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diff --git a/2025/info/modern-after.md b/2025/info/modern-after.md index ec312f71..4518aec2 100644 --- a/2025/info/modern-after.md +++ b/2025/info/modern-after.md @@ -1,7 +1,251 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [eduardoochs@gmail.com](mailto:eduardoochs@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20modern%3A%20Some%20problems%20of%20modernizing%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-mainVideo"><a name="modern-mainVideo-transcript"></a><h1>Transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""""" start="00:00:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi! My name is Eduardo Ochs. I'm the""" start="00:00:55.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""author of an Emacs package called eev and""" start="00:00:57.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the title of this video is""" start="00:01:00.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text=""""Some problems of modernizing Emacs".""" start="00:01:03.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here is a summary of the main themes""" start="00:01:05.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of this video. I'm going to talk mainly""" start="00:01:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about these four things here. The first""" start="00:01:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one is that Emacs has changed a lot in its""" start="00:01:12.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recent versions, and now it has lots of""" start="00:01:15.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""types... so if we want to look under the""" start="00:01:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hood and to understand what Emacs""" start="00:01:21.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really does we are going to stumble on""" start="00:01:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lots of types... and the""" start="00:01:27.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""current tree of classes and types""" start="00:01:30.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looks like this... that is,""" start="00:01:34.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is quite big.""" start="00:01:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second theme is that people used""" start="00:01:46.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to say things like "Anyone can learn Lisp""" start="00:01:49.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in one day"... I'm going to explain""" start="00:01:53.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this quote, and I'm also going to show""" start="00:01:56.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that now this is gone... anyway. This is a""" start="00:02:01.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very short summary... details soon.""" start="00:02:04.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will also show how to display""" start="00:02:08.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""better "inner views" of Emacs objects...""" start="00:02:10.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to Define what is an inner view,""" start="00:02:13.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of course.""" start="00:02:16.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The main trick is that we are going""" start="00:02:18.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use one of the ways of displaying""" start="00:02:20.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal objects, that is the `cl-print'""" start="00:02:24.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""family of functions, for example,""" start="00:02:29.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""`cl-prin1-to-string', and here are some""" start="00:02:32.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""examples of the kind of output that we""" start="00:02:35.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are going to see...""" start="00:02:37.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, if we run these two lines""" start="00:02:38.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here the first line defines a function `foo'""" start="00:02:44.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the second line sets `o' to the""" start="00:02:47.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internal view of the definition of `foo'.""" start="00:02:52.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In older Emacses `o' would be just a""" start="00:02:54.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""list that looks... that would look very""" start="00:02:59.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar to this line here... but in newer""" start="00:03:02.000" video="mainVideo-modern" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacses the result of this - 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comments? Please e-mail [eduardoochs@gmail.com](mailto:eduardoochs@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20modern%3A%20Some%20problems%20of%20modernizing%20Emacs) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2025/info/modern-before.md b/2025/info/modern-before.md index a2464cda..c827ca16 100644 --- a/2025/info/modern-before.md +++ b/2025/info/modern-before.md @@ -8,12 +8,12 @@ The following image shows where the talk is in the schedule for Sun 2025-12-07. Format: 20-min talk ; Q&A: IRC <https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf,emacsconf-gen> Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-modern> Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-modern> Discuss on IRC: [#emacsconf-gen](https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf,emacsconf-gen) -Status: Waiting for video from speaker +Status: Now playing on the conference livestream <div>Times in different time zones:</div><div class="times" start="2025-12-07T14:10:00Z" end="2025-12-07T14:30:00Z"><div class="conf-time">Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~9:10 AM - 9:30 AM EST (US/Eastern)</div><div class="others"><div>which is the same as:</div>Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~8:10 AM - 8:30 AM CST (US/Central)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~7:10 AM - 7:30 AM MST (US/Mountain)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~6:10 AM - 6:30 AM PST (US/Pacific)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~2:10 PM - 2:30 PM UTC <br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~3:10 PM - 3:30 PM CET (Europe/Paris)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~4:10 PM - 4:30 PM EET (Europe/Athens)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~7:40 PM - 8:00 PM IST (Asia/Kolkata)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~10:10 PM - 10:30 PM +08 (Asia/Singapore)<br />Sunday, Dec 7 2025, ~11:10 PM - 11:30 PM JST (Asia/Tokyo)</div></div><div><strong><a href="/2025/watch/gen/">Find out how to watch and participate</a></strong></div> - +<div class="vid mainVideo"><div></div><div class="files resources"><ul><li><a href="https://pad.emacsconf.org/2025-modern">Open Etherpad</a></li><li><a href="https://chat.emacsconf.org/?join=emacsconf,emacsconf-gen">Open public Q&A</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-modern--some-problems-of-modernizing-emacs--eduardo-ochs--intro.vtt">Download --intro.vtt</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-modern--some-problems-of-modernizing-emacs--eduardo-ochs--intro.webm">Download --intro.webm</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-modern--some-problems-of-modernizing-emacs--eduardo-ochs--main.vtt">Download --main.vtt</a> (unedited)</li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-modern--some-problems-of-modernizing-emacs--eduardo-ochs--original.mp4">Download --original.mp4 (35MB)</a></li><li><a href="https://media.emacsconf.org/2025/emacsconf-2025-modern--some-problems-of-modernizing-emacs--eduardo-ochs--original.vtt">Download --original.vtt</a></li></ul></div></div> # Description <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-before-page -->
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