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diff --git a/2025/info/gmail-after.md b/2025/info/gmail-after.md index d0b0ca1a..cd1b0cb3 100644 --- a/2025/info/gmail-after.md +++ b/2025/info/gmail-after.md @@ -600,6 +600,158 @@ [[!template text="""Let's talk about taming email.""" start="00:23:00.520" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:23:02.760" video="mainVideo-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gmail-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""I first of all want to address the feedback.""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You're absolutely right. I should have stuck to one theme.""" start="00:00:02.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, I was using vanilla Emacs""" start="00:00:06.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not my own config.""" start="00:00:09.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to show that it can work, apologies for that.""" start="00:00:10.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will keep that in mind the next time I do such a demo.""" start="00:00:13.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first question, I mean, the feedback was considered""" start="00:00:18.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using similar background dark only""" start="00:00:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or light only throughout the help,""" start="00:00:23.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout the help with iStream.""" start="00:00:25.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The question, the first question is,""" start="00:00:29.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should I know all my contact email address by heart""" start="00:00:31.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or is some kind of contact list?""" start="00:00:35.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Unfortunately, right now, this is just to get started.""" start="00:00:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it is, you have to know it by heart,""" start="00:00:42.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I take this as feedback.""" start="00:00:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will write this down for myself as a feature request.""" start="00:00:47.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will make sure that all contacts""" start="00:00:51.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or some kind of tab support is present for email addresses.""" start="00:00:53.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do not use the org system for replying so much.""" start="00:00:58.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use it for knowing the context.""" start="00:01:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I don't really reply using the org mode itself to reply.""" start="00:01:06.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I did not focus on that feature. But this is doable.""" start="00:01:12.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We can certainly add a tab support""" start="00:01:16.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for any contacts that you may have, org contacts.""" start="00:01:18.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I don't know if there's any other package that does that.""" start="00:01:24.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So if it is, let me know.""" start="00:01:28.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org contacts is what comes to my mind.""" start="00:01:29.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second question is, what would it take""" start="00:01:33.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to use the org pieces of this with?""" start="00:01:36.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""offline IMAP or other non Gmail mail setups.""" start="00:01:40.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I use fast mail.""" start="00:01:45.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Currently, I use only Gmail because that's my workflow""" start="00:01:46.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works with a Gmail API.""" start="00:01:52.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So which means the Python script that goes along with it""" start="00:01:58.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only works with Gmail and no other system for now.""" start="00:02:00.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is the current package.""" start="00:02:05.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""However, yes, I will note this down.""" start="00:02:06.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what it will take""" start="00:02:09.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to include this offline IMAP setup""" start="00:02:12.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or any other non-Gmail setup.""" start="00:02:16.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me tinker with it and find out what it will involve.""" start="00:02:18.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So give me some time, maybe I will get to it.""" start="00:02:23.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sorry, sorry. Oops. Okay. Okay. May I continue?""" start="00:02:30.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Bella. Yes, please. Sorry for the confusion.""" start="00:02:43.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Amin. All right. So the next one is,""" start="00:02:46.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you worry about sending some info to a wrong person""" start="00:02:53.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""due to some unseen technical issues,""" start="00:02:56.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, due to memory overflow?""" start="00:02:58.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Again, I have not been focusing""" start="00:03:03.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on replying from within Emacs.""" start="00:03:05.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so much, or using my package,""" start="00:03:07.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually do it through the Gmail interface.""" start="00:03:09.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I usually use this to get the context within the project,""" start="00:03:13.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download all the emails, make sure that I have acted on emails""" start="00:03:18.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which Gmail doesn't do so well.""" start="00:03:22.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know what the action is.""" start="00:03:23.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want to use Gmail as a to-do list.""" start="00:03:25.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode is great at this.""" start="00:03:28.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Any work I have to do, any reports I have to compile,""" start="00:03:30.147" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all of that Org Mode does. I don't use it for replying""" start="00:03:32.647" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or doing its actions around the email, which I focus on.""" start="00:03:39.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But point taken, let me see""" start="00:03:43.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if there is a like Gmail offers.""" start="00:03:45.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, for 10 seconds or something you can still undo""" start="00:03:47.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that it doesn't go out of your email""" start="00:03:52.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you made a mistake or if there's a problem with your,""" start="00:03:54.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, Gmail or email sending should sort of stop.""" start="00:03:59.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me think about that.""" start="00:04:04.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, I've not paid attention to that,""" start="00:04:07.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I'll take your point.""" start="00:04:09.397" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The next one, you should say what org-gmail is""" start="00:04:11.105" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not its goals and non-goals,""" start="00:04:17.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which in this case is more helpful""" start="00:04:20.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help people get their head around this.""" start="00:04:22.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You had some good ones in your slides,""" start="00:04:24.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but not your GitHub page. Okay, great.""" start="00:04:26.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so I will definitely take""" start="00:04:28.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the information from the slides""" start="00:04:30.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and give it to, I mean, put it back into my readme.""" start="00:04:33.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's been a while since I updated ReadMe,""" start="00:04:38.500" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and you're absolutely right.""" start="00:04:40.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It probably doesn't say why you need org email.""" start="00:04:42.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that would be definitely something that I can do.""" start="00:04:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Wanting to add the goal is an easier way""" start="00:04:49.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to add one-off email into org mode""" start="00:04:51.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and org agenda workflows and first.""" start="00:04:53.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Love seeing a different way""" start="00:04:56.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of looking at and working with email.""" start="00:04:57.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you so much for that.""" start="00:04:59.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yes, that's the idea here is if we can integrate email""" start="00:05:00.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think there is memacs, you know,""" start="00:05:05.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's one package that I love.""" start="00:05:08.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It can integrate all of the other stuff into your org mode.""" start="00:05:11.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That worked, but I like email and dealing with email.""" start="00:05:17.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That is my single source of truth outside of org mode.""" start="00:05:21.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that's the only one I need for now.""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I like seeing the action""" start="00:05:28.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the history on my org agenda.""" start="00:05:32.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's one of the reasons why I built this package.""" start="00:05:35.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I hope that answers that.""" start="00:05:37.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There is one more saying, how does it handle attachments?""" start="00:05:43.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If it doesn't, do you have a plan to add this feature?""" start="00:05:49.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Attachments is a bit tricky for me right now""" start="00:05:52.820" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't understand org-attach so well.""" start="00:05:55.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't use org-attach, but you're absolutely right.""" start="00:05:58.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It does make sense to have org-attach also.""" start="00:06:01.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And it's definitely in my plan to include org-attach.""" start="00:06:05.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think I talked about it in my talk,""" start="00:06:08.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I definitely have that idea.""" start="00:06:12.460" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First I have to wrap myself, my head""" start="00:06:14.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around the idea of org-attach and how it,""" start="00:06:17.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I don't like, what I don't like about org-attach,""" start="00:06:21.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll tell you, is default is,""" start="00:06:26.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it opens a new folder called data""" start="00:06:28.900" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are, it uses a unique code""" start="00:06:31.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there are subfolders in it, which I do not appreciate""" start="00:06:34.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I want all those files also to be within the same context.""" start="00:06:37.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of my project or area.""" start="00:06:43.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's one of the reasons I, and I'm sure you can customize that.""" start="00:06:45.780" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are ways to do that,""" start="00:06:50.860" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have to pay more attention to this.""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Right now, all of the attachments are dealt with in Gmail,""" start="00:06:55.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is not a good system to handle that""" start="00:06:58.730" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because it's so out of context.""" start="00:07:01.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there are like 25 contexts in the same inbox,""" start="00:07:03.580" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I do not appreciate.""" start="00:07:06.380" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So even the attachments are like that.""" start="00:07:08.420" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Org Mode has a much better way of handling it,""" start="00:07:11.060" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Emacs has a much better way of handling it.""" start="00:07:13.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I will definitely put my attention""" start="00:07:16.100" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to this and get this feature out.""" start="00:07:20.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is all customer feedback for me, so to speak.""" start="00:07:22.220" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would definitely request all of you to try it out.""" start="00:07:25.300" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And tell me, you know, good""" start="00:07:30.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or bad things about the package.""" start="00:07:32.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And you've been very candid so far. Please be so.""" start="00:07:34.940" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, you know, so be it that be candid with your feedback""" start="00:07:38.620" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I will get to know how to go with this.""" start="00:07:43.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With so much, I mean, I'm not an expert in Elisp,""" start="00:07:46.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I have a workaround, which is I have generative AI support,""" start="00:07:49.700" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which has done well with me.""" start="00:07:57.020" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I test the software better, so I can use the generative AI""" start="00:07:58.340" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to help me with the coding,""" start="00:08:03.660" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I can test it so that it works for me.""" start="00:08:05.140" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would request your help""" start="00:08:08.540" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also in testing this software.""" start="00:08:10.740" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So for sure. Thank you so much for your question.""" start="00:08:13.260" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there are any more, I can definitely answer them.""" start="00:08:16.180" video="qanda-gmail" id="subtitle"]] + </div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [bala@balaramadurai.net](mailto:bala@balaramadurai.net?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gmail%3A%20org-gmail%3A%20A%20deep%20integration%20of%20Gmail%20into%20your%20Org%20Mode) |