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-[[!template text="""Thank you for the talk. I mean, it was a fairly long one and we""" start="00:00:00.983" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""had two very distinct parts, one which dealt with a""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""philosophy of LibreLL software and then the application,""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""obviously, of PySAS. So thank you so much for the""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""presentation. Before we get started with the question, and""" start="00:00:13.270" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""for the record, we have about 14 minutes of question time, is""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""there anything that you'd like to add on top of your""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""presentation, something that perhaps would not have fit in""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the actual presentation format? Sure, but prior to that,""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""félicitations à tous les Français pour le rouvrir de""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Notre-Dame. Thank you. I'll say thank you because I'm a""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Francophone and I'm also French, but OK.""" start="00:00:41.404" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, so a few things have come up in various other talks,""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that kind of EmacsConf 2024 talks, that kind of dovetail""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with what I was saying. One idea was Peter Prevost's""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""observation of working with Emacs versus working on Emacs.""" start="00:01:07.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And I'm all for that. So the idea of BLEE is that""" start="00:01:20.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Others can package things, and we are seeing this in the form""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of redistributions. There is Doom, there is Space Max, and""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""we are seeing the evolution of Emacs into layers. So there is""" start="00:01:34.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the core Emacs, and there are layers on top of it. And Peter""" start="00:01:43.274" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""also mentioned about too much choice, this notion of""" start="00:01:49.239" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Not always too much choice is the right thing to have. And""" start="00:02:03.236" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""packaging Emacs with a layer on top of Debian gives you a""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""platform and an environment where the choices are a lot""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""less. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So that was one idea. The other idea or the other theme""" start="00:02:31.209" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""throughout the various talks that we saw was this concept of""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""mixing org mode with programming languages and What Babel""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""has done is two things. One is it has successfully""" start="00:02:53.191" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""integrated org mode with all kinds of languages. And that""" start="00:02:56.733" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""has happened in the context of literate programming. Um, so""" start="00:03:06.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""a talk coming after mine is literate programming for the""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""21st century, mixing org mode with program languages. And""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""what I am saying is that there is an alternative and that's""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""great, but we should also, uh, consider a traditional""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""programming mixed with org mode and, um, Polymode is key to""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that. So those were some of the key concepts that I saw a""" start="00:03:38.803" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""resonance with as the conference went forward. Yeah, and I""" start="00:03:41.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""think, if my memory serves me right, we have another talk""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""about hyperbole this year, right after this Q&A session.""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And hyperbole, it's not Org Mode, but I'm not sure if you're""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""familiar with it, Mohsen, you might have seen it from""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""various talks last year, but it also tends to have a similar""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""stance than you, with the fact that text should be embedded""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in programming languages rather than having Org Mode""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""implement, I mean, integrate other languages. And I found""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""it funny that we have your talk and this talk which are about""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the other direction, which I find very resonating as well.""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Right, right, right. So in terms of other things that did not""" start="00:04:33.091" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""fit into my talk is that the several concepts that I""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""introduced, namely""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Dynamic blocks everywhere and Comiga.""" start="00:04:52.370" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'd be happy to expand on those by sharing your screen in due""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""course, whatever is appropriate. Sure, considering the""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""time that we have, we only have about 8 minutes 30 and we""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""already have about four, five questions actually. I""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""suggest we perhaps leave the screen sharing until later if""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""people are interested. I mean this Q&A can last as long as you""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""want. That makes perfect sense. OK, cool. So how about we""" start="00:05:23.493" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""focus on the question now and starting with the first one.""" start="00:05:29.362" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You mentioned that there are two editions, one named at""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Westerners and one for worldwide readers. I'm from Brazil.""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Which edition would you recommend? It's a Western country,""" start="00:05:40.170" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""but you didn't make the distinction exclusive for the""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""second edition. So I thought it would be better to ask.""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Right. So definitely, I would say for everybody who is on""" start="00:05:48.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this conference, the international edition is the right""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""choice. In this book, I take some aggressive stance against""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""intellectual property and I link that specifically to the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""American culture. So there are pieces in the book where the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""typical American audience may be offended. And if your skin""" start="00:06:21.496" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""is thick enough to deal with what I consider reasonable""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""criticism, then the International Edition is definitely""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the better choice. Right. So yeah, I believe you also""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""mentioned it. Pretty much exactly the same thing in your""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""talk. So if you need to review, just watch the talk. And I""" start="00:06:55.463" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""think Mohsen also provides extra information about this.""" start="00:06:59.966" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Moving on to the second question. Thank you for this talk.""" start="00:07:03.970" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""How does your perspective interface with work such as Yanis""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Varoufakis' Technofeudalism?""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I haven't read much of that. I think there is a whole lot of""" start="00:07:14.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""global growth and collective understanding towards this""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""notion that the direction we are headed in And by that, I mean""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""American digital ecosystems""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are dangerous and that we should revisit""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the entirety of the model and strategy.""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""If the person who asked the question has any additional""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""information, I'll be happy to hear it. Sure. We'll see if the""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""person actually comes back to this. All right. In the""" start="00:08:15.313" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""meantime, moving on to the next question. To what extent do""" start="00:08:19.654" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you agree that the introduction of proprietary systems in""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""education creates an environment for exploitation whilst""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""at the same time diluting the learning value of the""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""curriculum? My computing education at school amounted to""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""learning how to use the Microsoft Office suite, i.e. the""" start="00:08:32.797" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""opposite of lasting open knowledge. Yeah, that's right on""" start="00:08:38.258" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the mark. That's right on the mark. So the idea is that""" start="00:08:41.846" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""teaching and learning should be unrestricted. In the""" start="00:08:44.768" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Muslim tradition and in Iranian tradition, we say that""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""passing along the learning is the tax on having learned. So""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""absolutely. I think it makes very little sense for the""" start="00:09:12.273" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""proprietary Microsoft software to be used as part of""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""education. So the question is right on the mark. Okay,""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""great. Let me just take a note of this. All right, moving on to""" start="00:09:33.396" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the next question. As a specific example of how ownership is""" start="00:09:37.859" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""not something clean, look at the Star Trek Picard series.""" start="00:09:40.320" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""They continuously asked Patrick Stewart to come to do""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""another Star Trek series, but he couldn't because Star Trek""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""changed from what it used to be, at least until they came up""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with a series that honored what Star Trek used to be. Does""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this intersect? Let me read this for a moment.""" start="00:09:57.832" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, I am not sure I fully get the point, but. Let me make a""" start="00:10:22.192" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""point about my criticisms of the false movement""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in the presentation and in the book. The idea is that we have""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""jumped on the false movement and recognize it as an""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""alternative But we haven't looked deeply enough to see if""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""our own philosophy and movement have problems. The""" start="00:10:57.033" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""problems that I note is that The first movement does not""" start="00:11:07.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""recognize clearly and explicitly that the entirety of the""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime is flawed. The second""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""piece is that it's only now that we are seeing the FOSS""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""movement is broader than the Western world. The third""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""problem is that the labels of free software and open source""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are not necessarily correct. The fourth problem is that we""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are not paying enough attention to establishing a""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""relationship with society.""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So there's a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""topic. What I'm not sure about is if I got the point of the""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""question correctly. So again, if the person who asked the""" start="00:12:18.194" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""question could clarify, I'll be happy to further expand.""" start="00:12:25.896" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay, considering the time, we only have about one minute to""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""ten seconds until we go. So what we're going to do, as we""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""usually do, Morsen, is that we're going to move the stream""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""onto the next talk. And if you want to take a little bit of time""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in this room to answer the question, I'm putting a link to the""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pad in the BBB chat so you can open it on your end. But as we are""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""still live for 15 more seconds, do you have any last words?""" start="00:12:55.484" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Keep up the good work. Those would be my last words, that the""" start="00:13:01.760" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""free software and the open source and Emacs are a very valid""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""strategy for inside of IPR resistance. And thank you, Leo""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""and Sasha and the rest of the folks for this wonderful yearly""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""event. Well, thank you so much. And it's always a pleasure to""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""have you. And thank you for your thankings. So we'll be""" start="00:13:32.754" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""moving to the next talk in 10 seconds. Mohsen, thank you so""" start="00:13:35.655" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""much. And I'll see you later. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.""" start="00:13:37.717" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""All right. We are off air. So thank you so much, Mohsen. I'll""" start="00:13:47.663" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""need to get moving to get ready for the next talk. So again,""" start="00:13:49.924" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""feel free to take the time you need to answer the questions.""" start="00:13:52.125" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'm going to stop sharing my screen because I need to leave.""" start="00:13:54.827" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""But take all the time you need. And when you're finished, you""" start="00:13:57.048" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""can just leave the room. OK. All right, bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:13:58.529" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Great. I""" start="00:14:16.143" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""see one more person in the room.""" start="00:14:17.184" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Hi, John.""" start="00:14:27.472" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I was looking at the questions.""" start="00:14:33.922" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""To see if there is more that I can add. So.""" start="00:14:41.428" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""through the regard of societal impacts on ethical,""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""philosophical and wider force community. I'm involved in""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""politics in my country, my party is very sympathetic to""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""force ideas and I have public Do you have any recommendation""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""to reading materials designed for such an audience? Um,""" start="00:15:06.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""yeah, this is, uh, with regard to the, uh, last question""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that's on the etherpad at this moment. Um, so the idea is, um,""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that, uh, my own book would be an excellent resource. I'd""" start="00:15:20.928" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""say, um, And the bibliography in the book contains various""" start="00:15:32.094" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""other pointers that could be quite useful.""" start="00:15:34.950" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'm reading again.""" start="00:15:53.880" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:16:08.499" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Very good. 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I'll say thank you because I'm a""" start="00:00:37.840" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Francophone and I'm also French, but OK.""" start="00:00:42.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so a few things have come up in various other talks,""" start="00:00:48.040" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that kind of EmacsConf 2024 talks, that kind of dovetail""" start="00:00:58.160" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with what I was saying. One idea was Peter Prevos's""" start="00:01:04.360" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""observation of working with Emacs versus working on Emacs.""" start="00:01:10.600" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I'm all for that. 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The fourth problem is that we""" start="00:11:54.920" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are not paying enough attention to establishing a""" start="00:12:01.160" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relationship with society.""" start="00:12:07.240" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there's a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this""" start="00:12:10.000" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""topic. What I'm not sure about is if I got the point of the""" start="00:12:16.440" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question correctly. 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And thank you, Leo""" start="00:13:14.240" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Sacha and the rest of the folks for this wonderful yearly""" start="00:13:24.480" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""event. Well, thank you so much. And it's always a pleasure to""" start="00:13:29.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have you. And thank you for your thankings. So we'll be""" start="00:13:33.560" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moving to the next talk in 10 seconds. Mohsen, thank you so""" start="00:13:36.120" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much. And I'll see you later. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.""" start="00:13:38.440" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. We are off air. So thank you so much, Mohsen. I'll""" start="00:13:47.560" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to get moving to get ready for the next talk. So again,""" start="00:13:50.160" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feel free to take the time you need to answer the questions.""" start="00:13:52.560" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to stop sharing my screen because I need to leave.""" start="00:13:54.520" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But take all the time you need. And when you're finished, you""" start="00:13:56.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can just leave the room. OK. All right, bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:13:59.320" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. I""" start="00:14:04.040" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see one more person in the room.""" start="00:14:17.280" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, John.""" start="00:14:23.440" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was looking at the questions.""" start="00:14:35.680" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To see if there is more that I can add. So.""" start="00:14:38.080" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the regard of societal impacts on ethical,""" start="00:14:46.240" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophical and wider force community. I'm involved in""" start="00:14:54.920" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""politics in my country, my party is very sympathetic to""" start="00:14:58.440" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""force ideas and I have public Do you have any recommendation""" start="00:15:02.240" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to reading materials designed for such an audience? Um,""" start="00:15:08.040" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, this is, uh, with regard to the, uh, last question""" start="00:15:12.360" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's on the etherpad at this moment. Um, so the idea is, um,""" start="00:15:18.000" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, uh, my own book would be an excellent resource. I'd""" start="00:15:24.440" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say, um, And the bibliography in the book contains various""" start="00:15:32.200" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other pointers that could be quite useful.""" start="00:15:39.280" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm reading again.""" start="00:15:43.040" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:15:55.400" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Very good. If there are no other questions,""" start="00:15:57.800" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I'm going to consider this a day and move on.""" start="00:16:20.160" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you.""" start="00:16:31.840" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
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Q&A transcript (unedited)

-[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Hi Philippe, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:04.751" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Oh, did we lose Philippe? Is it bad luck or am I the only one not""" start="00:00:11.297" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""able to hear him?""" start="00:00:14.219" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Give us just a second, folks.""" start="00:00:19.624" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay, so I'm not sure what is happening now, folks. We had""" start="00:00:35.683" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Philip talking literally two seconds before we went live.""" start="00:00:37.804" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'm not sure if it's the curse again, but I'm going to start""" start="00:00:40.766" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""getting... It's here too, if it's anything. It's our BBB.""" start="00:00:40.766" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""All right, so we're going to be doing a little bit of jazz""" start="00:00:52.372" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""handing as usual. Hopefully, Philip will be able to join us""" start="00:00:52.372" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""again fairly quickly.""" start="00:00:55.813" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'll make sure for the jazz handing, Leo, it's the highlight""" start="00:01:05.546" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of my weekend. I'm glad the visible anguish and the stress""" start="00:01:05.546" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that I feel during those moments is at least palatable to""" start="00:01:12.153" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""some people watching. That's right. Although I understand""" start="00:01:12.153" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""among, you know, it is commonly seen as a poison among my""" start="00:01:21.842" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""people, it is considered a delicacy.""" start="00:01:21.842" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay, so I see plenty of questions for Philip as well. So""" start="00:01:31.690" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""hopefully he is just a restart away from joining us. And""" start="00:01:33.672" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""yeah, I feel bad if we don't get this sorted out because I for""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""one had a lovely chat, kind of in the green room, just doing""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""our tech shakedown, which went absolutely swimmingly. No""" start="00:01:37.595" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""problems until we cut the stream over. Sorry, everyone.""" start="00:01:51.929" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, and in the meantime, if you feel like getting your""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""questions ready so that as soon as Philippe joins us, you'll""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""be able to quickfire through most of your questions. And I""" start="00:01:56.789" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""already see plenty of them. Thank you again to all the people""" start="00:02:05.805" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""writing down the questions.""" start="00:02:07.047" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And afterwards, well this was the last talk of the day, so""" start="00:02:21.472" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""we'll be moving to the close for today. We won't be too long,""" start="00:02:21.472" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""just in case you're a European like me and you need to go to""" start="00:02:27.618" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""sleep. Don't worry, we'll keep you at most five minutes.""" start="00:02:27.618" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""We've just got a couple of quick bases we wanna hit, make sure""" start="00:02:35.017" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""everyone's organized to plan their day for tomorrow. Thank""" start="00:02:35.017" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you so much, those of you who are joining us live, as well as""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""everyone who put so much time and effort before this""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""weekend, from Leo and my perspective, if you're watching""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this recorded. Yeah, thanks everybody for all your work""" start="00:02:42.483" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""coming together to create this community project of Emacs""" start="00:02:56.393" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Conf. It's a ton of fun. All right, and Philippe, I believe""" start="00:02:56.393" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you are back. Did you have a very momentous crash on your end?""" start="00:03:05.529" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yes, I believe it was just in the right moments to...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So what I'll do, I'll give you presenter again so that you...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I mean, do you have your screen set up or do you need to...""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Maybe I shouldn't do presenter. I have the feeling that""" start="00:03:09.771" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""could have been related to the crash and I'll just...""" start="00:03:24.960" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""visually describe anything. Well, the camera looks great.""" start="00:03:31.004" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You sound great. And on the stream, my eyeball says it looks""" start="00:03:33.466" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""great with Leo doing the streaming. So I say let's dive right""" start="00:03:34.827" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in. You got a long, huge line. And in order to be a little more""" start="00:03:40.392" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""dialectical, I'll be reading the questions. So first""" start="00:03:44.936" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""question, which key was a third party package for a long""" start="00:03:48.699" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""time? Is there work to bring any other popular packages into""" start="00:03:48.699" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the core of Emacs for Emacs 31 plus, like Magit or Council?""" start="00:03:52.783" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Uh, right. I already answered that one on the, as you can see,""" start="00:04:00.894" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""uh, right. Yeah. Do you want to quickly read the answer so""" start="00:04:01.294" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that everyone, I just can read it out again. Um, as far as I""" start="00:04:05.337" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""remember, the one package that was being discussed just""" start="00:04:10.141" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""around the time that the Emacs 30 branch was cut was macro""" start="00:04:10.141" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""step. That's the package that was like, does an overlay, uh,""" start="00:04:10.141" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""replaces a macro with the macro expansion using overlays.""" start="00:04:18.327" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So you don't have to pop up another buffer, modified,""" start="00:04:24.952" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""modified current buffer. But we didn't manage to address""" start="00:04:24.952" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""all the concerns in time for the Emacs 30 cuts and I believe""" start="00:04:29.113" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""it's sort of stagnated around that but it might be picked up""" start="00:04:29.113" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""anytime someone mentions it on Emacs Devil again. Another""" start="00:04:29.113" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""package question mentioned was Magit. That's a constant""" start="00:04:40.679" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""discussion regarding Magit. And actually, from the top of""" start="00:04:43.561" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""my head, I can't recall if Magit is on non-GNU ELPA or GNU ELPA""" start="00:04:47.004" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""right now. It's still on non-GNU ELPA.""" start="00:04:47.004" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""For those who don't know, only packages which are in ELPA are""" start="00:04:58.553" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""considered for addition, considered to be added to the""" start="00:04:58.553" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Emacs core, to be bundled along with Emacs. 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We have""" start="00:05:36.072" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""things that aren't maintained by GNU at all, you know, most""" start="00:05:39.933" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""notably Melba. And then we have kind of non-GNU ELPA, which""" start="00:05:39.933" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""is sort of an entryway project where it's not necessarily""" start="00:05:49.435" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""curated, but there'll be some advice given, which you can""" start="00:05:49.435" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""take or leave. And that's the repository where anything""" start="00:05:49.435" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that was the newer repository that represents, you know,""" start="00:05:59.078" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""help, you know, help, help supplied from GNU. 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Free software goes as long as""" start="00:14:38.361" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""there are people that are irritated enough about something""" start="00:14:45.782" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""to sort of come hack on it. Yeah. And the same applies to Mac""" start="00:14:45.782" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""OS. But I don't know any concrete details about who's""" start="00:14:53.284" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""currently working on it. I can't recollect any details on""" start="00:14:56.462" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""who's currently working on what.""" start="00:14:59.864" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Okay. 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But I've had thoughts around this""" start="00:17:46.073" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""space. Are you back, Leo? Yeah, sorry, I'm back. You save us""" start="00:17:52.219" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""all. Maybe closing remarks. I was trying to clear my throat""" start="00:18:01.585" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""to be very inconspicuous about me coming back, but""" start="00:18:05.446" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""apparently I was ousted. 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You can follow whatever is""" start="00:18:51.130" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""published in your package archives or in your system""" start="00:18:55.433" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""distribution package manager. You can build it yourself if""" start="00:18:55.433" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you want to contribute and fix bugs, add features, and so on.""" start="00:19:04.836" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, and I don't think perhaps a little more with Emacs,""" start="00:19:11.041" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""because the features that tends to get introduced in Emacs""" start="00:19:11.041" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are slightly more wild. 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If that seems true, please""" start="00:12:09.960" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone interrupt me before I make a fool of myself.""" start="00:12:15.000" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No one's done that yet.""" start="00:12:18.320" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think a couple of years ago there were chats and then we""" start="00:12:24.520" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""deprecated the all contrib ELPA, but I think all the ELPA is""" start="00:12:29.520" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still alive. I didn't know that about that. 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You can follow whatever is""" start="00:15:19.840" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""published in your package archives or in your system""" start="00:15:24.760" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""distribution package manager. You can build it yourself if""" start="00:15:28.520" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you want to contribute and fix bugs, add features, and so on.""" start="00:15:32.400" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, and I don't think perhaps a little more with Emacs,""" start="00:15:36.840" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because the features that tends to get introduced in Emacs""" start="00:15:40.400" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are slightly more wild. 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I'm""" start="00:18:48.120" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. Yeah. All right. On that note, I suggest we move to""" start="00:18:54.240" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's close because it's fairly late for me and I need to""" start="00:18:59.080" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sleep. And Philip, I think it's pretty late for you as well,""" start="00:19:01.000" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't it? I'm in Germany, so it's about... So it is pretty""" start="00:19:03.120" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""late. It's the same time zone as me. It's 11 p.m. for you.""" start="00:19:07.240" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Truly, yeah. Yeah, so I suggest we both take the chance to go""" start="00:19:09.800" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to bed as soon as we can. But Philip, thank you so much for""" start="00:19:16.400" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""both the presentation and also the answers that you""" start="00:19:20.360" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provided to us and the nice little chat we had at the end. We""" start="00:19:22.760" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look forward to seeing you again next year, perhaps for""" start="00:19:26.120" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 31. I'm not sure. I was chatting with wasamasa""" start="00:19:29.520" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to make prognostics about when Emacs 30 is going to be""" start="00:19:34.160" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""released. There's a pre-release coming soon. I should have""" start="00:19:37.680" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned that earlier. Well, there you go. Gone.""" start="00:19:40.840" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. Well, thank you so much, Philip. We'll be moving""" start="00:19:46.720" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards close. Give us about two minutes to get set up in the""" start="00:19:51.840" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other room. And Philip, we'll see you next time. Goodbye.""" start="00:19:54.480" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:19:58.440" video="qanda-emacs30" id="subtitle"]]
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Q&A transcript (unedited)

-[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Hi, Mats, how are you doing? Oh, I'm""" start="00:00:08.986" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""fine. It's a pleasure to see you again after last year. And I""" start="00:00:12.308" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""was trying to think about it. We saw you last year, but didn't""" start="00:00:16.590" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""we see you as well in 2022? Yes. This is my third year. Yeah,""" start="00:00:19.131" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""well, thank you for being a regular at EmacsConf. It's""" start="00:00:26.915" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""always a pleasure to have you chat about hyperbole.""" start="00:00:29.136" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Although I think you're the only one chatting about""" start="00:00:31.937" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""hyperbole this year compared to last year. Yes,""" start="00:00:31.937" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""unfortunately, that's, yeah, Bob has some family issues.""" start="00:00:36.744" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So yeah, I'm here, but I'm here. Yeah, but we are happy to have""" start="00:00:41.187" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you here. And as I was saying before, I'm not sure if you were,""" start="00:00:44.269" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you had the time to watch the previous talk by Mohsen, you""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""know, you had, there were plenty of ideas, I think that were""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""very similar to what Hyperbole is trying to do by having""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""buttons and having stuff that can be in any other mode that""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""would allow you to supplement a coding file with extra""" start="00:00:46.791" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""information. So the ideas are living on. And even though""" start="00:01:06.745" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""hyperbole is one thing, I feel like other packages are also""" start="00:01:11.448" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""taking a lot of inspiration for it. So congratulations on""" start="00:01:11.448" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""being an inspiration, I suppose. Oh, thanks.""" start="00:01:16.530" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I have not had any time to watch anything of""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the AMS conference since apparently my life is like every""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""time it's AMS conference, I do something else. So I've been""" start="00:01:21.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""just moving this weekend. So, I'm in a new apartment, but I'm""" start="00:01:32.819" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""connected and everything seems to work okay. So, I can't""" start="00:01:35.800" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""relate to what we said in any of the other talks, I'm afraid.""" start="00:01:41.225" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""So, sorry about that. No, that's okay. No, but that's""" start="00:01:45.348" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""completely fine, because you may be able to watch the talks""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""at any point later on, because I'll remind the viewers that""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the talks are currently available on EmacsConf or the""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pre-recorded one. And I think we only had one live talk""" start="00:01:47.310" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""yesterday. All of them are already available with""" start="00:01:58.199" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""subtitles and all the funny stuff that we usually put. So""" start="00:02:02.422" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that's an invitation for people to watch it. All right. So,""" start="00:02:06.844" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Mats, before we start with the questions, I see people in the""" start="00:02:10.985" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""process of writing them. Was there anything else you wanted""" start="00:02:10.985" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""to add on top of your presentation? Maybe some supplements""" start="00:02:16.887" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""or whatnot? No, no. Nothing to add. Right. I mean, this year""" start="00:02:19.368" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""was more a bag of tricks, some new stuff that you've""" start="00:02:28.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""implemented in Hyperbole. And it's fun because I see the UI""" start="00:02:28.493" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that you have for some of those modes. And earlier, you""" start="00:02:33.115" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""weren't able to watch those talks, but we were talking a lot""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""about Transient and about what it allows you to do in terms of""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""interactivity. I'm actually familiar with Transient. No,""" start="00:02:37.836" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""no, no. It's a mode written by Tarsier, so Jonas Bernoulli,""" start="00:02:50.500" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the person behind Magits, and it's a very nice way to create""" start="00:02:52.765" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""menus for interactive setups. So, if you are interested in""" start="00:02:52.765" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""perhaps augmenting what you currently have with""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Hyperbole, it might be nice to look into Transient because I""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""think this is heading towards eventually being merged into""" start="00:03:04.387" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the core of Emacs. 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You""" start="00:04:04.660" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""don't necessarily have to follow the latest fads when it""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""comes to completion engines or interactive engines like""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Transient is. I'm not actually sure how you would call""" start="00:04:16.158" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Transient. Is this a UI maker, an interaction engine? I""" start="00:04:25.085" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""don't know. I'll need to ask Tarsius at some point. All""" start="00:04:31.450" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""right. Okay. Okay so let's move on to the questions. 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And every Sunday, well, if you do not know what to do,""" start="00:13:37.240" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, here's an idea for you. All right. Thank you so""" start="00:13:41.960" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much, Mats, for coming again to Emacs Conf. And we look""" start="00:13:44.920" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forward, perhaps, to seeing you next year. Yes. I'll be""" start="00:13:47.080" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there. Hopefully, I can see some of the presentations live""" start="00:13:50.320" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then. OK. That's OK. You've got the entire year to catch up on""" start="00:13:55.120" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the ones you haven't seen this year and next year. But you'll""" start="00:13:58.400" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have the time to catch another one live. All right. Yes.""" start="00:14:01.160" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great! For the folks watching, we will be taking a break, a""" start="00:14:04.360" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one hour and one minute break. We'll be back at 1 p.m. EST and I""" start="00:14:09.520" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think if my UTC conversion is working right, it should be 6""" start="00:14:14.040" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""p.m. UTC, so at least in one hour. All right, see you in a bit""" start="00:14:21.480" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""folks! Oh yes, and sorry, I've got a little health speaking""" start="00:14:24.680" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in my ears. In case you're interested in discussing further""" start="00:14:30.160" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole with Mats, Mats is in the room right now and I see""" start="00:14:33.000" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people have joined the BBP chat. So if you want to join and""" start="00:14:36.000" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat directly with Mats, I'm sure Mats would be more than""" start="00:14:39.920" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happy to answer your questions. And obviously everything""" start="00:14:42.440" video="qanda-hyperbole" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been recorded and will be published later on. 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-[[!template text="""answer to that. I, I think the infrastructure for an""" start="00:00:00.089" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""... answer to that. I, I think the infrastructure for an""" start="00:00:00.089" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""ecosystem in Julia in general is as mature as other""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""languages, and even debugger infiltrator themselves are""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""not particularly well developed. And so I don't think""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""there's much we can do about that right now. I think that It's""" start="00:00:15.853" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's much we can do about that right now. I think that it's""" start="00:00:15.853" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""unfortunate that most of the development for these type of""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""tools is tightly linked to VS code. But even there, I don't""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""think that there's much done in terms of interactive""" start="00:00:29.218" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] diff --git a/2024/info/julia-before.md b/2024/info/julia-before.md index 1ceb7e46..fae5750b 100644 --- a/2024/info/julia-before.md +++ b/2024/info/julia-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,18 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 10-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_INDEX_QA +# Talk +
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-[[!template text="""I'm doing well. Thank you so much. I was supposed to chat and""" start="00:00:00.029" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""write down stuff in the etherpad, but you guys accommodated""" start="00:00:02.593" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""me very nicely, swiftly, efficiently, in spite of my quirky""" start="00:00:02.593" video="qanda-learning" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""last minute requests. 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Duration: 24:41 minutes
# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/links-before.md b/2024/info/links-before.md index d424c83c..04ca6179 100644 --- a/2024/info/links-before.md +++ b/2024/info/links-before.md @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@ [[!toc ]] -Format: 12-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad +Format: 12-min talk ; Q&A: ask questions via Etherpad/IRC; we'll e-mail the speaker and post answers on this wiki page after the conference Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP diff --git a/2024/info/literate-after.md b/2024/info/literate-after.md index 11435f00..d51a2c12 100644 --- a/2024/info/literate-after.md +++ b/2024/info/literate-after.md @@ -368,15 +368,15 @@ Captioner: sachac [[!template text="""languages, especially ones that are compiled. I've been""" start="00:08:02.945" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""dabbling with Rust and like, yeah, what can we do to have Rust""" start="00:08:10.150" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""more iterative as well? So...""" start="00:08:10.150" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Do you use inline org function calls in org Babel library? So""" start="00:08:24.144" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I used to do a lot of org Babel libraries to kind of share""" start="00:08:28.687" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you use inline org function calls in Org Babel library? So""" start="00:08:24.144" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I used to do a lot of Org Babel libraries to kind of share""" start="00:08:28.687" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""things.""" start="00:08:28.687" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Yeah. What I. But yeah. Sorry, I'm just kind of thinking""" start="00:08:37.491" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""through here. I've done a lot of it in the past. There were a""" start="00:08:44.716" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""lot of bugs in it. Oh, I don't know, eight years ago when I was""" start="00:08:49.799" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""playing with it. I bet things have improved a lot more and it""" start="00:08:51.760" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""probably saved me a lot more effort. Right now, most of the""" start="00:08:57.063" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""literate DevOps, the DevOps kind of stuff that I'm doing, is""" start="00:09:02.366" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""literate devops, the devops kind of stuff that I'm doing, is""" start="00:09:02.366" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""calling a lot of back-end programs and that sort of thing. So""" start="00:09:10.191" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""the Org Babel kind of has limited help in that regard. And as""" start="00:09:13.533" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""far as my Emacs work, well, it's just part of the session. So""" start="00:09:19.077" video="qanda-literate" id="subtitle"]] diff --git a/2024/info/literate-before.md b/2024/info/literate-before.md index 9ee8fc15..6e80c126 100644 --- a/2024/info/literate-before.md +++ b/2024/info/literate-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,14 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 16-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_INDEX_QA +# Talk +
[[!template id="chapters" vidid="literate-mainVideo" data=""" 00:00.000 Introduction 01:35.253 Do I still literate? @@ -26,5 +28,9 @@ Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page 14:55.800 Summary """]]
Duration: 15:51 minutes
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Duration: 22:48 minutes
# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/maxima-before.md b/2024/info/maxima-before.md index 63a6abdc..b3da3a4d 100644 --- a/2024/info/maxima-before.md +++ b/2024/info/maxima-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,18 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 31-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP +# Talk +
Duration: 30:34 minutes
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# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/mcclim-after.md b/2024/info/mcclim-after.md index 1a80eb4d..85d02503 100644 --- a/2024/info/mcclim-after.md +++ b/2024/info/mcclim-after.md @@ -482,193 +482,193 @@ Captioner: rodrigo

Q&A transcript (unedited)

-[[!template text="""volume of code I've written that.""" start="00:00:00.029" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I will do a follow-up video with the kind of synchronized""" start="00:00:06.578" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""elist mode stuff because that is the point of the talk. Sorry""" start="00:00:06.578" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""for talking over you. Please continue.""" start="00:00:15.670" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Sasha C is saying car kill ring.""" start="00:00:38.632" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Oh, yeah, so this question, they're just asking in the""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Scratchpad, is there any other GUI stuff I've worked on in""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the past? I guess my Tubenix channel, I was doing a bunch of""" start="00:00:54.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that, so just common list development, homed around make""" start="00:01:03.347" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Clem. What is my Tubenix channel? If you find a Tubenix""" start="00:01:03.347" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""channel and it has a name like Screwtape, That'll""" start="00:01:15.416" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""presumably be that. So tube mixes is SDF.org's pure tube.""" start="00:01:21.201" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Nope, not that one.""" start="00:01:28.686" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Sasha's got it here in the IRC. I think it's""" start="00:01:35.811" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""screw tape underscore channels slash videos. Yeah. So the""" start="00:01:38.053" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""author of Mastodon L, which hopefully lots of us are using""" start="00:01:47.330" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""for our mastodoning, I used the name Screwtape as my""" start="00:01:47.330" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""username, and I think Wintermute said some kind of""" start="00:01:56.061" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""exasperated Emacs theme. You know what? Screw Lisp. Then""" start="00:01:56.061" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Mousebot of Mastodon L rechristened me Screw Lisp. So""" start="00:02:05.826" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""sometimes you see my name written one way, and sometimes you""" start="00:02:09.568" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""see my name written the other way. I quite like it. A lot of""" start="00:02:09.568" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""people thought that I was quitting Emacs when I changed my""" start="00:02:15.150" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""name to be mainly Screw Lisp. I love it. That's a great story.""" start="00:02:15.150" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Thank you. It's so great to have a name from somebody else. I""" start="00:02:23.435" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""was just thrilled. So thank you, Mousespot. Everyone use""" start="00:02:27.322" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Mousespot's mode. Welcome to Green Guest. I'm with you""" start="00:02:29.462" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""there. All my kids want to choose their own names, and I'm""" start="00:02:34.664" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""just like, more power to you. I'm very glad that my parents""" start="00:02:35.624" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""picked mine for me, and that's one thing I never had to think""" start="00:02:39.845" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""about. All right, so do we have to cut short so I can go back to""" start="00:02:39.845" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""watching MPV? of the other stuff. We don't have to, but you""" start="00:02:46.587" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are not obligated to sit here one moment more answering our""" start="00:02:53.728" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""questions than, you know, but of course, you know, we've""" start="00:02:53.728" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""talked a little before, but I, so I have a pile of questions.""" start="00:02:53.728" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""You promised to come on the Lispy Gopher show. That's right.""" start="00:03:07.098" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I have so much to say. I could, I could, I could come right on""" start="00:03:10.341" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""your show and just talk to you there, but I'm just curious.""" start="00:03:11.582" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Talk to us a little bit about that. Tell us more about the""" start="00:03:16.065" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""program. Oh, the Lispy Gopher climate. What do we do? So it's""" start="00:03:17.967" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""hosted by the Superdimensional Fortress, SDF.org, who are""" start="00:03:23.090" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""a public access Unix mainly. They do their own little radio""" start="00:03:23.090" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""thing as well. And so I guess for a few years now, I do a weekly""" start="00:03:31.533" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""show every zero hundred hours UTC. We always start off with""" start="00:03:34.794" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""kind of climate crisis topics, because that is a climate""" start="00:03:44.736" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""crisis topic. But there's a sort of joy in that, because Kent""" start="00:03:44.736" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Pittman, who Kent Pittman you're familiar with from the""" start="00:03:50.199" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Pitt Manual and so forth, writes a kind of climate crisis""" start="00:03:50.199" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""haiku, which we kind of lead out with, and we kind of go into""" start="00:03:50.199" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the discussions there. Then obviously the show has- It's a""" start="00:03:50.199" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""highlight, not gonna lie. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I try and do""" start="00:04:09.109" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""these dramatic readings, but it's often stumble over.""" start="00:04:13.914" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Actually, when Sasha was on, there was an auxiliary poem""" start="00:04:19.155" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that happened, which was pretty interesting, too. What was""" start="00:04:19.155" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I going to say? Then, I mean, the way we got named the Lispy""" start="00:04:27.977" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Gopher Climate was because, broadly speaking, I like to""" start="00:04:28.757" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""talk about kind of lisp, and most of my writing for a long time""" start="00:04:28.757" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""was on the gopher. Though I accidentally locked myself out""" start="00:04:28.757" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of the gopher recently, so there hasn't been an update there""" start="00:04:39.380" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""for a while. I'm kind of around the IRCs and Mastodon quite a""" start="00:04:39.380" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""bit now. LISP, I like to use the term LISP inclusively,""" start="00:04:48.214" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""basically. Obviously this talk, I was making the point that""" start="00:04:53.918" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I just could go through a 1978 paper written in, and so pre-D""" start="00:04:57.340" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""machine inter-LISP, right? And it basically just worked in""" start="00:04:57.340" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""modern Emacs LISP. Somebody was pointing out to me, who""" start="00:05:07.787" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pointed out where I was like, I don't know what PUT is in,""" start="00:05:11.910" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in Emacs Lisp, and somebody was saying definitely there's""" start="00:05:20.194" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""put in Emacs Lisp. So I'm going to come back to the recording""" start="00:05:20.194" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of this talk, and I'm going to just pinpoint this moment the""" start="00:05:25.077" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""next time somebody says, we need to modernize Lisp. I'm""" start="00:05:25.077" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""going to say, no, no, no, this is modern Emacs Lisp. You see,""" start="00:05:34.321" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""here's people talking about, yeah, I'm just tripping over,""" start="00:05:37.383" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""not tripping over, I'm amused by your phrase there, but""" start="00:05:37.383" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that's exactly how I see it too. And I take your point utterly""" start="00:05:37.383" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that, you know, this tradition of Lisp of carrying forward""" start="00:05:46.728" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""ideas. And, you know, we, you know, especially in Emacs, it""" start="00:05:49.509" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""really is like a brain trust, right? Buckets of knowledge of""" start="00:05:54.532" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""how to get some sort of work done, or, you know, how to work""" start="00:05:59.856" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with some kind of code or some kind of data. Yeah, but I had a""" start="00:05:59.856" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""kind of, Interesting experience with some great friends of""" start="00:06:06.400" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""mine, whom I love dearly. Vidak, if you're watching this,""" start="00:06:09.902" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I'm gossiping about you people over in Australia there.""" start="00:06:13.625" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Where people come to you with really exciting ideas that""" start="00:06:21.592" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""seem to be very cutting edge and like, you know, very much the""" start="00:06:21.592" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""current talk of the day, like you can hear in other""" start="00:06:29.767" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""programming languages, and they're telling you how they""" start="00:06:29.767" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""think you might be able to do this in Lisp. And you have to say,""" start="00:06:29.767" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""well, you know, if we go back to the late 70s, where the Lisp""" start="00:06:38.539" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""community really kind of pioneered this topic already.""" start="00:06:38.539" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Here's how we did it in the late 70s. And there's actually""" start="00:06:48.231" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""quite a kind of awkward, just kind of disjunction there. I""" start="00:06:50.753" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""mean, that's the thing, right? Where use of Emacs in""" start="00:06:56.039" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""particular use of Lisp in general will unravel somebody's""" start="00:06:57.460" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""whole big bag of wind that they've built up around why""" start="00:06:57.460" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""something has to be rebuilt and well right but that's just a""" start="00:07:04.407" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""function you know it's data so we'll probably just think""" start="00:07:04.407" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""about that as I don't know sitting in a variable.""" start="00:07:04.407" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Oh, so that whole problem, like the elegance of a solution""" start="00:07:18.354" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""can entirely fall away once you fall back to an earlier way of""" start="00:07:18.354" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""thinking about it. 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So to speak, you're like, you're totally""" start="00:13:20.800" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""welcome to use our chat like it to the extent you need to IRC""" start="00:13:23.880" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""channel that's been working on great for me. It's fun to fun""" start="00:13:26.680" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to see it.""" start="00:13:29.040" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, I'm gonna hang up this thing. All right. Happy day""" start="00:13:30.640" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""flowy. Sorry, I mean, screwlisp. Oh my gosh, I have""" start="00:13:39.320" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference brain. Bye bye. All right, later, later.""" start="00:13:44.120" video="qanda-mcclim" id="subtitle"]]
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Duration: 34:29 minutes
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+ +[[!template text="""I believe we are live, so hi again folks and welcome to a""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little bit of an unstructured time that we wanted to have for""" start="00:00:08.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this particular EmacsConf. We have a bit of a lighter""" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""afternoon compared to previous years and we just thought it""" start="00:00:15.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be a nice opportunity for us and for you to join if""" start="00:00:19.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you've got anything to share like you wanted maybe to have a""" start="00:00:24.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk this year but haven't had the time to submit a""" start="00:00:27.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation well now's your time think of it more like the""" start="00:00:29.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""traditional workshops that Emacs Paris or Emacs Berlin""" start="00:00:32.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tends to run so if you've got anything to share we've made""" start="00:00:36.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure to publish the link to this room on IRC and perhaps as""" start="00:00:39.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well on the website And yeah, it's just a moment for you. If""" start="00:00:43.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a little slow because people do not join, we might start""" start="00:00:49.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chatting a little bit about Emacs Conf in general, and""" start="00:00:53.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps take a little bit of advance on the closing remarks""" start="00:00:56.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the day, just so that I can go to bed early. But otherwise,""" start="00:00:59.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the mic is yours.""" start="00:01:04.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Does any of my fellow co-organizers want to maybe join in and""" start="00:01:10.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say a word? Maybe you, Corwin?""" start="00:01:14.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Who, me? No, I usually just sit here quietly. You know me,""" start="00:01:19.120" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo. Nothing to say to me. I see Karthik here.""" start="00:01:23.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Karthik has joined the chat. We can see what Karthik has been""" start="00:01:31.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""up to.""" start="00:01:35.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, everyone. Hi. Hey, I hear you.""" start="00:01:44.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there anything you wanted to share, Karthik?""" start="00:01:53.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nothing in particular, but if people suggest topics and""" start="00:01:58.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have something to say or show off, then I'll jump in. Right,""" start="00:02:01.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're coming in as someone who wants to react to stuff, not""" start="00:02:06.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""someone who wants to present, but that's completely fine""" start="00:02:10.640" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too. But that means that we are still stopped for people who""" start="00:02:12.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to chat. We're still pointing fingers at people in the""" start="00:02:15.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat, otherwise.""" start="00:02:18.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, and if you're watching and you want to. Yep. If you, I""" start="00:02:36.320" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was just going to say, if, uh, if you're watching the stream""" start="00:02:40.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you'd like to get involved, uh, you can join, uh,""" start="00:02:42.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""libera.chat on IRC and join the emacsconf-gen channel. Um, uh, or,""" start="00:02:45.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, just, just, uh, reach out in one of those channels and,""" start="00:02:53.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we'll, we'll, we'll ship you a link to join in the BBB""" start="00:02:57.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. I'm not sure if that got auto published. I didn't see it""" start="00:03:01.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the website.""" start="00:03:05.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] + +
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I'm not""" start="00:03:37.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure, but it's a completion engine in separate packages,""" start="00:03:40.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very similar to what people may be more familiar with, i.e.""" start="00:03:44.440" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Ivy, Helm, ido, all those tools. But I'm old school and I""" start="00:03:49.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still use Hydra when it comes to interaction. 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I miss that guy""" start="00:26:28.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks so much For all of you've done over the years. Yeah""" start="00:26:31.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm sorry, you can't make it this year and I'm actually have""" start="00:26:38.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personally having a lot of fun covering for me for you It""" start="00:26:41.280" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gives me a A lot of little things that I've picked up how to do,""" start="00:26:44.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm actually getting to do a little bit of. So fun stuff for""" start="00:26:48.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me, but miss you. 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Also thanks to""" start="00:38:21.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bhavin Gandhi, Christopher Howard, Joseph Turner and""" start="00:38:26.200" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Screwless for quality checking the videos in the""" start="00:38:28.760" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""backstage. Thanks obviously to Shoshin for the music that""" start="00:38:30.960" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has been accompanying us during the breaks. We've""" start="00:38:34.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned him already, but thanks to Amin Bandali for help""" start="00:38:37.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with infrastructure and communication. Thanks to Ry P for""" start="00:38:41.040" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the server that we're using for OBS streaming and for""" start="00:38:45.000" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""processing the videos. That's part of the reason why we are""" start="00:38:47.680" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""able to get the titles out so fast. And Corwin already""" start="00:38:50.720" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mentioned the FSF but thanks to the Free Software""" start="00:38:55.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Foundation for Emacs itself, the mailing list,""" start="00:38:57.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""media.emacs.org server where we host the conferences. We""" start="00:39:01.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might have a little word about donations and funding the FSF""" start="00:39:05.600" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later in the afternoon. I'll make sure that Corbyn""" start="00:39:10.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gets to it. But finally, thanks to the many users and""" start="00:39:14.160" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commuters to the project and team that create all the""" start="00:39:17.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""awesome free software that we use, especially""" start="00:39:20.480" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""BigBlueButton, Etherpad, IceCast, OBS, The Lounge,""" start="00:39:22.880" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LiberaChat, FFmpeg, OpenAI, Whisper, WhisperX, and the""" start="00:39:26.240" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Aeneas Forced Alignment Tool site transfer sub. Anyway,""" start="00:39:30.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're going to get started with the next talk of the day.""" start="00:39:33.920" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We'll continue with the thankings later on. Enjoy the""" start="00:39:35.560" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference. Thanks for tuning in, really appreciate you.""" start="00:39:38.080" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, we are off air.""" start="00:39:43.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I will go back to Mumble now.""" start="00:39:45.509" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right. That was pretty good.""" start="00:39:45.543" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was good, right?""" start="00:39:51.735" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that was good. I'm glad we did that.""" start="00:39:52.876" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for that. I'm hoping we would do.""" start="00:39:55.859" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, sorry. For the people who are still in chat, right now""" start="00:39:59.400" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we are moving to the next live talk, so feel free to join us""" start="00:40:02.800" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later. We might stay in this room, we do not know, but we'll""" start="00:40:06.360" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see you later anyway. Okay, bye-bye.""" start="00:40:08.840" video="mainVideo-open-mic" id="subtitle"]] + +
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-[[!template text="""and I believe we are live. Hi, Eric, how are you doing? Very""" start="00:00:05.945" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""well, thanks. It's a pleasure to have you as one of our""" start="00:00:09.709" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""speakers but it's also very nice to see you present about""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""PGMAX because I found your talk to be very didactic and very""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""visual. So thank you for taking the time to do a very nice""" start="00:00:12.921" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""presentation. I wanted to give the opportunity as I do with""" start="00:00:24.891" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""other speakers to maybe talk about some stuff that you could""" start="00:00:28.994" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""not include into the talk because of the format. So is there""" start="00:00:28.994" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""anything you'd like to share with the viewers that you""" start="00:00:38.781" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""weren't able to include?""" start="00:00:38.781" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Oh, I think I gave most of the most of the relevant""" start="00:00:45.447" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""information. This is a fairly young application. I've been""" start="00:00:45.447" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""developing this since roughly the beginning of the year. So""" start="00:00:54.849" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""there are probably some rough edges that people will run""" start="00:00:57.749" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""into if they use Postgres differently from what I do. Or they""" start="00:00:57.749" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""hear maybe conflicts with some other Emacs packages that""" start="00:01:06.651" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""people use that I don't use. So I would really welcome people""" start="00:01:06.651" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""trying it out and sending out bug reports if they do""" start="00:01:15.249" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""encounter some. Yeah, I mean, it's usually... Go on,""" start="00:01:15.249" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""please. Yeah, that would certainly help to make sure it's""" start="00:01:21.213" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""nice and robust. And of course, if you're letting this loose""" start="00:01:25.676" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""on some production database that you might have, you want""" start="00:01:29.878" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this to be quite robust, obviously. Yeah, indeed. Because""" start="00:01:29.878" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""usually, you know, when you start publishing packages like""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this, that's when you realize that it has bad interaction""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with other modes in the IMAX of other persons. But""" start="00:01:40.959" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""especially when you're dealing with databases, you also""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""realize that the domain space of what you're trying to do""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""with your mode also is hugely dependent on what people have""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in their database, which schema they have. So, indeed, if""" start="00:01:49.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you have been interested, and I think plenty of people have""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""been interested by what you've presented, part of the""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""reason a software becomes great is that you've got plenty of""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""people making bug reports and making sure that all the""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""faults have been ironed out. So, you know what your task is. I""" start="00:02:01.910" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""will also ask you, particularly right now, people""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""currently viewing, to add your questions on the pad as""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""usual, because you've had plenty of nice reactions, but I'm""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""sure you have plenty of questions as well. So Eric, what I'll""" start="00:02:18.719" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""be doing, I'll be reading you the questions so that it's a""" start="00:02:29.965" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""little more didactic. Starting with the first one. This is""" start="00:02:29.965" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""brilliant, thank you. Do you know if PGMAX works with Tramp?""" start="00:02:37.088" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""I often use Tramp multi-app to access databases both""" start="00:02:41.130" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""remotely when accessing via Bastion server and locally""" start="00:02:41.130" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""when using OCI containers. I believe you've already""" start="00:02:41.130" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""answered but if you could just perhaps read your answer as""" start="00:02:48.933" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""well for everyone to benefit from it. Yep, sure, that's my""" start="00:02:48.933" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""comment indeed. So I haven't currently implemented any""" start="00:02:57.307" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Tramp support. I'm not sure that Tramp is really useful for""" start="00:03:00.189" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this type of situation, because as I understand it, Tramp is""" start="00:03:03.172" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""establishing SSH connections itself to remote servers.""" start="00:03:03.172" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""PGMAX is doing the same thing, so it doesn't currently have""" start="00:03:17.183" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""any support for hooking in with the Tramp support. Right.""" start="00:03:17.183" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Pardon me if I missed the presentation. Oh, go on, please. I""" start="00:03:27.483" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""guess you could set up an SSH tunnel. It does work with an SSH""" start="00:03:31.365" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""tunnel, obviously, but there's no support for hooking into""" start="00:03:33.266" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""an SSH tunnel that Tramp might be able to create. I'm not sure""" start="00:03:33.266" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Tramp actually uses SSH tunnels rather than direct""" start="00:03:43.412" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""commands, but anyway. Yeah, I think that might be useful.""" start="00:03:43.412" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah, I don't know either. I don't have the answer whether""" start="00:03:52.466" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Trump actually can create tunnels like this. I'm usually""" start="00:03:53.528" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""used to Trump connecting to an endpoint, be it a directory or""" start="00:03:58.074" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""a file, and the tunnel is just you accessing the file. But""" start="00:03:58.074" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""usually, if you're trying to access a remote Postgres""" start="00:04:05.744" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""database, you would probably manage the port forwarding in""" start="00:04:05.744" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""a separate terminal just to be able to make sure that""" start="00:04:09.870" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""everything maps correctly to your machine, and then you""" start="00:04:09.870" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""would launch PGMAX with the forward port information.""" start="00:04:09.870" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""That's, I assume, how you would do it anyway. But yeah, I""" start="00:04:21.998" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""mean, if you could specify what you mean by TREM support and""" start="00:04:24.420" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""if you have something specific in mind, I'm talking to the""" start="00:04:24.420" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""questioner, feel free to specify and we'll see if you can""" start="00:04:24.420" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""answer it. But in the meantime, moving to the next question.""" start="00:04:24.420" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Great work, I'm impressed. How did you come up with this""" start="00:04:39.450" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""brilliant idea, I assume, to create PGMAX? Well, thanks for""" start="00:04:40.991" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the compliment. It's a lot of fun developing something""" start="00:04:47.516" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""which is, as I said, such a small amount of code and which""" start="00:04:49.737" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""provides quite a bit of useful functionality. In""" start="00:04:49.737" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""particular, if you compare it with existing Terminal mode""" start="00:05:02.307" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""applications for manipulating Postgres data, they are""" start="00:05:05.563" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""not as extensible as Emacs is naturally. So I actually got""" start="00:05:05.563" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the idea for developing this when I first tested out the""" start="00:05:17.834" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""SQLite mode, which is available in Emacs 29.1.""" start="00:05:17.834" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""And I thought, well, that's really quite impressive. And it""" start="00:05:29.076" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""allows you to delete rows and insert content and so on. And I""" start="00:05:31.757" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""was thinking, yeah, Emacs is a, is a useful environment to do""" start="00:05:36.798" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that. And since several years ago, when I was doing my PhD, so""" start="00:05:36.798" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""to avoid doing my PhD, I was developing Emacs, I was""" start="00:05:43.260" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""developing stuff in Emacs Lisp and one of the libraries I""" start="00:05:43.260" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""developed was an interface to Postgres over the network. So""" start="00:05:57.541" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that's the library called pg.el, which is used by pgmax to""" start="00:06:02.685" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""access Postgres and to do all the parsing of data which""" start="00:06:02.685" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""arrives in Postgres formats into the Emacs Lisp into the""" start="00:06:02.685" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Emacs corresponding versions. So, for example, integers""" start="00:06:19.591" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""are passed as Emacs integers, floating point numbers as""" start="00:06:21.673" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""floating point numbers, and so on. Right, yeah. I mean, it's""" start="00:06:21.673" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""pretty needed, obviously, when you have such a tooling like""" start="00:06:30.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""this, to make sure that the type conversion works properly,""" start="00:06:30.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""because the types that you have in Postgres do not""" start="00:06:30.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""necessarily map over to what we have in Emacs. Like, I'm""" start="00:06:30.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""interested, how would you handle g's and b columns in PgMax?""" start="00:06:43.610" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""JSON is mapped to an edis dict, a dictionary.""" start="00:06:51.098" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""It depends on the top level object type for your JSON column.""" start="00:06:57.179" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""If it's an array, it's mapped to an Emacs lisp array. If it's a""" start="00:07:03.821" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""dict, which is most common, it's mapped to an Emacs lisp""" start="00:07:07.062" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""dictionary. All right, well it makes perfect sense. So I can""" start="00:07:07.062" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""break in with a question. Thanks, I just held myself to the""" start="00:07:17.439" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""BBB privilege of kind of running around backstage, being a""" start="00:07:20.543" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""helper backstage. So thanks for your awesome talk, Eric. I""" start="00:07:20.543" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""super appreciated it. You know, I noticed that you that""" start="00:07:31.554" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you're on a slightly older version of Emacs that I deal with""" start="00:07:39.184" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""in helping with producing the Windows binaries I run into""" start="00:07:39.184" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""and with some other stuff I do. I'm dealing with that""" start="00:07:39.184" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""friction of sometimes I've got some work of my own that""" start="00:07:53.170" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""applies against a specific version of Emacs and it's a bunch""" start="00:07:53.170" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""of work to think about moving it forward. Just curious if you""" start="00:07:53.170" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""started thinking about that or if you routine, if that's a""" start="00:08:01.814" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""routine that you haven't done or there's something maybe""" start="00:08:05.015" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""specifically going on with, you know, with trunk""" start="00:08:05.015" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""development that looks intimidating to deal with. 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It feels like Asking""" start="00:15:58.604" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""the maintainers to give up on some of their corporate...""" start="00:16:21.275" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Indeed. Yeah, I see where that's a little beyond our scope,""" start="00:16:21.275" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""but it's a fascinating topic and I appreciate your sharing""" start="00:16:27.362" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""your views there. I mean, that sounds like a whole topic of""" start="00:16:27.362" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""its own, frankly.""" start="00:16:34.251" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""Yeah. Corbyn, do you want to fill the last question? Sure. 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Yeah, and thank""" start="00:19:03.584" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""you for answering them and for the presentation as well. So""" start="00:19:06.326" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""we'll be moving in about two minutes to the next talk, which""" start="00:19:09.909" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""is pre-recorded as well. Well, we didn't really give you the""" start="00:19:09.909" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""chance, Eric, to have the last word. So do you have any last""" start="00:19:17.175" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""word?""" start="00:19:20.698" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""please try it out, try out PGMax and send some feedback""" start="00:19:30.503" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] -[[!template text="""that'll help improve it over time. Sure, great. 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So with PG eMAX,""" start="00:10:45.360" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""considering complex pipelines to get to the end""" start="00:10:49.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""destination, it feels like it would be possible to do""" start="00:10:51.880" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something. But perhaps it's not the responsibility of""" start="00:10:54.680" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pgmacs, perhaps it's the responsibility of another,""" start="00:10:57.440" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps something that would target TRAMP more so than""" start="00:11:00.200" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pgmacs. But it's nice to see again how the beauty of Emacs""" start="00:11:03.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that everything is Elisp at the end, and the way they""" start="00:11:08.400" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interact, you might want to question yourself whether this""" start="00:11:12.120" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""belongs more to pgmacs or more to TRAMP, but at the end of the""" start="00:11:16.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""day, both applications will be able to benefit from the""" start="00:11:18.920" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functions of the other. So that's the beauty of the""" start="00:11:22.440" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""philosophy right here. I do see... 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And for some reason that I haven't understood,""" start="00:11:46.840" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pgmacs is quite a bit slower when it's even connecting to the""" start="00:11:50.440" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same database on the local machine, but via Emacs' network""" start="00:11:55.120" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""support instead of via the Unix socket support. there is""" start="00:12:00.360" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a factor 10 difference in throughput and in latency. I""" start="00:12:05.040" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't really understand why currently, because it's using""" start="00:12:11.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exactly the same Emacs Lisp level primitives. 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So it might be difficult to have something that""" start="00:14:42.280" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really works with generic queries in an effective way. All""" start="00:14:45.880" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these SQL dialects are a little bit different,""" start="00:14:53.160" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately. So there was another question about I was""" start="00:14:58.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just going to read out the next question. So have you thought""" start="00:15:02.320" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about integrating your work into the Emacs tree? Do you know""" start="00:15:07.520" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if people are interested? This was a question from the past.""" start="00:15:12.560" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I think it's probably a bit young to do so, so far.""" start="00:15:17.600" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm updating it quite regularly. Maybe once it's more""" start="00:15:24.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stabilized, I wouldn't necessarily object to this. I have""" start="00:15:30.120" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some sort of philosophical objections to giving away my""" start="00:15:35.400" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copyright, so I'm not sure that will actually be possible.""" start="00:15:38.560" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, that'd be interesting. I'd love to get you on maybe a""" start="00:15:42.520" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""panel talk about that sometime. Something I'd think about.""" start="00:15:48.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, from a very simple point of view, I think that the""" start="00:15:51.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""copyright and the system works well with the existing""" start="00:15:56.000" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""license and without a license transfer, so I don't feel that""" start="00:16:01.160" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, sorry, without a copyright transfer, I don't feel that""" start="00:16:05.320" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the copyright transfer is really a necessary step for""" start="00:16:09.600" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking things away from maintainers. It feels like Asking""" start="00:16:14.680" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the maintainers to give up on some of their corporate...""" start="00:16:21.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Indeed. Yeah, I see where that's a little beyond our scope,""" start="00:16:26.560" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's a fascinating topic and I appreciate your sharing""" start="00:16:30.000" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your views there. I mean, that sounds like a whole topic of""" start="00:16:33.520" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its own, frankly.""" start="00:16:36.960" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. Corbyn, do you want to fill the last question? Sure. So""" start="00:16:41.600" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question was, I almost missed this one, so glad I didn't.""" start="00:16:47.040" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This may have been answered already. What do you use for""" start="00:16:52.040" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in-buffer tables? Do you use vtable? Yep. Thanks for the""" start="00:16:55.160" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. It is indeed vtable. However, it's not really""" start="00:17:00.040" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""vtable. It's a fork that I made, which is called pgmix table.""" start="00:17:04.600" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because Vtable doesn't have exactly the right""" start="00:17:10.920" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality in particular for recoloring rows when you""" start="00:17:17.200" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add a row. So I've currently forked this. I'm thinking about""" start="00:17:22.120" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""giving those back as patches to Vtable, plausibly.""" start="00:17:28.240" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that there is some ongoing work also on vTable in the""" start="00:17:36.360" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core. So I'll have to look at what is plausible to feed back""" start="00:17:40.720" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the main version.""" start="00:17:45.840" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, great. I think we are nearing the end of the Q&A. We""" start="00:17:46.720" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are due to move to the next talk in about three minutes now. I""" start="00:17:55.200" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can fill 30 seconds or a minute of that with I guess one more""" start="00:17:59.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe back and forth and I'll try to be quicker this time.""" start="00:18:02.720" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First of all, thanks for your kind remarks. But my question""" start="00:18:05.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't really about Windows so much, it was just how I'm""" start="00:18:08.880" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relating So have you, let me put it more simply, have you""" start="00:18:11.840" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""started looking at integrating with EMAX 30 or with the""" start="00:18:16.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""master branch at all? Do you have any sense of how much work""" start="00:18:20.640" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's going to be for you to carry things forward there? I've""" start="00:18:24.680" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tested it with the pre-release, yes. I mean, just a very""" start="00:18:27.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basic testing and everything works perfectly. There's""" start="00:18:31.040" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really no... There was no difference that I have noticed""" start="00:18:35.080" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between 29.4 and the 30 pre-release on the aspects that I use""" start="00:18:39.800" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least in Emacs. Neato.""" start="00:18:46.280" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That was it, Leo. Thanks for letting me back in for one more""" start="00:18:48.960" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bite at the apple there. And I appreciate everybody tuning""" start="00:18:56.440" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in and participating in the Q&A and this awesome talk.""" start="00:18:58.800" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for your questions. That was great. Yeah, and thank""" start="00:19:03.480" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you for answering them and for the presentation as well. So""" start="00:19:06.880" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll be moving in about two minutes to the next talk, which""" start="00:19:10.320" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is pre-recorded as well. Well, we didn't really give you the""" start="00:19:14.200" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chance, Eric, to have the last word. So do you have any last""" start="00:19:20.160" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""word?""" start="00:19:29.400" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please try it out, try out pgmacs and send some feedback""" start="00:19:29.800" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that'll help improve it over time. Sure, great. Well, thank""" start="00:19:34.480" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so much, Eric, for taking the time to come to the""" start="00:19:39.280" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference, and we'll see you soon. Thank you. Bye,""" start="00:19:41.560" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. Bye. And we'll be live with the next talk in about 1""" start="00:19:46.000" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minute 30. So we'll take a little bit of a breather, go make""" start="00:19:50.280" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some coffee, go take a bio break. We'll be back soon. See you""" start="00:19:53.120" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in a bit.""" start="00:19:56.600" video="qanda-pgmacs" id="subtitle"]]
Questions or comments? Please e-mail [eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org](mailto:eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20pgmacs%3A%20PGmacs%3A%20browsing%20and%20editing%20PostgreSQL%20databases%20from%20Emacs) diff --git a/2024/info/pgmacs-before.md b/2024/info/pgmacs-before.md index a59c6e33..3445acfe 100644 --- a/2024/info/pgmacs-before.md +++ b/2024/info/pgmacs-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,14 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 14-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_INDEX_QA +# Talk +
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Duration: 13:17 minutes
+ +# Q&A + +
Duration: 20:02 minutes
# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/info/regex-before.md b/2024/info/regex-before.md index f9966075..039ffe62 100644 --- a/2024/info/regex-before.md +++ b/2024/info/regex-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 25-min talk ; Q&A: IRC Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP diff --git a/2024/info/sat-open-before.md b/2024/info/sat-open-before.md index 13dbdbf0..9e2cb225 100644 --- a/2024/info/sat-open-before.md +++ b/2024/info/sat-open-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 5-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP diff --git a/2024/info/sharing-before.md b/2024/info/sharing-before.md index ba65086c..194363b5 100644 --- a/2024/info/sharing-before.md +++ b/2024/info/sharing-before.md @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 22-min talk ; Q&A: Etherpad Etherpad: -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_FOLLOW_UP diff --git a/2024/info/students-after.md b/2024/info/students-after.md index 9a448289..1f7e8dd8 100644 --- a/2024/info/students-after.md +++ b/2024/info/students-after.md @@ -161,6 +161,256 @@ [[!template text="""back. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me an""" start="00:08:21.200" video="mainVideo-students" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""email. Thank you for your time.""" start="00:08:24.240" video="mainVideo-students" id="subtitle"]] +

Q&A transcript (unedited)

+ +[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Hi, Daniel, how are you doing? I'm""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing great. It's cold outside, but it's nice in here, yeah.""" start="00:00:11.120" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can assure you it's very cold in my own place as well. We do""" start="00:00:17.200" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf always in December and that's always when it's""" start="00:00:21.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly cold where I live and I assume where you live as""" start="00:00:24.680" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. So, don't worry, we'll try to keep you warm with""" start="00:00:27.480" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting questions. But first, thank you for taking the""" start="00:00:31.040" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time out of your busy high school life to make a presentation""" start="00:00:35.040" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Emacs. Do you have any thoughts about the process of""" start="00:00:38.360" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recording something for a conference? Because I assume""" start="00:00:41.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's one of the first ones you're ever doing.""" start="00:00:44.400" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I just""" start="00:00:47.280" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recorded in my basement and prepared some notes""" start="00:00:55.880" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beforehand. I think it was definitely helpful to have Emacs""" start="00:01:04.480" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a tool for that, because I made my presentation with""" start="00:01:08.640" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Beamer. Right. I mean, it's amazing to see so many of the""" start="00:01:11.960" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools because, you know, you've shown Emacs, but you've""" start="00:01:18.560" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""shown Beamer. You've shown tools that are about twice as old""" start="00:01:22.520" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you are yourself, which is amazing when you think about""" start="00:01:27.400" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. 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It""" start="00:12:09.520" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""somehow just clicked one day and I figured it out.""" start="00:12:14.200" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, it takes us pretty naturally to the next one. How""" start="00:12:18.040" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did you come across Emacs? What got you into it? I could ask""" start="00:12:24.400" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this question quite""" start="00:12:39.640" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to how I stumbled into Linux, where I was... 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And""" start="00:13:18.360" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Orgzly is, sorry, was it not Doomcast? Is it System Crafters?""" start="00:13:21.000" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry if I botched the note. Oh yeah, System Crafters was""" start="00:13:26.600" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also one of the things I used for getting into Emacs from""" start="00:13:31.280" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scratch. I'm sorry if my dog is barking.""" start="00:13:34.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, I'm not sure how to pronounce his name, but Protesilaos,""" start="00:13:36.680" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's how you say it. I always say Prot just to get me""" start="00:13:40.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of that problem for what it's worth. 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I mean, you said it pretty well,""" start="00:18:33.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? I hope my peers see this. I hope they realize other""" start="00:18:41.720" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools are kind of inferior from a get things done""" start="00:18:46.640" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""standpoint. Saw your talk. Heard that message in this Q&A.""" start="00:18:49.880" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think you did a great job. You don't have to say more, but""" start="00:18:54.640" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just offering you the chance. Thank you. Well, thank you,""" start="00:18:58.160" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Daniel. And thanks to everybody watching this video during""" start="00:19:03.480" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the conference or after it. And appreciate and look forward""" start="00:19:07.440" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to your talks in the future, Daniel. Thank you.""" start="00:19:12.160" video="qanda-students" id="subtitle"]] +
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