WEBVTT 00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:10.719 so we can't hear you right now just to 00:00:10.719 --> 00:00:11.280 make sure 00:00:11.280 --> 00:00:15.120 no now we can hello 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:18.560 hello morning good morning 00:00:18.560 --> 00:00:21.680 good morning all right so looks like 00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:25.039 um you can hear me let's see if the um 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:28.240 stream can hear me can someone in Emacs 00:00:28.240 --> 00:00:28.880 con 00:00:28.880 --> 00:00:32.000 confirm that they can hear me as well 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.920 yes awesome yep apparently they can 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:39.520 awesome okay great um 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.399 alrighty let's get started do you guys 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:42.719 wanna 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.840 go ahead with the opening sure 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.160 sasha do you want to start okay hello 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:50.160 and welcome to the second day of Emacs 00:00:50.160 --> 00:00:51.920 con 2020 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.719 and you could we've got a whole lot of 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:55.520 uh 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.600 of development talks and coding related 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.840 talks scheduled for today so you can 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.160 do a quick scan of the schedule again 00:01:02.160 --> 00:01:04.559 all the times are very approximate 00:01:04.559 --> 00:01:07.200 so if you happen to be earlier late for 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:08.320 something that you wanted to 00:01:08.320 --> 00:01:11.600 see we'll figure it out uh we've got um 00:01:11.600 --> 00:01:12.240 we've got 00:01:12.240 --> 00:01:14.560 talks about the Emacs development itself 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:15.439 as well as 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.799 developing with Emacs uh and a couple of 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:19.439 things that 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.200 were more user talks but got moved to 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:22.960 the second day for timing reasons 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:24.080 because there's so much stuff on the 00:01:24.080 --> 00:01:25.759 first day 00:01:25.759 --> 00:01:27.280 that's uh that's our quick schedule 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.119 overview the schedule page has more 00:01:29.119 --> 00:01:31.680 of course now how do you actually do all 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:32.479 that uh 00:01:32.479 --> 00:01:35.680 leo you want to tell them yep so as 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:37.119 yesterday if you want to participate 00:01:37.119 --> 00:01:38.320 well I suppose you're 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:40.159 watching the stream right now so I won't 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:41.600 go into detail as far as this is 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:42.399 concerned 00:01:42.399 --> 00:01:44.079 but for the questions and for taking 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.000 notes we are using an after pad 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:47.840 where basically you just go onto the 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.360 page and you add your questions 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:51.439 under the topic which is being discussed 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.040 at the moment so I'm sure the people 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.560 will be putting the legs back in the 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:55.840 chat I'm just going to do this real 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.280 quick 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.880 there we go so now it's in the chat sir 00:02:00.880 --> 00:02:04.000 we have on isc three rooms that you can 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:04.399 use 00:02:04.399 --> 00:02:05.840 if you want to get in touch with us 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:07.439 first if you want to discuss whatever is 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:08.959 going on during this stream you can go 00:02:08.959 --> 00:02:09.679 on 00:02:09.679 --> 00:02:12.560 imax cont okay and that's where most of 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:13.760 the discussion happens 00:02:13.760 --> 00:02:16.319 we also have #emacsconf-accessible 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.239 for the people who either can't see or 00:02:18.239 --> 00:02:19.920 can't hear and you know they 00:02:19.920 --> 00:02:21.520 we have lovely volunteers who have been 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:22.720 describing what has been going on 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:23.680 yesterday 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.599 uh and we really thank you for this 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:27.760 because it's really great for getting 00:02:27.760 --> 00:02:29.760 you know more people giving the chance 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:31.120 to more people to follow the conference 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:32.800 so thank you so much for this 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:34.080 and also if you want to get in touch 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.640 with us the organizers either if you are 00:02:36.640 --> 00:02:38.640 a speaker or if you have anything that 00:02:38.640 --> 00:02:40.319 you'd like us to know about 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.400 something like a streaming problem or 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:43.840 audio problem or anything along those 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:45.599 lines you know 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:46.959 maybe other programs actually keep them 00:02:46.959 --> 00:02:48.480 in imax conf we are looking at both 00:02:48.480 --> 00:02:49.280 charts anyway 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.160 but to get in touch Emacsconf that oh 00:02:52.160 --> 00:02:52.560 sorry 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.480 dash.org and also we had I don't believe 00:02:56.480 --> 00:02:57.120 we have 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:58.720 we had all that much of this yesterday 00:02:58.720 --> 00:03:00.560 but if you would like to continue the 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:01.680 discussion 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.920 with some of the speakers like you had a 00:03:03.920 --> 00:03:05.360 topic that you really liked and you'd 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.120 like to continue talking with them 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.159 well we invite you to go on jitsi and to 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:11.120 create a room 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.040 uh all together and to have a direct 00:03:13.040 --> 00:03:15.280 direct chat with the speaker 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.280 or whichever people might be interested 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:18.560 in the topic as well 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.640 okay I believe that's me I'm not sure to 00:03:20.640 --> 00:03:21.760 whom I'm handing 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:23.360 the rest of the presentation is it to 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.080 you I mean um yeah sure I can take it 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.760 um all right so hello everyone welcome 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:32.480 to the second day of ux comp 2020 um 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:33.840 thank you for being here 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.360 today and for those of you who were 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:36.799 around yesterday thank you for being 00:03:36.799 --> 00:03:38.239 around yesterday as well 00:03:38.239 --> 00:03:40.959 um it was an awesome day and you know 00:03:40.959 --> 00:03:42.400 like leo and sasha said 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.400 today I think is also very much gonna be 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.560 another awesome day of great talks 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:49.040 um yeah so I'm very much looking forward 00:03:49.040 --> 00:03:49.760 to it 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:53.040 um so yeah the schedule is up um 00:03:53.040 --> 00:03:56.560 at emacsconf.org/2020/schedule you 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:57.760 gotta scroll down 00:03:57.760 --> 00:04:00.959 to the second day uh let's see people 00:04:00.959 --> 00:04:02.640 tell me that my mic is quiet 00:04:02.640 --> 00:04:05.840 um I guess I can on the stream 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.120 um I think so yeah let me double check 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:09.599 this 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.720 real quick okay I can also try 00:04:12.720 --> 00:04:14.959 um like increasing the volume here a 00:04:14.959 --> 00:04:17.919 little bit 00:04:17.919 --> 00:04:20.000 okay it doesn't sound all that quiet to 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.440 me just because we are 00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:23.840 I'm being very familiar right now so the 00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:24.479 volume 00:04:24.479 --> 00:04:27.360 must be quite high compared to you no 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:28.479 yeah it's it's fine um 00:04:28.479 --> 00:04:32.240 okay I think it's better now um anyways 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.919 let's see awesome yeah so yesterday 00:04:35.919 --> 00:04:38.479 um you know so the setup that I'm using 00:04:38.479 --> 00:04:40.800 this year for streaming the desktop 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.400 and the talks is that I use the um 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:47.919 script a a script by the fsf forks which 00:04:47.919 --> 00:04:52.000 they also used for liquor planet 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.400 and so the thing with this script is 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:56.240 that it only takes one audio source by 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.040 default 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.120 and so I have that set to the desktop 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.520 audio so yesterday on the spot I had to 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:03.440 improvise to how to get my own audio on 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:05.199 the stream and I used mumbo 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:06.880 but then that added a delay which was 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:08.720 pretty annoying um 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.720 but today this morning I figured I could 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.120 use pulse audio's um monitor system to 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.240 add myself 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.039 um right on this machine um so that the 00:05:17.039 --> 00:05:18.479 delay is shorter and 00:05:18.479 --> 00:05:19.840 seems to be working well so I'm very 00:05:19.840 --> 00:05:21.759 happy about that um 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.080 but anyways yeah so let's get on we have 00:05:24.080 --> 00:05:24.960 the schedule 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:26.880 um I'm thanking again the free software 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:28.479 foundation tech team 00:05:28.479 --> 00:05:31.680 um for um you know 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.600 uh allowing us to use this very big 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.280 button uh instance 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:38.720 um that uh you know for live talks um 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.039 let's see um I'd like to thank all the 00:05:41.039 --> 00:05:42.240 volunteers once again 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.680 um you know uh bavin david bremner 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.240 david dave o'toole who's been specially 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.280 helping out a lot 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:51.360 in the e-max imax conf dash accessible 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.120 channel with describing what's going on 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:54.800 at any given moment 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:58.000 um of course corwin 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.039 carl boyd and um the two folks that 00:06:01.039 --> 00:06:02.639 you're seeing right beside me right now 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.080 uh leon sasha 00:06:04.080 --> 00:06:06.479 who's been doing so much this year um 00:06:06.479 --> 00:06:08.240 thank you all very much 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:12.479 um yeah let's see oh and also of course 00:06:12.479 --> 00:06:15.440 our wonderful speakers and audience um 00:06:15.440 --> 00:06:15.840 which 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:18.000 are basically the main thing that this 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:18.880 conference 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:21.199 is about and is centered about us people 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.280 talking about their experiences 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:25.360 um sharing the things they've learned or 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:26.880 they find interesting and 00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:29.840 for everyone to discussing in chat um 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:31.440 yeah so it's awesome 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:33.759 uh if you scroll down a little bit on 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:34.880 the page 00:06:34.880 --> 00:06:37.600 um I just want to plug the mailing list 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:38.319 right 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.639 yeah so we have the emacsconf-discuss 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:41.919 mailing list 00:06:41.919 --> 00:06:45.039 once again um which you know is 00:06:45.039 --> 00:06:47.600 we use for discussions around the 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:48.240 conference 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.039 including announcements before and after 00:06:51.039 --> 00:06:52.479 it's a fairly quiet list 00:06:52.479 --> 00:06:55.520 um so if you do like to subscribe um you 00:06:55.520 --> 00:06:55.840 know 00:06:55.840 --> 00:06:57.199 you won't get bombarded with emails 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.440 really um 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:01.759 uh yeah so that's something to consider 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:02.880 um for example you know 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:04.639 after the conference we're gonna be 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.240 posting all the videos 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:07.759 and um that's where I'm gonna be 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:09.440 announcing it um at least 00:07:09.440 --> 00:07:12.880 in in one place one of the places um 00:07:12.880 --> 00:07:15.680 yeah and I'd also like to draw attention 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:16.720 to our 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.360 conduct guidelines at emacsconf.org 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.199 conduct 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.120 which is a series of guidelines and 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.599 suggestions to to help make the event 00:07:25.599 --> 00:07:28.800 you know enjoyable and um you know an 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:30.000 awesome experience for everyone 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.280 involved um I think um so I wasn't 00:07:33.280 --> 00:07:34.639 keeping a close eye on the chat 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:36.160 yesterday because it was super busy but 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:36.880 I think 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:38.479 uh in general you know everything was 00:07:38.479 --> 00:07:40.240 going pretty well pretty smoothly 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.319 um so thank you so much everyone for 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.319 keeping these in mind 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.879 and um yeah that's it for me let's see 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.479 if lee or sasha would like to add 00:07:48.479 --> 00:07:51.520 anything 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:52.879 no but if you're all good to go you've 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.319 said everything and we've said 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:55.680 everything 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.120 have a great day awesome yeah um 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.000 uh okay someone okay so dave is asking 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.280 what is the hallway track 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:06.319 uh slash on conference um do either of 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:07.520 you want to explain that or should I 00:08:07.520 --> 00:08:08.160 take it 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.080 uh basically we're gonna have our hands 00:08:10.080 --> 00:08:12.400 full keeping the keeping the main track 00:08:12.400 --> 00:08:14.080 running but of course 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:15.360 people have all sorts of interesting 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:17.280 conversation ideas and sometimes it's 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:18.879 nice to do it in real time or with 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.960 shared screens or things like that 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:23.360 so if you're having a conversation and 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:24.639 you want to have 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.000 more of a webcam or screen sharing thing 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.039 to enrich that discussion feel free to 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:32.800 set up a web conference using any of 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:35.360 your okay 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:36.880 can you do time in practice later all 00:08:36.880 --> 00:08:38.880 right feel free to 00:08:38.880 --> 00:08:41.760 set up your own conference c type web 00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:43.120 conference thingy 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.080 and um and go find the people who are 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:47.279 interested in the same thing 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.839 and I'll do all that stuff right 00:08:49.839 --> 00:08:50.480 absolutely 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.120 thanks sasha yeah so basically the idea 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:53.760 is that 00:08:53.760 --> 00:08:55.360 so you know because of the limited time 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.080 we kind of have to um keep moving along 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.720 uh from one talk to the next and you 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.240 know sometimes there's a lot of awesome 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.080 questions or discussions going on 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:05.760 from for example you know in Emacs con 00:09:05.760 --> 00:09:08.240 for like for the questions on the pad 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.440 um yeah so the I guess hallway track or 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:12.160 unconference 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:15.360 is basically a suggestion for those who 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.160 are interested 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:19.120 to for example set up a jutsu meet room 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.120 and then you know I'll go join there 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.519 and discuss the talk if you know if the 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.279 speaker can join after their talk 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:26.240 wonderful 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.519 um but if not even um you know if if 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.519 only like you know the audience and 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.000 folks you know from the emax campfire c 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.760 would like to join and discuss that 00:09:35.760 --> 00:09:37.279 definitely works too 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.320 um yeah that's it um 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.000 I think oh one other thing that we I 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.560 guess wanted to mention possibly is that 00:09:44.560 --> 00:09:46.560 um yesterday I think I noticed that a 00:09:46.560 --> 00:09:48.640 lot of the questions were getting added 00:09:48.640 --> 00:09:52.240 um like top to bottom on the pad but um 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.560 I think the suggestion is to put them 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:56.000 like stack them up so like 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.000 um add new at the new questions on the 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:59.360 top um 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.600 that might make it easier both for you 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.120 know the people 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.760 to who are typing the questions um but 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:07.120 also for the speaker to 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.519 sort of have a fixed I guess um point 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:10.720 where they're looking at for new 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:11.760 questions 00:10:11.760 --> 00:10:13.839 um so don't put your questions under 00:10:13.839 --> 00:10:15.200 somebody else's question 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.760 put it at that top level sort of you 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:18.640 know thing 00:10:18.640 --> 00:10:21.519 right get your own bullet points yeah 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:23.040 and on the same topic yesterday some 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:24.480 people were a little scared 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:26.959 when all the colors were removed it was 00:10:26.959 --> 00:10:27.839 me basically 00:10:27.839 --> 00:10:29.839 in order to help the speakers know which 00:10:29.839 --> 00:10:31.680 is the section that should be looking at 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:33.680 at the start of every presentation what 00:10:33.680 --> 00:10:35.200 I will do is that I will wipe all the 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:35.760 colors 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:38.480 so all the attributions of modifications 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:39.360 to authors 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.600 so that the streamer sorry the speaker 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.200 has a little easier time finding their 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:44.480 talk in the list 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.200 right yeah so yeah for for speakers just 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.560 keep scrolling down until you hit a 00:10:48.560 --> 00:10:49.360 colorful 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.079 colorful section um with the author 00:10:52.079 --> 00:10:52.640 colors 00:10:52.640 --> 00:10:55.600 and um yeah double check that um that's 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.200 you know it is your talk 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.560 um yeah with that said I think that's 00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:04.240 all of it for our opening remarks right 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.760 um okay awesome so in that case 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:12.320 um we will start queuing up the talks 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.560 next up right after this opening remark 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:16.959 we have Emacs development updates by 00:11:16.959 --> 00:11:18.880 um one of the co-maintainers of Emacs 00:11:18.880 --> 00:11:20.240 john weekley 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.320 um it is a pre-recording and um 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.519 I don't think john is awake yet because 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:28.399 of right he's 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.279 probably uh still asleep but um he will 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:31.839 be 00:11:31.839 --> 00:11:33.920 um looking taking a look at the 00:11:33.920 --> 00:11:35.120 questions on the pad 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.160 later on um so yeah please keep posting 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:40.160 your questions on the path for him to 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:43.279 later look and try to answer awesome 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.800 so see you guys in a bit