From 8c0b9c4652dbd8d71156309d68996f8b1cb94c8f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sacha Chua Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:35:19 -0500 Subject: add more notes from IRC --- 2022/organizers-notebook/index.org | 11 ++++++ 2022/talks/buddy.md | 31 ++++++++++++++++- 2022/talks/handwritten.md | 20 +++++++++++ 2022/talks/health.md | 10 ++++++ 2022/talks/hyperorg.md | 31 +++++++++++++++++ 2022/talks/journalism.md | 8 ++++- 2022/talks/jupyter.md | 6 ++++ 2022/talks/meetups.md | 10 +++++- 2022/talks/orgsuperlinks.md | 26 +++++++++++++- 2022/talks/orgvm.md | 5 +++ 2022/talks/orgyear.md | 30 ++++++++++++++++ 2022/talks/realestate.md | 21 ++++++++++++ 2022/talks/rolodex.md | 55 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2022/talks/school.md | 21 +++++++++++- 2022/talks/science.md | 21 ++++++++++++ 2022/talks/survey.md | 70 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 16 files changed, 371 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) diff --git a/2022/organizers-notebook/index.org b/2022/organizers-notebook/index.org index ce79190a..905118d1 100644 --- a/2022/organizers-notebook/index.org +++ b/2022/organizers-notebook/index.org @@ -363,6 +363,17 @@ If you're already set up to edit the wiki or you can figure out the slightly com :LOGBOOK: CLOCK: [2022-12-11 Sun 14:14] :END: + +recording timestamp is 2022-12-03T09:41:30.888-08 +bandali user ID is w_uwwpzp4fjtqq +joined 2022-12-03T10:07:06.066-08 +aaaaaah, hmm. recording timestamp seems earlier, that might just be when BBB starts the whole thing. +aha! The raw directory has the whole thing, not just the recorded part, and the recording timestamp is the beginning of the meeting. So let's find out where the actual recording starts. + +Maybe StartWebRTCShareEvent ? +ParticipantStatusChangeEvent might be the webcam start. +Is it DeskShareStartRTMP ? + ** TODO Send thanks :PROPERTIES: :CUSTOM_ID: thanks diff --git a/2022/talks/buddy.md b/2022/talks/buddy.md index 2ba2aa04..30a9e0ce 100644 --- a/2022/talks/buddy.md +++ b/2022/talks/buddy.md @@ -34,6 +34,20 @@ to become a buddy yourself and how the initiative worked out so far! # Discussion +## Notes and feedback + +- I am totally into emacs buddy!! +- noticed the program name in Andrea's Emacs window title? ;-) + - "This Text Editor is just Too Cool :)" in the fram title +- The "Buddy System" has already helped me with Emacs and Gnus. Thank you Andrea! + - oh, you are welcome danisanti :D Hope you keep sending encrypted mails: thanks for the GPG exercise :) +- This buddy system is a great idea, by the way. I could see how this might really benefit people trying to learn more or spread their skills +- I think the usergroups page on the EmacsWiki is fairly well maintained.. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Usergroups + + + +## Questions + - Q: OFF TOPIC and not a question but a remark: hotmail.com is constantly blocking more and more smaller email servers (for valid but also dubious reasons) and many administrators are frustrated @@ -62,7 +76,22 @@ to become a buddy yourself and how the initiative worked out so far! AFAIR IMAP is only for payed plans and for for the free plan. - interesting, thanks! - +- Hi Andrea-- great talk. I hope your idea can scale. Are you looking at other models such as mentorship networks etc. What are your thoughts on real-time collaboration? Also, should this buddy network be a slack or discord channel? Would that help? + - I will just scale it up if necessary pulling more people as facilitators in case +- Hi, just missed the talk, but as a beginner who just enjoys tinkering with emacs, I herewith warn you that I might reach out to you :-) +- Q: would you consider creating a IRC channel for your buddy initiative? + - A: I didn't think about it: how would that be? I was thinking email/calls was more personal ;) + - a permanent IRC is great for me + - email and calls are good too + - for IRC there already is #emacs + - #emacs is a pretty big channel. I can see where having a dedicated channel would make sense. + - something like jitsi might be good if you want that. I think you can protect them w/ code to keep weirdos out? + - email is more personal and it doesn't need to be connected all the time to get an answer + - yeah, async vs. sync communication styles. + - FWIW, to create a channel simply /join #the-channel +- quiliro: I want to be a mentor and also would like to be mentored + - A: just drop me an email and we can get on from there + - dto: hey `none can you pm me your email? i could do some mentoring sessions this year for sure [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/buddy-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/handwritten.md b/2022/talks/handwritten.md index 814ad4d2..57dbdcd1 100644 --- a/2022/talks/handwritten.md +++ b/2022/talks/handwritten.md @@ -53,6 +53,7 @@ This talk will introduce to you a simple system to integrate handwritten notes i () - so if there is no graphical information to be captured, I'm faster typing in Org mode than writing by hand. + - Do you have a blog article about that? I own a BOOX Air myself but I can't think of a viable workflow using it with handwriting + OCR on-device. - \-- another potential OCR solution that is FOSS, but supported only on Windows OS - mathpix seems to support OCR now as well: @@ -68,6 +69,23 @@ This talk will introduce to you a simple system to integrate handwritten notes i - [LiveScribe](https://www.amazon.com/Livescribe-Single-Subject-Notebook-4-pack/dp/B001AALJ1I/ref=asc\_df\_B001AALJ1I/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167151358503&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14286771041209503377&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027973&hvtargid=pla-359920653567&psc=1) +- I always love the way Bala records his talks :D +- i read every word +- Apple notes scanning is working very well these days. +- OneNote is super locked-in these days. +- Thank you Prof! +- Lol @ just type out the damn note XD. It's a good point, but I have over a year of handwritten notes that I haven't bothered typing out ;-) +- I have had some success with tesseract and my handwritten notes +- has anyone training such a OCR system to make it more accurate for your handwriting or additional symbols. +- shh I've been using Google Cloud Vision to get the text out of my sketches =) +- wow what a refined video. really solid editing. this is enjoyable to watch +- would it be better to use OCR or to read the notes and use speech-to-text? +- Does it work well with free software, klavul +- hmh, there seems to be plugin to integrate orgmode with xournalpp ( https://gitlab.com/vherrmann/org-xournalpp ) +- I use capture2text , made a small wrapper +- Would it be possible to make a libre software which could detect handwritten notes as does the Boogie Board and run Emacs on it? + - other: people with short-term requirements and who don't care are using great OCR with cloud-based lock-in services. Therefore, there isn't much incentive to create FOSS. + ## Questions and answers - Q: How do you link the notes together so that you could search @@ -109,6 +127,8 @@ This talk will introduce to you a simple system to integrate handwritten notes i Perhaps handwriting is best for non-Roman script. My mother tongue has a script that is not English. - Q: Do you have any ideas about mindmapping and incorporating those notes into your process? I've used nebo and other tools, but wish I had a better way of extracting key words. - A: I have used mindmapping which is hierarchical, in fact I use something called function maps. Just like org-roam and interacting relationships. All of this I've been drawing on my laptop screen. All of this helps me. I don't digitally convert it. It helps me and is a lot easier. When I need to add to it I can do so. I find that doing it on a device and retaining it without conversion is best. Converting does not help me at all. YOu can select it, with a lasso select. Those things can be done. I like it to be that way. Then I link it into org mode. +- Q: Bala, sorry to join late to the party, you might have answer. Do you train your own OCR? + [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/handwritten-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/health.md b/2022/talks/health.md index a82dc762..4e63fcc1 100644 --- a/2022/talks/health.md +++ b/2022/talks/health.md @@ -35,6 +35,16 @@ A reusable org template will be provided at: - I agree that just tracking is a great thing. I heard of some people starting to lose weight, just because they started recording it daily. - just Thank you very much +- I like this demo of plotting use +- Damn, this template looks awesome, nice work +- (incf eieio-reputation) +- huh, I could probably use that thing that shows a line for other sexps at the same level... + - Yeah, that looks super handy! + - A: yeah it's cool. i think it's called indent-guide +- very good talk!!! +- emacs is like willy wonkas candy factory +- thanks for the talk; was thinking that you could use a mobile app like BeOrg and cloud file sync to help automate your data entry + - hmm i haven't heard of BeOrg i'll have to look it up! ## Questions and answers diff --git a/2022/talks/hyperorg.md b/2022/talks/hyperorg.md index c0a1ecaa..80beb6ec 100644 --- a/2022/talks/hyperorg.md +++ b/2022/talks/hyperorg.md @@ -117,6 +117,37 @@ h. Hyperbole Expands Org Mode to an Emacs-wide Persistant Hyperbutton-Action Cap inevitably the point of Hyperbole links?) - A: +## Other discussions from IRC + +- I like the use of the term "cognitive overhead" +- I really need to spend more time digging into Hyperbole. So far I only use it to open urls in the browser :D +- These hyperbole talks are making me want to try +- We know how it works and update the internals all the time, though there certainly is a lot of behavior/capability. +- The issue I've got is that plain org-mode can deal with probably 50% of the use-cases of Hyperbole and the other 50% are not that important to me (yet). ... +- Interesting idea: "Hyperbole golf" - somebody suggest something that should be accomplished. I'm doing it with my Org mode setup and the other person does it with Hyperbole. I'm sure that Hyperbole may be more elegant but so far, I didn't see anything that I can't do with my setup as well. +- I would love to see a table comparing how to do things with Org and with Hyperbole +- with examples +- <+publicvoit> along with eev, zk, org brain. There are a lot of these type of packages +- no problem. However, some things are non-standard org mode because they depend on my personal setup such as file links which I do use without path. +- Notice how there is so little to Hyperbole buttons embedded in the buffer, so it doesn't break your flow when reading the text, e.g. if you just open the file without a structured viewer. +- would it be easy to add a section to the table saying "to run these examples in Org you need to run this first?" +- I understand eev even less than hyperbole somehow, so having a matrix of the 3 would do wonders for me. +- i suppose another aspect to consider with hyperbole is that it can work outside org mode as well? +- assist key == escape key +- btw, people can download a .zip with all the videos by Rainer Koening from here: http://angg.twu.net/eev-wconfig.html#learn-org +- That grid popup is really cool +- Gosh it's time to check out hyperbole. +- there's sooo much I want to check after this conference +- There is not enough time for all of these +- Action Key = {M-RET}; Assist Key = {C-u M-RET} though you can bind them as you like. +- for action key and action key assist a good idea would be use a mouse that has extra buttons for those +- hyperorg is a separate mode from hyperbole? +- I just installed hyperbole and I think it just works. +- Awesome demo, thanks! +- Thanks rswgnu! Great exposition, I'm much further along on my way towards Hyperbole enlightenment that's for sure. +- Awesome talk, definitely planning to try out Hyperbole +- How is the integration with org-roam? +- Intense but too much information for just a Hyperbole newbie [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/hyperorg-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/journalism.md b/2022/talks/journalism.md index 2d6e22a4..79ac2c44 100644 --- a/2022/talks/journalism.md +++ b/2022/talks/journalism.md @@ -192,7 +192,13 @@ So let's keep modding our configs! - A: Taking notes with org-roam and linking them to BiBTeX etc - Q: When you get stuck with an emacs problem-- is there somewhere you go to get help (nice place for non-tech people?) -- is it possible to use emacs bookmarks capability to literally bookmark a specific timestamp in a video clip (and by that the note taking could be done in that bookmark instance)… ? +- Q: is it possible to use emacs bookmarks capability to literally bookmark a specific timestamp in a video clip (and by that the note taking could be done in that bookmark instance)… ? +- Q: is Alfred australian? + - I suspect he's Swiss +- Thanks, I'll check that out. The writers and editors that I'm working with are frequestly looking for ways to handle change tracking and version tracking for docs. I recommend stuff like git but they need something that's easier for non-techie folks to use. +- I did not know about org-mpv +- There isn't a proper org-mpv, but there are a few functions to combine mpv.el with org-mode here: https://github.com/kljohann/mpv.el/wiki +- Alfred is a very quick learner [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/journalism-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/jupyter.md b/2022/talks/jupyter.md index 62aef556..9260d7f4 100644 --- a/2022/talks/jupyter.md +++ b/2022/talks/jupyter.md @@ -52,6 +52,12 @@ I will provide links to collections of snippets I found handy daily usage of 750 - Slides to 50-minute talk in July about using GhostText with Emacs and other editors. Includes slides for friends that use Vim. +- Great talk, thank you! +- Btw, great talk Blaine! +- I've got ghosttext and emacs via atomicchrome working now: very easy and very useful! Thank you. +- Nice job Blaine! +- Thank you! +- Pretty inspring! ## Questions and answers diff --git a/2022/talks/meetups.md b/2022/talks/meetups.md index fdef728b..38c6f3b4 100644 --- a/2022/talks/meetups.md +++ b/2022/talks/meetups.md @@ -53,6 +53,9 @@ Outline: - pronounced "huge" - Thank you so much. Good talk. - Thank you for promoting and informing about meetups. I think I am gonna look for one. +- yay, quiliro's spanish subs now display in https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/meetups/ +- I have found that we needed at least 2 hours before any event and 2 hours after, besides the proparations. You said that it takes 1 hour to organize. +- Also, bhavin192 - thanks for the shout-out for M-x Research. I'm the organiser :D ## Questions and answers @@ -63,7 +66,12 @@ Outline: - Q: Any thoughts on hybrid meetups (physical wher most peopel are plus stream it online)? - A: - +- Q: bhavin192 - I'm interested! Should we start by having an irc/matrix channel to discuss? + - IRC or Matrix for all the organizers. Hmm, sounds good as well. How about reusing #emacsconf? It is pretty much free during rest of the year. +- How do you automate? +- What is ILUGC ? +- could you share your slides? there were a few links and emails I couldn't get + - slides: https://gitlab.com/bhavin192/talks/-/blob/master/2022/emacsconf-2022/meetups.org [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/meetups-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/orgsuperlinks.md b/2022/talks/orgsuperlinks.md index 3f15f1ff..ba94f71d 100644 --- a/2022/talks/orgsuperlinks.md +++ b/2022/talks/orgsuperlinks.md @@ -163,7 +163,31 @@ More on bi-directional links and Karl's Org mode projects: - In short: I'm using the arrow keys but they are not where you'd assume they are. ;-) - +- Q: link to thesis please +- Q: any way to do links by heading hierarchy? +- Q: so the LINKS drawers holds so-called "backlinks"? + - A: yes. You can customize the drawer name. +- does this configuration you use need packages outside elpa? + - A: my setup Elisp could be improved to great extend. + - A: + - A: + +### Other discussions from IRC + +- Wow, this looks super organized +- i have to admire embedding that much info into tasks (ie: blocked, next, etc), i never get that far. my headings are much more lightweight, i'd likely use a plain list if i could fold over the text below +- Is there a specialized package for showing backlinks (org-mode) in a buffer, say based on IDs, in a normal occur buffer or even a grep/rg style thing? +- i really like that both publicvoit's org-superlinks and hyperbole are both elisp and inside emacs, where org-roam is a hodgepodge of external tools (my impression) + - isn't sqlite the only external dependency for org-roam though? +- Speaker: Actually, to create the demo fully self-contained was most of the effort with this demo. By far. +- Fashion: + - *that* is a dapper looking fellow! + - Really loved the ending publicvoit + - haha the goodbye was epic + - I am way underdressed for this conference it appears + - oh! I backed up and see the shorts that publicvoit was wearing! + - A fashion leder if you will + - I was here for the fashion. Not dissapointed. [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/orgsuperlinks-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/orgvm.md b/2022/talks/orgvm.md index b1c60d35..b4f3c72c 100644 --- a/2022/talks/orgvm.md +++ b/2022/talks/orgvm.md @@ -32,6 +32,11 @@ generation of elisp from javascript/JSON. - Q: Is this using org-info-js?Β  - A: nope; I need to learn more about this - seems very exciting and like it could influence this project +- Q: Why did you make yet another web server? + - I read it was to make your org files portable. + - He's auto-generating .html files to match his org files in the background so that he can browse them via web browser right? +- Q: How is that portable. You still need a web browser. Org files need the very basic..... cat +- Q: Have you heard about https://codeberg.org/gopiandcode/emacs-viewer, by any chance? [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/orgvm-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/orgyear.md b/2022/talks/orgyear.md index 2585c6df..010445a1 100644 --- a/2022/talks/orgyear.md +++ b/2022/talks/orgyear.md @@ -90,6 +90,36 @@ the corner. doesn't really affect performance). - Q: Do you use linux or mac system? What kinds if not a secret?Q - Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed specifically +- Q: I wonder why the export to HTML has not been modernized. Any particular reason? + - A: It's going to take a whole lot of time an effort. I take that as being more flexible and better able to suit "modern HTML/CSS" usage. Incidentally, the HTML and Markdown backends are two things I'd like to have a look at next year (if I end up having the time). +- Q: haven't looked at citation support at all yet, any great intro articles out there? + - I may be (am) biased, but try https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html πŸ™‚ + - More discussion about citations: + - and I have found the citar package a really pleasant addition with support for org-style citations + - Citar is great, IMO + - Citar is indeed great. I have been meaning to switch to Citar from ivy-bibtex, but honestly I am just being lazy + - I am not sure as I haven't used ivy-bibtex. I am half-way migrating away from org-ref but will likely keep that around for a while longer (mostly for old links and its doi-utils import functions) + - I found citar really easy to set up and get started with. Very clear and clean entry points +- Org mode outside of Emacs: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool-Support.org + - A: Also https://orgmode.org/tools.html πŸ™‚ +- your visuals have always been charachteristic, where did you learn that? in the sense that I can reasonably guess you made something when I see the result. I was also thinking about your config or the survey website, or are they inspired by that theme? + - A: I think that's just "themed Beamer metropolis". I do also naturally go to light themed content with a pale yellow-y background. +- Q: "Org", "Org-mode", "org-mode", "Org/Org-mode"? Which one for the format/notation and which one for the software proper, and then the whole thing (with org-contrib and third-party packages) vs just the repo and major mode per se? + - A: "Org mode" for the project, "org-mode" for the major mode, "Org" for the format +- Q: Thank you :) Any plans to use tree-sitter with org? How would it relate to org-element? But if I remember correctly org syntax can not be fully expressed as tree-sitter grammer... So maybe tree-sitter is not for org? + - i don't grasp the recent infatuation with external parsers. + - A: They're happening, and syntax divergence is bad. and if they are used to make neat things, it's nice if we can make use of them too + +## Other discussions from IRC + +- yeah org-modern ? +- lots of progress on the syntax doc, i just checked it out on worg +- engraved-faces is excellent. +- Again, an excellent talk. +- Both talks were great! Thanks +- good pace, slides, and clearly delivered +- "aspirational rather than descriptive" -- I will remember this for future use :D +- thanks tecosaur for the very nice overview and reminder of all the recent changes in org! [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/orgyear-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/realestate.md b/2022/talks/realestate.md index bc2a31e2..d3dbbdab 100644 --- a/2022/talks/realestate.md +++ b/2022/talks/realestate.md @@ -33,6 +33,26 @@ Essentially bits and pieces from this section of the manual: ## Notes - +- Really liking the idea of the talk so far, but I would suggest zooming in on the text more next time +- Damn, org tables have so many more features than the ones I use already +- tables in org are highly underused. all the functionality of spreadsheet calculators with the power of elisp at your fingertips! +- this talk is awesome +- and org-mode has plenty of hidden power... +- and the power of Emacs Calc, to boot. Including handling units like kW, m, Pa, ... +- +1 for the awesomeness +- I've always been slightly apprehensive of going full spreadsheet with org tables but the features are very cool. +- I actually learned a lot from this talk. Thanks @gopar. +- great talk, thank you very much! +- excellent presentation, thanks! +- loved the presentation +- just downloaded a .webm of the talk. looks great on my screen (1280x720) +- Thanks for the Org mode Table tips +- was a fun, straight forward how to. very useful. +- I don't have any questions now, but I'm going to try to learn many things that you demonstrated! +- I hadn't seen the formula debugger before. Very useful information. +- org tables are so powerful +- moving around cols + rows - is also way faster than what one can do in GUI spreadsheet apps +- oh! great, thanks for sharing! ## Questions and answers @@ -61,6 +81,7 @@ Essentially bits and pieces from this section of the manual: checking w/ the org docs since I can be misremembering things :) - Update: Looks like it is possible -> +- where is the org file for thase calculations? [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/realestate-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/rolodex.md b/2022/talks/rolodex.md index 3cda82fa..1d8d1e6a 100644 --- a/2022/talks/rolodex.md +++ b/2022/talks/rolodex.md @@ -234,6 +234,61 @@ but can also trigger Emacs to execute code as well. button that triggers an ordinary "isearch"-like command the same way you would execute other Emacs commands. +- Q: if I may ask, why Hyperbole/HyRolo over Org-Roam? (I don't use either, just curious) + - rswgnu: HyRolo and Hyperbole require no other software beyond code builtin to Emacs. For example, when I first built Org-Roam, it did not work properly for me and I had to modify the build process to get it set up. With Hyperbole, you install one package and you can start working. + - A: @lounge-060 I found Hyperbole to be a more light-weight option over Org-Roam. +- Q: did i misunderstand, that each time he's hitting a button he's going to a temporary buffer which is a search result? + - A: yes, the button executes a search, so the cursor jumps to the search result buffer, but you can jump to other links within the same search result buffer. + - interesting, but i asked if a link can go directly to the source file, not a search buffer. i'm thinking like org's follow link, which isn't always accurate as i'd like. + - A: yes, you could do that. the Hyperbole link syntax does not have to execute a search, you can link directly to a file. +- Q: can the hyperlink goto the ORG file buffer at a specific location? +- Q: Thanks for the links. Can you recommend resources for incremental peg too? +- Q: wonder how that compares to plain org-mode, with links and in particular "elisp" links to built-in org-agenda functions, or org-ql (any of alphapapa's packages really)? + - One relevant distinction is that Hyperbole provides "alternative" action for a link. You may not just follow it, but do other things. Org mode does not have that + - custom link types are quite extensible though, and with the "elisp" type it's possible to call into many things without such customization. I'll have to try Hyperbole though. + - hyperbole looks like it can use code, has some assumption of data types, etc + - A: Yeah, hyperbole is a very general solution for establishing connections between various pieces of information. Hyperbole is a global minor mode so it works everywhere. +- Q: Why do you have only one file? + - A: it is just easier for me to keep all the realted information in a single file. I could split it into several files in a directory, but I don't see any benefit to doing that. You can point the search function to the directory, and it will search all of the files there. + - i honestly find the idea of tons of little files to be a problem. why not have many headings in a file by primary category + - HyRolo does use single files for its databases. Ramin is just migrating from keeping a separate Org file per note. +- Q: One thing that stopped me from using Hyperbole is that is does not load for me :( Reporting bug is still in my todo list + - A: curious. If you load, can you run M-x action-key and get it to work? If so, it probably works but is blocked by your key bindings. +- another obvious issue I faced is M-RET is already used by Org extensively + - I had to compromise on marks by setting leader keybinding C-SPC C-SPC to hyperbole action instead + - Q: rswgnu perhaps already asked before, but M-RET (default hyperbole action key) conflicts with org-mode use. For now I've resorted to using C-SPC C-SPC (with leader package) but is there another better alternative generally preferred? Perhaps one that does not conflict with a major feature like marks? +- Q: what would you recommend with emphasis on "beginner level" when starting with org-mode and planning to create the "2nd brain" approach: org-roam or hyberbole? +- Q: if you have a blog somewhere, I'll be very interested to read more. Your style of explaining and demo-ing things is quite nice + - A: My blog is https://tilde.town/~ramin_hal9001 +- Q: what advantage do you see in using hyperbole? + - A: The big advantage for me is the "explicit links" feature, it lets me create a database of links that work universally. For example, you can change the link in the flat file database, and it updates in all of your files. If you and I shared a Hyperbole link file, I could write a link `<(like this)>` right here in the chat buffer and you could use it from within the Emacs chat client ERC. + +## Other discussions from IRC + +- Feedback + - I like this method of the talk slides being kinda transparent so you can see the speaker behind them. + - This looks very interesting tbf + - Its cool to see how many different note taking packages there are in Emacs + - Very nice talk-- and very understandable for me as a beginner who had never heard of hyperbole and did not understand the use-case. I also have not heard or read of a Zettelkasten, so this was even more useful. + - This talk has already given enough ideas on making some stuff dynamic + - There is a very good chance I'll keep coming back to this talk and its transcript over the next year, just to see how I can improve my presonal workflow more by integrating Hyperbole. Right now, I just use hyperbole to more conveniently (and more importantly, with same keybinding everywhere) open links across Emacs. + - Great talk Rami +n, thank you! +- Hyperbole + - Nice-- I needed this talk yesterday having not been familiar with hyperbole and use cases. + - i've been waiting to see a hyperbole use case, so i'm watching =] + - (Hopefully I can finally grok what this Hyperbole thing is about and how it contrasts with Org/Org-mode and such) + - sounds very vanilla...which I like + - Hyperbole sounds like something I definitely should get into, but I havent looked into it + - finally something that helped me grok hyperbole ;] + - Seeing an application thereof, as opposed to an exposition of its capabilities in the abstract (though quite interesting too, thanks rswgnu!), has given me a slightly better understanding, thanks! + - hyperbole has been something i've struggled to understand from the docs and examples. i think i've finally started to get that it's a text hyperlink with potential code embedded. + - ty for the explaination, like i said, this has helped me refine my impression of hyperbole further. + - I'm quite looking forward to more integration between org and hyperbole + - Thanks ramin_hal9001, I'm further on my way to enlightenment about Hyperbole that I was that's for sure! + - Watching Hyperbole videos like this, not understanding it completely: to me, Hyperbole doesn't have much advantage if you're happy with (bi-directional) Org mode links (as demoed in 15min). However, I do think that Hyperbole does have many advantages when you're starting to embrace the idea of "dynamic links" of all sorts. So far, I did not get creative enough to start with Hyperbole for that + - rswgnu : If I may ask, I keep looking for either uses cases or capabilities that Hyperbole could bring to bear beyond what I'm doing with Org/Org-mode (taking in account that its has custom link types and elisp links and such), are there some that would come to mind? I've watched most videos and skimmed the documentation a few times, but I'm still not reaching the aha moment, yet, but I feel one use case could change that. + - It could be interesting to use Hyperbole to auto-detect various links in Emails by matching common text patterns [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/rolodex-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/school.md b/2022/talks/school.md index f86ea146..eaf34d95 100644 --- a/2022/talks/school.md +++ b/2022/talks/school.md @@ -49,7 +49,7 @@ Outline: with others. - Q: quiliro: is there a demo for lector? - A: quiliro See -- Q: velocitatem: are you openning the pdf inside emacs? +- Q: velocitatem: are you opening the pdf inside emacs? - A: The PDF was being open in firefox. - Q:Have you tried org-noter for taking notes on pdfs? - A:I have not, will make sure to check it out tho! @@ -74,6 +74,25 @@ Outline: - Q: Is there a way of making latex rendering go in the background? Also to lower itsΒ  - A:Β  +- Q: did you open that firefox from inside EXWM or is it a separate frame? + - Its bspwm +- Q: "With lectorg you can easily capture the every detail without your attention wavering a single bit." What makes Lecter not waver your attention? + - Not 100% but the package makes it easier for me to deal with other things while taking notes + - It makes some actions more automated and quicker + - You can see some of the functions and snippets improving my speed when opening certain files or creating markup for my notes +- how does the remarkable import works? can it be used with other tablets? + - Speaker: I am really not sure, but im sure it could be. Since reMarkable has a very proprietary cloud, the integration is a bit of a hack +- how does the function graphing work? + - Insert new latex function with graph using `lectorg/insert-new-function` + - Generate graph for existing latex function with `lectorg/generate-graph-for-function` +- I do read using nov.el and I use bookmarks. Is there a way to link the ePUB to your org documents? +- how long have you been using Emacs? Did you find that you could take notes productively right away or did it take you a while before you reached the point where you could follow e.g. a lecture sufficiently quickly? + - Iv been using Emacs for about a year now. It definitely took me a while to become more productive +- nov.el adds nov: link type +- How you considered using something like https://mathpix.com/blog/image-to-latex-converter to speed up your workflow entering Maths equations, I wonder if an streamlined integration exists for that in Emacs already πŸ€” +- I also have a remarkable, and would love to learn more about how other people integrate their hand-drawn notes into their org-mode notes :) +- thanks velocitatem! I am considering whether to recommend it to my students; I have been using Emacs a long time and it is easy to forget how long it took to get into it ;) +- yeah, same. Both handwritten notes and Treesitter are super interesting to me :) [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/school-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/science.md b/2022/talks/science.md index ab7593b5..b3fc4be9 100644 --- a/2022/talks/science.md +++ b/2022/talks/science.md @@ -65,6 +65,26 @@ I have watched EmacsConf for the last two years and I was interested in particip ;-) Spam me! - link to Leo's talk from last year: +- Great talk, but I wish images in org mode would scroll smoother. It's a deal breaker for me. Does anybody know of a package that allows that? + - not sure but iirc emacs 29 has pixel-perfect mouse wheel scrolling instead for line-wise scrolling -- maybe that solves that? + - try M-x pixel-scroll-mode +- have you looked into org-ref and specifically doi-utils? It adds a command that will download a bibtex entry for a given DOI. It even downloads the article (if possible) or to attach at pdf to it. +- oh cool. what is the name of this package that scrolls an article? "org noter" "noder"? + - org-noter + - doctorhoo: I am using it quite intensively. The download does not work so often thanks to the journals making it difficult (I guess), but it is easy enough to add a manully downloaded one. The download of the bibtex (and assignment of a sensible key) on the other hand works very reliably. +- This is a great demo. Thank you! +- What is doing the org-mode presentation? + - its org-tree-slide-mode +- That was excellent. Thanks very much! +- wow that was really nice. thank you +- thanks vidianos +- oooh, dired icons +- Great presentation and a nice Q&A session +- For my part, I like seeing talks on zettelkasten ! +- zettelkasten is exciting but I ended up doing something much simpler +- thank you again for a great presentation. very inspiring. + +- From the speaker: I saw a lot of kind words while scrolling here to see if there are any questions. Thanks a lot everyone! Happy to be part of this conference ## Questions and answers @@ -137,6 +157,7 @@ I have watched EmacsConf for the last two years and I was interested in particip a Zettelkasten is something that helps you here, producing better code and remembering previous patterns/tricks/sources/... +- Q: will your zetteldesktop.el be available in elpa? [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/science-after)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2022/talks/survey.md b/2022/talks/survey.md index 8dcaa627..4e1238bf 100644 --- a/2022/talks/survey.md +++ b/2022/talks/survey.md @@ -32,8 +32,73 @@ Outline: among younger people) - the plots are using Makie, a Julia plotting library +## From IRC + +- Magit + - magit is more popular than org mode :-O + - Magit was more popular in 2020 too, however the gap has narrowed in the 2022 results πŸ˜€ + - magit is a miracle + - I've read about people who use Emacs for magit ONLY! + - magit deserves every heart given + - I love magit and I am not even a developer so I can only imagine how amazing it is for people who use it for actual work + - Especially since for programmers, which is a large chunk of emacs users, version control is probably more important than org I would assume + - ieure, i see why people might think that, but svn is non negotiable at work. my question was: does magit do anything useful for all merging VCS that could be included in VC? + - The difference between terminal git and magit is huge for me, even as someone who doesnt use it every day + - If your repos are mostly standard source and not dependent on huge binary assets or anything, you're missing out on better VCS first and foremost + - but judging by the way users extol magit, it must do something better than vc that can be applied to all merging version control systems (non locking ones). if someone can tell me what it is and i find it useful, i might add it to vc + - I use both VC and Magit actively and I've found it's mostly about the enhanced interactivity with Git. It's very visual and also allows you to pretty much interactively set/unset flags to various Git commands as you would on the terminal but much faster all thanks to transient.el. + - +1 for transient being a big part of why people find magit easier to use. +- New versions + - We have to be careful about selection bias when it comes to versions used. + - my worry is that people on older versions are less up to date with what is going on and might not hear about the survey :/ + - the way i see it packages don't really have to officially support versions of emacs older than the latest release + - unless they're big and see frequent updates for new platforms + - i.e. TRAMP + - otherwise users of older versions will just backport those packages themselves + +## Feedback + +- Survey framework + - oh yeah, the new framework was super pleasant to use, am a fan + - Liked how there was a way the responses were saved (locally?), and there was a possibility to resume answering later! + - from a user's perspective, the UX was amazing including download-options for my own answers. Impressive. + - I loved this year's platform too! so another +1 here +- found the pie charts a little hard to follow, e.g. what color related to that package etc. Maybe add more labeling to the chart itself? + - on that topic, some of the colors were also very close (eg. Haskell and Java in the language graph) +- I'd suggest that bar charts with more than 5 colors be labeled at the bar versus in the margin. (Also take mercy on the color blind) + - i'd suggest using a different tiled pattern for each bar instead of colors. That makes them easier to follow, especially for the color blind, or for people who cannot see colors well at night (me) + - Speaker: Hopefully this isn't too bad for the colour blind, I chose Paul Tol's colour schemes for that reason (among others) +- i took part in that survey! *proud of accomplishment* +- First, a general BIG THANK YOU for your survey! +- nice, thanks for working on all of this +- this is an amazing talk. +- org mode huge, always forget how much of that pie it brings in +- nice pie chart :) +- lobste.rs getting bigger lately? +- i am going to be interested in how the results differ when you factor out /r/emacs +- the graphics are gorgeous +- hence while I sprinkle in phrases like "within this more engaged subset of users ..." πŸ˜‰ +- Hmmm, I didn't think about using Emacs as my chat / email client as counting as writing prose in Emacs. But it does. +- (and the same with Org πŸ˜›) +- magit applies to many mode, there is only one org-mode ;] +- I don't think I can stop using magit +- man who are these people filling the survey in less than 10 min? +- Excellent talk! Thank you. +- thanks for the talk btw, it was very interesting +- Very informative. Nicely done! +- Excellent work, looking forward to further analysis +- Very nice presentation! +- Thanks Timothy, great talk! +- Thanks, great talk! *clapclapclap* +- Great presentation +- next year, I will join survey +- Great talk and thanks for all this nice work!! +- my compliments for your great analysis of the survey's data + ## Questions and answers +- Q: will there be another survey next year as well? + - That's the plan, and the year after, etc. - Q: Do Emacs developers take into account the survey results? I mean, they are volunteers working on what they find useful/interesting for them, which is of course great. @@ -41,6 +106,8 @@ Outline: maintainers to do anything in response to the survey results, but hopefully the results will be able to inform development choices they make. +- Q: are you planning to have the software used beyond Emacs surveys? + - A: It could well be, it's written as a general survey platform - Q: Is the survey software available in source code via Gitlab/Github/...? What's the license? - A: Yep, it's GPL-3, and the source is availible at @@ -81,6 +148,9 @@ Outline: works? - A: (replied above, IIUC) it's GPL-3 and the source is available at +- Q: what did you use to draw the diagram in p.7? + - Inkscape +- Q: you might go into this in a second, but are there any specific questions you are looking to go into when you find the time? [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/survey-after)" raw="yes"]] -- cgit v1.2.3