From 6ec428824567a2f8325da742171bff1166b2b5c3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sacha Chua Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 12:26:23 -0500 Subject: Add questions from pad --- 2021/talks/frownies.md | 40 +++++++++++-- 2021/talks/montessori.md | 148 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2021/talks/news.md | 3 +- 2021/talks/omegat.md | 4 ++ 2021/talks/unix.md | 14 +++++ 5 files changed, 203 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) (limited to '2021/talks') diff --git a/2021/talks/frownies.md b/2021/talks/frownies.md index ff5514b4..396c76d4 100644 --- a/2021/talks/frownies.md +++ b/2021/talks/frownies.md @@ -38,15 +38,36 @@ teeth into. - [my Mastodon account](https://writing.exchange/@acdw) (though I'm moving to [tiny.tilde.website](https://tiny.tilde.website/@acdw) ... soon™) -## Other notes +# Discussion -- Compulsively C-q anything electric. Don't need a hook when you've got one in your brain. +- How do we obtain frowny.el? + - A: Please check +- What was the funniest time a frown emerged from unintended code? + Or any similar occurrence. + - A: I frown a lot when I\'m problem solving ;) +- What packages you used for writing? + - A: I just use org-mode for its markup. If you mean the + presentation, I think\... org-present? +- You wrote the package quite fast. Would you say you knew what + you were going to program before you did it? Or was it iterative + process?  + - A: pretty iterative, but very fast b/c it\'s a small project + space! +- from chat (Cairn): do you have a personal site? + - A: +- not related to the talk, but on a different note: I like the + emacs background image used in the video stream. is it available + somewhere for download? :-) + - A: (nervous + laugh) +- Why host it on GitHub? or codeberg.org, or sr.ht, or (non-)GNU savannah, or your own server - Does frowny work with ;) + +- Compulsively C-q anything electric. Don't need a hook when you've got one in your brain. - TBH you should transform it into a patch for electric-pair-mode - So I want to contribute to Emacs, but I don't know enough elisp. Perhaps I could contribute some documentation? But I have no idea what that would be... -- From the speaker: i'd love ot hear more about licensing, basically i don't care how my stuff is used at all -- Why host it on GitHub? or codeberg.org, or sr.ht, or (non-)GNU savannah, or your own server -- do you have a personal site? +- From the speaker: i'd love to hear more about licensing, basically i don't care how my stuff is used at all + Feedback: @@ -55,6 +76,15 @@ Feedback: - These ‘how I got suckered into programming emacs by [hilariously trivial thing]’ are always fun. - frowny.el shows how writing a package can help learn things---all sorts of things to consider and lots of "aha!" moments +Links: + +- +- /r/emacs - +- Planet Emacs - +- HISTORY.org - +- + + [[!inline pages="internal(2021/captions/frownies)" raw="yes"]] [[!inline pages="internal(2021/info/frownies-nav)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2021/talks/montessori.md b/2021/talks/montessori.md index b10396c8..4086ab68 100644 --- a/2021/talks/montessori.md +++ b/2021/talks/montessori.md @@ -19,6 +19,154 @@ drives present in everybody that allow us to explore and make sense of our world # Discussion +- Q1:  Would you say that the Montessori philosophy follows a \"verb\" + based methodology, where an abstract action is performed on an item, + without locking the action to what the item can support, like an + Object-oriented language would do?  + - e.g.  \`throw(rock)\` instead of \`rock.throw()\`, i.e. a + function in a global namespace, instead of a function belonging + to an object? + - A: i\'d like to think about this some more, but honestly i think + its a bit of both? there\'s certainly some things I can think of + that are more like \`rock.throw()\`\... Here are the things you + can do with these materials, and that is it. On the other hand, + I\'ve certainly seen inventive uses of educational materials + that follow more of a \`throw(pencil)\` type of thing. + - The philosophy is highly observation based, so I\'m thinking + about the difference of something like \`Child::new.learn()\` vs + \`learn(some-child)\`.  In this case I do feel like the \"verb\" + based methodology is more appropriate. We need to stop and + observe a child, to notice what is driving them, what they\'re + responding to, and where they are in their abilities. Depending + on our observations, we may offer different kinds of input. Its + certainly much less like \"oh i have another Child object and I + need to have them do x, y, z\" in order to get to point B. + - I hope this somewhat answers the question. I\'ll keep pondering + :) + - Thank you, I guess some children favour one method over + another, but it\'s not as black and white as I initially + thought. Thanks! +- Q2: How old do you think childen need to be to start exploring with + Emacs? + - A: Children 0-6 are in a phase called the \"absorbent mind\". It + is this miraculous superpower that children have to absorb + everything around them. The ability to learn language is + probably the most obvious example. So, if children can interact + with Emacs, they can start exploring it. Of course, as a text + editor, basic literacy is pretty important.  I personally have + not tried teaching young children Emacs, but I believe with the + right kinds of interfaces, it could be possible. +- Q3: How to let my kids exploring Emacs?(No need to answer this. + It\'s simillar to Q2) + - A: Great question! Much of the early childhood Montessori work + is highly tactile. Abstract concepts are embodied in physical + objects. One example is the \"binomial cube\" which is a set of + blocks that demonstrates (a + b)\^3. Children know nothing about + the math behind it, but by interacting with it as a tactile + puzzle, something about the math concept behind it, the + abstraction, is available to the child and their absorbent mind. + - That is to say\... perhaps there are ways to bring Emacs into + the physical world for the very young. I\'ve been fantasizing + about some kind of \"physical lisp\" where young children can + interact with a sort of physical programming language. I don\'t + have a lot of concrete ideas on how to get young children + exploring Emacs, but I  do believe it is possible. + - For older, literate children, I believe simple things that give + instant feedback are a great way to encourage interaction. Being + able to do something like (set-cursor-color \"orange\") and see + it work at your finger tips is amazing. I believe that a well + prepared set up where M-x is easy to access and you get some + kind of completion to show you what you can do would go far.  + Even ielm could be useful. Children are not nearly as afraid of + a command prompt as some grown ups are. They come to it with + much less preconceptions on how it should be used. + - I would like to think more about this, as giving children the + opportunity to experience Emacs feels critical these days, when + they may be forced into using much non-free software just do do + their school work. +- Q4: How big of an impact does the environment have on the children + that you teach? + - A: the environment is huge. giving children a prepared space + where everything is accessible to them, down at their level, the + correct size, etc, it can lead to amazing things. When I worked + with 1.5-3 year olds, I remember telling people it was like + managing a restaurant where my employees were toddlers. I could + work with a group of children to get food served into properly + sized dishes, beverages poured, ceramic plates and glass cups + set on the tables, napkins folded, and so on all finished in + time to get everyone down for lunch before we had major melt + downs.  This would not be possible in a normal grown-up + environment.  + - I\'m not sure i said this in the talk, but the environment is an + active process on all of us, not just children. the 0-6 year + olds (and beyond) are absorbing so much from the environment + that we simply filter out. i think this is important to consider + for new emacs users. I tend to filter out a lot of things that a + new user may pick up and stumble over. + - To re-emphasize: the elements of education are The Learner, The + Guide(s), and The Environment. Montessori focuses on the + Prepared Environment, in order that it can be the most effective + for the child\'s ability to become an independent, self-realized + person. +- Q5:Do you have a good reference for the Montessori principles + (actually any nice book ref)? + - A: I\'d like to find a more modern resource, I\'m sure they are + out there. Much of my experience was direct hands-on classroom + time.  I\'ve read much of \"The Absorbent Mind\" which really + lays out a lot of the observations Maria Montessori made of the + young child, 0-6 years old.  The other book I\'ve studied is + \"The Secret of Childhood\".  I would like to stress though, a + lot of the knowledge in Montessori is very very similar to + traditional knowledge. When I was learning more about Lakota + culture and parenting, I was finding that Montessori was + expressing much of the same thing. Any resource (book, human, + whatever) that respects children as whole human beings is worth + paying attention to. Another author I\'ve enjoyed is Aletha + Solter, who writes about parenting. +- Q6:How do you think Emacs could improve re: Montessori Principles + (if at all)? + - A: My main takeaway is that we should acknowledge the three + elements of learning: The Learner (user), The Guides + (contributors), and The (Prepared) Environment. Each user coming + to Emacs is an individual with their own mix of internal drives + (human tendencies) that compel them to learn and experience. + Everyone that is a contributor to Emacs (whether in code, on the + web, or in chat) acts as a Guide in the environment (whether + they know it or not).  The Prepared Environment could be + considered how the application is set up for users.  I think + there is room for a friendlier Prepared Environment, though I am + always amazed at what I can discover where the self-documenting + feature helps me out.  Interactive tutorials teaching one how to + learn how to learn Emacs would be tricky, but I think some + interesting work could happen there! + - Another principle is \"control of error\", meaning, when you + fail at something or make a mistake, it should be obvious, and + hopefully the correction of the error should be obvious as well. + This is hard to do in a huge software environment like Emacs, + but I think there could be some work done in this regard. I\'m + reminded of Racket\'s beginning student languages, which make + error messages more human focused and less computery is a good + example. + - I think the community could also improve as Guides. I have + certainly had many pleasant interactions with Emacs users, but + sometimes you run into things like \"RTFM\" or \"read the + source\". While I don\'t disagree, it can come off as elitist + sometimes. Many new users are afraid to read source, or have + found a manual but still don\'t understand. We certainly want to + encourage independence, so offering techniques like \"have you + tried M-x describe-function?\"  is better than just answering + outright. Sometimes we need to take a moment and understand the + Learner we\'re working with. Maybe they aren\'t ready for \"read + the source\". I could keep writing, but I think I need to wrap + up. Anyone should feel free to email me to talk more! perhaps + i\'ll try doing some writing about it.  +- Q8: What was the presentation mode you used? + - A: org-tree-slide - - + i love using this package because i can practice and edit my + presentation at the same time. + +Feedback: + - having studied in a school which founded by following Montessori Philosophy, I can relate <3 - Love the emphasis on creativity! - Such a cool talk diff --git a/2021/talks/news.md b/2021/talks/news.md index 29603885..81e1baf3 100644 --- a/2021/talks/news.md +++ b/2021/talks/news.md @@ -24,6 +24,7 @@ You can find the links and images at - Yeah, switch to "smaller" turned out to be quite nice - but noticed projectile greps faster than consult/counsel in a lot of cases - Oh wow, the color picker!!! - + - a huge thank you for such an understandable yet detailed summary of what\'s happening in the Emacs world! + [[!inline pages="internal(2021/captions/news)" raw="yes"]] [[!inline pages="internal(2021/info/news-nav)" raw="yes"]] diff --git a/2021/talks/omegat.md b/2021/talks/omegat.md index 33c46ab9..be00d1ff 100644 --- a/2021/talks/omegat.md +++ b/2021/talks/omegat.md @@ -29,6 +29,10 @@ The sources are regularly updated with a po4a based shell script. IRC nick: brandelune +- Q: Does this project encompass Emacs packages? Is there anything we can do, as package authors, to make translation easier? +- Q: Could this package be used to generate translated and well-formatted MOBI or EPUB ebooks? Or better yet, an interactive multi-language Emacs Manual \"Bible\" App for Android? +- Q: I love OmegaT and use it always. But I would have liked to hear about the experience of working both with Emacs and OmegaT. Can you tell us something about it? + - translation is nice but typing anything non latin or cyrillic is hard with keyboard - Try out the Emacs IMF. One of the main reasons I use Emacs. Input Method Framework: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Input-Methods.html - Hi, thanks for the talk. I love OmegaT and use it always. But I would have liked to here about the experience of working both with Emacs and OmegaT. Can you tell us something about it? diff --git a/2021/talks/unix.md b/2021/talks/unix.md index 14ff82fd..17cd176c 100644 --- a/2021/talks/unix.md +++ b/2021/talks/unix.md @@ -25,6 +25,20 @@ to be more performant than without. IRC nick: thecatster +- Q: So, how do you decide when it\'s not \"worth it\" to use Emacs + for a certain thing? +- Q: What\'s your opinion on EAF? +- Q: What is your opinion on starter-kits and making emacs + accessible, practical for people who want to keep things simple? +- Q: Do you integrate tools via Emacs or you just jump between those? + For example, did you need to integrate your C WM somehow with Emacs? + - A: mostly via keybindings. Thanks for the answer! +- Q: Do you use Emacs for email? + - A: I do, and many more clients too. +- Q: No personal website? + - A: +- Q:When will Emacs improve its GC and support truely multithreading? + Feedback: - I really appreciate this talk's perspective! I'm very invested in living inside, Emacs, but this is also a great perspective! -- cgit v1.2.3