From b559b8ade1059de4d684299717a688f63105f07c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Leo Vivier Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 15:38:39 +0100 Subject: Add BBB logs --- 2021/talks/teach.md | 11 +++++++++++ 2021/talks/tech.md | 15 +++++++++++++-- 2021/talks/ui.md | 36 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 3 files changed, 60 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/2021/talks/teach.md b/2021/talks/teach.md index 210735dd..506cf96e 100644 --- a/2021/talks/teach.md +++ b/2021/talks/teach.md @@ -33,12 +33,23 @@ org-mode for this purpose. # Discussion +IRC: - how do you keep the discipline of working on your notes? that's probably my biggest problem - I like "Try that with PowerPoint!" as a new org-babel slogan - we just need krita and inkscape modes - i remember doing similar in Smalltalk using a presentation tool with in it but with a full on graphical display of the Smalltalk environment not just text based. - I liked the trick with annotating the code in xournal -- what is the elisp glue for that? Do you have a package for that? +BBB: +- Can you talk about how the students re0act to this org-mode approach? +- What level are your students typically? what is the subject matter? +- Why GitHub? GitHub is nonfree. + - Perhaps because gitlab is also there and that there is achoice? + - GitHub requires reCAPTCHA to signup and similar things that are free exist (various GitLab and Gitea servers, Savannah, sourcehut). + - GitLab.com is just as bad (and unlike GitHub, you can't sign in without nonfree JS), but GitLab CE is fine. +- Do you think org-mode+git could be used for students' assignments? + + # Outline 20 minutes: diff --git a/2021/talks/tech.md b/2021/talks/tech.md index d9a3e8a1..6a26281c 100644 --- a/2021/talks/tech.md +++ b/2021/talks/tech.md @@ -26,8 +26,19 @@ org-treeslide to write and present technical documentation with style. # Discussion -IRC nick: jan-ypma - +BBB: +- Have you encountered any push-back from people requesting the documentation who are of the opinion that only a Word document will do? + - Jan: Not really, I tend to deliver the PDFs only. If more is needed, I expect I'd make a docker container with emacs in it, so people can export the org-file to PDF themselves. + - The main problem I have is that effectively they end up branching it in order to use Word's change tracking, and there is no reverse path. + - Jan: That sounds more like a team thing. Most people I interact with are developers, and are OK reading/interpreting change tracking as a git diff, e.g. on github or azure devops. + - OK, thanks. I think that is the root of my problem I just thought I would ask in-case you had encountered the same. Thank you for the talk. + - Jan: I think in your case I'd either introduce them to a nice web-based git interface (org-mode looks fine usually), so they see it can do similar things as word change tracking. + - Jan: Thanks for your feedback :) feel free to reach out if you want to chat more. + - Unfortunately in this case they refuse to use anything that isn't a WYSIWYG interface. So even a Markdown editor in a split screen with a preview window is not accepted. + - Thanks! + - Jan: Hold their hands, be kind, small baby steps :) + +IRC: (nick: jan-ypma) - I use restclient everyday, but never thought about using it from code blocks, duh! Very interesting talk! - This is a good demo, I've found org-babel to be a really amazing glue language for stuff that's sort of annoying to automate otherwise. - Thanks! :) So the fonts of the current talk are: Fixed pitch (serif): New Heterodox Mono, Variable pitch (serif): ETBembo diff --git a/2021/talks/ui.md b/2021/talks/ui.md index 1bf3c854..40d69b68 100644 --- a/2021/talks/ui.md +++ b/2021/talks/ui.md @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ by implementing some basic UI's. # Discussion +IRC: - I'm trying the run your demos of tui... it seems that (add-to-list 'load-path "~/usrc/tui.el/") is not enough, I have to either add the subdirectories by hand or to run a standard function - whose name I don't know - to add the subdirs... - hey, I'm trying to run your demos of tui... I had to add the subdirectories to the load-path manually to make (require 'tui-tic-tac-toe) work. my notes are here: https://0x0.st/-7dV.txt - tui.el is very exciting, should open up a new era of more advanced UI in Emacs @@ -40,6 +41,41 @@ by implementing some basic UI's. - I think anything you can show in a buffer should work with this, so images, text, whatever. - tui.el is just too cool: I am going to try it for sure :D +BBB: +- like in dogears.el readme +- So I'm really interested in potentially using tui for Ement.el +- there are 2 or 3 ways I could imagine using it... +- 1. For the room buffers, showing events in the chat rooms. That sometimes has thousands of events, so that's why I asked about performance for that case. +- It seems like it could be very helpful for re-rendering some events when their content changes, e.g. when messages are edited, when coalescing adjacent join/leave events... +- That sounds interesting. I don't know anything about React +- EWOC does work for that to some extent, but I've been unable to get nested EWOCs to work correctly so far, so TUI is an interesting alternative +- yes IIRC +- yeah, EWOC uses markers too AFAIK, and it seems to perform well enough even with 2000-3000 events in a buffer +- oh yeah, your grid idea +- that would be SO useful +- yes, sorting and filtering, temporarily hiding elements! +- that would be SO useful +- like "show all messages from this user or mentioning that user in this room" +- and then press a key and all the others are shown again +- ahh, I need that! :) +- expanding larger images from thumbnails, captions for files, etc +- like Element.io but in Emacs with TUI, that would be great +- that's the official Matrix Web client +- I think it uses React +- but I'm not sure +- Sounds great! well thanks for the presentation, I really look forward to TUI's progress! maybe someday I can help with it, in the distant future... I have too many Emacs projects already :) +- hmm, a TUI library for taxy.el... more ideas! +- TUI would be like a natural frontend for taxy.el as a backend +- that would be fun :) +- are you on Matrix by any chance? +- maybe someday, need to get more people "jacked in" :) +- I'm bad with email, but when I have time to check out TUI in more detail, I look forward to it! + +Feedback +- I like the bird mascot on the repo readme :) +- FYI if you would want it to show at the side of the readme, you can see the Org markup I use to accomplish that in some of my readmes + + # Outline - 5-10 minutes: -- cgit v1.2.3