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diff --git a/2024/info/color-after.md b/2024/info/color-after.md index 5b65e3b4..94373d6b 100644 --- a/2024/info/color-after.md +++ b/2024/info/color-after.md @@ -190,7 +190,247 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20color%3A%20Colour%20your%20Emacs%20with%20ease) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="color-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""... Org mode and kind of note taking. And that meant that it wasn't""" start="00:00:00.169" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too difficult to get started with. But when I started more on""" start="00:00:02.810" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the coding side, because I'm a software engineer, you know,""" start="00:00:08.972" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the day job, That kind of got me to think that the colors and""" start="00:00:08.972" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how themes look, how Emacs looks, was affecting. And that's""" start="00:00:16.366" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how it kind of came to picture. So I could have kind of gone""" start="00:00:25.331" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into a little bit more coding side of things, but I didn't""" start="00:00:29.073" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to stress too much on the talk. So that's why I kind of""" start="00:00:29.073" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuck to a very small bits of Org Mode and Elisp. And yeah, I""" start="00:00:36.957" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think that's how it came about. Yeah, but that's perfectly""" start="00:00:42.319" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fine. That's one of the chief reasons why we have two tracks""" start="00:00:46.536" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for Emacs content. We've had those for the last four years, I""" start="00:00:49.437" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think. It's because we have a general track, which is more""" start="00:00:52.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""geared towards people who want a general... well,""" start="00:00:55.119" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generally people who are highly interested into org mode""" start="00:00:55.119" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and not necessarily into coding, but just to whet their""" start="00:00:55.119" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""appetite to what can be done. And on the DevTrack, we have,""" start="00:00:55.119" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, this year we have talked about Rust and about other""" start="00:01:06.082" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fancy things that people can do with Emacs. But, you know,""" start="00:01:06.082" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm also a software engineer, you know, we do this all the""" start="00:01:13.006" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time. Sometimes it's just fine to just chat about colors and""" start="00:01:13.006" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just the results of what we develop rather than how the""" start="00:01:15.808" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sausage is made. So that's completely fine too. I'm not sure""" start="00:01:15.808" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you mentioned it in your presentation, but why color, out""" start="00:01:23.733" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of all the things you could be ricing on your setup, why were""" start="00:01:23.733" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you so interested about colors? I think it was just that""" start="00:01:23.733" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly that I had to do a lot of context switch between""" start="00:01:34.870" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different languages. Elisp is not the one because Elisp is""" start="00:01:34.870" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something that I would do for Emacs editing. But for day job,""" start="00:01:41.576" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I had to use mainly Go as I work with Kubernetes quite a bit. So""" start="00:01:47.061" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Go and also web languages like TypeScript, JavaScript, you""" start="00:01:52.525" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know, those languages, where I felt that whenever I was""" start="00:01:58.090" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switching context to a different language, I felt that it's""" start="00:01:58.090" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kind of annoying to see all the different colors in""" start="00:01:58.090" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages like TypeScript, where, you know, VS Code way""" start="00:01:58.090" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be very full of colors. which I felt that, okay, like,""" start="00:01:58.090" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""why do I have to have that many different colors on let and""" start="00:02:14.262" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""constant or the keywords where it could be just a white text?""" start="00:02:14.262" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It didn't have to be that colorful. So that was the bit, the""" start="00:02:23.789" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most annoying bit when it came to context switching. And I""" start="00:02:25.890" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""felt that that just didn't happen in the org mode or writing""" start="00:02:30.974" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in general. So I had to find a way to make it work, make more""" start="00:02:30.974" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coding make my coding more kind of friendly to me and that's""" start="00:02:36.017" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I thought maybe just the colors are something that's""" start="00:02:42.173" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bothering me and it actually was the case and that's how I got""" start="00:02:42.173" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to more into the color kind of journey and got too much into it""" start="00:02:42.173" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess. Right, and was it what eventually motivated you to""" start="00:02:42.173" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learn Elisp and to get into the Emacs core? Because it's""" start="00:03:00.535" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""funny how you find plenty of people using Emacs in org mode""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then they find something that they take particular""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""issue with, for you it's the color, and then they just go all""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in trying to pull the rope as far as they can to try to""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand as much as possible about what code is managing""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this part of the application. Like for you it was color, for""" start="00:03:05.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""me it was the org agenda, I desperately wanted to make Org""" start="00:03:22.786" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Agenda do something that it wasn't able to do. And five""" start="00:03:25.367" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""years, well, actually, no, 10 years later, I find myself""" start="00:03:31.433" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hosting Emacs Cons. So, you never know just how far you're""" start="00:03:31.433" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be pulling this rope. So, it's really interesting""" start="00:03:36.598" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me that my call was this. But back to the question, is this""" start="00:03:39.561" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what eventually motivated you to get into Elisp and the core""" start="00:03:42.464" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of Emacs? I think that the original journey to move to Emacs""" start="00:03:42.464" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was around keybindings that I got annoyed with with other""" start="00:03:49.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""solutions, not just, you know, not speaking of Emacs""" start="00:03:49.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""keybinding or anything, like anything in general. The main""" start="00:03:49.798" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reason was that I used Dovrak keyboard layout, and that""" start="00:04:02.870" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meant that all the Ctrl C, Ctrl V, Ctrl P, whatever, It just is""" start="00:04:02.870" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all over the place. So I had to find something that could work""" start="00:04:10.257" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me. And Emacs was a solution that allowed me to do""" start="00:04:11.577" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything. And that's the kind of the journey that it""" start="00:04:14.898" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""originally started. And from there, started tweaking org""" start="00:04:18.019" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode and writing experience to be tuned to my liking. Color""" start="00:04:21.599" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was another thing that I thought, OK, maybe I could do it""" start="00:04:29.101" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easily with org mode. And when I started to use more of the""" start="00:04:29.101" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""coding side of things on Emacs, I felt that, okay, that was""" start="00:04:34.262" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something I needed to solve. So e-list was always kind of""" start="00:04:39.355" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just a toolkit that, you know, I knew that it was available. I""" start="00:04:41.877" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knew that it would be something that I want to be able to use.""" start="00:04:48.322" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think in a way color was a good segue to understand how I""" start="00:04:52.646" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can kind of work out more of a complex logic with the editor""" start="00:04:52.646" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""without having to write JavaScript or things that I don't""" start="00:04:59.136" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly like. So yeah, I think the journey around the""" start="00:04:59.136" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functional languages, functional kind of programming was""" start="00:05:07.440" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""always something that I was keen about. 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And it was""" start="00:13:13.775" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""great fun putting this together. And I really didn't think""" start="00:13:16.577" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I would be talking about my personal colors and""" start="00:13:19.299" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""personal favorites, like orange being my favorite color.""" start="00:13:19.299" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This wouldn't be something that I would say out in any""" start="00:13:27.845" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference, to be honest. But it just came out to be. And""" start="00:13:27.845" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happy that I had a chance. So thank you very much for giving me""" start="00:13:33.890" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the opportunity to talk. in this amazing conference and""" start="00:13:35.651" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah I can't just wait to check out other talks which you know""" start="00:13:39.574" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I know that there isn't you know other talks that are""" start="00:13:39.574" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happening right now I was actually wanted to to join them and""" start="00:13:39.574" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check check that out so I will probably do that right now.""" start="00:13:39.574" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Well, sure. Well, I won't hold you any longer then. Thank""" start="00:13:53.419" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you. For me, it was just amazing to, you know, generally when""" start="00:13:56.401" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you ask someone what their favorite color, you know, they""" start="00:13:57.682" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just tell you orange or blue or whatever. They don't go then""" start="00:13:57.682" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to chat about 20 minutes about their favorite color and how""" start="00:14:03.586" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they tuned their entire editor to work exactly around their""" start="00:14:03.586" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""favorite colors. So it was inspiring. And I also want to try""" start="00:14:03.586" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it out, frankly, because my theme has been utterly bad for""" start="00:14:12.912" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last five years and I need some change into my life. All""" start="00:14:12.912" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much,""" start="00:14:21.497" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone. Cheers. Bye-bye.""" start="00:14:23.629" video="qanda-color" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/2024/talks/org-update.md b/2024/talks/org-update.md index 944b7fd7..58173db1 100644 --- a/2024/talks/org-update.md +++ b/2024/talks/org-update.md @@ -13,6 +13,182 @@ Ihor Radchenko +# Discussion + +## Questions and answers + +- Q:\<\_viz\> Q: Is the track-changes item about the org-element + parser? \[10:34\] + - A:Yes + - \<Ihor\> Moreover, track-changes has been developed with my + input specifically aimed to make sure that it can support + org-element use case. See + [https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + /bugreport.cgi?bug=70077 +- Q: Could you please keep IRC alive? I prefer it to Matrix. Thx. + - A: I am mostly live on IRC from mobile (via Revolution IRC) and + should be able to see most of the messages. Except when my + mobile phone does not have good internet connection or is + discharged + - I got a suggestion to use chat.sr.ht as a bouncer. I will look + into it to make the connection more reliable. (It is not bad + now, but I do miss messages once in a while). +- Q: Is there any plan for adding support for other modalities of + notes like handwritten, audio, etc.? Would that be interesting to + the community? It will definitely be useful for me. + - A: Might want to look into jkitchin's repos (possibly via + tesseract) + - tesseract + image paste: + [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGGAr1AWkTc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGGAr1AWkTc){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - John Kitchin \[Youtube\] (2021) scimax - #drawing + screenshot, tesseract, pngpaste and ox-clip + - For audio, I do not know much. My bookmarks contain a couple + of possibly related items: + - [https://git.sr.ht/\~lxsameer/orion](https://git.sr.ht/~lxsameer/orion){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - [https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input\--output](https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input--output){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - You can use attachment and images to paste. + + - \<Ihor\> In terms of actually adding support for hadwritten + notes/audio, it is not 100% clear what that support would + consitute. Tooling to convert images/sound to text would + probably not be appropriate for Org mode. It would be better + done as a separate package(s). Then, using such tooling could be + supported, but again, it is not clear what such a support would + constitute. + + - \"Would that be interesting to the community?\" Go and ask ;) + Just write about your idea in details to the mailing list and + you will get feedback. What I can tell is that this topic does + not surface frequently as far as I am aware. + +- Q: I spent some time writing a library for myself which involved + working with org files. One thing I struggled with was finding a + good source of reference code which demonstrated idiomatic usage. Is + there/could there be a resource with which to recommend particularly + well written codebases for review by others? + - A: Ideally, Org codebase should be such a place. Unfortunately, + not every part of Org is a good reference for others (I hope to + keep pushing for improvements). + - Decent references could be ox.el, many ob-\* backends, and + ox-\* backends. But I cannot suggest something definite + without knowing what exactly you tried to do. There are many + APIs in Org mode. + - What might be useful is + [https://orgmode.org/manual/Hacking.html](https://orgmode.org/manual/Hacking.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + and + [https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/index.html](https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/index.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - Maybe also + [https://alphapapa.github.io/org-almanac/#development](https://alphapapa.github.io/org-almanac/#development){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + +- Q: WRT IETF standardization, have you looked at Karl Voits OrgDown? + - A: Lot of pushback to this idea on the mailing-list. + - A large part of it was about naming + - Some links: + - [https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/](https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - My followup: + [https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/](https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - Despite pushback, Karl\'s idea did align with our IETF idea + and with one of the point I make in the presentation about + making life easier for non-Emacs apps. + - See + [https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/2022-10-17T22-36-38@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/](https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/2022-10-17T22-36-38@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - I will quote Bastien here: + - [https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87fsfl7g01.fsf@bzg.fr/](https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87fsfl7g01.fsf@bzg.fr/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - What occurred to me while rereading this thread is + that definining a + - syntax for a IETF RFC on an Org mimetype probably + needs to be done not + - just by this Emacs Org-mode community, but by + bringing together other + - \"consumers\" of .org files, from ecosystems outside + of Emacs. + - Such a collective work could lead to define what + subset of the Org + - syntax is useful as the corner-stone for .org files + everywhere - which + - is what you rightfully brought up with \"Orgdown\". + - If successful, such a process could end up in + defining the minimal and + - official \"Org syntax\" while allowing + implementations (like the one for + - Emacs org-mode) to supercharge this syntax if deemed + useful. + - Perhaps TEC is right and we will end up having the + minimal syntax + - being the one we currently use for Org-mode: we\'ll + see. +- Q: About a year ago we discussed switching GNU documentation from + texinfo to org. Do you still consider this? + - A: We don't want to complicate org syntax to adjust to the + texinfo markup. + - ...But we want to keep org's syntax generic so that it can be + customized to support the necessary Texinfo constructs + - I detailed my vision in + [https://list.orgmode.org/875xwqj4tl.fsf@localhost/](https://list.orgmode.org/875xwqj4tl.fsf@localhost/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + - apart from Texinfo parity, the idea is to help + addressing various syntax edge cases by providing + aliases to the existing markup elements + +## Notes + + \<meain\> Nice to see mobile apps actively being considered when +talking about\ + org :D \[10:29\]\ + +- \<johnhamelink\> Transient integration in org will be a very welcome +- improvement! Being able to save the + transient state on +- org-export would be very nice indeed +- \<tarsius\> fun fact: Transient did take some inspiration from + Org\'s menus + - \<bzg\_\> tarsius: Oh, I did not know this! + - \<bzg\_\> From which menus exactly, those implemented by Nicolas + for the + - exporter? + - \<tarsius\> Not any specific menus but the \"dim unreachable + commands, when the + - user typed an incomplete key sequence\" + feature. +- \<polezaivsani\> love to hear how folks in emacs real approach + project development as social endeavors to a significant degree +- \<neil\> Another mobile app that understands org-markdown is + ZettelNotes + ([https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/](https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}) + - \<Ihor\> It is not the only one missed. For a reason. I did not + find source code. + - \<neil\> Ah ok, that is fair. +- \<jaafar\>There is a Ruby parser too, in the Guthub renderer + - Right. It is also listed at + [https://orgmode.org/tools.html](https://orgmode.org/tools.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"} + (alongside with Pandoc) +- \<johnhamelink\> As an org user but someone who is not familiar with + development +- (and has no context on org\'s direction + before Ihor\'s +- stewardship), I\'m really excited about + the priorities being +- expressed in this talk :) Thanks + \[10:47\] +- \<kswiss\> another great (and absolute core to me) app with org-mode + support (respectively org files are at the core of it) for iOS + devices is: beorg + [https://www.beorgapp.com/](https://www.beorgapp.com/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} +- \<johnhamelink\> Really encouraging stuff, thanks :D \[11:02\] +- \<vidianos, aquamo4k, stshine\> Thank you yantar92\` +- \<martinl\> Thank you for this wonderful talk! +- \<vidianos\> We appreciate all the work being done +- \<mjhoy\> really enjoying this talk as a long time user who hasn\'t + ever really +- thought about how org mode gets developed (much less + contributed) +- For audio transcription, I use Speech Note (offline) and copy the + text to orgmode +- It\'s great to see Carsten, Bastien and Ihor together. I run my life + with orgmode, so we owe you guys a lot :) +- \<sachac\> I think a huge part of Org Mode is workflow, and that\'s + both highly individual and highly social - we learn about what\'s + possible by hearing about how other people do things + [[!inline pages="internal(2024/info/org-update-after)" raw="yes"]] |