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Hi again, everyone.""" start="00:00:03.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while. Well,""" start="00:00:04.640" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually, it's been like 2 minutes tops.""" start="00:00:06.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We were just with John Wheatley,""" start="00:00:08.599" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and now we are with Stefan Krangas.""" start="00:00:10.519" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi. Hi. So as we said before,""" start="00:00:15.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stefan is co-maintainer now of Is it the""" start="00:00:20.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""entire Emacs project? How do you describe""" start="00:00:22.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this? Yeah, co-maintainer of GNU Emacs.""" start="00:00:25.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right, perfect. So you know what?""" start="00:00:29.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because I'm sure everyone is dying to hear""" start="00:00:31.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything you've got to say in your""" start="00:00:33.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation I'm just going to shut up now""" start="00:00:35.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and leave the floor to you.""" start="00:00:37.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you need to share your screen or anything?""" start="00:00:38.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No. Okay great well I'll just cut my webcam""" start="00:00:44.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""off I'll still be in the background so do not""" start="00:00:46.879" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hesitate if you've got any problem I'm still""" start="00:00:48.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around And I'll see you just beacon whenever""" start="00:00:52.239" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're done. And I'll show up with the""" start="00:00:53.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions. All right? Thank you,""" start="00:00:55.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Leo. And thank you, everyone,""" start="00:00:58.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being here. I'm Stefan Kangas.""" start="00:01:01.879" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So as Leo explained, I am recently appointed""" start="00:01:06.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a co-maintainer of GNU Emacs,""" start="00:01:09.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which a role that I'm fulfilling currently""" start="00:01:12.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Eli Sretsky, who's been co-maintainer""" start="00:01:16.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for quite some time. So I got the question to""" start="00:01:23.140" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be a co-maintainer from Richard in August""" start="00:01:26.400" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this year. And of course,""" start="00:01:28.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you get a question like that,""" start="00:01:30.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I couldn't not say yes.""" start="00:01:33.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So here we are. I can't tell you how excited""" start="00:01:38.940" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am to have this opportunity to address the""" start="00:01:44.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this way.""" start="00:01:46.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm really humbled, of course,""" start="00:01:49.300" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to be part of it, and to be able to serve the""" start="00:01:54.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community in this capacity.""" start="00:01:58.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've used Emacs, I think many of you might""" start="00:02:03.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also have used Emacs for quite some time,""" start="00:02:06.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'm going on 2 decades as an Emacs user.""" start="00:02:10.600" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My involvement in Emacs Lisp development is,""" start="00:02:14.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, almost as long,""" start="00:02:15.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but my core development goes back only 4,""" start="00:02:19.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""5 years. I have to also thank the EmacsConf""" start="00:02:26.200" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organizers who are doing,""" start="00:02:28.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, a tremendous job and have done a""" start="00:02:31.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tremendous job over the years in really""" start="00:02:34.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""building and strengthening what I think is""" start="00:02:37.300" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this fantastic community of users and""" start="00:02:41.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developers and people interested in Emacs.""" start="00:02:45.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I actually had the chance to meet up with Eli""" start="00:02:49.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sretzky, as well as another Emacs hacker,""" start="00:02:53.200" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Andrea Corallo, when I was at the GNU""" start="00:02:56.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project's 40 years celebration,""" start="00:02:59.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""40 years since the GNU project was announced.""" start="00:03:03.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it was very inspiring in general to meet""" start="00:03:08.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people. And I think EmacsConf should also,""" start="00:03:12.280" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think, serve to inspire and sort of help""" start="00:03:17.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bring something to the type of work that many""" start="00:03:21.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of us are doing to improve Emacs,""" start="00:03:23.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whether it's in package development or in""" start="00:03:26.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core, to bring out the new and exciting ideas""" start="00:03:29.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and get people enthusiastic about Emacs,""" start="00:03:33.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about hacking on Emacs.""" start="00:03:37.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is my little attempt to contribute with""" start="00:03:44.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""let's say 2 things. 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I will also try to present some""" start="00:04:12.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of vision for what Emacs could be with""" start="00:04:17.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your help. Emacs is already very good,""" start="00:04:21.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as we all know, but we could be even better.""" start="00:04:26.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's the reality of any type of software""" start="00:04:29.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development. 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Not many projects actually can claim""" start="00:07:25.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that type of longevity.""" start="00:07:28.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Emacs is among those few that can.""" start="00:07:33.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And of course, we have had some very exciting""" start="00:07:35.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developments in recent versions.""" start="00:07:37.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think John just gave you an update on that.""" start="00:07:41.100" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we had just some highlights out of many""" start="00:07:45.860" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""highlights that you could give,""" start="00:07:47.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really, we got the TreeSetter support in""" start="00:07:50.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 29 that we now need to sort of extend""" start="00:07:53.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and develop. We have merged EGLOT,""" start="00:07:55.840" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we have LSP support out of the box,""" start="00:07:59.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think is a huge improvement.""" start="00:08:00.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Native compilation, of course,""" start="00:08:02.560" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a big feature. I mean,""" start="00:08:06.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was Andrea's job,""" start="00:08:08.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really, for performance.""" start="00:08:10.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it turns out that in many types of""" start="00:08:13.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""workloads and the types of stuff that people""" start="00:08:15.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are doing, it often matters.""" start="00:08:17.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we're hoping to make that the default,""" start="00:08:20.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps already in Emacs 30.""" start="00:08:24.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So there are things that are happening that""" start="00:08:26.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fundamentally make Emacs better at a very""" start="00:08:31.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""core level. 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Because guess what?""" start="00:09:39.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As Emacs users, we like doing everything we""" start="00:09:42.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can in Emacs, especially the core tasks that""" start="00:09:45.060" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're doing, such as developing Emacs itself.""" start="00:09:49.480" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, you want to do that fully within""" start="00:09:52.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. 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All right, next question.""" start="01:04:51.180" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do you think it is possible to reach an""" start="01:04:53.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agreement on sane defaults for better""" start="01:04:54.880" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out-of-the-box experience?""" start="01:04:56.720" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, so your sane is not my sane""" start="01:04:59.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""necessarily. So that's the fundamental""" start="01:05:01.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem that we're discussing here.""" start="01:05:02.800" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's a social,""" start="01:05:03.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not a technical problem.""" start="01:05:04.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults sometimes,""" start="01:05:07.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I mean, there is also some staying power.""" start="01:05:09.620" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's understandable that,""" start="01:05:11.980" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, it's, we can't just change them""" start="01:05:13.780" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""willy nilly and then flip flop between,""" start="01:05:15.580" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, 1 or the other kind of thing.""" start="01:05:18.080" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it does take a little bit more time.""" start="01:05:19.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, sure, we can.""" start="01:05:22.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We do change defaults at times.""" start="01:05:25.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it's perhaps more slower than what some""" start="01:05:29.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people would prefer, for sure.""" start="01:05:30.920" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's, yeah. Right,""" start="01:05:35.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all right. We have 2 more questions.""" start="01:05:37.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So will XWidgets have a future?""" start="01:05:39.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Seeing the new bugs popping up in the latest""" start="01:05:41.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""XWidget dev. Not sure if there was the rest""" start="01:05:45.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the question, But on XWidgets,""" start="01:05:46.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can you tell us a little more?""" start="01:05:47.440" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not really following now.""" start="01:05:50.380" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, I'm not seeing a lot of development""" start="01:05:51.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on XWidgets currently.""" start="01:05:53.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people have done work in fixing up a few""" start="01:05:56.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bugs, but I think that feature really needs""" start="01:05:59.820" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more love. So I think we need,""" start="01:06:01.800" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, help is welcome,""" start="01:06:03.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patch is welcome. That's what I can say about""" start="01:06:05.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. All right, and our final question of""" start="01:06:11.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the day. Have you voted for Emacs as the""" start="01:06:13.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software of the year on the Tuxes by Jupyter""" start="01:06:14.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Broadcasting? I did because Emacs 29 is""" start="01:06:17.320" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great. Thank you. Okay,""" start="01:06:19.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, good job voting.""" start="01:06:20.160" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't know, I don't know what Tuxy is on""" start="01:06:22.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Jupyter broadcasting, but look it up and go""" start="01:06:25.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""vote. So I wish I could tell you,""" start="01:06:27.660" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I assume with Tux, it might be something""" start="01:06:29.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""related to Linux, but that's as much as I can""" start="01:06:32.680" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say. All right, well, Stefan,""" start="01:06:34.340" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you so much for taking the time not""" start="01:06:36.420" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only to do a wonderful presentation,""" start="01:06:37.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also for answering all the questions of""" start="01:06:39.520" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community. Do you have anything else to""" start="01:06:41.040" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""add? Just really thanks for all the questions""" start="01:06:44.900" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and thanks for staying.""" start="01:06:46.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a long day, a long conference,""" start="01:06:49.120" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so thanks for staying and listening to my""" start="01:06:51.020" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk as well. Really appreciate it.""" start="01:06:52.360" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate the good work you guys are doing""" start="01:06:54.000" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind the scenes, organizing,""" start="01:06:54.960" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setting everything up.""" start="01:06:56.240" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And really humbled to be a part of this""" start="01:07:00.220" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. So thank you all.""" start="01:07:01.560" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well I can assure you that no 1 either in the""" start="01:07:05.740" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organization team or the people watching now""" start="01:07:07.540" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""felt like it was tiring to stay and listen to""" start="01:07:10.760" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your answers. So thank you so much Stefan.""" start="01:07:12.260" video="mainVideo-core" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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Hello there.""" start="00:00:16.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How are you doing, Leo?""" start="00:00:18.592" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am doing fantastic, and even more now that""" start="00:00:20.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am in a room with you because we've been,""" start="00:00:23.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we were reminiscing with Sasha.""" start="00:00:25.279" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you had been there in person in 2013 And""" start="00:00:30.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since we started doing those online,""" start="00:00:32.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Juan, since 2019, I think you've always been""" start="00:00:34.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""online, right? Usually it's a pre-recorded""" start="00:00:37.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""video. I think this will be the first 1 I do""" start="00:00:40.239" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live in a long time. You're right.""" start="00:00:42.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm saying we are online right now,""" start="00:00:44.059" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I just meant pre-recorded video.""" start="00:00:45.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it's good to have you almost in person or""" start="00:00:48.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""at least live and we are excited to hear""" start="00:00:50.739" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about some of the Emacs news.""" start="00:00:52.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the floor is yours.""" start="00:00:54.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, well welcome everybody.""" start="00:00:56.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the yearly state of the Emacs union,""" start="00:00:59.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess, about how Emacs development is""" start="00:01:02.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going. Just to note, I am not currently a""" start="00:01:05.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainer of Emacs. So what I do to get""" start="00:01:07.540" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these notes is I call up my friend,""" start="00:01:09.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Eli Zaretsky, 1 of the current Emacs""" start="00:01:11.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers, and he and I sit down for an""" start="00:01:13.700" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hour, and he just gives me his dump of what's""" start="00:01:16.880" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""been going on. So I'm sort of just the""" start="00:01:19.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messenger here. But thanks to Eli for these""" start="00:01:21.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notes and all of the efforts that he""" start="00:01:24.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contributes. So what he's been telling me is""" start="00:01:27.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this Emacs 29 release that we had""" start="00:01:29.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recently looks to have been very,""" start="00:01:31.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very successful, which is some good news,""" start="00:01:33.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because there were a lot of new features,""" start="00:01:34.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and some of those features were actually""" start="00:01:37.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quite radical. So far,""" start="00:01:39.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's been quite a success,""" start="00:01:40.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""no serious problems with it,""" start="00:01:41.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we have Emacs 29.2""" start="00:01:43.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be released very soon.""" start="00:01:46.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""They are thinking now about starting the""" start="00:01:49.780" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs 30 release cycle soon after 29.2""" start="00:01:52.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is released, where the release branch,""" start="00:01:55.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is called Emacs-30 usually,""" start="00:01:57.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be cut and then development will become""" start="00:02:01.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""frozen with only bug fixes going into that""" start="00:02:03.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""branch. 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But there are still""" start="00:02:24.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some new things going in.""" start="00:02:26.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So 1 of them is that Emacs 30 is going to""" start="00:02:29.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have Android support. 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C Perl mode is being deprecated,""" start="00:03:22.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all future work now is only being put""" start="00:03:25.640" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""towards C Perl mode. Another 1 is that there""" start="00:03:30.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to be some new major modes based on""" start="00:03:32.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter. They will be for the languages""" start="00:03:35.280" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lua, Elixir, and HTML.""" start="00:03:37.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And if you're not familiar,""" start="00:03:39.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think TreeSitter was introduced in Emacs""" start="00:03:42.260" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""29. 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The problem is I don't quite""" start="00:18:59.440" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remember where I made the note.""" start="00:19:01.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But no, I don't see it on GitHub,""" start="00:19:06.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I don't have it readily at hand.""" start="00:19:09.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, that's fine. We'll be able to...""" start="00:19:12.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, if you happen to find it,""" start="00:19:14.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we'll make sure to add it on the pad and then""" start="00:19:17.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the talks page. 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I did find it.""" start="00:19:56.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm gonna have to give it to you as a link""" start="00:20:00.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. Sure, you can do it on the blue button""" start="00:20:03.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'll put it on the pad.""" start="00:20:05.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I put it into the public chat for Bibi.""" start="00:20:12.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes. So if anyone is interested,""" start="00:20:15.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm putting it right in the answer to the""" start="00:20:18.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question right here on my screen.""" start="00:20:19.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So feel free to click on it and explore it.""" start="00:20:21.820" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm kind of curious, so I'm gonna...""" start="00:20:23.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can I click it on stream and can we look at""" start="00:20:25.400" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it a little bit together?""" start="00:20:26.120" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, sure. I haven't tried running it,""" start="00:20:28.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't say for its fitness,""" start="00:20:31.300" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's definitely enough of the groundwork""" start="00:20:33.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done that it's absolutely an assistance.""" start="00:20:36.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Okay, so it's loading up right now?""" start="00:20:39.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can see my webcam,""" start="00:20:42.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? I can see your browser attempting to""" start="00:20:45.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""load. There we go. Okay,""" start="00:20:47.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool. So I'm not sure what GitHub is doing.""" start="00:20:49.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me give it a little more room.""" start="00:20:51.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reactive setup is not working too well.""" start="00:20:53.860" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, I see. You're viewing the...""" start="00:20:58.340" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I see. Can I see the file then?""" start="00:21:01.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should be able to see the file.""" start="00:21:03.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think he just mentions the code in that""" start="00:21:08.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comment. So if there's a way to view only the""" start="00:21:11.480" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""comment it would make it clear.""" start="00:21:14.765" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right. Okay. I'm loading the file separately.""" start="00:21:16.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm checking the time.""" start="00:21:18.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have about 3 minutes left and I think we""" start="00:21:21.220" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have a question. In the meantime,""" start="00:21:22.420" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whilst I show this, I'm gonna launch another""" start="00:21:25.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question, which was about Drafts.""" start="00:21:28.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You are carrying, you're talking about""" start="00:21:30.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drafts, but does that mean you're not using""" start="00:21:32.320" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org anymore? Oh, no, I use org all the time.""" start="00:21:35.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In fact, the way that I've configured drafts""" start="00:21:37.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is that after I type the thing in the note""" start="00:21:40.240" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into drafts, I hit a key and it creates an""" start="00:21:43.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org mode capture item for it.""" start="00:21:44.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The reason why I use Drafts instead of Emacs""" start="00:21:48.060" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is because it's always available.""" start="00:21:50.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If Emacs is currently doing some job for me,""" start="00:21:53.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say I'm running some long-running subshell""" start="00:21:55.840" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the UI is frozen up whatnot,""" start="00:21:58.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Drafts is always 100% of the time instantly""" start="00:22:02.020" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available. So that's why I tend to then lean""" start="00:22:04.600" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on it a bit, but all of the destination of""" start="00:22:07.740" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that data is still Org Mode and everything""" start="00:22:09.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I do gets tracked through Org Mode.""" start="00:22:11.960" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's also why I wanted to implement the UI""" start="00:22:15.720" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scheme of drafts in Emacs so that I could""" start="00:22:18.580" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""drop the use of this external application.""" start="00:22:20.360" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then, I mean, I would still have the""" start="00:22:23.040" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem of sometimes Emacs being unavailable,""" start="00:22:25.080" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I would pay that price in order to have""" start="00:22:29.760" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that good UI of drafts inside Emacs.""" start="00:22:32.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Great. I think we have,""" start="00:22:37.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we might be too tight on time.""" start="00:22:39.520" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We only have about 2 minutes and I need to""" start="00:22:41.200" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""jump room to go into Stephane's room as well.""" start="00:22:43.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So John, where I get to thank you so much for""" start="00:22:47.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""taking the time to answer our questions,""" start="00:22:52.660" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but also doing a little bit of reporting on""" start="00:22:54.920" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the state of Emacs. And now we'll get to""" start="00:22:57.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue this with Stéphane.""" start="00:22:58.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So do you have any last words for everyone,""" start="00:23:00.900" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John? No, no. I look forward to hearing""" start="00:23:03.380" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stéphane speak. Okay, great.""" start="00:23:05.940" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we'll look forward,""" start="00:23:07.000" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially, to having you again next year,""" start="00:23:08.800" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""potentially still doing news like this,""" start="00:23:12.180" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and, fingers crossed, maybe having you live""" start="00:23:15.620" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again. Maybe, maybe let's see what happens.""" start="00:23:18.160" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, John. Thank you so much.""" start="00:23:20.680" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye. Bye bye.""" start="00:23:21.780" video="mainVideo-devel" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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So what do I want to show?""" start="00:00:25.279" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Couple of time ago in the development list""" start="00:00:30.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there was a short exchange about the nil and""" start="00:00:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the flood button, flood button button styles,""" start="00:00:38.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying that it was equivalent and they are""" start="00:00:42.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not. So instead of starting a Flame Wars,""" start="00:00:45.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was better to go and publicize""" start="00:00:49.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the goodies you get with Flood Button.""" start="00:00:54.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this is what I'm going to be showing you""" start="00:00:57.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""practically. Why Flood Button?""" start="00:01:00.140" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2005, more or less, I came across DOOM Emacs,""" start="00:01:06.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was nice. And I,""" start="00:01:07.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially I liked the DOOM mode line,""" start="00:01:12.180" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which was, I think it is,""" start="00:01:13.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is, and it was cool at that time.""" start="00:01:15.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was using other themes and it was not that""" start="00:01:20.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy to adapt for these other themes and even""" start="00:01:23.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""less when you are in an environment with""" start="00:01:26.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dynamic themes like mine because I tend to""" start="00:01:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""adapt the theme to the light conditions in my""" start="00:01:36.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""working place. So what I did at the end was""" start="00:01:40.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coming up with a style for faces called flood""" start="00:01:44.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button for boxes, called flood button as a""" start="00:01:49.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple way to get modern looking buttons and""" start="00:01:52.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bars. So flood button is a face style for""" start="00:01:59.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""boxes within buttons that automatically sets""" start="00:02:02.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the border color to the background of the""" start="00:02:05.240" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""face, as opposed to nil,""" start="00:02:08.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which uses the foreground.""" start="00:02:10.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And this produces a very doom mode line-ish""" start="00:02:14.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""look and feel. And if you want to know where""" start="00:02:18.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it, basically for the mode line and I'm""" start="00:02:21.580" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using tab line for a long time now.""" start="00:02:24.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for the mode line and for tab line to""" start="00:02:28.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize my windows. And since an image is""" start="00:02:35.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worth more than a thousand words,""" start="00:02:37.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm just going to stop this and start sharing""" start="00:02:40.860" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a small Emacs environment I have ready for""" start="00:02:44.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this talk where I'm going to show you a flat""" start="00:02:47.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button in real life. So if you hold with me,""" start="00:02:50.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to share a window.""" start="00:02:56.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's going to be this 1.""" start="00:02:58.840" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Share and share. Here we are.""" start="00:03:01.386" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And share. Here we are.""" start="00:03:01.780" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is an Emacs which is recent,""" start="00:03:08.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reasonably recent. Nothing especially it was""" start="00:03:13.460" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiled, it's Emacs 30.""" start="00:03:14.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think what I have here is something""" start="00:03:18.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I compiled last weekend.""" start="00:03:19.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was tempted to use something compiled this""" start="00:03:24.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""morning, but I saw a patch by Ellie regarding""" start="00:03:28.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something in the faces and I didn't want to""" start="00:03:30.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""live a too risky life here,""" start="00:03:34.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm going to use this.""" start="00:03:36.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not starting the ZMAC from the normal""" start="00:03:40.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs directory. I have my own,""" start="00:03:44.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a special customization directory for""" start="00:03:49.440" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, and this is this 1.""" start="00:03:51.560" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And here what I have is basically an early""" start="00:03:57.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""init and an init. So the early init,""" start="00:04:01.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is quite stupid as you see,""" start="00:04:03.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the only thing that it does is getting rid of""" start="00:04:07.800" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most of the things that I'm not going to be""" start="00:04:10.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using here. 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And control X 1,""" start="00:11:31.740" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""control X buffer to init.""" start="00:11:34.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is what you would have to do to get""" start="00:11:41.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your mode line or mode line inactive with a""" start="00:11:48.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""flat button style. So what you do is you get""" start="00:11:52.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your face like this, the face that you want""" start="00:11:56.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to modify. 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It is not 1 of the biggest""" start="00:12:27.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patches you have in Emacs.""" start="00:12:28.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It was my first patch,""" start="00:12:32.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so it was like 20 liners.""" start="00:12:34.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not too much. Yes,""" start="00:12:40.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am going to go and...""" start="00:12:44.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oops. SKB and... There you are.""" start="00:12:54.733" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there you are. I've checked it for copy""" start="00:12:58.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and paste. 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Any other questions?""" start="00:14:00.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Reactions? Thank you. Thank you.""" start="00:14:35.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think we still have about 6 or 7 more""" start="00:15:04.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes of live Q&A on stream,""" start="00:15:05.840" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if folks have any more questions,""" start="00:15:07.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please do feel free to post them on the pad.""" start="00:15:09.940" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Silence. Silence. Silence.""" start="00:15:30.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, do you teach eMAX to any of your""" start="00:16:02.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""university students? As such,""" start="00:16:04.700" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's no course that we teach,""" start="00:16:08.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but in tutorships and in tutoring sessions,""" start="00:16:12.800" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when we do practical things,""" start="00:16:15.460" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I do a lot, I tend to use Emacs for all""" start="00:16:21.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the tasks so that the students get involved""" start="00:16:24.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in it. I also have a small introduction to""" start="00:16:28.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs that I share with my students.""" start="00:16:29.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So So every year I have 2 or 3 new adepts.""" start="00:16:33.400" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a question on IRC.""" start="00:17:43.900" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Someone asking can you please show what the""" start="00:17:46.920" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tab line looks like? Just a second.""" start="00:17:53.160" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This would be like this.""" start="00:17:56.880" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For that I'm going to use my regular Emacs.""" start="00:18:03.096" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just my my regular emacs so just let me fire""" start="00:18:06.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it up. Sure.""" start="00:18:09.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And""" start="00:18:23.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's my current situation with the tab""" start="00:18:39.760" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""line. I do have a couple of functions.""" start="00:18:42.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is 1 of the things that I use.""" start="00:18:44.680" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""As you see, both the tab line here and the""" start="00:18:51.500" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode line change. And the other thing is I""" start="00:18:57.040" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can, this is for some situations,""" start="00:19:00.520" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not currently because it's just later,""" start="00:19:03.600" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a bit too dark. But this is for light""" start="00:19:06.420" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""days. I have like 3 or 4 themes that I can""" start="00:19:10.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch to these are the themes that I""" start="00:19:15.020" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""normally use This is how the tab line looks.""" start="00:19:18.120" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is how the tab line here looks with the""" start="00:19:22.660" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with a flat button style.""" start="00:19:28.280" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks great, Thank you for sharing.""" start="00:19:35.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're welcome.""" start="00:19:37.200" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, I think we have 2 or 3 more minutes.""" start="00:19:50.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if folks, if you have any final questions""" start="00:19:53.600" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Pedro, please post them in.""" start="00:19:55.480" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. Okay.""" start="00:20:37.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay.""" start="00:20:54.260" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No further questions. Yeah,""" start="00:21:34.540" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it seems we don't have any further questions.""" start="00:21:36.380" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just another audience member also thanking""" start="00:21:39.100" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you on the chat. So with that,""" start="00:21:44.060" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll say Thank you very much,""" start="00:21:45.320" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pedro, for your great talk and for the Q&A,""" start="00:21:47.080" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for your work and for helping spreading the""" start="00:21:50.220" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""joy of Emacs. Okay, thanks.""" start="00:21:52.360" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. Bye-bye. It was a nice experience""" start="00:21:56.140" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here. Very nice tool. Cheers.""" start="00:21:59.200" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Awesome. Take care. Bye.""" start="00:22:01.640" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye. Bye.""" start="00:22:02.720" video="mainVideo-flat" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20flat%3A%20A%20modern%20Emacs%20look-and-feel%20without%20pain) diff --git a/2023/info/flat-before.md b/2023/info/flat-before.md index e960be0e..fdae80b7 100644 --- a/2023/info/flat-before.md +++ b/2023/info/flat-before.md @@ -7,6 +7,6 @@ Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings -
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# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/koutline-after.md b/2023/info/koutline-after.md index 38400a36..a48d8b9d 100644 --- a/2023/info/koutline-after.md +++ b/2023/info/koutline-after.md @@ -1,6 +1,127 @@ + +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""Today I will share a nice workflow I have""" start="00:00:03.340" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developed for stream of consciousness""" start="00:00:04.400" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling. The goal of stream of""" start="00:00:06.560" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consciousness journaling is to get your""" start="00:00:08.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thoughts on the screen as effectively and""" start="00:00:09.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficiently as possible.""" start="00:00:10.679" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These 2 features when combined reinforce each""" start="00:00:12.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""other and let you hear yourself think in a""" start="00:00:14.860" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very efficient manner,""" start="00:00:15.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increasing the number,""" start="00:00:17.220" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""quality, and types of thoughts you can get""" start="00:00:18.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out of it. The tools I will be using for this""" start="00:00:21.100" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are Emacs, KL line from the Hyperbolt""" start="00:00:22.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""package, centered cursor mode,""" start="00:00:24.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Olivetti mode, and optionally,""" start="00:00:25.119" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""voice to text. Additionally,""" start="00:00:26.820" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can see my commands and key bindings on""" start="00:00:28.939" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the right. I will start off by showing a""" start="00:00:31.500" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typing demo""" start="00:00:32.119" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how my day went.""" start="00:00:48.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are certain functionalities for stream""" start="00:01:12.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of consciousness journaling that are desired""" start="00:01:14.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or detrimental to the process.""" start="00:01:15.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stream of thought functionalities,""" start="00:01:17.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things I want. The ability to optionally use""" start="00:01:26.000" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speech to text. I do this by using""" start="00:01:27.720" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nerdictation, a Python program.""" start="00:01:29.380" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I am still experimenting with this as it""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""changes the quality and types of thoughts you""" start="00:01:34.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can get out of stream of consciousness""" start="00:01:35.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling. I am still looking for better""" start="00:01:37.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ways of doing this. The ability to easily""" start="00:01:39.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""organize and split off my thoughts by""" start="00:01:41.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""creating and manipulating outlines.""" start="00:01:43.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Creating them in real time is needed for live""" start="00:01:46.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""journaling and allows for later editing""" start="00:01:48.240" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really easily. I showed off some of these""" start="00:01:53.140" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commands before. To just write words without""" start="00:01:56.479" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worrying about format.""" start="00:01:57.540" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To not worry about scrolling,""" start="00:02:00.160" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use centered cursor mode.""" start="00:02:01.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To not worry about lines,""" start="00:02:05.200" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the KOutline auto-filling""" start="00:02:06.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality. To not worry about pressing""" start="00:02:09.360" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enter, and to have a nice looking journal""" start="00:02:11.400" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with hard returns afterwards.""" start="00:02:12.660" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Manually filling is needed with spacing when""" start="00:02:19.060" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it is wrong. I do that with metaJ.""" start="00:02:22.160" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Counterproductive functionality.""" start="00:02:30.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Spell checking. While this is useful for""" start="00:02:33.480" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editing, it is not useful for stream of""" start="00:02:35.500" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consciousness journaling.""" start="00:02:36.220" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Having this on or off conditionally while you""" start="00:02:39.020" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are live journaling is a killer feature of""" start="00:02:40.760" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. Reading slash editing the journal.""" start="00:02:48.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Part of the value proposition of this is to""" start="00:02:50.240" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""listen to what you are thinking,""" start="00:02:51.420" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so this is needed functionality.""" start="00:02:52.680" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You cannot listen very well when you are""" start="00:02:55.580" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""speaking, and the converse is true as well.""" start="00:02:57.360" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You cannot speak very well when you are""" start="00:02:59.240" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""listening, decreasing what you can get out of""" start="00:03:01.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. Features when editing or listening to""" start="00:03:04.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your journal. Spell checking.""" start="00:03:05.200" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use the Spackage Spellfoo,""" start="00:03:07.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but there are others. I use multiple panes to""" start="00:03:20.740" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read and edit. I use a combination of follow""" start="00:03:25.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode and some of my custom functions.""" start="00:03:27.940" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""These are what I use right here.""" start="00:03:31.860" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ability to change the view specs of the""" start="00:03:53.360" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""document. Stuff like, toggling blank lines.""" start="00:03:59.340" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Show the first heading of everything.""" start="00:04:08.300" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can also export the KOutline pages to""" start="00:04:18.620" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""HTML for other people to read or another way""" start="00:04:21.560" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to look at it. Easy manipulation of cells.""" start="00:04:29.440" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You use the Alt and arrow keys just like in""" start="00:04:34.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Orm mode to delete cells easily.""" start="00:04:37.200" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The ability to manually reformat KL9 cells in""" start="00:04:47.020" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""addition to auto formatting of the cells for""" start="00:04:49.540" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when spacing looks off.""" start="00:04:50.860" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MetaJ is nice, and auto-filling is also nice""" start="00:04:53.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for having multiple pages.""" start="00:04:54.920" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Why do I use these tools versus other common""" start="00:04:58.660" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools? K-Outline vs. Playtext Writing in""" start="00:05:06.060" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""outlines helps me easily structure my""" start="00:05:08.460" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thoughts in a way that is easy to write,""" start="00:05:09.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read, and edit. Org Mode vs.""" start="00:05:12.500" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""K-Outline Org Mode gives me lots of ways to""" start="00:05:15.360" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""structure my journal slash document.""" start="00:05:17.120" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""While this is great for a lot of things,""" start="00:05:19.600" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for stream of consciousness journaling,""" start="00:05:21.540" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this causes decision fatigue and loss of""" start="00:05:24.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concentration. Types of questions I get when""" start="00:05:30.320" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""structuring an org-mode document?""" start="00:05:31.960" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I keep everything in a heading or below""" start="00:05:35.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the heading in paragraphs?""" start="00:05:36.100" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""How do I handle new lines?""" start="00:05:38.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do I just use visual line mode with no hard""" start="00:05:40.240" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""returns? Or if I make hard returns,""" start="00:05:42.520" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on what line number do I do them?""" start="00:05:44.800" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""More visual line nodes in org-mode documents""" start="00:05:50.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like a potential org ID in your property""" start="00:05:52.660" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stores. While a lot of the above is really""" start="00:05:57.720" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nice if you are making something like a""" start="00:05:59.880" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""website to present to other people,""" start="00:06:01.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these features are counterproductive to""" start="00:06:04.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream-of-thought journaling.""" start="00:06:05.040" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org mode is also top-notch for other things""" start="00:06:08.900" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as GTD. I don't think org mode has""" start="00:06:11.780" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings to create child,""" start="00:06:13.820" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""same-level, and parent cells.""" start="00:06:15.460" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Centered cursor mode versus scroll lock mode""" start="00:06:19.340" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built-in. Scroll lock mode changes its place""" start="00:06:22.640" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you move the cursor from the bottom or""" start="00:06:28.180" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the top of the page. Centered cursor mode""" start="00:06:30.080" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will reliably fix itself to the center when""" start="00:06:33.420" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the cursor position is not there.""" start="00:06:36.280" video="mainVideo-koutline" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? Please e-mail [plasmastrike@voiddragon.me](mailto:plasmastrike@voiddragon.me?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20koutline%3A%20Using%20Koutline%20for%20stream%20of%20thought%20journaling) diff --git a/2023/info/koutline-before.md b/2023/info/koutline-before.md index cd62982a..b87e7db8 100644 --- a/2023/info/koutline-before.md +++ b/2023/info/koutline-before.md @@ -7,6 +7,6 @@ Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings -
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# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/sat-close-before.md b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md index e2d9c1a8..7b3e504a 100644 --- a/2023/info/sat-close-before.md +++ b/2023/info/sat-close-before.md @@ -9,10 +9,10 @@ Status: Q&A to be extracted from the room recordings # Talk -
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# Description \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2023/info/unentangling-after.md b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md index 6ec7a813..6d11c30e 100644 --- a/2023/info/unentangling-after.md +++ b/2023/info/unentangling-after.md @@ -1,6 +1,200 @@ + +# Transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""Hello, I'm Alexey Bochkarev, and I'm talking about""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unentangling projects and repositories,""" start="00:00:04.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or maybe entangling them, depending on how you look at that.""" start="00:00:07.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's going to be a short workflow note.""" start="00:00:12.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I work as a researcher,""" start="00:00:15.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so there are three main components to my work, I guess.""" start="00:00:19.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First, I think, so I try to come up with new ideas,""" start="00:00:23.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that usually results in some collection of notes I have.""" start="00:00:27.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Second, I try things out, so it usually means that I write code.""" start="00:00:31.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And third, I communicate, so I prepare papers,""" start="00:00:35.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentations, memos, and so on and so forth.""" start="00:00:39.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so the workflow problem I had is""" start="00:00:43.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sometimes all this does not really fit""" start="00:00:47.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a concept of a single repository per project,""" start="00:00:51.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I might want to have, for example,""" start="00:00:55.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a source code in one repository, and then I would like to have a paper""" start="00:00:59.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in another one, and then I want to have a collection of notes somewhere""" start="00:01:03.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unrelated to those two. And yeah,""" start="00:01:07.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs is pretty good at supporting your workflows, and I figured I should""" start="00:01:11.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""share what I use and what works for me.""" start="00:01:15.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So,""" start="00:01:19.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from the technical perspective, things are""" start="00:01:23.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty easy, so I use a collection of pretty standard components""" start="00:01:27.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs, so it's a projectile org-mode with its capture templates and other""" start="00:01:31.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things. Then I sustain a collection of notes in something""" start="00:01:35.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is called org-roam, which is, well, essentially, it's a glorified""" start="00:01:39.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collection of org-mode files. Then I use directory""" start="00:01:43.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""local variables, maybe a ctext to jump through the source code,""" start="00:01:47.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and very, very little Elisp glue to make this""" start="00:01:51.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all work, but that's not really rocket science.""" start="00:01:55.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the workflow I would like to talk about today.""" start="00:01:59.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, what I mean by all that,""" start="00:02:03.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's pretty straightforward to make""" start="00:02:07.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it easy to jump around a single repository in Emacs.""" start="00:02:11.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, I have Doom Emacs, but that's not really specific to Doom.""" start="00:02:15.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That'll work in any Emacs configuration.""" start="00:02:19.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, kbindings might be""" start="00:02:23.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different, but that's not the point, I guess, for the workflow. So, if I hit space""" start="00:02:27.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two times, I have all the list of files within my project.""" start="00:02:31.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, if I create a couple of custom shortcuts,""" start="00:02:35.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if I press a magic button,""" start="00:02:39.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperlp, don't worry about hyperkey, so I want it to have a""" start="00:02:43.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""modifier key all to myself, so that would, no program""" start="00:02:47.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on my computer would use that except Emacs, and Emacs would""" start="00:02:51.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use that only when I tell it to, so I have a hyperkey instead of caps lock, that's pretty easy""" start="00:02:55.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do in GNU Linux system. So,""" start="00:02:59.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I press this magic keys, I have a menu that's a normal""" start="00:03:03.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kbinding, yeah, essentially in Emacs, and""" start="00:03:07.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if I hit, for example, R, I end up in a readme file within""" start="00:03:11.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this specific repository I was sitting in, right, so if I want to document something""" start="00:03:15.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""real quick, I go to the readme file. 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start="00:11:31.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""pretty handy, so again, no rocket science in there""" start="00:11:35.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I create a directory local variable that helps me""" start="00:11:39.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to figure out what umbrella project does""" start="00:11:43.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this particular folder belongs to, and this way""" start="00:11:47.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I make Emacs aware of, for example, facts like so this""" start="00:11:51.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""source code belongs to that project, and this repository with the paper""" start="00:11:55.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also belongs to that project, and I can 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believe, so thank you""" start="00:12:27.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very much, and if you have any comments or suggestions to that, please do jump""" start="00:12:31.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the discussion, yeah, after the talk, thank you.""" start="00:12:35.000" video="mainVideo-unentangling" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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Uh""" start="00:00:20.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""later""" start="00:00:22.320" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, what okay here, uh, put it right there""" start="00:00:23.360" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All good stuff""" start="00:00:30.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so i'm going to uh get over to my planned uh stuff i'm sharing here""" start="00:00:33.920" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hopefully""" start="00:00:41.340" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, and and we'll jump jump right in because i'm gonna need as much time as I can possibly have today""" start="00:00:42.880" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thanks so much for uh joining me for emacs conference and for""" start="00:00:49.440" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially for""" start="00:00:54.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um""" start="00:00:56.480" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of you who who participated, you know in the discussions contributing talks and""" start="00:00:57.600" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""um, you know, uh, you know, including running the copy the the and it's just so much fun to be here, um""" start="00:01:03.520" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess while i'm standing here and and saying stuff that's that i'm gonna have to""" start="00:01:11.040" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcribe because I didn't uh prepare a""" start="00:01:16.620" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recorded version""" start="00:01:20.560" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I had a lot of trouble trimming this down so I can solve that problem by just talking a lot at the beginning""" start="00:01:22.080" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about other stuff, um""" start="00:01:28.960" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So in addition to the thanks I just want to say thanks also to the""" start="00:01:33.200" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Folks on the development list that helped me kind of come up to speed on this. I won't make a big list here. 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What an amazing amount of time. All right. So thanks a lot. Uh today i've got a jam-packed talk""" start="00:03:36.820" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, i've i've done my best to make""" start="00:03:43.860" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""To make this not too overwhelming, but overall we're going to try to try to actually build""" start="00:03:46.820" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um emacs while we're talking today and we might actually build several emacs""" start="00:03:52.900" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, so let's take a look at that real quick""" start="00:03:58.100" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Um, so over here we have a screen where I am""" start="00:04:00.420" video="mainVideo-windows" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Just once a minute looking. 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    • """ title="""(Un)entangling projects and repos""" url="""/2023/talks/unentangling""" speakers="""Alexey Bochkarev""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""unentangling""" note="""video posted, video: 12:39"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Emacs development updates""" url="""/2023/talks/devel""" speakers="""John Wiegley""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""devel""" note="""video posted, video: 23:22"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Windows into Freedom""" url="""/2023/talks/windows""" speakers="""Corwin Brust""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""windows""" note="""video posted, video: 57:48"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Emacs core development: how it works""" url="""/2023/talks/core""" speakers="""Stefan Kangas""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""core""" note="""video posted, video: 1:07:13"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Saturday closing remarks""" url="""/2023/talks/sat-close""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sat-close""" note="""video posted, video: 09:00"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""(Un)entangling projects and repos""" url="""/2023/talks/unentangling""" speakers="""Alexey Bochkarev""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""unentangling""" note="""video posted, video: 12:39"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Emacs development updates""" url="""/2023/talks/devel""" speakers="""John Wiegley""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""devel""" note="""video posted, video: 23:22"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Windows into Freedom""" url="""/2023/talks/windows""" speakers="""Corwin Brust""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""windows""" note="""video posted, video: 57:48"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Emacs core development: how it works""" url="""/2023/talks/core""" speakers="""Stefan Kangas""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""core""" note="""video posted, video: 1:07:13"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Saturday closing remarks""" url="""/2023/talks/sat-close""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sat-close""" note="""video posted, video: 09:00"""]] Jump to: Sat Dec 2 - Sun Dec 3 # Sunday Dec 3, 2023 @@ -33,18 +33,18 @@ Jump to: Sat Dec 2 - S
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    • """ title="""Sunday opening remarks""" url="""/2023/talks/sun-open""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sun-open""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 05:17"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Top 10 ways Hyperbole amps up Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/hyperamp""" speakers="""Robert Weiner""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""hyperamp""" note="""video posted, video: 1:05:16"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling""" url="""/2023/talks/koutline""" speakers="""Matthew Jorgensen (PlasmaStrike)""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""koutline""" note="""video posted, video: 06:44"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Top 10 ways Hyperbole amps up Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/hyperamp""" speakers="""Robert Weiner""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""hyperamp""" note="""video posted, video: 1:05:16"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Using Koutline for stream of thought journaling""" url="""/2023/talks/koutline""" speakers="""Matthew Jorgensen (PlasmaStrike)""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""koutline""" note="""video posted, video: 06:44"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Bringing joy to Scheme programming""" url="""/2023/talks/scheme""" speakers="""Andrew Tropin""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""scheme""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 21:01"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Parallel text replacement""" url="""/2023/talks/parallel""" speakers="""Lovro, Valentino Picotti""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""parallel""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 14:46, answers: 10:16"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/eat""" speakers="""Akib Azmain Turja""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""eat""" note="""video posted, video: 08:13"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Eat and Eat powered Eshell, fast featureful terminal inside Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/eat""" speakers="""Akib Azmain Turja""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""eat""" note="""video posted, video: 08:13"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""GNU Emacs: A World of Possibilities""" url="""/2023/talks/world""" speakers="""Anand Tamariya""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""world""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 20:31"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""The browser in a buffer""" url="""/2023/talks/poltys""" speakers="""Michael Bauer""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""poltys""" note="""video posted, video: 34:30"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain""" url="""/2023/talks/flat""" speakers="""Pedro A. Aranda""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""flat""" note="""video posted, video: 22:20"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Speedcubing in Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/cubing""" speakers="""wasamasa""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""cubing""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 13:35"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""The browser in a buffer""" url="""/2023/talks/poltys""" speakers="""Michael Bauer""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""poltys""" note="""video posted, video: 34:30"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""A modern Emacs look-and-feel without pain""" url="""/2023/talks/flat""" speakers="""Pedro A. Aranda""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""flat""" note="""video posted, video: 22:20"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Speedcubing in Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/cubing""" speakers="""wasamasa""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""cubing""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 13:35"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""The Emacsen family, the design of an Emacs and the importance of Lisp""" url="""/2023/talks/emacsen""" speakers="""Fermin""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""emacsen""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 18:28, answers: 1:08:14"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Emacs MultiMedia System (EMMS)""" url="""/2023/talks/emms""" speakers="""Yoni Rabkin""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""emms""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 38:38, answers: 32:38"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?""" url="""/2023/talks/gc""" speakers="""Ihor Radchenko""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""gc""" note="""video posted, video: 33:22"""]] +[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""emacs-gc-stats: Does garbage collection actually slow down Emacs?""" url="""/2023/talks/gc""" speakers="""Ihor Radchenko""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""gc""" note="""video posted, video: 33:22"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""hyperdrive.el: Peer-to-peer filesystem in Emacs""" url="""/2023/talks/hyperdrive""" speakers="""Joseph Turner and Protesilaos Stavrou""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""hyperdrive""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 40:03, answers: 28:15"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Programming with steno""" url="""/2023/talks/steno""" speakers="""Daniel Alejandro Tapia""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""steno""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 25:03"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Mentoring VS-Coders as an Emacsian (or How to show not tell people about the wonders of Emacs)""" url="""/2023/talks/mentor""" speakers="""Jeremy Friesen""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""mentor""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 10:44, answers: 1:13:43"""]] @@ -53,4 +53,4 @@ Jump to: Sat Dec 2 - S [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""What I learned by writing test cases for GNU Hyperbole""" url="""/2023/talks/test""" speakers="""Mats Lidell""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""test""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 26:55, answers: 26:22"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Sharing Emacs is Caring Emacs: Emacs education and why I embraced video""" url="""/2023/talks/sharing""" speakers="""Jacob Boxerman""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sharing""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 16:34, answers: 25:19"""]] [[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""EmacsConf.org: How we use Org Mode and TRAMP to organize and run a multi-track conference""" url="""/2023/talks/emacsconf""" speakers="""Sacha Chua""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/dev""" slug="""emacsconf""" note="""captioned, video posted, video: 15:05, answers: 2:00:43"""]] -[[!template id=sched resources="""
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    • """ title="""Sunday closing remarks""" url="""/2023/talks/sun-close""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sun-close""" note="""video posted, video: 2:00:43"""]]
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    • """ title="""Sunday closing remarks""" url="""/2023/talks/sun-close""" watch="""https://emacsconf.org/2023/watch/gen""" slug="""sun-close""" note="""video posted, video: 2:00:43"""]] \ No newline at end of file -- cgit v1.2.3