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So, the first question is, "What is an -00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:05.680 -example of a car - -00:00:05.680 --> 00:00:08.800 -a package currently in +00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:08.800 +example of a package currently in 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:12.160 -a non-elpa repo that does not work well +a non-ELPA repo that does not work well 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.759 -with Emacs +with Emacs?" 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.000 -well one of them is s dot el +Well, one of them is s.el, 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:19.760 and this is what made me aware that @@ -25,7 +22,7 @@ and this is what made me aware that there was an issue here that caused 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:25.760 -problems well s.e.l +problems. Well, s.el 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.439 is a beautifully written package @@ -34,67 +31,67 @@ is a beautifully written package that appears to be very useful for 00:00:31.279 --> 00:00:32.800 -people +people. 00:00:32.800 --> 00:00:36.320 -and there's just one thing wrong with it +And there's just one thing wrong with it. 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:39.520 -it gobbled up the name space +It gobbled up the name space 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:43.680 -of symbols starting with s dash +of symbols starting with s dash. 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:47.039 -and I was shocked to discover that +And I was shocked to discover that 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.440 somebody who had not coordinated with 00:00:49.440 --> 00:00:51.760 -the Emacs developers at all +the Emacs developers at all, 00:00:51.760 --> 00:00:55.360 had implemented a package using such a 00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:56.800 -short prefix which +short prefix, which -00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:59.760 -isn't the right way to do things oh by +00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:58.723 +isn't the right way to do things. -00:00:59.760 --> 00:01:01.520 -the way the questions have moved off the +00:00:58.723 --> 00:01:01.520 +Oh, by the way, the questions have moved off the 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.000 -screen this is no good I can continue +screen, this is no good. I can continue 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.360 -answering this one +answering this one, 00:01:05.360 --> 00:01:08.880 -but I'll be stuck when this one is over +but I'll be stuck when this one is over. 00:01:08.880 --> 00:01:12.159 -anyway so uh +Anyway, so… 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.040 -and I was told that there was nothing I +I was told that there was nothing I 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:16.560 -could do about it +could do about it, 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.920 -that so many users packages were using +that so many users, packages were using 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.960 -swl and thus essentially using that +s.el and thus essentially using that 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:24.240 definition 00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:28.080 -of the s dash star symbols +of the s-* symbols, 00:01:28.080 --> 00:01:31.360 that any attempt to use them @@ -103,64 +100,61 @@ that any attempt to use them publicly or privately for anything else 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:38.079 -would lead to horrible problems +would lead to horrible problems. 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:41.680 -and I don't like that +And I don't like that. 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:45.520 -I decided I wanted to do something +I decided, I wanted to do something 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:49.040 -a so that that wouldn't happen again +a) so that wouldn't happen again 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.320 -and b to make it unhappen +and b) to make it unhappen 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:55.119 -in that case well the way to make it +in that case. Well, the way to make it 00:01:55.119 --> 00:01:57.840 unhappen in that case is with a new 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.240 -symbol renaming feature the idea is +symbol renaming feature. The idea is, 00:02:02.240 --> 00:02:05.360 -you rename that file to something else +you rename that file to something else, 00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:09.119 -and then you define an s.e.l that +and then you define an s.el that 00:02:09.119 --> 00:02:11.520 sets up symbol renaming and then loads 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.040 -the something else +the something else. -00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:16.080 -so it actually runs the same code it +00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:15.590 +So, it actually runs the same code, -00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:16.400 -just +00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:16.400 +it just 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.879 doesn't globally define the symbols 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.920 -s dash whatever but they +s dash whatever, but they 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:26.160 appear to work for the programs that -00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:28.319 -explicitly - -00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.640 -require that require sdl +00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:32.640 +explicitly require s.el 00:02:32.640 --> 00:02:36.000 -or the s package so this gets the same +or the s package. So, this gets the same 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.080 behavior for all the programs that are @@ -169,94 +163,85 @@ behavior for all the programs that are using that library 00:02:40.239 --> 00:02:43.360 -and uh doesn't interfere +and doesn't interfere 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.840 -with the global name space at all +with the global name space at all. 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.319 -however to do that we need to have a +However, to do that we need to have a 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.080 package 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.360 -s.e.l that isn't the same +s.el, that isn't the same 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.760 -totally a short file that's totally +totally. A short one file that's totally 00:02:57.760 --> 00:02:58.640 -different +different. 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:01.440 -plus we've got to have the file that +Plus, we've got to have the file that 00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:02.840 normally is called 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.239 -s.e.l available but +s.el available, but 00:03:06.239 --> 00:03:10.319 -uh under another name well +under another name. Well, 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.040 -how are we going to do that we can't put - -00:03:13.040 --> 00:03:14.800 -this into +how are we going to do that? We can't put -00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:18.879 -into Emacs in a nice way that +00:03:13.040 --> 00:03:18.879 +this into Emacs in a nice way that -00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.920 -won't make the uh won't make the +00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:24.560 +won't make the maintainer angry. -00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:24.560 -maintainer angry - -00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.480 -of the mate to the developer of that - -00:03:26.480 --> 00:03:28.159 -package +00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.159 +(or the developer of that package.) 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.080 -but we can do it with non-gnu +But we can do it with NonGNU 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.640 -elpa we can put those two things into +ELPA. We can put those two things into 00:03:34.640 --> 00:03:36.239 -non-gnu elpa +NonGNU ELPA 00:03:36.239 --> 00:03:38.720 -without any difficulty and this shows +without any difficulty. And this shows 00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:40.720 -one of the advantages +one of the advantages. 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:43.280 -we can put files we can put packages +We can put files, we can put packages 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.440 -into non-gdu elpa +into NonGNU ELPA 00:03:45.440 --> 00:03:48.400 -and make changes in them now in general +and make changes in them. Now, in general 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:49.599 we wouldn't 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:51.760 -go to the effort of making big changes +go to the effort of making big changes. 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:54.319 -that's just too much to do +That's just too much to do 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.400 -unless something's really important but +unless something's really important. But 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.000 small changes @@ -265,49 +250,49 @@ small changes that help things fit in are 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.319 -easy to do and +easy to do. 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.120 -uh okay oh so basically the recording +Okay, oh, so basically the recording 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:10.319 -didn't get anything until now I just saw +didn't get anything until now. I just saw 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.439 -a note pop up this session is now being +a note pop up, "this session is now being 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:14.319 -recorded +recorded". 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.320 -I hope it's been recorded all along it +I hope it's been recorded all along. It 00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:18.160 would be a shame to 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.280 -spoil oh good okay +spoil… Oh, good okay. 00:04:21.280 --> 00:04:27.120 -okay good so uh that's one of the issues +So, that's one of the issues. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.479 -uh does non-gnu eopa already exist +"Does NonGNU ELPA already exist 00:04:30.479 --> 00:04:33.840 -or is this a sort of quote plan I don't +or is this a sort of "plan"?" I don't 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:35.360 know why you have to 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.919 -put scare quotes around the word plan +put scare quotes around the word plan. 00:04:37.919 --> 00:04:40.400 -it's sort of in between +It's sort of in between. 00:04:40.400 --> 00:04:44.160 -it's the creation of it is started you +The creation of it is started. You 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:45.440 will find @@ -316,52 +301,52 @@ will find that there is an archive that it's 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.520 -possible to download packages from +possible to download packages from, 00:04:51.520 --> 00:04:54.880 -and there is a repository to put them in +and there is a repository to put them in, 00:04:54.880 --> 00:04:57.120 but that's not the way it's really 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.560 -supposed to work +supposed to work. 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.800 -uh this is not supposed to be like the +This is not supposed to be like the 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:04.320 -new elpa where there's +GNU ELPA, where there's 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:07.280 one repo for all the packages and thus 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:09.039 -anyone who wants to edit any of them +anyone who wants to edit any of them, 00:05:09.039 --> 00:05:11.199 anyone that we want to have edit any of 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:11.680 -them +them, 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.280 has got to have access to the whole 00:05:13.280 --> 00:05:15.440 -thing for one thing +thing for one thing. 00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:18.560 -some packages will make +Some packages will make 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.840 -an arrangement with the developers +an arrangement with the developers, 00:05:21.840 --> 00:05:25.120 and they'll assure us that they will 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.039 -do things as things should be done and +do things as things should be done, and 00:05:27.039 --> 00:05:28.400 then we'll @@ -370,115 +355,109 @@ then we'll have their repo copied automatically 00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:35.919 -or in other cases say +or in other cases, say, 00:05:35.919 --> 00:05:38.160 copied manually with a little checking 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.160 -every so often - -00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.199 -uh and then uh in +every so often. -00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.400 -other cases we'll need to have our own +00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:46.400 +In other cases we'll need to have our own 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:49.440 -repo for a particular package +repo for a particular package. 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:52.479 -but we shouldn't have a single repo for +But we shouldn't have a single repo for 00:05:52.479 --> 00:05:54.400 -all the packages we should have a repo +all the packages. We should have a repo 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:55.919 -for each package +for each package, 00:05:55.919 --> 00:05:57.840 so that the people working on that can 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:01.120 -get access to modify it +get access to modify it. 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.319 -this has to be finished setting up +This has to be finished setting up, 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.080 and we're still working out the 00:06:06.080 --> 00:06:07.680 -procedures +procedures. 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.039 -for instance for making the arrangements +For instance, for making the arrangements 00:06:11.039 --> 00:06:14.400 with the developers of a package so that 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:15.440 -we can +we can, 00:06:15.440 --> 00:06:18.840 -we hope uh entrust its development to - -00:06:18.840 --> 00:06:20.400 -them and +we hope, entrust its development to -00:06:20.400 --> 00:06:24.800 -rely on them directly +00:06:18.840 --> 00:06:24.800 +them and rely on them directly. 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:26.560 -and there may be more that needs to be +And there may be more that needs to be 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.840 -worked on +worked on. 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:36.639 -oh there's so many questions +Oh! There's so many questions. 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.280 -well I hope you the third question is +Well, I hope you… The third question is, 00:06:39.280 --> 00:06:40.880 -what are the benefits +what are the benefits? 00:06:40.880 --> 00:06:43.680 -I hope that people now see the benefits +I hope that people now see the benefits. 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.240 -I've described them +I've described them. 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.599 -uh next question is it possible to work +Next question, "Is it possible to work 00:06:49.599 --> 00:06:51.440 -with the melba team +with the MELPA team 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:54.720 -to integrate that into Emacs +to integrate that into Emacs?" 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.440 -no because the goal doesn't make sense +No, because the goal doesn't make sense. 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:03.759 -melba the way it's done does not belong +MELPA the way it's done, does not belong 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.199 -inside Emacs in any sense well first of +inside Emacs in any sense. Well, first of 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:08.560 -all it can't literally be +all, it can't literally be 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.280 -inside Emacs we don't have copyright +inside Emacs. We don't have copyright 00:07:11.280 --> 00:07:13.280 assignments for that code 00:07:13.280 --> 00:07:18.160 -and to get it would be unfeasible +and to get it would be unfeasible, 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.560 but we're not asking for copyright @@ -487,112 +466,103 @@ but we're not asking for copyright assignments for 00:07:21.520 --> 00:07:25.280 -non-gnu elpa so that's +NonGNU ELPA so that's 00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:27.599 -you might wonder could melpa be merged +you might wonder could MELPA be merged 00:07:27.599 --> 00:07:31.440 -with non-venue elpa the problem is +with NonGNU ELPA? The problem is, 00:07:31.440 --> 00:07:35.039 -melpa doesn't modify the packages +MELPA doesn't modify the packages. 00:07:35.039 --> 00:07:38.240 -it's just a place to find releases of +It's just a place to find releases of 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.360 -packages wherever they happen to be +packages wherever they happen to be, 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.800 and they put packages in with 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.319 -only a little bit of checking +only a little bit of checking. 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.520 -so no we there are a lot of packages +So, no. There are a lot of packages 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:51.919 that are 00:07:51.919 --> 00:07:55.280 -in melpa that we'd like to get into +in MELPA that we'd like to get into 00:07:55.280 --> 00:07:58.479 -non-canoe elpa I don't know the names of +NonGNU ELPA. I don't know the names of 00:07:58.479 --> 00:08:00.800 -most of them but I expect most of them +most of them, but I expect most of them 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:04.160 -would be fine to have but they've got to +would be fine to have. But they've got to 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:08.560 -be looked at one by one +be looked at one by one. 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.000 -there are some rules for non-glpa +There are some rules for NonGNU ELPA, 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.479 and the only way to check them is to 00:08:14.479 --> 00:08:18.000 -check them on one package at a time +check them on one package at a time, 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.160 -and that's going to take effort +and that's going to take effort. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.039 -now with the people who work on melba +Now, with the people who work on MELPA 00:08:25.039 --> 00:08:26.080 want to get involved 00:08:26.080 --> 00:08:29.440 -of this that would be great +of this, that would be great. 00:08:29.440 --> 00:08:32.800 -I haven't tried asking them first we've +I haven't tried asking them. First we've 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:33.919 got to get this thing 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.599 -set up I doubt they would want to +set up. I doubt they would want to, 00:08:37.599 --> 00:08:40.479 -but if they said yes that would be +but if they said yes, that would be 00:08:40.479 --> 00:08:44.159 -wonderful +wonderful. 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.399 -uh any thoughts of packages being +"Any thoughts of packages being 00:08:48.399 --> 00:09:00.959 -added I'm afraid +added…" I'm afraid. -00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:05.440 -um - -00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.200 -I'm afraid any thoughts of packages - -00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.959 -being added as +00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.959 +Any thoughts of packages being added as 00:09:08.959 --> 00:09:11.040 -some url I don't know anything about but +some URL I don't know anything about, but 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:13.120 -it talks about open source - -00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.800 -which means I'm very unlikely to have +it talks about open source, -00:09:16.800 --> 00:09:17.680 -much +00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:17.680 +which means I'm very unlikely to have much 00:09:17.680 --> 00:09:20.959 in common with whatever they say about @@ -601,58 +571,49 @@ in common with whatever they say about either licensing or 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:27.760 -what's right and wrong uh +what's right and wrong. 00:09:27.760 --> 00:09:29.959 -but this seems to be something about +But this seems to be something about -00:09:29.959 --> 00:09:31.920 -disregarding licenses +00:09:29.959 --> 00:09:33.523 +disregarding licenses altogether. -00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:35.680 -altogether well that is basically +00:09:33.523 --> 00:09:35.680 +Well, that is basically 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:39.360 -asking to lose there are reasons +asking to lose. There are reasons 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.360 -why we developed gnu licenses to release +why we developed GNU licenses to release -00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:45.600 -software why we have criteria +00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.490 +software, why we have criteria for which -00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.320 -for which licenses make a program free - -00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.519 -software +00:09:46.490 --> 00:09:49.519 +licenses make a program free software. 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.640 -if the program doesn't carry a license - -00:09:52.640 --> 00:09:55.519 -or if it carries a non-free license that - -00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:56.080 -program +If the program doesn't carry a license -00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.760 -is not free software now you can +00:09:52.640 --> 00:09:55.057 +or if it carries a non-free license, -00:09:59.760 --> 00:10:02.839 -maybe get away with disregarding that +00:09:55.057 --> 00:09:58.323 +that program is not free software. -00:10:02.839 --> 00:10:04.800 -fact uh unless +00:09:58.323 --> 00:10:01.857 +Now, you can maybe get away with -00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:07.600 -somebody an author or publisher stops +00:10:01.857 --> 00:10:04.800 +disregarding that fact unless -00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:08.959 -you +00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:08.959 +somebody, an author or publisher stops you. 00:10:08.959 --> 00:10:11.360 -but we're not going to take we're not +But we're not going to take… we're not 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:12.399 basically going to @@ -664,13 +625,13 @@ disregard the question of whether the software we 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.040 -recommend to people really is free +recommend to people, really is free 00:10:19.040 --> 00:10:21.360 -software or not +software or not. 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.560 -that's basically uh +That's basically 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:27.519 blindfolding yourself to the legal @@ -678,20 +639,17 @@ blindfolding yourself to the legal 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:29.120 situation of the software you're -00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.480 -distributing - -00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.519 -it's a terrible idea uh if they +00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:33.519 +distributing, it's a terrible idea. If they 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.920 disregard our licenses they will hear 00:10:35.920 --> 00:10:38.640 -from us about it +from us about it. 00:10:38.640 --> 00:10:40.959 -and if you want to contribute to the +And if you want to contribute to the 00:10:40.959 --> 00:10:42.720 free world @@ -699,26 +657,20 @@ free world 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.320 put free licenses on your code -00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.640 -and choose good ones to get this - -00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:50.000 -information +00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:47.823 +and choose good ones. -00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.440 -look at gnu.org slash licensing +00:10:47.823 --> 00:10:50.000 +To get this information, -00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:57.120 -in particular slash licenses +00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:57.120 +look at gnu.org/licenses, 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.839 -and one page that input that's important - -00:10:59.839 --> 00:11:01.120 -is license +and one page that's important -00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.040 -dash recommendations.html +00:10:59.839 --> 00:11:05.040 +is license-recommendations.html, 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:07.360 that's where we advise you on what @@ -727,25 +679,25 @@ that's where we advise you on what license we would recommend you use 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.360 -depending on the circumstances +depending on the circumstances. 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.600 -there's also license dash list dot html +There's also license-list.html 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:20.160 which describes a lot of licenses and 00:11:20.160 --> 00:11:22.160 -says which ones are free +says which ones are free, -00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:25.040 -which ones are compatible with the new +00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:23.957 +which ones are compatible -00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:26.160 -gpl +00:11:23.957 --> 00:11:26.160 +with the GNU GPL. 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:28.640 -it's really important to use only gpl +It's really important to use only GPL 00:11:28.640 --> 00:11:31.519 compatible licenses @@ -753,59 +705,53 @@ compatible licenses 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.320 so that the various programs can be -00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:35.519 -combined together - -00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:40.720 -or linked and +00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:40.720 +combined together or linked. 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.120 -you can also get other information about +You can also get other information about 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.240 -gnu licenses +GNU licenses 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:47.040 and the reasons why they are written the 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:55.279 -way they are +way they are. 00:11:55.279 --> 00:12:03.200 -oh sorry I don't see the next question - -00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.600 -oh why do I insist on using per and +Oh sorry, I don't see the next question. -00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.519 -purrs +00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.519 +"Why do I insist on using per and pers?" 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.680 -uh I'm not happy with using +I'm not happy with using 00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:14.959 -they which is a plural pronoun with a +they, which is a plural pronoun with a 00:12:14.959 --> 00:12:17.440 -singular antecedent +singular antecedent. 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.480 -it's bad because it causes +It's bad because it causes 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.800 -confusion that is completely gratuitous +confusion that is completely gratuitous. 00:12:24.800 --> 00:12:28.639 -many sentences become a lot of work +Many sentences become a lot of work 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.200 to parse and understand if you 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.480 -add that ambiguity that source of him of +add that ambiguity, that source of 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.839 -regular ambiguity now +regular ambiguity. Now, 00:12:39.839 --> 00:12:42.720 I do not accept the demands of other @@ -814,10 +760,10 @@ I do not accept the demands of other people 00:12:43.680 --> 00:12:47.519 -in regard to changing my grammar +in regard to changing my grammar. 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.800 -you can try to convince me but +You can try to convince me, but 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:54.240 no one is entitled to give me orders @@ -829,58 +775,58 @@ about that or state their desires and expect 00:12:58.880 --> 00:13:03.200 -obedience not for me and not from you +obedience, not for me and not from you 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.560 -or anyone we are all +or anyone. We are all 00:13:06.560 --> 00:13:09.839 equally entitled to decide 00:13:09.839 --> 00:13:13.200 -how we will speak and how we won't speak +how we will speak and how we won't speak. 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.000 -now I've spelled out all of these points +I've spelled out all of these points -00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.880 -in a file called stolman.org +00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.857 +in a file called -00:13:22.880 --> 00:13:30.120 -articles slash +00:13:19.857 --> 00:13:29.423 +stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html -00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.600 -genderneutrality.html +00:13:29.423 --> 00:13:31.600 +(corrected), 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.760 -of course this is not a gnu project +of course, this is not a GNU project 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:36.000 -policy +policy, 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:46.839 it's my own personal ideas on the 00:13:46.839 --> 00:13:53.920 -subject +subject. 00:13:53.920 --> 00:13:57.120 -if any of you feels offended +If any of you feels offended 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.040 by my referring to you with a singular 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:04.320 -gender neutral pronoun feel free +gender-neutral pronoun, feel free 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.680 -to ex contact me privately +to contact me privately 00:14:07.680 --> 00:14:10.720 -and explain to me your reasons +and explain to me your reasons. 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:14.000 -I will pay attention to them I'll +I will pay attention to them, I'll 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.639 think about them assuming that they're @@ -889,43 +835,43 @@ think about them assuming that they're not something I've already 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:24.079 -considered and decided to dismiss before +considered and decided to dismiss before. 00:14:24.079 --> 00:14:27.760 -but you must not speak to me as if I had +But you must not speak to me as if I had 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:30.240 no business not obeying you because -00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:30.800 -that's +00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:31.690 +that's rude, -00:14:30.800 --> 00:14:34.320 -rude and it is not likely to convince me +00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:34.320 +and it is not likely to convince me 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:40.720 -to change my mind +to change my mind. 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:44.240 I believe it is not actually 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.320 -of stating offense to anyone +of stating offense to anyone, 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.560 and the fact that somebody disagrees 00:14:50.560 --> 00:14:52.880 -with me does not mean I'm wrong +with me does not mean I'm wrong, 00:14:52.880 --> 00:15:00.720 -but I always can be wrong +but I always can be wrong. 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:02.560 -when you wrote that you could add a +"When you wrote that you could add a 00:15:02.560 --> 00:15:05.680 -package to non your new elpa +package to NonGNU ELPA, 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:07.120 are you implying that you would add @@ -934,22 +880,19 @@ are you implying that you would add packages with or without package 00:15:09.199 --> 00:15:11.120 -maintainers knowledge +maintainer's knowledge?" 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.279 -of course the packages we would +Of course, the packages we would 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.000 -we would distribute in this way are free +distribute in this way are free 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.519 -software +software. -00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.920 -everyone is entitled to redistribute - -00:15:21.920 --> 00:15:22.720 -them +00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.720 +Everyone is entitled to redistribute them 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.560 and everyone is also entitled to modify @@ -958,10 +901,10 @@ and everyone is also entitled to modify them 00:15:26.959 --> 00:15:29.199 -and redistribute them that's part of the +and redistribute them, that's part of the 00:15:29.199 --> 00:15:31.680 -meaning of free software +meaning of free software. 00:15:31.680 --> 00:15:35.040 I have been unable to understand @@ -972,86 +915,77 @@ how there came to be an idea 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:42.560 that those who redistribute packages -00:15:42.560 --> 00:15:45.600 -have some idea to be mere - -00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.360 -some obligation to be near mirrors +00:15:42.560 --> 00:15:49.360 +have some obligation to be mere mirrors 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:54.480 -and not modify things themselves +and not modify things themselves. 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.560 -well if a package is +Well, if a package is 00:15:58.560 --> 00:16:01.440 being maintained by developers who are 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.440 -cooperating with us +cooperating with us, 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.240 -we'll normally just leave it to them +we'll normally just leave it to them. 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.360 -after all +After all, -00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.079 -we have lots of other work to do they +00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.590 +we have lots of other work to do. -00:16:10.079 --> 00:16:10.399 -are +00:16:09.590 --> 00:16:12.390 +They are clearly experts on -00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:14.000 -clearly experts on the packages they've - -00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.600 -developed +00:16:12.390 --> 00:16:15.600 +the packages they've developed, 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.399 let's leave it to them if they make that 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.800 -sort of arrangement with us but +sort of arrangement with us. But 00:16:22.800 --> 00:16:26.480 -that's up to them we can't insist that +that's up to them, we can't insist that 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.120 -anyone make an arrangement with us +anyone make an arrangement with us, 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.720 but since those programs are free -00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.279 -software anyone c is - -00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.639 -free to redistribute them and we will do +00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.723 +software, anyone is free to redistribute them, -00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:41.839 -that +00:16:35.723 --> 00:16:41.839 +and we will do that. 00:16:41.839 --> 00:16:45.519 -have you ever used vi or vim or +"Have you ever used vi or vim or 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:52.079 -evil mode no +evil mode?" No. 00:16:52.079 --> 00:16:53.920 -are there any plans to implement +"Are there any plans to implement 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:56.800 -security considerations in non-gnu +security considerations in NonGNU -00:16:56.800 --> 00:17:00.720 -elpa uh we probably +00:16:56.800 --> 00:16:58.657 +ELPA?" -00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.959 -should and this will have to be +00:16:58.657 --> 00:17:01.890 +We probably should, -00:17:02.959 --> 00:17:04.959 -implemented +00:17:01.890 --> 00:17:04.959 +and this will have to be implemented, 00:17:04.959 --> 00:17:08.559 but at the moment @@ -1063,7 +997,7 @@ developer Emacs maintainers will copy packages 00:17:13.280 --> 00:17:18.160 -into it and so as long as they are +into it, and so as long as they are 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.160 verifying the packages and getting the @@ -1071,14 +1005,14 @@ verifying the packages and getting the 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.480 packages from the right place -00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.199 -that will take care of the security once +00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:24.690 +that will take care of the security. -00:17:25.199 --> 00:17:25.919 -there is +00:17:24.690 --> 00:17:25.919 +Once there is… 00:17:25.919 --> 00:17:30.160 -when with automatic copying in +When with automatic copying in, 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.200 will have to do something to @@ -1087,40 +1021,37 @@ will have to do something to make sure that we're fetching the 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:40.320 -packages securely +packages securely. -00:17:40.320 --> 00:17:43.360 -and uh some of you might be interested - -00:17:43.360 --> 00:17:44.000 -in +00:17:40.320 --> 00:17:44.000 +Some of you might be interested in 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.080 helping to design and implement this 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:48.000 -system +system. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.559 -uh what distro do I use +"What distro do I use?" 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.720 -uh well which distro of gnu slash linux +Well, which distro of GNU/Linux 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:58.000 -do I use +do I use? 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:03.520 -I use tree scale +I use Trisquel, 00:18:03.520 --> 00:18:07.200 I haven't tried most of the free distros 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.080 -and the reason is it's not crucial that +and the reason is, it's not crucial that 00:18:10.080 --> 00:18:11.120 -I do so +I do so, 00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:13.520 we don't need me to rate the various @@ -1132,13 +1063,13 @@ free distros on practical questions because anyone can 00:18:17.520 --> 00:18:20.000 -do that as well as I can +do that as well as I can. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:24.400 -and so you can tell people what +And so you can tell people what 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:27.760 -you think of using them for me what's +you think of using them. For me, what's 00:18:27.760 --> 00:18:29.360 important to me @@ -1150,16 +1081,16 @@ is to inform people of the difference between the free distros 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.799 -and the non-free distros making sure +and the non-free distros, making sure 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.799 people are aware that if you 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.000 -install a non-free gnu slash linux +install a non-free GNU/Linux 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.600 -distro you'll get a free operating +distro, you'll get a free operating 00:18:45.600 --> 00:18:46.720 system with @@ -1168,28 +1099,25 @@ system with non-free stuff in various quantities 00:18:49.919 --> 00:18:54.160 -added thus you will not reach freedom +added, thus you will not reach freedom, 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.240 -although you you'll make a lot of +although you'll make a lot of 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:57.520 progress compared 00:18:57.520 --> 00:19:01.039 -with using for instance windows or +with using for instance, Windows or 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.919 -mac os or whatever vicious thing it +macOS or whatever vicious thing it 00:19:03.919 --> 00:19:06.160 -might be - -00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.559 -I'd like to I'd like to people to be +might be. -00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:09.760 -aware +00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.760 +I'd like people to be aware 00:19:09.760 --> 00:19:12.799 of this next step towards @@ -1198,31 +1126,25 @@ of this next step towards getting freedom for yourself and your 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.160 -own computing +own computing, 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:24.480 -so that you can do that if you want to - -00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.039 -uh +so that you can do that if you want to. 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.360 -so who gets to make the final decision - -00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:32.799 -regarding +"Who gets to make the final decision -00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:36.640 -non-gnu elpa the +00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:35.157 +regarding NonGNU ELPA?" -00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.200 -emax maintainers are going to be in +00:19:35.157 --> 00:19:38.690 +The Emacs maintainers are -00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:40.960 -charge of this +00:19:38.690 --> 00:19:40.960 +going to be in charge of this, 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.480 -but because it's not +because it's not 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.760 just a technical decision it has with @@ -1237,55 +1159,52 @@ but in general unless there's some severe problem with the package we will 00:19:57.760 --> 00:20:03.600 -want to put it in +want to put it in, -00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:06.400 -and I expect most packages won't have a +00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:05.757 +and I expect most packages -00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:07.440 -problem +00:20:05.757 --> 00:20:07.440 +won't have a problem, -00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.919 -and we can just put them in when we get +00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.357 +and we can just put them in -00:20:09.919 --> 00:20:11.679 -to them +00:20:09.357 --> 00:20:11.679 +when we get to them. 00:20:11.679 --> 00:20:15.919 -won't the elpa link to non-free sites +"Won't the ELPA link to non-free sites 00:20:15.919 --> 00:20:17.600 -like github +like GitHub?" 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:20.799 -uh it's a mistake to talk about a +It's a mistake to talk about a 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:25.760 -non-free site +non-free site, 00:20:25.760 --> 00:20:29.120 -because a site is not a program +because a site is not a program. -00:20:29.120 --> 00:20:32.159 -a program is either free or non-free and +00:20:29.120 --> 00:20:32.123 +A program is either free or non-free, -00:20:32.159 --> 00:20:32.960 -we have +00:20:32.123 --> 00:20:32.960 +and we have 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.480 clearly stated criteria for that in -00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.679 -gnu.org philosophy slash - -00:20:39.679 --> 00:20:43.039 -free dash sw.html we have the free +00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.457 +gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.360 -software definition +00:20:42.457 --> 00:20:45.360 +we have the free software definition, 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:51.919 -but a site well their programs on it +but a site, well, there're programs on it, 00:20:51.919 --> 00:20:54.000 but it doesn't make sense to ask whether @@ -1294,52 +1213,52 @@ but it doesn't make sense to ask whether the site is 00:20:55.120 --> 00:20:58.000 -free or not it's too simplistic a +free or not, it's too simplistic a 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:58.880 question 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:02.000 -to have a meaningful answer now one +to have a meaningful answer. Now, one 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.679 -thing you can ask about is does the site +thing you can ask about is, does the site 00:21:05.679 --> 00:21:08.799 -send javascript to the user's machine +send JavaScript to the user's machine, 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.760 -to the user's browser and if so is that +to the user's browser and if so, is that 00:21:11.760 --> 00:21:12.960 -javascript +JavaScript 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.120 -non-free well github +non-free. Well, GitHub 00:21:17.120 --> 00:21:19.919 -does send non-free javascript for some +does send non-free JavaScript for some 00:21:19.919 --> 00:21:21.200 -operations +operations, 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.240 so we consider it unsatisfactory as a 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.159 -repository +repository, 00:21:26.159 --> 00:21:29.600 -but uh that doesn't mean linking to it +but that doesn't mean linking to it 00:21:29.600 --> 00:21:33.360 -for is a bad thing to do regardless of +is a bad thing to do regardless of 00:21:33.360 --> 00:21:34.720 -what the purpose is +what the purpose is. 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:36.640 -for instance if the purpose is to refer +For instance, if the purpose is to refer 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:38.240 to some things @@ -1348,34 +1267,31 @@ to some things that you can access without running the 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.880 -non-free javascript +non-free JavaScript, 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.200 -then it's okay for that purpose +then it's okay for that purpose. 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.480 -so if now that you understand the +So, if now that you understand the 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.559 -details of this issue +details of this issue, 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.880 you think that there is a problem with -00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.919 -the - -00:21:55.919 --> 00:22:00.080 -link to camel there's +00:21:54.880 --> 00:22:00.080 +the link to caml…, there's, 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:03.679 -sorry a link in camel dot html +sorry, a link in caml.html, -00:22:03.679 --> 00:22:06.799 -well report it to +00:22:03.679 --> 00:22:08.823 +well, report it to bug-gnu-emacs, -00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:10.880 -uh bug gnu emax reported as an Emacs bug +00:22:08.823 --> 00:22:10.880 +report it as an Emacs bug, 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.159 but do think about the criteria I've @@ -1384,49 +1300,49 @@ but do think about the criteria I've just said because maybe it's not a 00:22:15.840 --> 00:22:18.000 -problem +problem. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.840 -is it okay to use the gnu of pharaoh gpl +"Is it okay to use the GNU Affero GPL 00:22:21.840 --> 00:22:24.559 -for emax packages +for Emacs packages?" 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:28.880 -yes it is +Yes it is. 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.120 -uh which is your favorite programming +"Which is your favorite programming 00:22:31.120 --> 00:22:32.080 -language +language? 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:35.200 -if lisp which variant +If Lisp, which variant?" 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.400 -well I don't exactly have a +Well, I don't exactly have a 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.760 -favorite variant but +favorite variant, but 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:45.120 -when I designed Emacs lisp I +when I designed Emacs Lisp, I 00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:47.520 did the best thing I could think of at 00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:48.799 -the time +the time, 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.559 -subject to the need to keep it small +subject to the need to keep it small. 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.520 -for the first few years it was important +For the first few years it was important 00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:56.960 -for gdu Emacs +for GNU Emacs 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.840 to run in a machine which could only @@ -1435,10 +1351,10 @@ to run in a machine which could only give it half 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.480 -a meg of user space +a meg of user space. 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:06.559 -so there are a lot of constructs that +So, there are a lot of constructs that 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:09.200 clearly were desirable to include @@ -1459,16 +1375,16 @@ since because it's been a long time since we needed to 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:40.960 -keep Emacs so rigorously small +keep Emacs so rigorously small. 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.240 -um someone is +Someone is 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.679 asking about the 00:23:47.679 --> 00:23:51.360 -fsf's repository project well +FSF's repository project. Well, 00:23:51.360 --> 00:23:54.400 we agreed that there would be another @@ -1477,31 +1393,28 @@ we agreed that there would be another virtual machine 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:59.919 -running one of those for the gnu project +running one of those for the GNU project, 00:23:59.919 --> 00:24:15.840 -but that's as far as the discussion went +but that's as far as the discussion went. 00:24:15.840 --> 00:24:20.480 -question 17 is extremely insulting +Question 17 is extremely insulting! 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:25.600 -I have not engaged in sexual harassment +I have not engaged in sexual harassment, 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:28.720 don't expect me to plead guilty to such -00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:28.960 -a - -00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.640 -nasty claim +00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.640 +a nasty claim. 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.600 -people have been accusing me of many +People have been accusing me of many 00:24:35.600 --> 00:24:36.799 -things +things, 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.919 some of which are @@ -1509,32 +1422,29 @@ some of which are 00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:43.120 basically mole hills and some of which -00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:46.559 -are false so +00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.423 +are false. -00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:50.640 -uh I'm not going to give them +00:24:44.423 --> 00:24:50.640 +So, I'm not going to give them 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.840 -anything I have been bullied in a - -00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:56.400 -horrible way +anything, I have been bullied in a -00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.679 -that was wrong +00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:59.679 +horrible way, that was wrong. 00:24:59.679 --> 00:25:02.720 I would like the bullies to apologize to 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:03.520 -me +me, 00:25:03.520 --> 00:25:06.320 -and when I see that they're not bullying +and when I see that they're not bullying, 00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:08.960 -I will forgive them +I will forgive them. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.279 I would like to have conversations with @@ -1543,94 +1453,88 @@ I would like to have conversations with them if any of the mole hills 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.840 -annoyed someone I'm happy to talk +annoyed someone, I'm happy to talk 00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:20.880 -with her and thus +with per and thus 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:31.120 -uh help help resolve things with peace +help resolve things with peace. -00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:35.120 -and my opinion on - -00:25:35.120 --> 00:25:39.200 -quote diversity within +00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:39.200 +And my opinion on "diversity" within 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.720 -Emacs well Emacs is +Emacs. Well, Emacs is 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.679 -never going to be diverse it is extended - -00:25:45.679 --> 00:25:46.480 -in +never going to be diverse, it is extended -00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.760 -one language Emacs lisp +00:25:45.679 --> 00:25:49.760 +in one language, Emacs Lisp. 00:25:49.760 --> 00:25:53.279 -well I don't know uh we did have an idea +Well, I don't know, we did have an idea 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.840 of implementing extensibility using 00:25:55.840 --> 00:25:58.400 -scheme and the hope was that guile +Scheme and the hope was that Guile 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.120 -could be integrated with Emacs that +could be integrated with Emacs, that 00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:02.960 -turned out to be difficult it may be +turned out to be difficult, it may be 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.279 impossible but in principle 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.520 -it might be a good thing that would be a +it might be a good thing, that would be a 00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:11.039 -small amount of diversity +small amount of diversity, 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.960 -but it's not that important +but it's not that important. 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.960 -what I think is really important for +What I think is really important for 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.880 developing Emacs 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.799 -is to make it do word processing +is to make it do word processing. 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.039 -I sometimes use libra office +I sometimes use LibreOffice, 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.080 -and yeah I can make it do things +and yeah I can make it do things. 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:32.799 -it has features for wysiwyg which are +It has features for WYSIWYG which are 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:34.880 -very nice +very nice, 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.000 -but it's in other regards +but it's in other regards, 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.400 -it's not Emacs and it doesn't have the +it's not Emacs, and it doesn't have the 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.400 -abilities of Emacs +abilities of Emacs, 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.600 -and it should +and it should. 00:26:45.600 --> 00:26:48.400 -so I urge people to work on extending +So, I urge people to work on extending 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.039 Emacs @@ -1639,73 +1543,70 @@ Emacs in that direction adding the features 00:26:51.600 --> 00:27:13.600 -that a word processor has to have +that a word processor has to have. -00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:16.640 -the last question I can answer is +00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:17.957 +The last question I can answer is 18. -00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:21.679 -18 but yes it's a very sad thing +00:27:17.957 --> 00:27:21.679 +Yes, it's a very sad thing 00:27:21.679 --> 00:27:24.960 how many companies 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.399 -insist on using non-free software +insist on using non-free software. 00:27:28.399 --> 00:27:33.200 -well I would get a different kind of job +Well, I would get a different kind of job, 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.799 that's a decision I made many years ago 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.320 -early in the gnu project +early in the GNU project, 00:27:40.320 --> 00:27:42.799 -I decided I would not first I would not +I decided, I would not… first I would not 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.679 -get a job developing non-free software +get a job developing non-free software. 00:27:47.679 --> 00:27:50.960 -and later on I decided +And later on I decided, 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.880 once I could stop using non-free 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.120 -software that is once we had +software, that is once we had 00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:00.799 -a gnu slash linux system that we could +a GNU/Linux system that we could 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:08.320 -switch over to and uh +switch over to and… 00:28:08.320 --> 00:28:11.679 -oh wait I thought I thought magic wand +Oh, wait. I thought magic wand 00:28:11.679 --> 00:28:16.240 -time meant it was time to stop +time meant it was time to stop, 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:21.039 -but now I rather ask the question - -00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:27.760 -uh +but now I rather ask the question. 00:28:27.760 --> 00:28:32.480 -so what do you do well if I were you +So, what do you do, well, if I were you, 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:35.679 I'd probably not work for any of those 00:28:35.679 --> 00:28:37.440 -companies +companies. 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.679 -if I needed to make money I'd get a job +If I needed to make money, I'd get a job, 00:28:39.679 --> 00:28:40.799 but I get some @@ -1717,16 +1618,16 @@ other kind of job that didn't involve using software 00:28:48.080 --> 00:28:51.039 -I would or that let me choose the +or that let me choose the 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.600 -software I would use +software I would use. 00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:56.880 -but I would live cheaply you know the +But I would live cheaply, you know, the 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.000 -less you spend +less you spend, 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.640 the less you need to make and the more @@ -1744,7 +1645,7 @@ and the more flexibility you have in which paid work 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:13.039 -you can do being in a position +you can do. Being in a position 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.399 to say no to avoid being @@ -1753,22 +1654,22 @@ to say no to avoid being desperate to say yes 00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:27.440 -uh strengthens your position +strengthens your position, 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.200 -and you need that one way you can help +and you need that. One way you can help 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.279 do that is by 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.559 -not having children now that is a +not having children. Now, that is a 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.960 -tangent but it can't be denied that +tangent, but it can't be denied that 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.760 -raising children is very expensive I +raising children is very expensive, I 00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:42.399 have heard @@ -1777,7 +1678,7 @@ have heard many people say that they are 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.080 -uncomfortable with their jobs +uncomfortable with their jobs, 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:50.880 but they have to do those jobs to make @@ -1786,28 +1687,25 @@ but they have to do those jobs to make enough money 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.440 -to support their children +to support their children. 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.120 -well think about that be aware +Well, think about that, be aware 00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:01.520 -that's likely to happen to you before +that's likely to happen to you, before 00:30:01.520 --> 00:30:06.159 -you make that decision +you make that decision. -00:30:06.159 --> 00:30:10.000 -what would I - -00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.279 -what would I change about free software +00:30:06.159 --> 00:30:13.279 +"What would I change about free software?" 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.960 -well since this is +Well, since this is 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.880 -magic I would magically find +magic, I would magically find 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:25.600 a way of showing everyone why @@ -1816,7 +1714,7 @@ a way of showing everyone why most free software needs to be copy 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.679 -lifted +lefted, 00:30:29.679 --> 00:30:32.480 so that our community would not @@ -1828,10 +1726,10 @@ basically submit to abuse by proprietary software 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:45.919 -developers +developers. 00:30:45.919 --> 00:30:49.760 -of course I could go further if I could +Of course, I could go further if I could 00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:53.279 magically recruit a hundred thousand @@ -1840,16 +1738,16 @@ magically recruit a hundred thousand good programmers to do lots of work 00:30:55.760 --> 00:30:57.919 -improving free software +improving free software. 00:30:57.919 --> 00:31:01.039 -we might well if we could do this 20 +We might… Well, if we could do this 20 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.279 -years ago we might have wiped out +years ago, we might have wiped out 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.559 -non-free systems and then we wouldn't +non-free systems, and then we wouldn't 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:07.200 have had @@ -1858,7 +1756,7 @@ have had horrible things like 00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:14.480 -world wide web drm that +World Wide Web DRM, that 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.000 no one has the courage to resist @@ -1867,100 +1765,94 @@ no one has the courage to resist if they're desperately trying to get 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.640 -money for anything +money for anything, 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.240 -and if they need approval of companies +and if they need approval of companies, 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.519 -of the big companies that push for drm +of the big companies that push for DRM, 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.960 -uh then they don't dare even resist as +then they don't dare even resist as 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:38.240 -much as they can resist +much as they can resist. 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.880 -and look what happened to the world wide +And look what happened to the World Wide 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.200 -web consortium +Web consortium, 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:47.279 -uh they surrendered blatantly +they surrendered blatantly 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.399 and ignominiously by 00:31:50.399 --> 00:31:55.760 -endorsing the drm system +endorsing the DRM system. 00:31:55.760 --> 00:31:59.600 -so what can you do I don't have a magic +So what can you do? I don't have a magic 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:00.880 -wand +wand, 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.720 I'm a human being with the capabilities -00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.559 -I have - -00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.919 -but the advantage of +00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:09.919 +I have, but the advantage of 00:32:09.919 --> 00:32:12.840 great firmness in campaigning for free 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:14.000 -software +software, 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.240 and this enables me to do things 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:27.679 -that no one else will do +that no one else will do. 00:32:27.679 --> 00:32:30.480 -what tools from pre unix days do you +"What tools from pre-UNIX days do you 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.519 -miss +miss?" 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.240 -well I don't I don't think about them - -00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:34.880 -with +Well, I don't. I don't think about them -00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.640 -missing them actually but +00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.640 +with missing them actually. 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.080 -it was sort of nice to have +It was sort of nice to have 00:32:42.080 --> 00:32:46.240 -ddt as your login shell +ddt as your login shell. 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.600 -so in using modern terminology +So, in using modern terminology, 00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:52.640 because that meant at any time you could 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.519 -stop a program lotus debugging symbols +stop a program, load its debugging symbols, 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.519 and start examining the data in the 00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.799 -instructions +instructions. 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.519 -you could debug it that way and then you +You could debug it that way, and then you 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.039 could even @@ -1969,28 +1861,28 @@ could even patch in instructions to continue 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.760 -running that job with the bug fixed +running that job with the bug fixed, 00:33:09.760 --> 00:33:11.600 -in fact you could even do this with the +in fact, you could even do this with the 00:33:11.600 --> 00:33:13.919 -system kernel +system kernel, -00:33:13.919 --> 00:33:16.640 -so that your jobs wouldn't get lost I +00:33:13.919 --> 00:33:16.423 +so that your jobs wouldn't get lost. -00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:17.840 -did that +00:33:16.423 --> 00:33:17.840 +I did that 00:33:17.840 --> 00:33:20.559 -quite a few times of course sometimes I +quite a few times, of course, sometimes I 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.720 -saw what was wrong and I just had to +saw what was wrong, and I just had to 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.919 -fix a piece of data but sometimes +fix a piece of data, but sometimes 00:33:25.919 --> 00:33:28.240 it took me a long time to figure out how @@ -1999,67 +1891,67 @@ it took me a long time to figure out how to get the system to 00:33:29.679 --> 00:33:32.480 -keep on going but with the work I had +keep on going. But with the work I had 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.240 -done +done, 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:39.279 -I didn't want to lose that work +I didn't want to lose that work, 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.600 -and so one of the first features I put +and, so one of the first features I put 00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:43.039 -into gdu Emacs was +into GNU Emacs was 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.760 -auto save +auto save. 00:33:47.760 --> 00:33:50.640 -uh I'm not going to try to figure out +I'm not going to try to figure out 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.320 -which packages I re I actually used +which packages I actually used. 00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:56.480 -uh if I knew I would get hit by a bus +"If I knew, I would get hit by a bus 00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.039 -tomorrow +tomorrow, 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.320 -uh say because of a fortune teller +say because of a fortune-teller." 00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:05.039 -no a fortune teller doesn't give you any +No, a fortune-teller doesn't give you any 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:06.240 -knowledge it's just +knowledge, it's just 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.159 -superstitious uh hand waving +superstitious hand waving. 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.760 -so assuming that I +So, assuming that I 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.480 -talked that I got a reading from a +talked… that I got a reading from a 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.879 -fortune teller which is +fortune-teller, which is 00:34:18.879 --> 00:34:23.119 -implausible enough to begin with uh +implausible enough to begin with, 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.040 that wouldn't give me any knowledge 00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:28.320 -about what was going to happen to me +about what was going to happen to me. 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.879 -oh by the way fortune tellers generally +Oh, by the way fortune-tellers generally 00:34:32.879 --> 00:34:34.960 play back to you facts that they've @@ -2068,7 +1960,7 @@ play back to you facts that they've discovered about you 00:34:36.879 --> 00:34:40.480 -together with cold reading which means +together with cold reading, which means, 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.440 they say things calculated to make it @@ -2077,40 +1969,34 @@ they say things calculated to make it appear that they know 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.119 -more than they do or things that are +more than they do or things that 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.399 -uh that sound wise to anyone +sound wise to anyone, 00:34:52.399 --> 00:34:55.679 -so you can say the same thing to +so you can say the same thing to, 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.800 -uh say 100 people +say, 100 people 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.000 -and 80 or 90 of them will say boy that +and 80 or 90 of them will say, "boy that 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.480 -was really accurate +was really accurate". -00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.400 -but what if for some reason - -00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.119 -uh about +00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:15.119 +But what if for some reason… 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.440 -what what advice would I give for +"What advice would I give for 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:18.560 stewardship of -00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:22.079 -Emacs well basically - -00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.359 -focus on +00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:25.359 +Emacs?" Well, basically focus on 00:35:25.359 --> 00:35:28.480 keeping the community strong in @@ -2119,7 +2005,7 @@ keeping the community strong in defending 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.640 -freedom if you have a choice between +freedom, if you have a choice between 00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:34.400 keeping the community strong in @@ -2131,52 +2017,52 @@ defending freedom and getting more people to participate 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:40.720 -in the development +in the development, -00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:43.839 -you've got to choose the freedom it is +00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:42.890 +you've got to choose the freedom. -00:35:43.839 --> 00:35:44.400 -very +00:35:42.890 --> 00:35:44.400 +It is very 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.400 easy for free software projects to 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.320 -subordinate freedom to other criteria +subordinate freedom to other criteria, 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.359 -and once that happens it's +and once that happens, it's 00:35:55.359 --> 00:35:58.079 easy for those who don't care much about 00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:58.720 -freedom +freedom, 00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:00.800 -such as sometimes companies that might +such as, sometimes companies that might 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.640 offer you some money 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:08.160 -to purchase your soul +to purchase your soul, 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:10.560 not that there are really things that 00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:14.240 -exist called souls it's a metaphor but +exist called souls, it's a metaphor, but 00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:16.560 it's an important metaphor for something 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.800 -important +important. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.880 -people in the community have to be +People in the community have to be 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.320 thinking about freedom @@ -2185,37 +2071,37 @@ thinking about freedom when they make decisions about what is 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.839 -wise to do +wise to do. 00:36:31.839 --> 00:36:36.480 -the decision to devel to set up non-glpa +The decision to set up NonGNU ELPA -00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.839 -has a drawback it was a compromise now a +00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.357 +has a drawback, it was a compromise. -00:36:39.839 --> 00:36:41.520 -lot of people will +00:36:39.357 --> 00:36:41.520 +Now, a lot of people will 00:36:41.520 --> 00:36:44.560 tell you that I am uncompromising and 00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:46.240 -say that that's a flaw +say that, that's a flaw. 00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:48.720 -well they're wrong I make little +Well, they're wrong. I make little 00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:50.320 compromises 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.040 -very often and occasionally I make a +very often, and occasionally I make a 00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:55.359 -medium-sized compromise +medium-sized compromise. 00:36:55.359 --> 00:36:58.880 -the compromise is in the past we wanted +The compromise is, in the past we wanted 00:36:58.880 --> 00:36:59.359 to get @@ -2223,80 +2109,80 @@ to get 00:36:59.359 --> 00:37:01.599 copyright assignments for the packages -00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.400 -in gnu +00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.823 +in GNU ELPA, -00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.240 -elpa so that we could move them into +00:37:03.823 --> 00:37:06.240 +so that we could move them into 00:37:06.240 --> 00:37:09.119 -core Emacs and of course sometimes we +core Emacs, and of course, sometimes we 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.200 -move packages in the other direction +move packages in the other direction, 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:14.480 -that way we are where we distribute a +that way where we distribute a 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.160 -given package +given package, 00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:18.160 is something we can decide purely 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:20.880 -technically +technically. 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.200 -and however make insisting on getting +And however make insisting on getting 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:26.800 copyright assignments for all the 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:28.640 -packages in gnu elpa +packages in GNU ELPA 00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:32.079 -meant that we had to say sorry no +meant that we had to say "sorry, no, 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.119 -we will not install that packages in +we will not install that 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.560 -packaging dewey lpa unless the +package in GNU ELPA, unless the -00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:41.520 -authors sign copyright assignments and +00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:40.957 +authors sign copyright assignments". -00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:44.079 -sometimes that's a lot of trouble +00:37:40.957 --> 00:37:44.079 +And sometimes that's a lot of trouble. 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.520 -well non-glpa +Well, NonGNU ELPA -00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:50.160 -won't require copyright assignments if +00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:50.123 +won't require copyright assignments. -00:37:50.160 --> 00:37:51.520 -there's a free package +00:37:50.123 --> 00:37:51.520 +If there's a free package, 00:37:51.520 --> 00:37:54.560 -we can make whatever changes presumably +we can make whatever changes, presumably 00:37:54.560 --> 00:37:57.200 -small otherwise we would probably say +small, otherwise, we would probably say 00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:00.560 -we don't have time but and then +we don't have time, and then 00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:04.560 -put it in but it does have the drawback +put it in. But it does have the drawback 00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:05.599 -that +that, 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.680 -we in general we won't be able to move +in general we won't be able to move 00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:09.119 those packages @@ -2308,49 +2194,49 @@ into core Emacs without getting the legal papers then that we 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.160 -didn't get before +didn't get before. 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:24.320 -how do you see the future of gdu Emacs +"How do you see the future of GNU Emacs?" 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.599 -uh I don't see the future +I don't see the future. 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.839 I used to say that my crystal ball is 00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:31.680 -cloudy today +cloudy today, 00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:35.680 -unfortunately that has another +unfortunately, that has another -00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:39.040 -meaning which is quite ironic uh we +00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:38.423 +meaning which is quite ironic. -00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:41.200 -certainly don't want +00:38:38.423 --> 00:38:41.200 +We certainly don't want 00:38:41.200 --> 00:38:44.800 our lives to be 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:48.480 -somewhere in a cloud because +somewhere in a cloud, because 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.119 -that clouds your mind and then people +that clouds remind, and then people 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:51.599 start 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.240 -cheating you and taking advantage of you +cheating you and taking advantage of you, 00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:56.880 -and it's horrible +and it's horrible. 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.160 -but uh I don't see the future I just +But I don't see the future, I just 00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:02.720 can be sure from the past that there @@ -2365,28 +2251,28 @@ challenges where some of the people involved want to make a big compromise 00:39:10.720 --> 00:39:12.960 -that isn't worth it +that isn't worth it, 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.880 -and they some they may even get the +and they may even get the 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:18.079 impression that it's 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.200 -up to them well actually +up to them. Well, actually 00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:24.480 Emacs has appointed maintainers just as 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.440 -every gdu package does and they are the +every GNU package does, and they are the 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.280 ones in charge of developing that 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.480 -package +package, 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.400 and this is for a good reason @@ -2398,7 +2284,7 @@ because the appointed maintainers take responsibility 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.240 -to carry out the gnu project policies +to carry out the GNU project policies, 00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:44.079 and most important of all @@ -2407,124 +2293,124 @@ and most important of all are the ones that make the whole system 00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:47.520 -work together +work together, 00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:52.640 and the ethical standards 00:39:52.640 --> 00:39:59.920 -to respect freedom and defend freedom +to respect freedom and defend freedom. 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:02.240 -is there any plan to move more packages +"Is there any plan to move more packages 00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:04.960 -from core Emacs into elpa +from core Emacs into ELPA?" 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.480 -uh I don't know uh +I don't know 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.440 -whether there is a plan I suppose if +whether there is a plan, I suppose if 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.720 -there's a plan +there's a plan, 00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:15.680 -we probably would have done it if there +we probably would have done it. If there 00:40:15.680 --> 00:40:16.960 -had been a plan +had been a plan, -00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.839 -some have been moved I don't see this as +00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.657 +some have been moved. -00:40:19.839 --> 00:40:20.319 -a +00:40:18.657 --> 00:40:20.319 +I don't see this as a 00:40:20.319 --> 00:40:22.400 -fundamentally important issue it's a +fundamentally important issue, it's a 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.160 matter of what's convenient for 00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:26.640 -the users and their advantages and +the users, and their advantages and 00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:29.599 -disadvantages to each choice +disadvantages to each choice. 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.800 -what is your opinion on higher education +"What is your opinion on higher education 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.760 -uh requiring non-free software for +requiring non-free software, for 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:36.720 -instance +instance…" 00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:40.400 -well I wouldn't I wouldn't +Well, I wouldn't 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.440 -matriculate in a school which did that +matriculate in a school which did that, 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:50.960 -unless I saw a way I could refuse +unless I saw a way I could refuse. 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.960 -now of course I do this +Now, of course, I do this 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.760 -because I can get away with it and +because I can get away with it, and 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.240 therefore my doing it is extremely 00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:04.960 -important to show somebody does resist +important to show somebody does resist. 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.400 I don't expect most people who support 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:09.359 -free school +free school, 00:41:09.359 --> 00:41:12.319 who advocate free software to go that 00:41:12.319 --> 00:41:13.599 -far +far. 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.760 -uh I published an article in the spring +I published an article in the spring 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.040 entitled saying no even once 00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:24.640 -is helping saying no to non-free +is helping, saying no to non-free 00:41:24.640 --> 00:41:25.359 software 00:41:25.359 --> 00:41:29.040 -even once because +even once, because 00:41:29.040 --> 00:41:32.240 -the more you do it the more you help but +the more you do it, the more you help, but 00:41:32.240 --> 00:41:34.640 even doing it a little in a way that 00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:36.640 -other people notice +other people notice, 00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:39.920 -is starting to help so +is starting to help. So, 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.440 -uh please don't think that your choices +please don't think that your choices 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.119 are either @@ -2536,13 +2422,13 @@ be as firm and stubborn as I am or just give up and let yourself drift 00:41:52.240 --> 00:41:56.240 -helplessly as if you had no volition +helplessly as if you had no volition. 00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:58.079 -there are a lot of points in between +There are a lot of points in between 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.720 -there and you can surely +there, and you can surely 00:42:00.720 --> 00:42:04.079 manage to say no some of the time @@ -2551,109 +2437,109 @@ manage to say no some of the time and show people an example of saying no 00:42:07.839 --> 00:42:11.040 -some of the time for instance you could +some of the time, for instance, you could 00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:12.720 -say to people +say to people, 00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:15.520 -you know I hate the fact that my school +"You know I hate the fact that my school 00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:16.000 makes me 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.400 -use zoom uh so whenever +use Zoom, so whenever 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.240 -I'm not being forced I'm not going to +I'm not being forced, I'm not going to 00:42:22.240 --> 00:42:25.760 -use it +use it". 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.200 -or I hate the fact that the only way I +Or "I hate the fact that the only way I 00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:31.200 can talk to that group of people 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:35.200 -is resume but when +is with Zoom, 00:42:35.200 --> 00:42:38.400 but for anything else I will feel better 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.079 -about myself if I don't +about myself if I don't". 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.880 -see lots of ways to say no some of the +See, lots of ways to say no some of the 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.000 -time +time, 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.040 -and yield some of the time +and yield some of the time, 00:42:47.040 --> 00:42:50.960 -and when you try saying no occasionally +and when you try saying no occasionally, 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.920 you may just develop the ability to say 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.400 -no more often +no more often. 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.800 -now whether you would ever get to be as +Now, whether you would ever get to be as 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.640 -stubborn as I am +stubborn as I am? 00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:04.480 -I don't know but what I find is that +I don't know, but what I find is that 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:08.480 I like the fact that I've never made 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.480 -this kind of compromise +this kind of compromise. 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.839 -I feel I have a reputation to maintain +I feel I have a reputation to maintain, 00:43:15.839 --> 00:43:19.319 -nobody's forcing me but I get +nobody's forcing me, but I get 00:43:19.319 --> 00:43:21.119 satisfaction 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.319 -out of maintaining out of being able to +out of maintaining…, out of being able to 00:43:24.319 --> 00:43:26.400 continue to say 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.880 -I will not +I will not. 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.480 -you are now unmuted and that also +And that also 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:40.480 -can happen at various different levels +can happen at various different levels, 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.520 -so you can get that satisfaction +so, you can get that satisfaction 00:43:43.520 --> 00:43:46.640 of fully maintaining a refusal 00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:54.400 -that applies only to certain areas +that applies only to certain areas. 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.040 -citizens uh noon already let's maybe +(Amin: since it's noon already, let's maybe 00:43:57.040 --> 00:43:58.880 take one or two more questions and then @@ -2662,124 +2548,115 @@ take one or two more questions and then break for 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.200 -the lunch break okay thank you - -00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:06.000 -how often do you personally use Emacs as +the lunch break) Okay. (Amin: Thank you). -00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.440 -the +00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.757 +"How often do you personally use Emacs?" -00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.640 -lowest question now uh +00:44:05.757 --> 00:44:10.640 +is the lowest question now. 00:44:10.640 --> 00:44:16.640 -well I use it most of the day +Well, I use it most of the day. 00:44:16.640 --> 00:44:18.880 -I occasionally do use other things in +I occasionally do use other things, in 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.160 -fact I occasionally edit with +fact, I occasionally edit with 00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:21.599 -libreoffice +LibreOffice, 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.240 -I occasionally use media players I - -00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:25.280 -occasionally +I occasionally use media players, -00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.040 -uh - -00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:32.480 +00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:32.480 I occasionally ssh to a machine and type 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.000 -some commands on it +some commands on it, 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.440 which occasionally includes running 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:42.319 -Emacs on it +Emacs on it. 00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:45.760 -I read pdf files a lot +I read PDF files a lot, 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.520 would be nice if you could get those 00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:49.599 -into Emacs so that I could read them +into Emacs, so that I could read them 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.240 -with Emacs commands +with Emacs commands, 00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:55.040 -and I maybe even edit them with the max +and I maybe even edit them with the Emacs 00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:56.160 commands 00:44:56.160 --> 00:44:59.440 -when they can be edited I use +when they can be edited. I use 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.960 -uh journal sometimes +Xournal sometimes 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:10.079 -to write on a pdf file +to write on a PDF file. 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.160 -are there any more interesting projects +"Are there any more interesting projects 00:45:12.160 --> 00:45:13.760 you have in mind over and above 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.400 -non-gnu elpa uh +NonGNU ELPA?" 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:22.079 -I can't think of one right now well +I can't think of one right now, well, 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.520 -there are things there are things that +there are things that 00:45:25.520 --> 00:45:27.119 -the gnu project needs +the GNU project needs 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.560 -doing there are packages that don't have +doing, there are packages that don't have 00:45:30.560 --> 00:45:32.319 maintainers or could use 00:45:32.319 --> 00:45:35.839 -more maintainers uh +more maintainers. 00:45:35.839 --> 00:45:38.880 -talk with maintainers at canoe.org +Talk with maintainers@gnu.org, 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.000 -and the assistant candusences will +and the assistant GNUisances will 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.960 help you find a package where you can do 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.400 -good +good. 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.560 -not for beginners though you got to get +Not for beginners though, 00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:52.079 you got to learn 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.599 -uh a substantive substantial level of +a substantive substantial level of 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.160 capacity to develop and debug programs @@ -2787,14 +2664,14 @@ capacity to develop and debug programs 00:45:58.160 --> 00:45:59.440 before you can -00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.800 -be a maintainer uh have I ever looked at +00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.823 +be a maintainer. -00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:04.480 -maggot +00:46:00.823 --> 00:46:04.480 +"Have I ever looked at Magit?" 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.400 -uh no I haven't +No, I haven't, 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.920 but I believe @@ -2803,31 +2680,28 @@ but I believe work is being done to get it put into 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.560 -Emacs +Emacs, 00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:22.240 -and at that point I'll give it a try +and at that point I'll give it a try. 00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:25.200 I do not want to share my configuration -00:46:25.200 --> 00:46:25.760 -files - -00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.520 -they're personal but +00:46:25.200 --> 00:46:29.520 +files they're personal. 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:33.599 -how about if we end this now +How about if we end this now? 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.880 -you are now unmuted sounds good to me +(Amin: sounds good to me, 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:38.880 -thank you very much richard for joining +thank you very much Richard for joining 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.520 -in for live questions +in for live questions.) 00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:43.839 -okay +Okay. |