From ff518d86cf4eabbcb1603596d836ce28cee7367b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sacha Chua Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2025 21:23:56 -0500 Subject: updates --- 2025/info/reference-after.md | 350 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 350 insertions(+) (limited to '2025/info/reference-after.md') diff --git a/2025/info/reference-after.md b/2025/info/reference-after.md index 00456b05..3221b34e 100644 --- a/2025/info/reference-after.md +++ b/2025/info/reference-after.md @@ -352,6 +352,356 @@ [[!template text="""that I have done in Ebib for everything to work.""" start="00:20:06.280" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you again and have a wonderful EmacsConf!""" start="00:20:10.920" video="mainVideo-reference" id="subtitle"]] +

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[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Have you try ivy-bibtex/bibtex-completion.el, how it compares to ebib?""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So the first question,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have you tried ivy-bibtex or bibtex-completion earlier""" start="00:00:01.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how it compares to eBib?""" start="00:00:05.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, I would say that I use both.""" start="00:00:06.525" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think there is very much a comparison""" start="00:00:09.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because for me, they're achieving different goals.""" start="00:00:14.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When I want to just very quickly find the paper""" start="00:00:18.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the entirety of the literature,""" start="00:00:24.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just go here and open ivy-bibtex and see it.""" start="00:00:28.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bibtex now needs to parse my bib files,""" start="00:00:34.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it may take a second.""" start="00:00:36.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so if I want to just search, I'll do this.""" start="00:00:38.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I want a bigger view, then I can open eBib,""" start="00:00:41.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I don't use eBib so much as a tool""" start="00:00:46.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find just one literature. I use it for other purposes.""" start="00:00:49.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think they're not really mutually exclusive,""" start="00:00:54.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you can use both.""" start="00:00:58.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they don't think that the features that one provides""" start="00:01:00.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are something that the other also provides.""" start="00:01:04.642" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They're different kind of goals for me.""" start="00:01:08.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, for the answers, is it OK""" start="00:01:13.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I don't write anything down and I can just write them""" start="00:01:15.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""After, when I have time, and I'll just talk.""" start="00:01:20.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, that's OK. We'll transcribe all the answers later.""" start="00:01:23.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can just go ahead and talk.""" start="00:01:27.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Do you find showing abstract on your navigation panel helpful?""" start="00:01:32.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And do you find showing abstract""" start="00:01:32.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on your navigation panel helpful?""" start="00:01:34.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I always delete the abstract info,""" start="00:01:36.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my bib files make things more concise.""" start="00:01:38.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for me, I think it is helpful to see the abstract.""" start="00:01:40.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that if you're in a regular screen,""" start="00:01:44.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have the space to have that.""" start="00:01:50.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And yeah, for example, if I go again here,""" start="00:01:52.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's kind of indeed a bit more,""" start="00:01:57.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a bit longer than it can be.""" start="00:02:00.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And also you find a bigger abstract somewhere.""" start="00:02:01.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It may be more space,""" start="00:02:09.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but like, for example, this, yeah, this is a big abstract.""" start="00:02:10.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for example, yeah, this takes a bit more space,""" start="00:02:16.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I find it easy because the only case""" start="00:02:19.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where I'm actually looking at this panel""" start="00:02:23.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and trying to see things is when I'm going to be either,""" start="00:02:25.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is when I'm going to be trying to find something""" start="00:02:30.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I don't remember the title to search immediately.""" start="00:02:33.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you don't remember the title""" start="00:02:37.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're trying to search,""" start="00:02:38.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the abstract will be a way""" start="00:02:39.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that helps you search better maybe.""" start="00:02:43.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and also the other thing they use""" start="00:02:49.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is also the small little descriptions""" start="00:02:51.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I add in the note entries to help me""" start="00:02:54.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think that the abstract is nice to be there""" start="00:02:59.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in case you don't remember""" start="00:03:03.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to find something from the title""" start="00:03:05.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or from your notes""" start="00:03:07.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and just need something more general.""" start="00:03:08.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yes it can be large and not always convenient,""" start="00:03:10.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I generally like it being there""" start="00:03:16.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in case I need it for anything. Then the next question.""" start="00:03:20.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, if any question is not fully answered by what I'm saying,""" start="00:03:29.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to add more to your question""" start="00:03:34.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we can discuss more. I don't have a problem.""" start="00:03:36.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for the next one, yeah, I copied this from IRC""" start="00:03:39.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I prefer to answer it orally""" start="00:03:45.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's a bit longer than the others answering in IRC.""" start="00:03:49.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: it seems that there's a meta problem here: too much information. Do your tools reduce cognative load?""" start="00:03:53.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""So it seems that there's a meta problem here.""" start="00:03:53.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's too much information.""" start="00:03:55.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And does this tool reduce the cognitive load?""" start="00:03:57.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, for me, it does reduce the cognitive load because""" start="00:04:02.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Indeed, there's a lot of information,""" start="00:04:09.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but that's how managing literature works, essentially.""" start="00:04:11.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It necessarily has to have a lot of cognitive load,""" start="00:04:18.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because you are trying to""" start="00:04:21.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""process more information""" start="00:04:22.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than your brain can process to begin with.""" start="00:04:25.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you really need a tool""" start="00:04:28.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help you not keep everything in your mind,""" start="00:04:31.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""process the information externally.""" start="00:04:36.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They do think that the way I do this, for me at least,""" start="00:04:40.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it does help with reducing cognitive load.""" start="00:04:44.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I'm here, for example,""" start="00:04:49.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I'm looking for something, I do not remember,""" start="00:04:51.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've read most of these papers not too many months ago,""" start="00:04:55.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so a lot of them are recent.""" start="00:05:01.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I don't look at what I have written for it,""" start="00:05:02.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not remember anything.""" start="00:05:06.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So indeed, you have this kind of cognitive load""" start="00:05:08.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I cannot remember everything.""" start="00:05:11.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But on the other hand, I think the tool helps""" start="00:05:17.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because my notes are what keeps, what I want to remember.""" start="00:05:23.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it doesn't stay in my mind, it stays in the text.""" start="00:05:26.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And regarding things like the reading list,""" start="00:05:30.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think also for me reduces the cognitive load""" start="00:05:35.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I will mostly remember""" start="00:05:39.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what the papers I have in that list are,""" start="00:05:42.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but just sorting them by priority helps me""" start="00:05:46.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, this was the thing I wanted to do next.""" start="00:05:50.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, sorry. This is the thing I wanted to do next.""" start="00:05:54.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I didn't have to remember""" start="00:06:00.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this is what I want to do next.""" start="00:06:02.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I just had it, I saw it there.""" start="00:06:03.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for me, it reduces cognitive load,""" start="00:06:06.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the problem of too much information is 100% there""" start="00:06:11.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there's objectively""" start="00:06:16.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much information""" start="00:06:19.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you're working with literature""" start="00:06:21.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's by nature, and yeah, essentially""" start="00:06:23.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's for me the thing""" start="00:06:35.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm just putting this information elsewhere""" start="00:06:36.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't have to keep it in my mind.""" start="00:06:41.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: When you download a new article, how do you integrate its file to your database? For example, do you move and rename the file manually?""" start="00:06:44.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""Okay, so when you download a new article,""" start="00:06:44.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do you integrate the file to the database?""" start="00:06:52.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for example, do you remove""" start="00:06:54.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and rename the file manually?""" start="00:06:58.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, for me, I also briefly showed that in the talk,""" start="00:06:59.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I did that very quickly,""" start="00:07:11.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it's understandable that it wasn't there.""" start="00:07:13.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Essentially, when I download the article,""" start="00:07:16.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I will open ivy-bibtex and find the article.""" start="00:07:21.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, this one is the first.""" start="00:07:27.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can open the menu in ivy-bibtex.""" start="00:07:31.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's with an alt o, and then it will give you this menu.""" start="00:07:34.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And from here, it will say, add PDF to library.""" start="00:07:40.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then it will ask from where do you want to add it?""" start="00:07:44.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't recommend the URL""" start="00:07:47.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it doesn't download it properly sometimes.""" start="00:07:49.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As I also mentioned that with Zotra,""" start="00:07:53.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the URLs downloading things,""" start="00:07:56.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially with academic papers""" start="00:08:00.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are sometimes paywalled, it doesn't want to work well.""" start="00:08:02.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will download the paper""" start="00:08:05.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then you can just press the f here for file.""" start="00:08:07.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you find the file.""" start="00:08:10.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, for me, all my PDFs are in this folder.""" start="00:08:13.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's still named Zotero PDFs""" start="00:08:20.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from when it was Zotero saving them.""" start="00:08:23.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now Zotero no longer saves them,""" start="00:08:25.439" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm too bored to change the name.""" start="00:08:28.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then you just find the paper you want.""" start="00:08:30.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can see there is an endless list of papers here,""" start="00:08:33.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it then will automatically rename it""" start="00:08:37.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to have the title of the author, a small title and a date.""" start="00:08:42.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I believe the naming is also configurable,""" start="00:08:56.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have this notation in my config for many years now,""" start="00:09:01.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's how everything""" start="00:09:08.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""expects to find it, essentially. I do not then move it.""" start="00:09:11.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's stored in that folder.""" start="00:09:17.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I store all my PDFs in that specific folder.""" start="00:09:19.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then Emacs knows that all PDFs""" start="00:09:22.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should be found in that folder.""" start="00:09:27.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it then just looks for the name""" start="00:09:29.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it expects to find.""" start="00:09:32.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And ivy-bibtex has renamed it automatically to that.""" start="00:09:33.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I'll wait a bit to continue with that""" start="00:09:38.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for moving to the next question.""" start="00:09:54.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, ivy-bibtex has that functionality.""" start="00:09:59.802" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: What about annotations with ereaders: viewing and taking on emacs or ereader touchscreen highlighting and notes, org-noter I think would be an alternative out of ebook annotation alternative?""" start="00:10:02.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then annotations with e-readers.""" start="00:10:02.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Viewing and taking an Emacs or Reader touchscreen,""" start="00:10:08.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""highlighting notes, noter, think would be an alternative,""" start="00:10:12.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""e-book annotation alternative.""" start="00:10:16.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I do not use an e-reader, personally.""" start="00:10:18.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The only thing that I have is my tablet,""" start="00:10:25.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can actually show you. It's this little thing here.""" start="00:10:29.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a Chromebook.""" start="00:10:34.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the reason it's a Chromebook is that""" start="00:10:39.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I bought it a few years ago,""" start="00:10:42.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it was the most viable alternative I could find""" start="00:10:44.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can run Linux as a tablet with good touchscreen.""" start="00:10:48.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was also a bit budget""" start="00:10:52.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there are some Linux tablets,""" start="00:10:55.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but they were a bit too high cost""" start="00:10:57.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for what I was looking back then.""" start="00:11:00.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this thing runs Linux essentially""" start="00:11:02.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""natively from the Chromebook.""" start="00:11:07.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I've installed Emacs there. It has all my config.""" start="00:11:10.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so if I want to take touchscreen notes, I do it there.""" start="00:11:14.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But again, that is in Emacs. And it's mostly with PDFs.""" start="00:11:21.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if it answers exactly the question.""" start="00:11:27.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if it's an e-reader, if it's, for example, a book,""" start="00:11:31.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that if you have an EPUB,""" start="00:11:35.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's called the format for books,""" start="00:11:39.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Org-noter can also read that.""" start="00:11:42.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you could also open that file inside Emacs""" start="00:11:44.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Org-noter and take notes.""" start="00:11:49.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But otherwise, If you're not""" start="00:11:51.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reading everything in Emacs,""" start="00:12:02.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it's hard to pass annotations""" start="00:12:06.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from outside Emacs to inside it,""" start="00:12:09.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of course you have less interoperability in that case.""" start="00:12:11.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I think Emacs is featureful enough""" start="00:12:15.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to where you can do all your reading inside it.""" start="00:12:22.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Org-noter has a surprising amount of different formats""" start="00:12:25.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can read things actually.""" start="00:12:30.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope it was clear if you want more on that""" start="00:12:31.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I know it's a bit more a complex question, I guess,""" start="00:12:40.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also with e-readers.""" start="00:12:45.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if it is in Emacs or not, feel free to add more.""" start="00:12:47.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: How well do you feel about making notes on web sites, pdf, videos? I know pdf is usually good but others I am less sure about.""" start="00:12:52.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And how well do you feel""" start="00:12:52.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about making notes on websites, PDF, videos?""" start="00:12:56.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will agree with the other question""" start="00:13:00.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I answered here.""" start="00:13:05.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you can convert something to PDF,""" start="00:13:07.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I prefer it because then""" start="00:13:11.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to only worry about PDFs""" start="00:13:13.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works better that way""" start="00:13:16.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than having to annotate websites.""" start="00:13:19.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is, I believe, I should have it""" start="00:13:21.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my bookmarks somewhere.""" start="00:13:26.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is the org-roam protocol""" start="00:13:27.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that allows you to take notes directly out of a website""" start="00:13:32.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it saves all the metadata of the website.""" start="00:13:36.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I did look at it at some point,""" start="00:13:39.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't really continued using it too much""" start="00:13:42.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I find that I don't often take notes""" start="00:13:47.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from a website where I want more information""" start="00:13:53.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""than just either the link of the website""" start="00:14:00.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or if I want the full text converting into a PDF.""" start="00:14:02.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I haven't really found""" start="00:14:05.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very big use case for it,""" start="00:14:07.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I know that Org-Roam protocol is a thing.""" start="00:14:08.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then for videos is a bit of a longer story""" start="00:14:11.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because if you want to take notes on videos,""" start="00:14:16.702" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a bit more complex.""" start="00:14:19.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't know of a way to do it in Emacs,""" start="00:14:21.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I also don't know of an effective way""" start="00:14:28.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to take notes on videos using other tools.""" start="00:14:30.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What I typically do if I'm following the video or something""" start="00:14:34.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that I will take notes of the more important things.""" start="00:14:39.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll take notes of the more important things""" start="00:14:44.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I was listening in the video.""" start="00:14:50.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And while I'm listening, I will take""" start="00:14:52.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some ideal crude notes,""" start="00:14:55.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not because I don't want to lose""" start="00:14:57.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of my attention during""" start="00:15:00.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what I'm trying to learn by taking very good notes.""" start="00:15:03.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So most of the time,""" start="00:15:09.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those kinds of notes will be in paper,""" start="00:15:11.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""even just very simple, crude notes.""" start="00:15:13.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then without any timestamps or anything,""" start="00:15:16.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because that's too complex for what I've done.""" start="00:15:20.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And after watching, I will try to""" start="00:15:23.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consolidate all my thoughts that I wrote down""" start="00:15:28.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into some more permanent notes using Org Roam.""" start="00:15:31.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then move on with that. Also look online,""" start="00:15:36.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I noted that I want to look more on on this subject""" start="00:15:46.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was mentioned the video""" start="00:15:50.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I didn't fully understand it,""" start="00:15:52.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I will try and look more, and things like that.""" start="00:15:53.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for me, that's how I do it, because I think that""" start="00:15:57.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""annotating a video directly with timestamps""" start="00:16:02.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everything is a bit too complex.""" start="00:16:05.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if you have""" start="00:16:07.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any suggestions for working with that,""" start="00:16:09.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but for me, it has been very troublesome.""" start="00:16:12.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: How do you add a new article from scratch, a pdf that you did not have in your bib file? How do you generate the 'bib' entry with metadata and abstract?""" start="00:16:19.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""And then how do you add a new article from scratch,""" start="00:16:19.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a PDF that you did not have in your bib file?""" start="00:16:22.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do you generate the bib entry metadata and abstract?""" start="00:16:25.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, the package is called Zotra.""" start="00:16:29.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can also show it again. Let's find something.""" start="00:16:36.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and can open up. Let's not do that.""" start="00:16:44.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If I open it, I need to access it through my institution.""" start="00:16:49.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will not open the link, but I can show you essentially""" start="00:16:53.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you run zotra-add-entry, this function,""" start="00:16:57.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it copies what you have currently in,""" start="00:17:02.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you have already copied right now,""" start="00:17:10.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's the message I copied before for the Q&A,""" start="00:17:12.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but if you open a paper and have the URL copied,""" start="00:17:15.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will immediately come here and will save everything.""" start="00:17:21.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also as I mentioned there's the...""" start="00:17:26.342" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can also download attachments from there,""" start="00:17:28.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but with paywalled articles doesn't always work well,""" start="00:17:31.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I just do it manually""" start="00:17:34.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, system is running low on power. Give me just a second.""" start="00:17:40.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the computer doesn't turn off as we're speaking. Yes.""" start="00:17:45.822" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So yeah, everything is added from scratch.""" start="00:17:59.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Essentially you copy the URL and give it to Zotra,""" start="00:18:03.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it does everything.""" start="00:18:06.591" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] + +
[[!template new="1" text="""Q: When do you fact check every detail for a bib entry? The author names, published journal, doi stuff.""" start="00:18:15.632" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]]
[[!template text="""When you fact check every detail""" start="00:18:15.632" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a bib entry, your author names, published journal,""" start="00:18:17.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doi stuff. So I generally don't do that.""" start="00:18:26.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, thanks for the person""" start="00:18:29.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that added the link to the Zotra.""" start="00:18:30.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wouldn't say that I fact check the details.""" start="00:18:35.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I assume that when they're added,""" start="00:18:38.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're actually correct.""" start="00:18:40.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Have you actually had trouble with a tool""" start="00:18:44.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that automatically adds them, to add them wrong?""" start="00:18:49.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm curious. I haven't really heard""" start="00:18:52.022" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that happening too much.""" start="00:18:54.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've always thought that, yeah, if you do it manually,""" start="00:18:59.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you need to fact check that you did it correctly.""" start="00:19:01.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I always assume that if you do it""" start="00:19:04.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""automatically through a tool,""" start="00:19:06.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should already be correct.""" start="00:19:09.302" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I don't remember ever having any trouble either""" start="00:19:11.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I was using Zotero before, or now""" start="00:19:15.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the more Emacs based tools.""" start="00:19:20.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I feel like the big entries are copied correctly.""" start="00:19:24.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't noticed this being incorrect.""" start="00:19:29.782" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'm curious, do you have any point""" start="00:19:35.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on that, I will keep in mind.""" start="00:19:40.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sometimes, DOI records are not exactly correct.""" start="00:19:44.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, they can contain some very strange symbols.""" start="00:19:48.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that can happen sometimes. OK. Yeah. I don't know.""" start="00:19:52.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess then if you want to fact check,""" start="00:20:00.680" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's probably the best to do it directly as it is added,""" start="00:20:05.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like it's added, for example, here,""" start="00:20:12.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you can just directly, when you add it,""" start="00:20:14.902" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find it and say, is everything correct here?""" start="00:20:17.942" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I think that if you leave it for later,""" start="00:20:23.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it will be much more of a mess.""" start="00:20:27.662" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for checking, I would just do it directly""" start="00:20:31.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after I add it to the bib file.""" start="00:20:33.182" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And let me see, is there anything else?""" start="00:20:47.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think one common way it can fail""" start="00:20:50.622" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is when the metadata includes""" start="00:20:53.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""HTML tags for math, for example.""" start="00:20:56.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And in some papers, for some journals, it can happen.""" start="00:20:59.582" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So then you can imagine what happens""" start="00:21:03.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you try to put that citation""" start="00:21:05.062" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your references.""" start="00:21:06.982" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's going to be a mess.""" start="00:21:08.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, okay. I didn't know, to be honest, so yeah.""" start="00:21:12.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for the information.""" start="00:21:17.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think our graph has automatic cleaning""" start="00:21:27.102" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of certain things""" start="00:21:29.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for common errors in the metadata.""" start="00:21:30.422" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How did you call that?""" start="00:21:34.742" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can note it down also here for the discussion.""" start="00:21:37.222" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, our graph. Or graph. Or graph. Yeah.""" start="00:21:38.382" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Okay. I will put it down the pad.""" start="00:21:45.862" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think the next talk,""" start="00:22:12.262" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the live will move in the next minute anyways.""" start="00:22:14.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I see we're done with all the questions.""" start="00:22:18.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you everyone. I hope this was interesting.""" start="00:22:22.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for giving me a lot of questions""" start="00:22:26.142" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we had to discuss for the whole time""" start="00:22:28.502" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we weren't just here sitting.""" start="00:22:31.462" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And enjoy the rest of EmacsConf.""" start="00:22:34.542" video="qanda-reference" id="subtitle"]] +
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