From 6d1d18532c1d0495a1fd42e6f1b2f7d165efe0a2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sacha Chua Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 09:17:22 -0500 Subject: add IRC --- 2024/talks/org-update.md | 90 +++++++++++++++++++++--------------------------- 1 file changed, 39 insertions(+), 51 deletions(-) (limited to '2024/talks/org-update.md') diff --git a/2024/talks/org-update.md b/2024/talks/org-update.md index 6fba6fd6..058807dc 100644 --- a/2024/talks/org-update.md +++ b/2024/talks/org-update.md @@ -17,10 +17,10 @@ Ihor Radchenko ## Questions and answers -- Q:\<\_viz\> Q: Is the track-changes item about the org-element +- Q:<\_viz\> Q: Is the track-changes item about the org-element parser? \[10:34\] - A:Yes - - \ Moreover, track-changes has been developed with my + - Moreover, track-changes has been developed with my input specifically aimed to make sure that it can support org-element use case. See [https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi) @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ Ihor Radchenko - [https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input\--output](https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input--output) - You can use attachment and images to paste. - - \ In terms of actually adding support for hadwritten + - In terms of actually adding support for hadwritten notes/audio, it is not 100% clear what that support would consitute. Tooling to convert images/sound to text would probably not be appropriate for Org mode. It would be better @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ Ihor Radchenko supported, but again, it is not clear what such a support would constitute. - - \"Would that be interesting to the community?\" Go and ask ;) + - "Would that be interesting to the community?" Go and ask ;) Just write about your idea in details to the mailing list and you will get feedback. What I can tell is that this topic does not surface frequently as far as I am aware. @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ Ihor Radchenko - [https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/](https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/) - My followup: [https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/](https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/) - - Despite pushback, Karl\'s idea did align with our IETF idea + - Despite pushback, Karl's idea did align with our IETF idea and with one of the point I make in the presentation about making life easier for non-Emacs apps. - See @@ -100,22 +100,22 @@ Ihor Radchenko needs to be done not - just by this Emacs Org-mode community, but by bringing together other - - \"consumers\" of .org files, from ecosystems outside + - "consumers" of .org files, from ecosystems outside of Emacs. - Such a collective work could lead to define what subset of the Org - syntax is useful as the corner-stone for .org files everywhere - which - - is what you rightfully brought up with \"Orgdown\". + - is what you rightfully brought up with "Orgdown". - If successful, such a process could end up in defining the minimal and - - official \"Org syntax\" while allowing + - official "Org syntax" while allowing implementations (like the one for - Emacs org-mode) to supercharge this syntax if deemed useful. - Perhaps TEC is right and we will end up having the minimal syntax - - being the one we currently use for Org-mode: we\'ll + - being the one we currently use for Org-mode: we'll see. - Q: About a year ago we discussed switching GNU documentation from texinfo to org. Do you still consider this? - A: We don't want to complicate org syntax to adjust to the @@ -130,64 +130,52 @@ Ihor Radchenko ## Notes -    \ Nice to see mobile apps actively being considered when -talking about\ -                org :D \[10:29\]\ - -- \ Transient integration in org will be a very welcome --                              improvement! Being able to save the - transient state on --                              org-export would be very nice indeed -- \ fun fact: Transient did take some inspiration from - Org\'s menus - - \ tarsius: Oh, I did not know this! - - \ From which menus exactly, those implemented by Nicolas - for the - -              exporter? - - \ Not any specific menus but the \"dim unreachable - commands, when the - -                     user typed an incomplete key sequence\" +- Nice to see mobile apps actively being considered when talking about org :D +- Transient integration in org will be a very welcome improvement! Being able to save the + transient state on org-export would be very nice indeed +- fun fact: Transient did take some inspiration from Org's menus + - tarsius: Oh, I did not know this! + - From which menus exactly, those implemented by Nicolas + for the exporter? + - Not any specific menus but the "dim unreachable + commands, when the user typed an incomplete key sequence" feature. -- \ love to hear how folks in emacs real approach +- love to hear how folks in emacs real approach project development as social endeavors to a significant degree -- \ Another mobile app that understands org-markdown is +- Another mobile app that understands org-markdown is ZettelNotes ([https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/](https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/)) - - \ It is not the only one missed. For a reason. I did not + - It is not the only one missed. For a reason. I did not find source code. - - \ Ah ok, that is fair. -- \There is a Ruby parser too, in the Guthub renderer + - Ah ok, that is fair. +- There is a Ruby parser too, in the Guthub renderer - Right. It is also listed at [https://orgmode.org/tools.html](https://orgmode.org/tools.html) (alongside with Pandoc) -- \ As an org user but someone who is not familiar with - development --                              (and has no context on org\'s direction - before Ihor\'s --                              stewardship), I\'m really excited about - the priorities being --                              expressed in this talk :) Thanks +- As an org user but someone who is not familiar with + development (and has no context on org's direction before Ihor's stewardship), I'm really excited about the priorities being expressed in this talk :) Thanks \[10:47\] -- \ another great (and absolute core to me) app with org-mode +- another great (and absolute core to me) app with org-mode support (respectively org files are at the core of it) for iOS devices is: beorg - [https://www.beorgapp.com/](https://www.beorgapp.com/)  -- \ Really encouraging stuff, thanks :D \[11:02\] -- \ Thank you yantar92\`  -- \ Thank you for this wonderful talk! -- \ We appreciate all the work being done -- \ really enjoying this talk as a long time user who hasn\'t - ever really --                 thought about how org mode gets developed (much less + [https://www.beorgapp.com/](https://www.beorgapp.com/) + - the dev is responsive and open for feedback/feature requests, from my experience so far. i'm still "a noob", but org-mode, emacs and beorg allow me to structure my workflows/needs and to get rid of possibly many other apps/software. + - The list of iOS-native apps are still quite small with varying quality. So far, I'm quite happy with beorg. Tried out other too (1-2 i may be missing, maybe considering buying them, even if it's just a small contribution to Emacs/orgmode as community as such). as far as the libre aspect. true, but i have to be pragmatic at some point, and firstly i want to be productive/efficient/effective. As long as it's a sole dev / community-inspired thing, and not a big corporate raider, i'm fine with non-libre software, if the standards are kept and no proprietary overhead stuff is modifying the core of org-mode (in this example for example). +- Really encouraging stuff, thanks :D +- Thank you yantar92\`  +- Thank you for this wonderful talk! +- We appreciate all the work being done +- really enjoying this talk as a long time user who hasn't + ever really thought about how org mode gets developed (much less contributed) - For audio transcription, I use Speech Note (offline) and copy the text to orgmode -- It\'s great to see Carsten, Bastien and Ihor together. I run my life +- It's great to see Carsten, Bastien and Ihor together. I run my life with orgmode, so we owe you guys a lot :) -- \ I think a huge part of Org Mode is workflow, and that\'s - both highly individual and highly social - we learn about what\'s +- I think a huge part of Org Mode is workflow, and that's + both highly individual and highly social - we learn about what's possible by hearing about how other people do things - +- Thank you for taking over org! I use it every day and I'm happy to see that org's future is in good hands. [[!inline pages="internal(2024/info/org-update-after)" raw="yes"]] -- cgit v1.2.3