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# Trivial Emacs Kits
Corwin Brust
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Techniques to help new users bootstrap a more gentle introduction to
Emacs, one (short) init.el file at a time.
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# Transcript
-Following is a somewhat hasty self-transcription of my talk. Please
-don't hesitate to [mailto:corwin@bru.st](ask for clarification) or to
-add any clarifications you feel helpful back into the EmacsConf wiki.
-
There is a visual gimmick underlaying the initial remarks. We are
looking at the first (first-slide ("Welcome") showing how the org
markdown looks on other editors, including cygwin emacs, Notepad++,
Sublime, VS Code, and cygwin vim. As each is closed we see the next,
until we reveal GUI Emacs running org-mode in a full-both frame.
-My name is Corwin Brust and I will be talking about getting started
-with Emacs Today. I have been an Emacs user for a long time-
-
-First of all thanks and a huge welcome to the conference..(_15s_)
-
-On behalf of and back to the other organizers. It has been cool to
-have a peek backstage.
-
-So. I've used a lot of different editors in my time. That's about 25
-years as a professional software engineer. And most of that
-time I've been using Emacs. (~54s_)
-
-I'll talk a little bit in a minute (if I can ever find my slides)
-about how I got into Emacs, but if you've used Emacs and a lot of
-other editors for a long time, something that you notice right away is
-that you get good with it in a way that stays meaningful. You learn
-new things, those things stick with you. You learn how to- how to
-make it do new tricks and then keep doing those tricks. (~1m26s_)
-
-I want to mention this conference isn't about (whoops: "this talk")
-how to adjust your configuration specifically. I don't have a bunch
-of good code samples in here. There are a bunch of other great talks,
-especially Andrew's that I think may be aimed more at that "hey, I'm
-just getting started with Emacs what are some things to try to make it
-more comfortable for me starting?" [subject/audience? cezb]. (~2m07s_)
-
-This is about how to think about the problem space more. (_2m10s_)
-
-Hopefully a good way to warm up as we start thinking about some of the
-lightning talks later on. (I'm going to bring up my IRC buffer
-[offscreen] in case I run into time- I didn't get my stopwatch started
-for this one.) (_2m25s_)
-
-So, alright: let's dive in. (_2m30s_)
-
-We assume that we want to install packages, and maybe configure some
-features. This is particularly from the perspective of where we're
-working with a bunch of others on a team and we want to get something
-done. (_2m42s_)
-
-Some of us probably have mature Emacs workflows, others may be
-installing it for the first time. (_2m50s_)
-
-So the first questions is, you know- in that context: what's the value
-proposition? Why should I mess with my machine, my mature Emacs
-configuration, impose my way of thinking and ideas over the way
-somebody else is learning Emacs? (_3m09m_)
-
-It can be [laugh] I'm off my slides here a little bit.. (_3m13s_)
-
-It can be a little tricky to learn Emacs. One thing that helps us a
-lot is if people that we are working with can tell us, kinda,
-keystroke-for-keystroke at times what to do and explain what
-everything is doing. (_3m30s_)
-
-And using the same packages as others can really help us working
-together on a project. (_3m36s_)
-
-Speaking from my personal experience, it took me decades to get to the
-point where I was excited to program in Emacs Lisp. (_3m26s_)
-
-I've programed in a lot of programming languages, but Lisp wasn't on
-my list. I looked at my config, that I was copy-pasting around from
-generation after generation of .emacs file or re-crafting it by hand
-and from Internet searches, to get things that I needed when I would
-quickly go install Emacs to start some new job or contract, and
-quickly get though that work-flow that caused me to go install the
-program. (_4m15s_)
-
-You know, just simple little one-liners that got committed to memory
-over decades eventually just lead [me] to a sort of "hey, what's going
-on here". (_4m27s_)
-
-And I credit my good friend Jeff Goff who died earlier in 2020 for my
-lifelong love of Emacs. Perhaps Erik and I will talk a little more
-about that at another talk we have scheduled but Jeff was a huge
-influence on us in a number of ways and a huge contributer to the Raku
-programming language which is very cool. (_4m52s_)
-
-So, understanding how to make a good decision about splitting up
-configuration in a way to share it with people with really different
-uses of Emacs. That's actually a complicated topic, and I want to off
-and stare at it for a second: (_5m11s_)
-
-I think Emacs is about people, so that means it is about community.
-And community means we're going to invite disagreement. In fact that
-disagreement isn't necessarily a road-block to our project, in fact
-that some of the work our project can invite us to do is to get closer
-to each other by inviting those disagreements, by learning from people
-of different styles, and from how they argue, and thinking about why
-they have that perspective and what technical benefits that perhaps
-radical point of view might carry away. Some people are really
-aggressive arguers others are very passive and really couch their
-ideas in distancing terms, "well probably this is a good idea" or
-"please double check me". Those don't always indicate how certain a
-person is. Because we're different. We have different ways of
-communicating ideas such as certainty or excitement. (_6m23s_)
-
-When we thinking about a bunch of really diverse programmers
-approaching Emacs probably one of our first really big challenges is
-just to pick what we're going to go after. There are a number of
-existing kit installs and things like this. My argument is that you
-can get pretty far just trading files around. And maybe the more
-value conversation to have is making the hard decisions, e.g. "should
-we have vertical completion", should that be out of the box and those
-that want the traditional splayed-out over a sing line such as the
-mode line will have to add a line to their configuration. (_7m26s)
-
-The way to get there?
-
-How do we find out what works?
-
-We don't want to slow down the people who are super productive with
-Emacs, and ask them to completely break their workflows to make it
-easier for new folks, at the same time we do want to make sure those
-new people. (_7m42s_)
-
-At the same time, we do want to make sure those new people arre
-excited by Emacs and not turned off by having to learn the entire
-jungle of Emacs history in the form of it's unique technical stylings
-in terms of frames, buffers, and other unique Emacs viewpoints on
-interface concepts, especially. (_8m15s_)
-
-The encouragement here is to keep using the project team as a
-crucible. Rather than following the defaults of, um, finding the
-simplest customizations that generally work, what if we tried to look
-for fairly specific configuration that we'll expect basically all of
-our developers to be using, at least when the submit bug
-reports. (_8m48s_)
-
-In particular with this, I think that degree of experimentation can
-drive back into the Emacs development process. In the development
-mailing list.. [] In the context of Emacs development as a greater
-entity, we see this struggle. We have the sense that some things can
-"never" be change. I think one thing that can help us get there is
-evidence that says "hey, my 30-40 person team is using this set of
-bindings and here is what we learned about new Emacs users coming in
-and trying that". (10m)
-
-So let's just recap real quick: in theory Emacs works out of the
-box. That means we are free to throw it all away and start over.
-[trouble with slides, again]
-
-Our goal is to enable users- to unlock our computers, to do as much
-with them as possible. My work of encouragement is experiment with it.
-And think really specifically about how the development users may be
-different from each other, as you are configuring the development
-environment of emacs for developing on a project.
-
-That's my talk, etc, answer any questions.(_12m09s_)
-
-Do you use Emacs as a Community Building Tool? (_13m15s_)
-
-Do /i/ use Emacs a community building tool? Or *how* do I use Emacs as a
-community building tool. [amin: "it doesn't say"]
-
-Yes, absolutely. I think Emacs is an ambassador to the gnu
-tool-chain. in the fullness of time we will see an Emacs that will
-make others, Android and iOS, dream. That's why that mock us and say
-that Emacs is an operating system. It's because it could be, if cared
-for it to be. It's quite a threatening product in terms of the number
-of problem spaces it can address, how many types of users it can
-satisfy. (_13m01s_)
-
-And the things that we can do to make it robust in those environments.
-We're always thinking about the weak points but is Emacs a community
-building tool? Heck yeah. (_13m13s_)
-
-[we agree that I'll write my answers to the remaining questions, I say
-thanks more, and we're done. ps, I'll get to your question or
-comments I can find a response to within the next week, I expect]
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+[[!template new="1" text="We don't want to slow down the people that are super productive with Emacs" start="00:07:33.344" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="by asking them to completely break their workflows" start="00:07:38.587" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and make it easier for new folks." start="00:07:40.879" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="At the same time, we do want to make sure those new people" start="00:07:42.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="are excited by Emacs and not turned off by having to learn" start="00:07:48.673" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="the entire jungle of Emacs history in the form of its unique" start="00:07:52.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="technical stylings for things like frames, buffers," start="00:08:00.363" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and other unique Emacs viewpoints" start="00:08:07.610" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="on important interface concepts, especially." start="00:08:11.668" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="The encouragement here is to keep" start="00:08:16.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="the initialization for a project team" start="00:08:19.520" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="together as a crucible." start="00:08:21.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Rather than necessarily following" start="00:08:23.280" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="our defaults of finding the simplest configurations" start="00:08:25.117" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="that generally work and letting people customize it," start="00:08:33.279" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="what if we tried to look" start="00:08:37.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="for fairly specific configurations" start="00:08:40.479" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="that we'll expect essentially all of our" start="00:08:42.346" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="developers to be using," start="00:08:44.159" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="at least when they submit bug reports." start="00:08:46.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="In particular, with this," start="00:08:52.839" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think that degree of experimentation" start="00:08:55.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="can drive back into the Emacs development process." start="00:08:59.839" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="In the development mailing list..." start="00:09:02.584" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I'm hoping I'll get a timing cue here." start="00:09:04.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="In the context of Emacs development as a greater entity," start="00:09:15.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="we see some of these struggles." start="00:09:18.835" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Should we change this default?" start="00:09:20.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Sometimes we can have the sense that defaults in Emacs will never change." start="00:09:22.399" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="The conversation is too difficult." start="00:09:27.146" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think one thing that can help us get there is evidence" start="00:09:29.279" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="that says, &quot;hey my 30- to 40-person project" start="00:09:32.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="is using this set of bindings," start="00:09:36.160" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and here's what we learned" start="00:09:38.560" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="about brand new Emacs users trying to come in" start="00:09:40.111" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and get work done with that.&quot;" start="00:09:42.240" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="(Amin: Yeah you still have" start="00:09:46.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="a couple more minutes.)" start="00:09:49.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Oh, beautiful. Okay, great." start="00:09:50.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I will try to get through my last few slides that I cut" start="00:09:51.984" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="in my last walkthrough, but I think I'm" start="00:09:54.720" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="going quicker today, thank you." start="00:09:56.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Thank you." start="00:09:58.320" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="So let's just recap real quick:" start="00:10:02.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="in theory, Emacs works out of the box." start="00:10:05.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="That means we're free to experiment." start="00:10:08.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="We can throw it all away and start over." start="00:10:12.853" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="As an organizational principle..." start="00:10:17.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I don't know what I was thinking on that slide, excuse me." start="00:10:26.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="Bringing it back around to the free" start="00:10:30.079" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and open source software community," start="00:10:33.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="our goal is to enable users" start="00:10:35.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="to unlock their computers, to do as much" start="00:10:39.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="with them as possible." start="00:10:41.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="That's the context to take with project initialization, but sometimes" start="00:10:43.040" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="it could make sense" start="00:10:47.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="to put some gloves on." start="00:10:50.800" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I've thrown up on the screen here" start="00:10:52.032" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="just a couple of other ideas," start="00:10:53.766" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="ways to maybe think outside of the box." start="00:10:55.276" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="As you're putting together project nets," start="00:10:57.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="my words of encouragement are to experiment with it," start="00:11:01.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="try different things, and think really specifically" start="00:11:05.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="about how different the development users might be from each other" start="00:11:09.941" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="as you define standards for configuring" start="00:11:17.010" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="the user environment of Emacs" start="00:11:21.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="specifically for developing on a project." start="00:11:23.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="That's pretty much my talk." start="00:11:26.552" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="If there's any time, I would take a couple questions." start="00:11:29.120" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="(Amin: Thank you for your awesome talk, Corwin." start="00:11:32.959" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think we have one or two minutes for a few questions." start="00:11:36.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Do you have the pad open or would you" start="00:11:49.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="like me to read the questions for you?)" start="00:11:52.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Corwin: Oh, I managed to close the pad" start="00:11:53.839" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="and I am trying to open it again." start="00:11:58.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="All right, there it opened." start="00:12:00.352" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Bringing it onto a screen where I can see it." start="00:12:03.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Will you read me the first question while I drag windows around, please?" start="00:12:05.500" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="(Amin: Sure. It says, &quot;do you use Emacs as a community building tool?&quot;)" start="00:12:09.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Do I use Emacs as a community building tool, or how do I?" start="00:12:15.600" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="(Amin: It just says do you.) Yes, absolutely." start="00:12:19.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think Emacs is an ambassador to the GNU tool chain." start="00:12:23.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think that in the fullness of time," start="00:12:29.920" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="we will see an Emacs" start="00:12:33.027" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="that makes iOS and Android and other closed-source tools dream." start="00:12:36.558" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="That's why they mock us and call Emacs" start="00:12:43.760" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="an operating system. It's because" start="00:12:46.689" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="it could be, if we cared for it to be." start="00:12:49.200" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="It's quite a threatening product" start="00:12:51.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="from the perspective of how many problem" start="00:12:55.680" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="spaces it can address," start="00:12:57.440" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="how many types of users it can satisfy," start="00:12:58.540" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="the things that we can do to make" start="00:13:01.519" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="it robust in those environments." start="00:13:04.399" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I mean, we're always thinking about the weak points," start="00:13:06.456" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="but is Emacs a community building tool? Heck yeah." start="00:13:09.524" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template new="1" text="(Amin: There's like one or two more questions." start="00:13:14.639" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I think they're more long-form so it might be better" start="00:13:18.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="if you took them off stream so you could keep the schedule on time.)" start="00:13:22.480" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I would love to take those questions offline." start="00:13:26.880" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I will respond to you" start="00:13:29.463" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="in writing if we don't get to it" start="00:13:30.908" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="in a breakout room." start="00:13:32.237" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="Thanks so much for joining us." start="00:13:33.360" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="I can't wait to see the rest of the" start="00:13:35.451" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="conference. See you there!" start="00:13:36.639" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
+[[!template text="(Amin: Awesome. Thank you again so much, Corwin.)" start="00:13:38.000" video="mainVideo" id=subtitle]]
diff --git a/2020/subtitles/emacsconf-2020--06-trivial-emacs-kits--corwin-brust.vtt b/2020/subtitles/emacsconf-2020--06-trivial-emacs-kits--corwin-brust.vtt
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WEBVTT
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-My name is Corwin Brust and I
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+My name is Corwin Brust
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-will be talking about getting started
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+and I will be talking about getting
+started with Emacs today.
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-with Emacs today.
-
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I have been an Emacs user for a long
+time.
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-time. First of all, thanks and a huge
-
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-welcome to the conference
-
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-from me and
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+First of all, thanks and a huge welcome
+to the conference
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-and on behalf
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+from me and and on behalf
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-and back to the other people that
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+and back to the other people
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-have been helping to organize.
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+that have been helping to organize.
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It's been amazing just to be involved
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with that and just, kind of, see
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backstage.
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So I've used a lot of different editors
+in my time.
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-in my time. That's
-
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-about 25 years as a professional
-
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+That's about 25 years as a professional
software engineer.
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And most of that time I've been using
+Emacs.
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-Emacs. I'll talk a little bit in a minute
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+I'll talk a little bit in a minute
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(if I can ever find my slides)
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-about how I got into Emacs
+about how I got into Emacs,
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but I think if you've used Emacs and a
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lot of other editors for a long time,
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-something that you notice right away is that
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+something that you notice right away
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-you get good with it in a way that stays
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+is that you get good with it in a way
+that stays meaningful.
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-meaningful.
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You learn new things. Those things
+stick with you.
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-stick with you. You learn how to
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-make it do new tricks and then
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-keep doing those tricks.
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+You learn how to make it do new tricks
+and then keep doing those tricks.
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I want to mention that this
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conference--oops,
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-this talk isn't about
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-how to adjust your
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+this talk isn't about how to adjust
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-configuration specifically. I don't have
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+your configuration specifically.
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-a bunch of good code samples in here.
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+I don't have a bunch of good code
+samples in here.
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There are other great talks at the
+conference,
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-conference, particularly Andrew's,
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-that I looked at, that looked
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+particularly Andrew's, that I looked at,
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-like they might be more aimed at that
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+that looked like they might be more
+aimed at that
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"hey, I'm just getting started with Emacs,
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what are some things to try to make
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-it more comfortable for me starting?" This
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+it more comfortable for me starting?"
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-is about how to think about the problem
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+This is about how to think about the
+problem space.
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-space.
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+Hopefully, a good warm up as we start
+thinking about
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-Hopefully, a good warm up as we
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+some of the lightning talks a little
+later on.
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-start thinking about some of the
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+I'm just gonna quickly make sure
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-lightning talks a little later on.
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+I can see my IRC buffer in case
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-I'm just gonna quickly make sure I
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-can see my IRC buffer in case I run into
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-time. I didn't get my stopwatch started
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-for this one.
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+I run into time. I didn't get my
+stopwatch started for this one.
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So all right, let's dive in.
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-We assume that we want to install
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-packages
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+We assume that we want to
+install packages
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-and maybe configure some features. This
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+and maybe configure some features.
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-is particularly from the perspective of
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+This is particularly from the
+perspective of
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where we're working
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-with a bunch of people on a team and we
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+with a bunch of people on a team
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+and we want to get something done.
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Some of us probably already have mature
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-So the first question is, you know,
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-in that context: what's the value
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-proposition? Why should I mess with my
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+So the first question is, you know, in
+that context:
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+what's the value proposition?
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-configuration, and impose my
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+Why should I mess with my machine,
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-ideas over the way somebody else is
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+my mature Emacs configuration,
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-learning Emacs? Well,
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+and impose my ideas over the way
+somebody else is learning Emacs?
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-it can be.. I'm off my slides here a
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+Well, it can be.. I'm off my slides here
+a little bit.
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+It can be a little bit tricky
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-It can be a little bit
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-tricky
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to learn Emacs. One thing that
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helps us a lot
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is if people that we're working with
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can tell us, kinda, keystroke for
+keystroke at times,
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-keystroke at times, what to do and
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-explain what everything is doing.
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-Using the same packages can really
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+what to do and explain what everything
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-Speaking from my personal
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+Using the same packages can really help
+us working together on a project.
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-experience,
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+Speaking from my personal experience,
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it took me decades to get to the point
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-where I was excited to program in Emacs
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+where I was excited to program
+in Emacs Lisp.
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-Lisp. I've programmed in a lot of programming
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+I've programmed in a lot of programming
languages,
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-but Lisp wasn't on my list. I looked at
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-my config that I was copy-pasting around
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+but Lisp wasn't on my list.
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-from generation after generation of
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+I looked at my config that I was
+copy-pasting around
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-.emacs file or
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+from generation after generation of
+.emacs file,
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-recrafting it from hand and from Internet
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-searches,
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+or recrafting it from hand and from
+Internet searches,
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to get the things that I needed when
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new job or contract,
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-and
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-be able to to quickly get through that
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-workflow that caused me to install the
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-program.
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-You know, just
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+and be able to to quickly get through
+that workflow
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-little simple one-liners that that
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+that caused me to install the program.
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-got committed to memory over decades
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+You know, just little simple one-liners
+that got committed to memory
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-eventually just led me to a sort of "hey what's going on
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+over decades eventually just led me to a
+sort of "hey what's going on here."
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-here." And I credit
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-Jeff Goff, my good friend who died
-
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-earlier in 2020,
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+And I credit Jeff Goff, my good friend
+who died earlier in 2020,
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for my lifelong love of Emacs.
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-Perhaps EriK and I will talk about that
+Perhaps Erik and I will talk about that
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a little bit more in another talk we
+have scheduled,
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-have
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-scheduled, but Jeff was a huge
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+but Jeff was a huge influence on us
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-influenceo on us
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+in a number of ways,
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-in a number of ways and a huge
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+and a huge contributor
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-contributor to the Raku programming
-
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-language
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+to the Raku programming language,
which is very cool.
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-So, understanding how
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-to make a good decision about splitting
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+So, understanding how to make
+a good decision
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-up configuration in a way to share it
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+about splitting up configuration in a
+way to share it across
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-across
-
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people with really different uses of
+Emacs...
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-Emacs... That's actually a
-
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-complicated topic and I want to
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+That's actually a complicated topic
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-sort of back off and stare at it for a
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+and I want to sort of back off and stare
+at it for a second.
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-second.
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I think Emacs is about people, so that
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means it's about community.
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And community means we're going to
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invite disagreement.
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-In fact, that disagreement
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-isn't necessarily a road-block to our
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-project. In fact,
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+In fact, that disagreement isn't
+necessarily a road-block to our project.
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-some of the work that a community
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+In fact, some of the work that a
+community project can invite us to do
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-project can invite us to do
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+is to get closer to each other
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-is to get closer to each other by
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+by inviting those disagreements,
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-inviting those disagreements, by
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+by learning from them--learning from
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-learning from them--learning from
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+different people's styles and from how
+they argue,
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-different people's
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-styles and from how they argue,
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and thinking about why they have that
+perspective
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-perspective and
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-what technical benefits that
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+and what technical benefits
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-perhaps radical point of view might
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+that perhaps radical point of view might
+carry away.
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-carry away. Some people are really
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+Some people are really aggressive
+arguers,
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-aggressive arguers, and others
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+and others are very passive and really
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-are very passive and really
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+couch their ideas in distancing terms,
+to say,
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-couch their ideas
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+"well probably, this is a good idea"
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-in distancing terms, to say, "well
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-probably, this is a good idea" or
-
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-"please double check me."
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+or "please double check me."
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Those don't always necessarily indicate
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-how certain a person is, because we're
-
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-different. We have different ways of
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+how certain a person is,
+because we're different.
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-communicating
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+We have different ways of communicating
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ideas like certainty or excitement.
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+When we think about a bunch of
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-When we think about a bunch of really
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+really diverse programmers
+approaching Emacs,
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-diverse programmers approaching Emacs,
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-probably one of our our first really big
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+probably one of our first really big
challenges is just
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-to pick what we're going to go
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-after. There are a lot of
-
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-existing kit
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+to pick what we're going
+to go after.
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-installs and things like this.
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+There are a lot of existing kit installs
+and things like this.
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My argument is that you could actually
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get pretty far
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-just trading files around. Maybe the
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-more valuable
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+just trading files around.
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-conversation to have is making the
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+Maybe the more valuable conversation
+to have
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-hard decisions about, well,
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+is making the hard decisions
+about, well,
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"should we have vertical completion,"
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and the people that want
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the traditional splayed out over a
+single line completion,
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-single line completion
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-for example in the mode line, those
-
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-people are going to
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-add a line of config
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-to their own setup?
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-The way to get there? I mean, how do we
-
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-find out what works? We don't want to
-
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-slow down the people that
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+for example in the mode line,
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-are super productive with Emacs by
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+those people are going to add a line of
+config to their own setup?
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-asking them to completely break their
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+The way to get there?
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-workflows and make it easier for new
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+I mean, how do we find out what works?
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-folks.
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+We don't want to slow down the people
+that are super productive with Emacs
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-At the same time, we do
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+by asking them to completely
+break their workflows
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-want to make sure those new people are
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+and make it easier for new folks.
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-excited by Emacs and not turned off by
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+At the same time, we do want to make
+sure those new people
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-having to learn
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+are excited by Emacs and not turned off
+by having to learn
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-the entire jungle of Emacs
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+the entire jungle of Emacs history in
+the form of its unique
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-history in the form of its
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+technical stylings for things like
+frames, buffers,
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-unique technical stylings for
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+and other unique Emacs viewpoints
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-things like frames,
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-buffers, and other unique
-
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-Emacs viewpoints on important
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-interface concepts, especially.
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+on important interface concepts,
+especially.
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The encouragement here is to keep
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together as a crucible.
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-Rather than necessarily following our
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-defaults of
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+Rather than necessarily following
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-finding the simplest configuration
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+our defaults of finding the simplest
+configurations
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that generally work and letting people
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customize it,
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what if we tried to look
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-for fairly specific configurations that
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+for fairly specific configurations
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-we'll expect essentially all of our
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+that we'll expect essentially all of our
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developers to be using,
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In particular, with this,
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-I think that degree of
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-experimentation
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+I think that degree of experimentation
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can drive back into the Emacs
+development process.
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-development process. In the development
-
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-mailing list...
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+In the development mailing list...
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-I'm hoping I'll get a timing cue
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+I'm hoping I'll get a timing cue here.
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-here.
-
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In the context of Emacs development as a
+greater entity,
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-greater
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-entity, we see some of these struggles.
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+we see some of these struggles.
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Should we change this default?
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-Sometimes we can have the
-
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-sense that defaults in Emacs will never
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+Sometimes we can have the sense that
+defaults in Emacs will never change.
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-change. The conversation is too difficult.
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+The conversation is too difficult.
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I think one thing that can help us get
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there is evidence
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that says, "hey my 30- to 40-person project
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-is using this set of bindings and
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+is using this set of bindings,
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-here's what we learned about
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+and here's what we learned
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-brand new Emacs users trying to come in
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+about brand new Emacs users
+trying to come in
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and get work done with that."
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(Amin: Yeah you still have
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-a couple more minutes)
-
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-Oh, beautiful. Okay, great. I will try to
+a couple more minutes.)
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-get through my last few slides that i
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+Oh, beautiful. Okay, great.
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-cut
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+I will try to get through my last few
+slides that I cut
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-in my last walkthrough, but I think i'm
+in my last walkthrough, but I think I'm
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-going quicker today thank you.
+going quicker today, thank you.
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Thank you.
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So let's just recap real quick:
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-in theory, Emacs works
-
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-out of the box. That means we're
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+in theory, Emacs works out of the box.
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-free to experiment. We can
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+That means we're free to experiment.
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-throw it all away and start over.
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+We can throw it all away and start over.
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As an organizational principle...
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I don't know what I was thinking on that
-
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slide, excuse me.
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-Bringing it back around
-
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-to the free
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+Bringing it back around to the free
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and open source software community,
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-our goal
-
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-is to enable users
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+our goal is to enable users
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to unlock their computers, to do as much
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with them as possible.
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That's the context to take with project
-
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initialization, but sometimes
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-it could make sense to put...
-
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-[Music]
-
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-to put some gloves on. I've thrown up on
-
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-the screen here just a couple of other
+it could make sense
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-ideas, ways to maybe think outside of the
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+to put some gloves on.
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-box.
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+I've thrown up on the screen here
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-As you're putting together project
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+just a couple of other ideas,
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-nets,
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+ways to maybe think outside of the box.
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-my words of encouragement are to experiment
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+As you're putting together project nets,
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-with it,
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+my words of encouragement are to
+experiment with it,
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+00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.941
try different things, and think really
+specifically
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-specifically about how
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+about how different the development
+users might be from each other
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-different the development users
-
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-might be from each other as you
-
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-define standards for configuring
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+as you define standards for configuring
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the user environment of Emacs
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-specifically for developing
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+specifically for developing on a
+project.
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-on a project. That's pretty much my talk.
+00:11:26.552 --> 00:11:29.120
+That's pretty much my talk.
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If there's any time, I would take a
-
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couple questions.
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-Thank you for your awesome talk,
+00:11:32.959 --> 00:11:36.480
+(Amin: Thank you for your
+awesome talk, Corwin.
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-Corwin.
-
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-I think we have one or two
-
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-minutes for a few questions.
+00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:49.519
+I think we have one or two minutes for a
+few questions.
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Do you have the pad open or would you
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-like me to read the questions for you?
-
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-Oh, I managed to close the
+like me to read the questions for you?)
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-pad
+00:11:53.839 --> 00:11:58.000
+Corwin: Oh, I managed to close the pad
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-and I am trying to open it again. All
+00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.352
+and I am trying to open it again.
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-right, there it opened.
+00:12:00.352 --> 00:12:03.519
+All right, there it opened.
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+00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.500
Bringing it onto a screen where I can
+see it.
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-see it. Will you read me the
+00:12:05.500 --> 00:12:09.360
+Will you read me the first question
+while I drag windows around, please?
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-first question while I drag windows
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+(Amin: Sure. It says, "do you use Emacs
+as a community building tool?")
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-around, please?
-
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-(Amin: Sure. It says, "do you use Emacs as a
-
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-community building tool?")
-
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+00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:19.760
Do I use Emacs as a community building
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tool, or how do I?
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(Amin: It just says do you.) Yes, absolutely.
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-I think Emacs is an ambassador to
-
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-the GNU tool chain.
-
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-I think that in the fullness of time, we
-
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-will see an Emacs
+00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:29.920
+I think Emacs is an ambassador to the
+GNU tool chain.
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-that makes
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+I think that in the fullness of time,
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-and that makes iOS and Android and other
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+we will see an Emacs
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-closed-source
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+that makes iOS and Android and other
+closed-source tools dream.
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-tools dream. That's why they mock us
+00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:46.689
+That's why they mock us and call Emacs
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-and call
-
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-Emacs an operating system. It's because
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+an operating system. It's because
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it could be, if we cared for it to be.
@@ -936,65 +734,56 @@ It's quite a threatening product
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from the perspective of how many problem
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-spaces it can address, how many types of
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+spaces it can address,
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-users it can satisfy,
+00:12:58.540 --> 00:13:01.519
+how many types of users it can satisfy,
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the things that we can do to make
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-it robust in those
-
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-environments. I mean, we're always
-
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-thinking about the weak points, but
+00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.456
+it robust in those environments.
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-is Emacs a community building tool? Heck
+00:13:06.456 --> 00:13:09.524
+I mean, we're always thinking about the
+weak points,
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-yeah.
+00:13:09.524 --> 00:13:14.639
+but is Emacs a community building tool?
+Heck yeah.
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+00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:18.480
(Amin: There's like one or two more
-
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questions.
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+00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.480
I think they're more long-form so it
-
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might be better
-00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.000
-if you took them off stream so you
-
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-could keep the schedule on time.)
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+if you took them off stream so you could
+keep the schedule on time.)
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-i would love to take those questions
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+I would love to take those questions
+offline.
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-offline. I will respond to you in
+00:13:29.463 --> 00:13:30.908
+I will respond to you
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-writing if we don't get to it in a
+00:13:30.908 --> 00:13:32.237
+in writing if we don't get to it
-00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:33.360
-breakout room.
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+in a breakout room.
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-Thanks so much for joining us. I
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+Thanks so much for joining us.
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-can't wait to see the rest of the
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+I can't wait to see the rest of the
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conference. See you there!