search for emats meetup in your area
but of course since many of them have
online meetups now um Emacs news will
mention those whenever people remember
to tell me in advance
um okay so Emacs meetups that's the
thing collaborative pad
the either pad isn't great there is a
meta discussion so if you want to add
things that worked well or make notes of
things that could work even better next
year
then write it while it's fresh we'll
make a copy and we'll post it
to the wiki somewhere like we did last
year
we can also copy and paste the links
from the individual sections
into top pages so you can follow the
links from there
and if you spoke at a conference and you
would like to make it easier for people
to follow up with you
please let us know your follow-up
information and we can add it to that
page also
or it's a wiki you can edit yourself if
you have questions when the videos
finally come out
when you watch them after the videos
have come out then you can look at the
page for follow-up information
and subscribe to the mailing list low
traffic you can get updates like when we
release the photos I release the videos
and uh and they're ready for you to
check out so that's what I got for
next steps awesome
thank you sasha um do one of you guys
want to do
the um the thanks or should I do them
no read to you so good
I was gonna I was gonna say the same
thing you are so you go ahead
okay
thinking that that was an awesome thing
for for ramen to do if you would be
willing
yeah you're the lead organizer you get
stuck with other fun jobs
all the difficult stuff yeah
yeah you don't know dating upwards read
my crap if you don't want to
but um oh no that's
I definitely want to read that corbin um
yeah I'll pull it up
but um yeah before we get into that um
I want to read what we have here so uh
thank you very much to the free software
foundation
especially the tech team for lending us
allowing
us to use this very big blue button
instance
that we've used for live calls and um
live q a with so many of the speakers
this year
um thank you so much uh shout out to the
tech team
um especially reuben who does a lot
especially with big blue button um
and like streaming in general um but
also
the other members of the tech team like
ian andrew and michael
thank you all um next stop volunteers
bobbin david bremner uh dave o'toole for
taking um on basically writing
descriptive text
in our #emacsconf-accessible channel
along with uh joe corneli and
um sea bass or sea bass um
basically for transcribing talks
um in a way live um
[Music]
yes thank you to corwin of course
uh thank you to carl voight uh thank you
to
sasha and leo very much um
for all your hard work um this event
literally wouldn't have been possible
without all of your uh
guys's helps um so thank you
and as I told you in the chat you know
you would have been
really happy to one-man army the entire
thing if we hadn't been there so
I I don't know I may have been able to
but I definitely would have been happy
to
I'm much more happier this way so um
I guess it's the moment when we ask you
uh your energy level is it at
50 is it at 40 can you give us an
estimate
roughly um yeah which is what uh
corbin had mentioned um I think I'm at a
good
like 50 or 60 percent um it's just
blended
yeah definitely more than I can say last
for last year
but yes thank you um
thank you to um all of the
our awesome audience members um everyone
who participated in any way
in the conference also
of course a big thank you to all the
awesome speakers
for submitting all of these amazing
talks
um on a very wide range of topics from a
wide
range of backgrounds it was just awesome
thank you um and now corbin do you want
to read over your text or should I do it
it's entirely up to you I mean I
I would have to find it again but I will
I just have to bring the right Emacs to
the front here
my story of today yeah sure go forward
um I've already talked enough so I kind
of like the idea of putting words in
your mouth
honestly if you feel good saying go go
for it and that'll be good for me
or if we want to segue into random next
conversation I'm up for that too but I'm
conscious of
other people with uh um
young friends wandering about the house
and beginning to thump on things
I got it I probably didn't what have you
pasted me before
right that one is that what you wanted
yeah
I saw the question in there about
windows that's definitely a subject I'm
happy to talk about I think others on
the call have gotten
uh gotten some of that in in as part of
other conversations
um in brief summary it's kind of a
necessity thing
it's um
it's it's complicated you know it's but
I I guess I I can say uh
I'd ask you not to not to make free
software purity tests right
you know I um need windows right now
and so that has to be fine because I
want to be able to give back
I'm looking at it I had the wrong part
of the buffer open I think karen
let me briefly say um
we're using okay so I can I can talk
about crdt we experimented with it um
and I quite a bit and then eric and I
significantly further we uh messed up
some of our slides significantly getting
a little too ambitious with having
multiple people editing it
and letting everybody go to work on the
presentations
so we wasted we found many different
ways to use Emacs to waste time and
preparing for emax conf
but I'm pretty confident we have we have
all the good parts saved and
we'll just need to pull those together
uh
for you back into a single or more file
that we can put up with those videos
thanks again for bearing with us um
hopefully my point about
Emacs being there for you came across
oh yes I can scroll I can scroll back
down to your text if you like
okay here we go
uh we're figuring out carwin here's your
text
if you want to read it otherwise I'll be
plenty happy to read it if you want me
to
take it all right
obviously you had to ask the esl learner
so english as a second language to read
a chunk of text so thank you for this
all right okay so uh this is my call win
so Emacs is very very complicated
and using computer is hard with Emacs we
have an ideal opportunity to learn
from our errors to take on hard work
with diverse groups
and to effect lasting solutions to make
Emacs
and thereby any word of software thing
in practically
any human and spoken language easier to
learn and to use
forever life doesn't come with warning
labels
or margin notes we have a blank map and
an uncertain number of batteries for the
torch
but there's light in the darkness it's
freedom
it's the idea of giving to people
something that cannot be taken away
ultraman to say that that was very
beautiful uh
thank you corbin for writing that
okay so uh are there any questions
oh muted
I still can't I'm muted I think I'm
sorry
um what I said was thank you uh
just thanks
I just this community has really been
there for me it's
hard to learn and need
so yeah I keep laughing because I I see
things coming through the chat and I do
not know how to react visually
I'm not used to getting those types of
messages
it is very upsetting I don't know which
one to use I'm using my english as well
I'm intentionally not looking over there
because I'll just get dragged into
conversation and then this we will be on
live stream all night I don't know if
you know me at all in fact I
I my apologies you probably don't hi my
name is corwin I like to talk
I like to get you excited about ideas
that I think we agree about
so we can get somewhere solving an
important problem and there's a lot of
important problems in the world so
I have been living in a devil's paradise
throughout covet as people are sitting
at home
and really frustrated especially in the
united states where I live
about political and social justice
issues you
probably heard of the town where I live
recently
as a direct um
uh kind of crucible there right
um we are a troubled people
we're arguing about freedom it's to the
point where it's hard to put those words
down
without assuming people are gonna write
you off as a shyster
that's insanity we know exactly what
that means
especially in this community we uh
we're here because we want to
um because we want to make sure that
some
part of what the potential that
technology offers
is indelibly written out there that
nobody can take away
that's the bottom line on that that that
closing thought I mean that's where I'd
leave you at with Emacs conference
you want to make stuff that other people
can't take away because that's where
freedom
is hiding
thank you and I agree there is something
to be said about
um you know this idea of having some
piece of software
or an art form to um
setting it free to to live on
indefinitely into the future and for
everyone else
um and for people who may have not
already even been born
to you know at some point someday
discover it and
um you know start using it and making it
even better
um yeah so I think on that note
this might be a good note to conclude on
what you folks think
I always like to go around the room one
time but again I'll keep everybody on
the phone forever so don't
don't don't use my definitely I have to
be seconded
[Laughter]
okay um leo sasha
uh I was just wondering if we'd answered
as many questions as we could
from the people because I believe we've
answered some of them and sasha has been
kind enough to answer them in line
but maybe we wanted to take some of them
live especially some of the later ones
just to
send people off with a feeling that we
answered to the very last question that
they had
and until the sound over my head gets
too loud and I have to mute I'll be here
and then I'll uh
be here if I can convince the loud ones
to come watch with me
so it's really up to you I mean we I'm
the one crumbling right now you know I'm
just
it's pure showmanship that is keeping me
up right now the energy that I've been
accumulating over the last few days
but what's going to happen basically
when we finish this live stream
firstly I'm going to turn off this light
which has been blasting
a very white light in my eyes and up
until 11 pm
every single day you see this very comfy
uh you know so far what not I'm just
going to
crush on it right away so
that sounds like a good plan to me um
you know we've all worked hard
especially you all um and definitely
deserve some rest
to um you know rejuvenate our job
and get back into it again um
yeah sasha did you want to add anything
else
you just muted yourself yes you've just
muted yourself
uh yeah just answering questions at the
moment um
[Music]
at some point I will have to do two
things but in the meantime I can do
Emacs grown-up Emacs things wow
what are you saying grown-up Emacs but
we still had a talk by uh
someone today who was uh 17 I believe
so yeah I was very impressed by this
yeah it's awesome just seeing the wide
diversity and the wide
age range of people um just getting into
Emacs picking up
for all sorts of different things um
corbin and I had a bit of a chat about
this about this
piece of free software that is Emacs and
all the freedoms
freedoms that it grants us um but yeah
we could
go on forever and ever um yeah I really
can
and then and you know and it has to be
about getting something done and that's
where I think
sasha your work and organization is so
uh vital to us
we uh you know we have to direct that
energy into self-organizing
and and that's where I'd like probably
to focus my work
over the probably the next several years
is
um is is putting that thought and some
of the
uh some of the ideas that are built into
org mode and
in fact some of the implementation
that's built into org one and in fact
probably org mode
because hey there it is
to work on that yeah you should see all
the org scripts I wrote
so cool not that other people but anyway
we wrote this like fancy scheduling
thing
and you should check out the
submissions.org to to try to use it
because then if other people use it they
can improve it and then I get to use the
improvements next year
also erc ux irc clients awesome
so a lot of automation was a lot of fun
to work on absolutely
yeah sasha did a lot of cool automation
stuff this year
um you know around generating the
schedules and everything the pages in
the Emacs freaky with org mode
um and you know for the calls with uh
speakers
and coordinating in imaxcom.org
um or like you know updating the topics
all this stuff
she basically automated all of this um
which is definitely very impressive and
I know I'm gonna be looking into
um yeah definitely check out um
erc I'm a little biased um I
started sort of maintaining it a little
bit ago
but um it's been there forever and
you know I'm just following the
footsteps of giants or standing on their
shoulders
so definitely check it out um yeah
any uh last notes to add before we get
back
to um playing the last few demos that we
have
I just wanted to say that I'm really sad
for the people
uh viewing uh viewers right now who
won't get
the thrill of receiving a message by
sasha at 3am telling
oh I found a way to automate all the
talks I found a way to have this
schedule be generated automatically in
an old mode file
and you know I'm having my team in the
morning I'm waking up I see an email
which was unless three am and I say
wow impressive
that works like quite nicely for you um
leo
with like you know the times and time
zones and everything
and with sasha usually getting it on
later at night
um yeah you do get this bedtime right
wait until bedtime and then up until
like one or two because it's too much
fun
yeah exactly um yeah
so uh on that note
if uh there isn't much else to say then
I will uh thank each and every one once
again
um who was in any way
part of this um and helped with um
any of this um basically
um Emacs company anyway um and watched
it
helped whatever um submitted the talk um
I very much thank you um this wouldn't
have been
what it has been without um all of
you folks participation and help and
um just being out there and spreading
the gospel of Emacs
um yeah so
yep there we go leo
sorry someone just asked me if I was
still wearing jeans today so I just felt
obligated to show it
nice I never got my thanks in I I have
to thank
uh leo and uh
and I'll just stare at you but I I won't
say your name
yet again um for the insane work that
you do
and and and sasha um
you are an asset to our whole community
with the vibrance that you bring and the
the passion that you have for
um for community itself uh
I think a lot of us can say that you're
you're driving a lot of our work
in in certain ways um
and then I I want to thank all the
presenters for uh
for working with us to get every
everything scheduled
and also my team and project
um for helping uh get the project
actually testable we had some
interesting stuff to show
and my family for uh all that they do
to make it possible for me to give back
to free software
oh there's a question um someone's
volunteering to help just get the stream
recordings out
so it's it's up to you yeah your call
you want
them out and then you have some time to
prepare nice
cut up versions or do you want everyone
to hang on and then just link to like
the EmacsConf website
right right um I would very much
appreciate help with that
in fact um for last year's um live
recordings
we had someone to help us um
uh andrew jordy in fact who also helped
light a bunch of transcripts last year
did an awesome job um
yeah I really wanted to have him around
this year but you know circumstances
with
um everything going on around around the
world
um just didn't work out but um yeah I
could
definitely use um help with cutting up
the videos
you know for the pre-recordings that's
pretty trivial it's just me having to
upload them
and create the pages so I will do that
but
um to whoever asked the question if it's
on the pad
or if it's in irc sorry I missed it I
will go I'll look back later
um yeah just ping me message me or email
me
at vandalia gnu.org and um I would
appreciate your help
so have we finished the roundtable uh I
believe we're
doing the last thinking so colwin did it
sasha did it
should I go next
so well as you can see I've lowered
myself
ever since the last time I've spoken so
the dynasty started
starting to set in but uh yeah I just
wanted to
um rejoin everyone and just say that
thank you
so much to all the organizers who have
been helping us uh we've done a stellar
job
that I believe at least this year of
keeping things on track
and I hope that all of you have been
able to enjoy this
and yeah I don't have any anyone
in particular to thank you know uh for
me free software was
for a very long time something I did in
my bedroom
on the side of my studies and generally
when I was procrastinating
from writing that one particular essay
or that one particular thesis
you know I did my old mood stuff in the
background so
just to be able to you know join the
community
when normally I got the chance to you
know write some code for it and try to
animate to community but also to be part
of an event
that is so genuine
in its mission so genuine in the way
that
we got speakers together we had you know
we had this excitement that we wanted to
share and judging
by the reactions we've had over the
couple of days you know I I believe
we've
completely hit our target and as corwin
said yesterday I
am I guess I suppose a little humbled I
know it might sound weird for me because
I'm
from britain all the time but when we're
going to press stop
to diet you know for the broadcast I
think it's
going to start slowly dawning slowly
sorry french accent coming back slowly
dawning on me what we've done and
yeah it'll take me a couple of weeks to
recover mentally
spiritually physically and whatnot but I
believe after I'll be able to enjoy what
we've been able to do and for that
thank you so much
um yeah it's you're still you know kind
of in the moment and
um kind of maybe you haven't quite grabs
grasped at all yet but yeah I think
it'll
start hitting us all individually at
different points over the next couple of
days or weeks
um as we take some time to you know rest
up and re-energize
and you know keep going forward um
yeah so on that note if um
no one else has anything to add I will
um
[ __ ] you all farewell and thank you
everyone once again for joining us
and making an awesome amazing EmacsConf 2020.
um just quickly say we weren't sure that
we will be able to pull it off
given all the madness going on around
the world but
for us to have broken um so many of our
numbers and records
for all of them basically um you know we
just had
just about like two and a half or three
terabytes of streaming bandwidth usage
so that's
incredible and so many people join in so
many talks
so it's amazing thank you um
yes I see a question coming will the
ether pad be archived somewhere on
imageconf.org
um and the answer is yes I think sasha
is answering
um yes it will be linked under
imanxconf.org
2020 um that page will contain all the
resources about
everything um you know
uh about imsgufton20 2020 sorry
um yeah now you see some people saying
early happy birthday to me
um thank you so very much um I think
this
uh this conference was an incredible um
I guess
prelude to to my birthday um
so thank you all and on that note
I will end the stream and say goodbye
and
beat you very well bye
bye everyone and then you're going to
play the
devils yep exactly okay
bye bye