From c6c2d25cb561946e993e5dc5919afed8017cd087 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sacha Chua Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 20:18:23 -0500 Subject: add etherpads to wiki pages --- 2022/talks/hyperorg.md | 86 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 86 insertions(+) (limited to '2022/talks/hyperorg.md') diff --git a/2022/talks/hyperorg.md b/2022/talks/hyperorg.md index cee4fd54..c2aeac4b 100644 --- a/2022/talks/hyperorg.md +++ b/2022/talks/hyperorg.md @@ -31,6 +31,92 @@ g. Create Your Own Hyperbole Implicit Buttons from Org h. Hyperbole Expands Org Mode to an Emacs-wide Persistant Hyperbutton-Action Capability on Any Textual Format +# Discussion + +## Notes + +- Sorry a few pixels at the left of the screen are cut off due to how + it was recorded but it should not affect the bulk of the information + you\'ll see.  We\'ll also make the Org document driving the + presentation available for offline review. + +## Questions and answers + +- Q: Can you have multiple implicit button files, if so how would you + know which link came from what files? + - A: Links are one way at the present time, so you just place them + where they are needed and activate them.  Things like HyRolo can + be used to locate matching elements across multiple files. +- Q: What about using implicit buttons with multiple people with + different configs? + - A:As mentioned in the talk, environment and Lisp variables + embedded in path links allow for sharing links whose location + varies by user/team.  In other cases you often want team members + to see the same result as someone else sees when a button is + activated. +- Q: Coming in from Org/Org-mode, would it be a fair assessment that + Hyperbole is in some way a \*generalization\* of what most people + think of the great features of Org to work across formats (i.e. not + just in Org buffers, though \*also\* therein), with the Hyperbole + links/buttons being the recurring example? And that it then further + adds some capabilities (again across formats and thus including in + Org buffers). Being a global minor mode (vs a major mode and thus + coupled to a particular format namely org) is interesting per se, + and I think goes to RMS\'s talk that Org\'s features could be more + generalized and modularized. How is Hyperbole in that respect? + - A:Org, I believe, is focused on being an interactive notebook + and publishing tool notably for scientists or academics, even + though it is used by other technical people.  Hyperbole is for + creating a hyperverse filled with many types of text files and + interlinking them while maintaining their native formats; it + does little with conversion to formats for publication, aside + from export of Koutlines to HTML for use on the web. +- Q: Internal/Radio targets: are they able to link to other Org mode + files (that are part of my agenda)? Background: \<\<\\>\> (default Org mode feature) is great for glossary and so + forth but only works within a single Org mode file. + - A: You could develop an implicit button type that would link + from an external file to a radio target in another file.  These + usually are just a few lines of code. +- Q: Your package advances how useful a mouse can be with creating + links, do you have any experiance or thoughts about how + touchscreens, or mice could be used or improved with emacs.. + - A: I place the Action Mouse Key on my middle mouse button and + the Assist Mouse Key on my right mouse button because I find + them that useful.  The existing drag capabilities of the mouse + are similar to actions we would have for a touchscreen + interface. +- Q: Would you consider Hyperbole to be more of a format spec that can + then be handled however we want? Or the engine itself along with + that format? i.e. can the simple link formats be used for other + extensible purposes? + - A: yes, hyperbole was thoughts a s an hypertxt engine and then + be avail. to multiple apps (as API). turns out didnt work really + well +- Q: How is the integration with org-roam? + - A: We are just beginning to work with org-roam and will likely + add a Hyperbole interface to it across time.  We are also + looking at related tools and how +- Q: When doing something where do you determine where to put it + \'kotl, rolo, org\".? I like kotl for journaling and org mode for + gtd.:) + - A: sure, they\'re both outlined formats and they work well. + depends on your taste +- Q:Would you recommend a specific resource for getting into + Hyperbole, or should I just start with the manual? Definitely + interested in getting into this. (oh I love interactive demo style + formats, great!) + - A: dont start with the manual! :) for learning use the menu + system C-h-d-d and watch the interactive demo. Then watch one of + the tutorial videos (mentioned before) +- Q: What is hyperorg? + - A: probably a typo for hyperborg +- Q:Do you have advice for people who\'d like to try using Hyperbole + with Org, but don\'t want to pollute Org files with inline Hyperbole + links (e.g., with files that will be published)? (\...Or is that + inevitably the point of Hyperbole links?) + - A: + [[!inline pages="internal(2022/info/hyperorg-after)" raw="yes"]] -- cgit v1.2.3