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I'm delighted to be here + +00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:11.199 +and happy to answer your questions. + +00:00:11.200 --> 00:00:12.839 +I'm not seeing anything yet, + +00:00:12.840 --> 00:00:17.679 +but let me take advantage of this time + +00:00:17.680 --> 00:00:20.079 +to speak about one question + +00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:43.439 +If you can bring up the pad so that you can look at it. + +00:00:20.080 --> 00:00:22.879 +that I saw coming in earlier on the pad, + +00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:25.039 +which was all the outputs + +00:00:25.040 --> 00:00:29.399 +and the inputs that you mentioned, where are they? + +00:00:29.400 --> 00:00:35.439 +So they are on GitHub, and this is in one of my slides. + +00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:43.359 +I mentioned the URL for it. I'll show you that as well. + +00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:50.391 +So the URL for it is github.com bxplpc18068, + +00:00:43.440 --> 00:01:00.119 +Okay. Hang on a second. I will. + +00:00:50.392 --> 00:00:58.679 +which is the handle for this talk. + +00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:06.039 +In there, you have all the PDFs and the HTMLs, + +00:01:00.120 --> 00:01:07.879 +And then people can join here as well. + +00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:12.119 +a citation, a bib input, and also the sources. + +00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:19.439 +So if you were to go to the PDF, you will see + +00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:24.319 +Um, both the article presentation and the, + +00:01:24.320 --> 00:01:27.279 +let's take a quick look at the. + +00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:34.159 +Which is what you have seen. So. + +00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:40.279 +And as far as the sources are, there are two primary files. + +00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:45.999 +I think we're now in a live Q&A session for Blee-LCNT, + +00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:47.199 +This presentation, left to right, + +00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:54.959 +and people can join us here in the Big Blue Button room, + +00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.919 +is the one that includes all the LaTeX packages. + +00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:52.641 +We might as well take a quick look. + +00:01:52.642 --> 00:01:57.600 +So what's in there is primarily the use packages. + +00:01:57.601 --> 00:02:06.999 +And then it dispatches to body press art. + +00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.519 +And this is where the code is. + +00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.559 +And I walked through this briefly. + +00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:26.839 +So, notice here again that this is a mixture of LaTeX and Org. + +00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:31.039 +Each of the presentation slides are here. + +00:02:31.040 --> 00:02:34.519 +For example, my introduction + +00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.239 +is just a video that gets included. + +00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:41.119 +And then the notes that I use, the voiceover, + +00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:47.319 +is also included in the LaTeX file. + +00:02:47.320 --> 00:02:50.079 +Let me... It'll probably be easy + +00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.399 +to take those voiceover notes + +00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.959 +and then align them with a tool like NES. + +00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.399 +to make subtitles for your videos. + +00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.199 +Exactly, and that is what I do. + +00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:08.519 +So there is a way to gather them all as P-notes. + +00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:13.839 +And so all the P-notes get together in a single file, + +00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:20.599 +and then you feed that to Aeneas, and it will align them. + +00:03:20.600 --> 00:03:23.319 +And then there is the work of using your subed + +00:03:23.320 --> 00:03:30.279 +to just get the right sort of line length on them. + +00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.039 +But you did all of that for me this year, Sacha. + +00:03:33.040 --> 00:03:34.519 +Thank you very much. + +00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:37.559 +It was just a matter of not having time. + +00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:43.559 +Otherwise, I plan to do it myself. It's all right. + +00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.639 +It was very easy since he provided the full narration. + +00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:50.399 +I still need to tweak it sometimes, + +00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.919 +so I often use the waveforms in subed + +00:03:52.920 --> 00:03:58.559 +to find the right starting time and ending time for things. + +00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.519 +But it is so nice to have a presentation + +00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.879 +where you can experience it in different forms, + +00:04:03.880 --> 00:04:10.159 +as an article, as a video, as a post with links and everything. + +00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:11.479 +Very handy. + +00:04:11.480 --> 00:04:20.919 +Right, and in case a teacher uses this for class lectures, + +00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:26.079 +then the student profits from all sorts. + +00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:28.999 +The article presentation format is very useful + +00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.239 +for a student to add their own notes to it and the rest. + +00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.519 +Exactly as you said, having multiple forms is great. + +00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:40.479 +Video has its place, reveal has its place, + +00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.039 +PDF has its place, article has its place. + +00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.399 +All of them work together. + +00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:50.479 +I've been having a hard time figuring out + +00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.719 +how to make the reveal.js version of a presentation + +00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.999 +more easily distributable, though. + +00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:58.839 +This is something we've had a hard time + +00:04:58.840 --> 00:05:00.199 +with in the past, too. + +00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:02.759 +You have these lovely EmacsConf presentations + +00:05:02.760 --> 00:05:04.839 +that could be reveal presentations, + +00:05:04.840 --> 00:05:07.759 +but hosting them doesn't quite fit + +00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:13.639 +in the usual assumptions people have. Exactly, exactly. + +00:05:13.640 --> 00:05:16.559 +So if we were to have a reveal server, + +00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.479 +then we could upload our reveal inputs to it. + +00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.999 +But you're right, we should look + +00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.679 +for some sort of a packaging + +00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:34.079 +that is more plug and distribute. Yeah, so I'd be all game + +00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:36.919 +if we wanted to do it for next year, + +00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.039 +I'd be happy to provide all the reveal outputs. + +00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.919 +In fact, they are here, let me touch on that quickly. + +00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:53.639 +Good point you brought up. So, this is the. Reveal output. + +00:05:53.640 --> 00:05:57.519 +So all of these, you see the images and the audio + +00:05:57.520 --> 00:06:02.359 +in my own environment are SIM links to where I keep them. + +00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.239 +So those need to come in, + +00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.599 +but the reveal output really comes right here. + +00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.679 +And this is how it looks. + +00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.679 +If that's a link you can add to the pad, + +00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.799 +then I can add you to the top page afterwards. + +00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.839 +I think as a, as a speaker, + +00:06:21.840 --> 00:06:24.119 +I tend to just self host the thing. + +00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:28.319 +And that way also, if I find a bug, which often happens, + +00:06:28.320 --> 00:06:30.679 +I can go and quietly update it. + +00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:36.439 +Exactly. Exactly. Sure. Sure. Yeah. + +00:06:36.440 --> 00:06:44.239 +This right now, what we are looking at is from GitHub. + +00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.599 +And the audio and the images, of course, are large, + +00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:55.759 +and I did not upload them. But I can send them, sure. + +00:06:55.760 --> 00:07:01.999 +So, a few other things maybe I can elaborate on. + +00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:08.639 +This is the kombut strapping page for BISOS, also on there. + +00:07:08.640 --> 00:07:11.079 +And if somebody wanted to actually + +00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:12.919 +dig deeper and go through this, + +00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:18.959 +a good starting point would be my GitHub page. + +00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:24.639 +But my GitHub page is not done and organized the usual way. + +00:07:24.640 --> 00:07:26.999 +So I only have three repositories + +00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.359 +and the repositories basically say, + +00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.266 +here is where you need to go. + +00:07:32.267 --> 00:07:39.159 +So all of my work is organized as organizations. + +00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:48.039 +So, for example, for Emacs, if you were to go to BXBli, + +00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:56.359 +you will see all the relevant repos for that purpose. + +00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.975 +So, for example, if you wanted to + +00:07:58.976 --> 00:08:03.319 +come and take a look at mail template, + +00:08:03.320 --> 00:08:08.719 +templating, distribution, and tracking, + +00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:16.239 +you would get a Emacs package ready to go over here. + +00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:23.479 +But again, all of this is through the use of GitHub organizations. + +00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.399 +So my repos are by subject + +00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:33.239 +and the by source itself has 69 repositories + +00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:38.719 +where different sections of it are packaged as PIP packages. + +00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.359 +So, for example, for LCNT, we can go there. + +00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.439 +So, these are the packages that let you, + +00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:53.159 +let me go there, that let you dissect. + +00:08:53.160 --> 00:08:55.199 +Sorry, you have your slides shared at the moment, + +00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:59.599 +so I don't know if you're in a different tab. + +00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.079 +Oh, am I in a different tab? + +00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.399 +I thought that that would follow me. + +00:09:06.400 --> 00:09:16.119 +Yes, I am in a different tab. Let me see. + +00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.879 +This is the one that you are seeing, + +00:09:19.880 --> 00:09:28.839 +so let me go over here. Perfect. Now you're seeing it. + +00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.279 +So literally on the same page. Awesome. Right. + +00:09:31.280 --> 00:09:33.679 +So you were not actually seeing what I was saying. + +00:09:33.680 --> 00:09:36.159 +So, so what I was saying that is that + +00:09:36.160 --> 00:09:42.159 +if you go to my primary website, GitHub page, + +00:09:42.160 --> 00:09:45.439 +you will see that there are only three repos there. + +00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.759 +And those repos just give information + +00:09:49.760 --> 00:09:52.959 +about where the real repos are. + +00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:57.399 +And the real repos are organized in various organizations. + +00:09:57.400 --> 00:10:06.719 +So, for example, for Emacs packages, I use the bxblee + +00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.999 +And in there, there are 40 repositories. + +00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.399 +And as an example, you can choose, for example, + +00:10:15.400 --> 00:10:26.519 +AI plus is just a few additional libraries for menus, for AIDERMAX. + +00:10:26.520 --> 00:10:31.719 +And the rest of BLEE is done that way as well. + +00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:36.919 +So if you were to let me also show + +00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:43.759 +more relevant stuff to the content generation. + +00:10:43.760 --> 00:10:48.839 +And everything related to BySauce in Python is in BySauce pip. + +00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.879 +These are packages that are ready + +00:10:52.880 --> 00:10:57.959 +to be exported to pypi and + +00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.749 +For example, for LCNT, if you go here, + +00:11:02.750 --> 00:11:04.558 +let's go to the bin directory. + +00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:15.808 +These are the utilities that dissect the PDF output of Beamer + +00:11:15.809 --> 00:11:23.839 +converted to images so that you can insert them in Reveal. + +00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:29.159 +And then again, if you were to just wanted to dig deeper + +00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:34.759 +in any of these as components, + +00:11:34.760 --> 00:11:40.559 +you would simply start from this top level page + +00:11:40.560 --> 00:11:44.719 +and explore the organizations. + +00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:48.719 +So in total, maybe there is 300 repos, + +00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:54.279 +but they are organized by subject matter + +00:11:54.280 --> 00:12:03.399 +within GitHub organizations. + +00:12:03.400 --> 00:12:10.799 +Yeah. Additional general comment. + +00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:13.039 +If you were to look at my presentation, + +00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:17.519 +I'd say I touched on five different topics. + +00:12:17.520 --> 00:12:24.039 +So, one topic was this content generation in general. + +00:12:24.040 --> 00:12:35.279 +The second one was this challenge of DIY model and recipes + +00:12:35.280 --> 00:12:38.319 +versus building something large + +00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.919 +and including everything in it. + +00:12:40.920 --> 00:12:43.519 +And that is, that has been the motivation + +00:12:43.520 --> 00:12:46.919 +for BySauce and BLE. + +00:12:46.920 --> 00:12:50.279 +And I'm interested in getting feedback on it. + +00:12:50.280 --> 00:12:54.519 +In general, the open source culture + +00:12:54.520 --> 00:13:00.719 +has been focusing on components + +00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.439 +and large American corporations + +00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.719 +have focused in integration of these components. + +00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.679 +So my short message here is that + +00:13:11.680 --> 00:13:17.959 +we should start thinking as providing solutions + +00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:23.519 +as opposed to minor pieces and packages + +00:13:23.520 --> 00:13:30.599 +and put them all together and claim them as our own digital ecosystem. + +00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:38.319 +And this is the concept behind ByStar, BySource and BLEE. + +00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.999 +The third point I was making throughout + +00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.479 +is this concept of dynamic blocks everywhere, + +00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:51.599 +and Comiga, which is the inverse of Babel. + +00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:57.479 +And I'd also be interested in feedback on those. + +00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:03.239 +I think the d-blocks-everywhere concept, + +00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:13.079 +I can very quickly show that. + +00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.039 +it would be in the LaTeX file, as an example. + +00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:23.319 +I didn't really do a good job in digging deeper into that. + +00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:25.479 +So if you go to the sources + +00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:31.319 +and you look at any of the slides, + +00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:39.719 +All the slides are in here inside of a dynamic block. + +00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.919 +This is an org D block, + +00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:46.919 +but you would invoke it in LaTeX mode. + +00:14:46.920 --> 00:14:51.199 +And then from this begin to this end, + +00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.559 +everything is auto-generated + +00:14:54.560 --> 00:15:00.039 +through the Elisp function, body MM video. + +00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:06.879 +And the parameters that it takes are the video pass. + +00:15:06.880 --> 00:15:12.239 +So all of this code is repeated all over the place. + +00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.799 +And all you need in it is the video pass. + +00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:21.959 +So it's very easy to think of this as a macro capability, + +00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.079 +except that the macro is visible. + +00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.479 +And it has one additional benefit + +00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:34.799 +on top of general macro capabilities, + +00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:36.759 +and that is that it's open. + +00:15:36.760 --> 00:15:41.679 +In this particular case, it closes, + +00:15:41.680 --> 00:15:46.439 +but let me show you another one where it is open. + +00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:54.879 +So if you look at, this is latex section, this one is good. + +00:15:54.880 --> 00:16:00.439 +This is a derived image. And by saying that it's open + +00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:06.679 +is that you see my begin verbatim and my begin frame. + +00:16:06.680 --> 00:16:11.439 +They end and there is no closing for them. + +00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.999 +So the extra text that is outside + +00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:21.319 +of the D block and closes it is down here. + +00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:24.959 +And none of the existing macro capabilities + +00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:30.799 +gives you this feature. This even comes handy in Lisp. + +00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:40.039 +So that is a proposal saying + +00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:47.719 +that let's make D blocks, dynamic blocks, + +00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.959 +generalized to all of Emacs, as opposed to just org mode. + +00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:54.759 +And that's relatively simple. + +00:16:54.760 --> 00:17:01.359 +And the Emacs source team could easily decide + +00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.959 +that this is worthwhile doing. + +00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.759 +And then, of course, I've gone + +00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:09.959 +over it through the presentation. + +00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:20.399 +So, I see 1 question coming in. What changes have you seen? + +00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.719 +the culture while developing all these things + +00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.639 +like liver halal system and now BLCNT. + +00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:40.079 +Well, it's a work in progress, I would say. + +00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:43.039 +We learn from one another. + +00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:47.719 +And what I'm doing may be considered + +00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.199 +just a stepwise increment, + +00:17:52.200 --> 00:18:01.799 +but the cultural input is that we really should start + +00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:09.399 +thinking about providing solutions as opposed to packages. + +00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:19.319 +The FOSS culture is really limited in its scope to packages + +00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:24.799 +or even if when you think something very large like Debian, + +00:18:24.800 --> 00:18:28.159 +which is a collection of packages. + +00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.479 +And it is still choice oriented, + +00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:55.399 +as opposed to solution oriented. + +00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:03.599 +Yeah. Are there any additional topics or questions? + +00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:11.159 +Otherwise, I'll just add a few additional concepts. + +00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:18.079 +So the two other points made throughout the presentations + +00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:28.759 +are that this statement about clear invalidity + +00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:30.719 +of the Western IPO regime. + +00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.399 +So throughout the first movement, + +00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:42.719 +we have been focusing on providing alternative licenses + +00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:49.319 +which coexist with the IPR system. + +00:19:49.320 --> 00:19:52.199 +And that is the practical thing to do. + +00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.879 +We are doing a jujitsu on IPR. + +00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:00.919 +We are saying that this is our license to it. + +00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.399 +But conceptually, there has been little discussion + +00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:14.319 +and also positioning on this basic question + +00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:17.479 +as to whether or not copyright + +00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.119 +and patents are valid or invalid. + +00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:26.639 +And what I am saying is that it is clear that they are invalid, + +00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.439 +particularly once you start looking at them + +00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.759 +with the lens of polyexistentials. + +00:20:33.760 --> 00:20:39.239 +And that the false movement + +00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.199 +really needs to combine these two, + +00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:47.359 +this notion of free software and open source licenses, + +00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:51.679 +and combined with the belief system + +00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.839 +that we are completely and utterly against + +00:20:55.840 --> 00:21:00.679 +the validity of the Western intellectual property rights regime. + +00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:05.399 +And I use the Western and the American occasionally, + +00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:12.479 +and the reason behind that is that in fact it is, they are Western. + +00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.479 +If you go to any other language, if you go to Farsi, + +00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.079 +if you go to Arabic, if you go to Chinese, + +00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:24.159 +if you go to Japanese, which are non-Western cultures, + +00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.639 +the concept of intellectual property, + +00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:33.159 +the words, the vocabulary of those + +00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.639 +combination of intellectual and property, + +00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.559 +did not exist anywhere in those cultures. + +00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:44.559 +It's only in the past, maybe 60, 70 years + +00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:52.279 +that they have been translated from the Western world and brought into it. + +00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:54.639 +So there is an inherent root + +00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.959 +into the intellectual property rights system, + +00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.679 +which goes to the Western culture. + +00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:08.439 +The second point that I have brought into + +00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.999 +this presentation and the previous ones + +00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:16.239 +is this question of, if we go with free software, + +00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.119 +if we go with open software, + +00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:22.159 +are we really creating the right labels? + +00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.679 +And my point is that no, neither of them, + +00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.479 +neither free software, nor open source + +00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.159 +are capturing really the essence + +00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.399 +of what we are trying to do. + +00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:41.439 +And I claim that that is in fact ethics and morality. + +00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:48.879 +And it is societal belief that if we reject + +00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.879 +intellectual property rights regime, + +00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:53.279 +what do we replace it with? + +00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:58.799 +And in my thinking is that a software developer + +00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:00.919 +does not get to choose + +00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.919 +what license goes with his or her software, + +00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.319 +and that the equivalent of a federal GPL + +00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:13.839 +is the default correct license + +00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:16.319 +to use for all of your software + +00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:21.039 +because it is the one that reflects the belief system + +00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:24.719 +that all software should be ethical software. + +00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:43.559 +Yeah, I'm looking at the Etherpad again and + +00:23:43.560 --> 00:23:48.679 +The question is about IP and AI. + +00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:54.359 +So yeah, over the past two years, + +00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:56.599 +something huge has happened. + +00:23:56.600 --> 00:24:04.919 +And what I am seeing in there as a solution + +00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:12.319 +is essentially comes down to a talk + +00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:16.839 +that was given maybe two years ago by someone at EmacsConf, + +00:24:16.840 --> 00:24:22.359 +and its label was attribution-based economics. + +00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:28.319 +In my thinking, intellectual property + +00:24:28.320 --> 00:24:29.839 +as a whole is invalid. + +00:24:29.840 --> 00:24:36.119 +But that means that through something like a federal GPL, + +00:24:36.120 --> 00:24:41.719 +you focus on attribution basing, proper attribution basing. + +00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.839 +If somebody has done some work, + +00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:48.599 +it should be clear, no matter what, that that work is his. + +00:24:48.600 --> 00:24:54.879 +And that we already, even prior to AI, we were seeing this. + +00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:59.399 +We were seeing large GitHub repos with hundreds of authors. + +00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:09.879 +And it was utterly unclear as to who would own this whole thing. + +00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:14.119 +And any piece of it is not of significance. + +00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:16.879 +What is of significance is the whole thing. + +00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:25.039 +So moving towards that attribution based economics is key. + +00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:27.599 +And then once we do that, + +00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:31.919 +and then we accept AI as a reality. + +00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:38.199 +AI should still take very seriously + +00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:43.999 +and conform to attribution-based economics. + +00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.879 +In other words, what is generated by the machine + +00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.279 +should not be claimed to be no one's + +00:25:51.280 --> 00:25:54.239 +or the machine owners, the AI owners. + +00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.879 +It should still clearly be attributed + +00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.039 +to the people who contributed in its creation. + +00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:06.959 +This all becomes very muddy, very clear, + +00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.919 +and I don't have a simple or clear answer to it. + +00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:16.079 +But the perimeters of the solution lie in + +00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:21.479 +rejection of intellectual property, + +00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.039 +replacement of the intellectual property + +00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:27.399 +with attribution-based economics, + +00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.199 +and restrictions on AI use + +00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:38.199 +of not properly attributed content. + +00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:50.239 +Yeah, I'd say that would be, it's a complicated topic + +00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:56.119 +and I would simply say I haven't figured it out at all. + +00:26:56.120 --> 00:27:03.759 +I just have a perimeter set of concepts + +00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:06.479 +that can be used to drive it. + +00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:20.679 +Are there any other questions? If there aren't any, + +00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.159 +I thank everybody again, + +00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.799 +and particularly the EmacsConf organizers and Sacha. + +00:27:27.800 --> 00:27:32.639 +And I look forward to continuing all of this next year. + +00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:39.079 +Unless there is any objection, + +00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:45.360 +I'll leave the session and close it. Thank you. |