#+OPTIONS: toc:nil #+begin_export md [[!meta title="Meeting notes"]] [[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2020 Amin Bandali, Sacha Chua, David O'Toole, Corwin Brust, Leo Vivier, Daniel Gopar"]] #+end_export * Actions :noexport: [[elisp:(progn (org-export-to-file 'md "meetings.md") (magit-stage-file "2020/meetings.org") (magit-stage-file "2020/meetings.md"))]] * Ongoing projects :PROPERTIES: :CUSTOM_ID: ongoing-projects :END: - Subtitles/transcripts: sachac, bhavin192 - FOSSHost: mplsCorwin - Calendar, connecting with meetups: sachac - Streaming infrastructure for meetups?: bandali, sachac - Amin and Gopar's podcast: bandali, gopar - mplsCorwin's livestreaming project, working on trimming - Writing about Emacs: zaeph * January 21, 2021 meeting - Updates: - Sacha: one more talk left to transcribe for day 1, hooray! Everything else has been edited. Next step for day 1 is to edit the subtitles into transcripts and make them available. Also want to check if ableplayer passes LibreJS, since that can give us clickable transcripts; will include text transcript anyway for non-JS. - zaeph: Emacs Research Group wants to meet daily - bandali: A little tired because of work; but good progress is being made (yay!). Some progress done on the podcast. - corwin: mental health improving; looking forward to getting back to the swing of things :) - Next EmacsConf: Calendar? - We could stick to the same period as 2020's edition (i.e., mid-November to mid-December) - CFP? - start earlier: accomidated anticipated higher - First entire week of July might be a good time: it'd give us 4 months before the actual conference - Office hours - Could be used for the outreach part of the CFP - Could also keep people excited about EmacsConf - On the format - A regular timeslot where people can join - We ask them whether we could use a recording of the session to build some hype for the EmacsConf - We can also have a private moment with them to address some of the possible problems with their talk/topic - Short-ish and regular works best, probably - Let's work on this during February, and let's aim for a first session in March - if there are not presentations we can record and share we could use clips from recent orginizer meetings; we could close meetings with statements intended for this use. - On having multiple tracks for the next EmacsConf, either simultaneous or single-threaded - Three tracks based on levels of mastery, e.g.: - Beginners - Pro-users - Package developers - Last year, we had de-facto tracks, or recurring topics like music, academic research, SVG-graphics, games, typography/themes, free-software philosophy, etc. - We could use this info for the *outreach program*: 'We'd love to have people come talk to us about music' - Overhauling the graphics for the conferenc - Posters? - Scenes in OBS - Custom dashboard.el ? - Figuring out the roles for the next EmacsConf - Fleshing out roles for everyone in advance (so that we're not figuring it out one week prior) and along with this any private comms to faciliate (e.g. iff voice-over and cuts are different roles). - Diversity discussions - Taking inspiration from the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines - On changing the time for the weekly meeting - Corwin is happy to keep the same time because it'll motivate him to wake up early on Saturdays - We could have a monthly session which takes place on a weekday to try to get more people on board (David O'Toole, David Bremner, Karl Voit, etc.) - Ongoing projects for February: - FSF Fiscal sponsorship (Leo) - Office hours roadmap (Leo) * January 14, 2021 meeting - Updates: - Sacha: - More subtitles edited (bhavin192 is helping too). Almost done with day 1 except for opening/closing remarks and manual transcriptions for 03-questions and 08 - switched to using emacsnews Reddit account - scheduled tweets from @sachac about upcoming Emacs events - do you want these mirrored to @emacsconf or something? - no new events aside from the ones already on the calendar - bandali: recorded first episode of Emacs Weekly, skipped the news component and just had an interview about EmacsConf - next: - mix audio together and edit it - plan to have several buffer episodes before releasing, maybe beginning of February - can put together separate segments - news might be doable with less prep - can do solo episodes - maybe community hosts, too? - nudge from Sacha to transcribe or have show notes if possible =) - gopar doesn't have a laptop at the moment - which parts of your config might be good to contribute to core? questions to nudge people to contribute to core/packages - This question coudl also be used in workshops settings with a sense of chronology: 1. publish it online, 2. merge it to core? - Q for mplsCorwin: would you like to transcribe 03-questions and 08, or shall I go ahead and do them? - sachac - Q for bandali: is the emacsnews Reddit thing handy for you? It's okay if you're still experimenting. - not tested yet - Testing quick collaboration - Testing tmate so that other people can edit the meeting minutes easily - Test? it is working! - Here I am in tmate and emacsclient. Each person can have their own emacsclient tab. - pat selves on back for getting stuff done, yay - Diversity workshop: It'd be nice to organise a 2h session where we discuss every problem that arised in the last conference, and pre-empt those that might arise for the next editions - Using the word 'open source' - Lack of diversity in the presentations (CFP?) - Next steps: - sachac: follow up with mplsCorwin or transcribe 03-questions, 08; then all the day 1 talks will be done * January 7, 2021 meeting - Checking in: - bandali, zaeph, gopar, sachac, dto - bandali: fairly uneventful, things are going okay, learning more about Jami, experimenting with DSLR for webcam but aspect ratio is a little weird - sachac: virtual school started again; EmacsNYC meetup; emacs calendar in HTML and Org - dto: having fun with neural networks - zaeph: at his parents, can't do much work, enjoying the lull; figuring out collaborative slipboxing with org-roam; getting more into writing - gopar - Agenda: - Update: emacslife.com/calendar - Update: attended NYC meetup - methodology - bandali - met with organizers of EmacsNYC. They were curious about BBB and Jitsi, streaming, IRC web client - met with gopar last night re: podcast - will work on a blog post about the technical setup - someone wanted to set up a meetup in Mexico, too, so maybe we can make an updated starting-a-meetup guide (https://harryrschwartz.com/2015/09/14/starting-an-emacs-meetup.html) - how to find people and advertise - reddit.com/r/emacs - Emacs News - https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Usergroups - how to stream and record - what it might be like if there are no presentations (don't worry! hang out, share cool stuff, figure things out together, flip through Emacs News) - sharing afterwards - CRDT: see BBB chat if you want to try it - dto: - tutorial; (also, SystemCrafters just livestreamed an Emacs Lisp tutorial too) - Hmm, it's like having lab hours - Could be open (office hours, bring your questions; maybe a liiittle structure) or guided (here's an exercise to start with) - podcast - Upcoming workshops - BBB has breakout rooms, might be worth looking into if it scales up a lot; Jitsi can have multiple people sharing screens at the same time; - EmacsNYC said Jitsi is okay for the 20-30 people they've seen so far; EmacsBerlin said the same too (I think they self-host; want to see how they're doing it?). Sounds like it's much better now than it was last year - dto will figure it out and write things up =) - one-on-one tutorial was nice; finger memory for how to type some of these Lisp expressions - it's better to have that interactivity, I think, since there are plenty of lecture-type resources on the Net - one-on-one is fine, and then you can scale up (1-on-2, etc.) as you become more comfortable with it and see what can help you scale (ex: having them SSH into a shared server with emacsclients and then being able to quickly flip through their buffers so that you can peek over their shoulder or quickly show something?) - gopar: upcoming podcast recording re: EmacsConf experience - figuring out name - planning to have a little buffer - Hey, do you want to blend that into the Emacs Lisp / Emacs tutorial/workshop idea? Whenever you don't have any content, you can teach people a little more - - bhavin192: Mailing list for meetups (some common prefix or something similar). - *let's remember to discuss this and the next point* =) - bhavin192: Update to Code of Conduct (I was hoping to use the same text or page for Emacs APAC meetup) - zaeph: figuring out collaborating via Org Mode - per-project pages make sense if you think about it from the web publishing point of view - bandali: can be a different wiki if you want - zaeph is a little intimidated by the idea of working with the garage door open - there is already a private organizer wiki, so we can use that to incubate things if you want to collaboratively work on notes and stuff - also totally okay to work on things individually and not collectively if you want, and we don't have to figure out workflows that work for everyone or a name that covers everything; sounding official increases expectations and may cause problems - - Next: * January 2, 2021 meeting :PROPERTIES: :CUSTOM_ID: january-2-2020-meeting :END: - Conversations - mplsCorwin: FOSSHost: okay to experiment with being a CDN, will experiment with videos - authenticated RTMP server to support streaming meetups from Jitsi? - PeerTube? - sachac: added more events to [[https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Usergroups]] and the calendar - sachac: subed.el patches for splitting and merging subtitles, will continue editing subtitles - Podcast: - Thinking about name:  - Current: emacs.el podcast - Emacs Weekly? Probably okay, although includes commitment to actually make it weekly - Amin and Gopar's Wild World of Emacs? - ideas for making it visually interesting when there's no video - Suggested guest: Fermin - interesting story about how he got into Emacs and started making it better for PHP - Making these conversations more public: - Maybe start with just putting public meeting minutes somewhere, like the wiki, and then figure out if anyone actually wants to subscribe to it =) - E-mail summary to mailing list? - [[https://emacsconf.org/2020/meetings/]] announced on IRC #emacsconf - With long-form summary at some point? - dto volunteering to help Leo (it turns out dto was also an English major in his past life, and has done a fair bit of copyediting) - mplsCorwin can handle social media - bandali: avoid perfectionism - Lots of people have a hard time with this - getting things out of your head = good - don't let the great be the enemy of the good. Take advantage of the friendly community. - dto: story about local trails committee, which is kind of like this - Look, we can just post a rough outline, whee! =) - bullet-points are fine as a starting point - Segments of recording? Timer in the pad can help.  - Livestream with delay? - Something to grow into, maybe; let's start with text and possibly recording segments - Maybe private part and then public part, with time notes in case there are things we need to remove from the recording, keeping private segment as short as possible - Everyone's cool with this - Discussed: Separate days for private and public meeting? Might take too much time.  - Guidelines for private segments: document reasons if possible - Confidentiality - Buzz factor: vet ideas before unleashing them? preview? - Figuring out the persona/voice/feeling for EmacsConf, for the meeting - Hard to figure out how to communicate both excitement and reserve - Diversity and perspective: we're trying to figure out how this comes across from the outside, without our own knowledge - sachac: We could try to just dump the outline for starters, and can come up with quick automation for transforming the Etherpad =) - Is it because we're trying to figure out the official voice for EmacsConf? Is it easier to talk as individuals? - Sticker giveaway: mplsCorwin - Next week, 3PM UTC Saturday, Leo to send calendar invite and/or e-mail: - Leo will write a summary of what we've been doing and put it in the pad, for e-mailing out? - Braindumps welcome =) - Week after: public meeting/recording