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diff --git a/2024/info/gypsum-after.md b/2024/info/gypsum-after.md index 33f399f0..b055a819 100644 --- a/2024/info/gypsum-after.md +++ b/2024/info/gypsum-after.md @@ -377,7 +377,255 @@ Captioner: ramin -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ramin.honary@gmail.com](mailto:ramin.honary@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gypsum%3A%20Gypsum%3A%20my%20clone%20of%20Emacs%20and%20ELisp%20written%20in%20Scheme) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="gypsum-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""Troy Hinckley's project that I'm talking about. I was going""" start="00:00:00.069" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to mention this in my presentation, but it's possible,""" start="00:00:02.350" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""theoretically, that Troy Hinckley, his project could be""" start="00:00:02.350" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used as a scheme of limitation that actually runs my own""" start="00:00:02.350" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""version of Emacs. And although, you know, This is""" start="00:00:02.350" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""completely theoretical, and I don't know how difficult""" start="00:00:25.478" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would be. But if Troy Hinckley implemented enough of""" start="00:00:25.478" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the R7-RS standard in Rust, it would theoretically be""" start="00:00:30.781" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible to run the Gypsum editor in Troy Hinckley's own""" start="00:00:30.781" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editor. I thought that was kind of interesting, and I""" start="00:00:30.781" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thought it was worth mentioning, at least in the questions""" start="00:00:48.270" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and answers.""" start="00:00:48.270" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also mentioned this in the presentation. I wanted to see""" start="00:01:12.179" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Robin Templeton's project presentation, but""" start="00:01:14.940" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunately it's going to be at like four in the morning""" start="00:01:14.940" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for me. So I'm going to try and watch that tomorrow, but""" start="00:01:14.940" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's also going to be a very interesting project to keep an""" start="00:01:22.984" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""eye on if you're interested in Scheme. That's the project""" start="00:01:22.984" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you've got the Guylain interpreter running inside of""" start="00:01:33.149" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs process. It's dynamically linked as a library.""" start="00:01:33.149" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm ready for questions from anybody. You can ask or you can""" start="00:02:04.699" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""type. It's up to you.""" start="00:02:07.431" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, let me check the etherpad.""" start="00:02:32.319" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see here.""" start="00:02:37.304" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure if I'm doing that right.""" start="00:02:41.208" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me check one more time. Oh, there it goes.""" start="00:02:46.373" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see, so this is...""" start="00:02:54.221" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I didn't know about that first bit of history. Oh, I've heard""" start="00:03:00.151" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""RMS say that Scheme Guile is just a nicer Lisp, but I didn't""" start="00:03:02.332" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""know there were concrete talks attempts to use Guile for""" start="00:03:02.332" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs that early. Let's see, that was from janneke.""" start="00:03:02.332" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: I'm curious to know how the hell guile-emacs deals with all of the dynamically scoped modules out there. Is there any effort to automatically modularize and namespace stuff?""" start="00:03:09.370" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""I'm curious to know how the hell Guile Emacs deals with all the""" start="00:03:09.370" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dynamically scoped modules out there. Is there any effort""" start="00:03:14.318" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to automatically modularize and name? Let's see.""" start="00:03:20.181" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That might be a better question for Robin Templeton. In my""" start="00:03:30.523" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""own project,""" start="00:03:36.727" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's no module system for Emacs Lisp. There is a module""" start="00:03:36.727" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system for Scheme. And the Emacs Lisp interpreter runs in""" start="00:03:46.693" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its own environment. the require system or whatever module""" start="00:03:49.695" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system that Emacs has, once it's implemented, all of that""" start="00:03:57.068" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would just happen inside of the Emacs Lisp environment,""" start="00:03:57.068" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is inside of the Scheme environment. And""" start="00:03:57.068" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""environments are objects in Scheme.""" start="00:04:12.437" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think a more difficult question is how to handle""" start="00:04:21.522" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threading, and Scheme has very good threading built in, in""" start="00:04:26.420" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Serphe-18[??].""" start="00:04:26.420" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I don't think it will be easy to write Emacs Lisp form""" start="00:04:34.283" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings to the Scheme multi-threading implementation.""" start="00:04:34.283" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp was just not cut out for that kind of thing. So I""" start="00:04:48.548" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think each Emacs Lisp, you could, I suppose, have multiple""" start="00:04:51.710" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""threads each running their own Emacs Lisp environment.""" start="00:04:51.710" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme would make that very simple to do.""" start="00:05:01.375" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then there'd just be a question of how you would get those""" start="00:05:06.018" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different interpreters to communicate with each other,""" start="00:05:06.018" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps using the same protocol that's used by the Emacs""" start="00:05:06.018" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""server. But I haven't thought that far ahead yet.""" start="00:05:06.018" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Would it be possible to support a GUI toolkit other than GTK?""" start="00:05:23.646" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Would it be possible to support a GUI toolkit other than the""" start="00:05:23.646" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""GTK? Like, how is it still supports Lucid? Yes, this is""" start="00:05:23.646" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""absolutely a goal of the project. I'm trying to keep the back""" start="00:05:31.291" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""end separate as possible. The scheme has what you call""" start="00:05:33.873" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parameters. And these are like global variables that are""" start="00:05:39.817" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""still somewhat thread safe. And every call to the GUI goes""" start="00:05:43.199" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through a parameter. So the Emacs, the interpreter and the""" start="00:05:47.484" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""editor logic is all in one module. And then that module calls""" start="00:05:52.125" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""out into a separate GUI module. And then you can implement""" start="00:05:59.987" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""different GUI modules. So you could have one for GTK3, one""" start="00:06:04.989" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for GTK4, if you want to write the extern C bindings around Qt""" start="00:06:08.430" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or full tick, that would certainly be possible as well. It""" start="00:06:13.843" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be nice maybe to have an SDL implementation based""" start="00:06:21.185" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maybe on Chikiti or some kind of immediate mode GUI,""" start="00:06:21.185" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something like that. But definitely GTK3 through Guile GI""" start="00:06:21.185" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the reference implementation. Things start there. But""" start="00:06:33.808" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm very interested in supporting other GUIs, yes. Let's""" start="00:06:41.298" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see.""" start="00:06:45.199" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Do you plan to provide improvements to Elisp as a language, or is the focus on a compatibility layer to facilitate doing all new extensions, etc. in Scheme?""" start="00:06:45.257" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Question, do you plan to provide improvements to ELisp""" start="00:06:45.257" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as a language or focus on a compatibility layer to""" start="00:06:47.540" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""facilitate all new extensions in Scheme? Yeah, the second""" start="00:06:47.540" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one. I want to move off to Scheme. I would like for this""" start="00:06:57.142" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project to try and keep up to date with each new release of""" start="00:07:03.384" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs and Emacs Lisp. That's a difficult moving target to""" start="00:07:05.666" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""follow, I realize. But to the greatest extent possible, any""" start="00:07:11.850" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""new features to Emacs Lisp will be pulled in from GNU Emacs.""" start="00:07:15.152" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If we happen to be able to implement something cool in""" start="00:07:25.419" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme, and be able to port it over to Emacs Lisp, then sure,""" start="00:07:25.419" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'd be nice to be able to upload or to submit that upstream to""" start="00:07:29.437" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the GNU Emacs. But I think I would prefer to have new features""" start="00:07:29.437" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""written in Scheme. I would like this gypsum to be more of a""" start="00:07:38.584" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Scheme app platform that just happens to be able to also run""" start="00:07:43.989" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs Lisp. That's how I see it. Of course, this will be a""" start="00:07:43.989" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community project. I'm open to debate about that if anybody""" start="00:07:54.577" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wants to convince me otherwise.""" start="00:07:58.809" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Why is being able to interpret all of \`init.el\` an useful goal?""" start="00:08:08.439" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Why is being able to interpret all of that EL a useful goal?""" start="00:08:08.439" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sure, there is a lot of code written in Elisp. Can we""" start="00:08:12.464" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""consider... Oh, it's still being written. Please go ahead""" start="00:08:15.206" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and finish writing.""" start="00:08:18.390" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Can we consider a translator like utility to convert elisp to scheme, once guile-emacs becomes a reality?""" start="00:08:29.673" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Can we consider a translator like utility to convert eLisp""" start="00:08:29.673" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Scheme once Guile-Emacs has become a reality?""" start="00:08:29.673" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Certainly. For the time being, I just wanted to get the""" start="00:08:36.716" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter running. So the actual, the Guile-Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:08:38.717" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the one that was written in 2011 that I didn't write, that""" start="00:08:44.520" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually does compile to, I think it's the tree""" start="00:08:44.520" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intermediate representation It's one of the intermediate""" start="00:08:44.520" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages that Guile uses to compile Guile scheme itself.""" start="00:08:59.076" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the Emacs lisp that was written before actually does""" start="00:09:04.817" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. It actually compiles and makes use of the entire Guile""" start="00:09:04.817" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compiler tool chain and actually produces like JIT""" start="00:09:09.339" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilable binaries, which is really cool. Like I said,""" start="00:09:09.339" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the one that I had trouble getting to work properly.""" start="00:09:23.342" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Maybe we can follow that architecture. I'm not sure how to do""" start="00:09:29.209" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, but I would like to be able to do some kind of""" start="00:09:33.052" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""translating, keeping in mind that we want to have this be""" start="00:09:33.052" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""portable, do various schemes. And so Guile makes this very""" start="00:09:33.052" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easy, but other schemes don't. Gambit might do this pretty""" start="00:09:45.988" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well as well. It compiles to C and then compiles C down to a""" start="00:09:51.549" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dynamically linkable library. So yeah, I think probably""" start="00:09:53.950" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most portable, I'm just thinking out loud right now,""" start="00:10:03.372" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most portable implementation will just be able to""" start="00:10:10.652" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""translate Emacs Lisp directly to Scheme, which is not what""" start="00:10:10.652" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the old Guile Emacs Lisp implementation does. That goes to""" start="00:10:10.652" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeIL, so it's very, very Guile-specific, can't be""" start="00:10:21.755" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ported. But yeah, if we could somehow get Emacs Lisp""" start="00:10:21.755" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""translated to Scheme and then compiled, say, in Shea Scheme""" start="00:10:28.359" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or Gambit or MIT Scheme or one of those other compilers, that""" start="00:10:28.359" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be very cool. And I would absolutely love to do that.""" start="00:10:28.359" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I would very quickly accept any code into the code base""" start="00:10:44.906" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that would do that.""" start="00:10:44.906" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Why is being able to interpret all of \`init.el\` an useful goal?""" start="00:10:54.390" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Oh, and to answer the question about init.el,""" start="00:10:54.390" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's just because people spend a lot of time on their configs""" start="00:10:59.207" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it would be nice if, you know, you're starting to use this""" start="00:10:59.207" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""new editor and want it to be similar to Emacs users, just the""" start="00:10:59.207" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs community in general and people who are familiar with""" start="00:10:59.207" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using Emacs. It would be more useful to everybody in the""" start="00:10:59.207" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs community if this were more compatible with GNU""" start="00:11:17.715" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. And so that's why that's, I think that's an important""" start="00:11:17.715" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""goal.""" start="00:11:25.679" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Question is not yet. Great. Oh, here comes another""" start="00:11:34.465" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question.""" start="00:11:38.471" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: What is the plan to handle elisp packages that depend on 3rd party/external libraries? (libgit/magit or rg/ripgrep)?""" start="00:12:08.539" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, what is the plan to handle elisp packages that depend""" start="00:12:08.539" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on third-party or external libraries like git or magit""" start="00:12:08.539" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or ripgrep? So that's going to be tricky. It depends on how""" start="00:12:08.539" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these external packages are linked into emacs. If it's""" start="00:12:21.523" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to be a dynamic library like Robin Templeton's""" start="00:12:26.844" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""project which you load the libgit library into the Emacs""" start="00:12:26.844" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""process, that is going to be extremely difficult. So if you""" start="00:12:35.289" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have an external library like, I don't know, libgit or""" start="00:12:44.032" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's the GUI thing? Cabal. No, not Cabal. Cairo, libcairo""" start="00:12:44.032" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to do SVG graphics and so on.""" start="00:12:57.736" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do that very easily with Guile, but then on top of""" start="00:13:04.483" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, implementing Emacs list bindings to it, I mean,""" start="00:13:04.483" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you've got two layers there, and that makes things pretty""" start="00:13:04.483" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""difficult. So it's possible. And to some degree, maybe""" start="00:13:04.483" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""necessary for example, Cairo, if we want to do SVG graphics""" start="00:13:21.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the way that Emacs Lisp does, we're going to have to have""" start="00:13:21.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. So that would be necessary. We would have to have those""" start="00:13:21.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two layers. Yes, let's do that. But if it's like for Magit,""" start="00:13:32.643" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can just call out to your git process, and then you're""" start="00:13:38.047" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just using the regular process APIs that Emacs Lisp has. And""" start="00:13:38.047" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can be, already we, like Guile has some very good""" start="00:13:51.451" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementations for process management. And so it would""" start="00:13:51.451" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just be a matter of wrapping up those in the Emacs lisp form""" start="00:13:59.055" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bindings. 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So, we can""" start="00:14:43.969" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just reuse all of the Emacs Lisp code that does that already.""" start="00:14:50.412" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We just need to make sure that the process management""" start="00:14:54.014" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""implementation and scheme is properly bound to Emacs Lisp,""" start="00:14:54.014" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it works the same as GNU Emacs does. Once that's all set,""" start="00:14:54.014" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then these porcelains, like around git, should fall into""" start="00:15:06.360" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""place. without too much difficulty, hopefully.""" start="00:15:06.360" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Not really a question, but how about Schemacs as a name?""" start="00:15:21.112" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""How about Schemax as a name? I like the name. I like that name.""" start="00:15:21.112" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't really looked into like, is that already used or is""" start="00:15:28.937" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that going to be confusing? 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And we can""" start="00:16:19.633" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk about the name as well.""" start="00:16:30.256" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Q: Why is it not feasible for the Emacs layer that interprets Emacs Lisp (the core in C) ot have a Scheme interpreter, instead of using Guile?""" start="00:16:45.931" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""Okay, why is it not feasible for the Emacs layer that""" start="00:16:45.931" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interprets Emacs Lisp, the core in C, have a Scheme""" start="00:16:45.931" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter instead of using Guile? Let's see, I have to,""" start="00:16:45.931" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay. Emacs layer interprets Emacs Lisp, the core in C, have""" start="00:16:55.496" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a Scheme interpreter instead of using Guile. Okay, so that,""" start="00:16:57.737" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question xlarsx is asking, xlars, x, So Lars is asking,""" start="00:17:07.362" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is it not feasible for there to be an""" start="00:17:14.744" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs layer that interprets Emacs Lisp have a scheme""" start="00:17:14.744" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter? This is Robin Templeton's project. And""" start="00:17:14.744" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they're presenting later today. So check the roster and be""" start="00:17:30.815" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure to see that presentation because that's exactly what""" start="00:17:32.697" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Robin Templeton is doing. That's not what I'm doing though.""" start="00:17:32.697" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm trying to create something in Scheme. But yes, there is""" start="00:17:44.419" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an attempt to get an Scheme interpreter to run inside of""" start="00:17:48.280" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs itself. And it has its own method of binding to Emacs""" start="00:17:48.280" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Lisp functions and translating data like Lisp structures""" start="00:17:55.181" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between Guile Scheme and Emacs Lisp. Robin will explain all""" start="00:17:55.181" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of that in their presentation.""" start="00:18:05.943" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""OK, I think I've got through all the questions on Etherpad.""" start="00:18:28.519" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I'm going to hang out here for a bit longer. And yeah, feel""" start="00:18:33.620" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""free to do a video chat with me or send me more questions on""" start="00:18:37.621" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Etherpad or here in the big blue button. And so I'm just going""" start="00:18:37.621" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hang out. And thanks for asking all your questions. And""" start="00:18:47.002" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I look forward to working with all of you if you're""" start="00:18:51.663" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interested. take it easy. Thanks so much for the talk and""" start="00:18:51.663" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking forward to seeing some of your progress as this""" start="00:18:59.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moves forward, exciting space. We'll go ahead and leave the""" start="00:18:59.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room open for you and thanks for offering to hang out and chat""" start="00:19:09.261" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with other people that come by. Feel free to throw something""" start="00:19:09.261" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the chat if you want to remind people you're still here.""" start="00:19:15.025" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Meanwhile, on the stream, we have moved along to our next""" start="00:19:19.557" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk on Rust, and that is just getting started. But again,""" start="00:19:19.557" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're continuing to record this, and I'll just keep an eye on""" start="00:19:25.283" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it to stop the recording. Thank you. Thank you. It was""" start="00:19:25.283" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""awesome.""" start="00:19:33.352" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So it seems like it's slowed down here for the Q&A. I don't see""" start="00:21:47.935" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anybody else on BBB, so I'm going to go ahead and stop the""" start="00:21:50.638" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recording. We can start it back up. I would say, yes, there's""" start="00:21:50.638" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of things you can do with this. You can handle""" start="00:21:55.282" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""processing. Yeah, I'm going to try and join over the chat for""" start="00:21:58.926" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the next talk. I'm not sure if I can do both big blue buttons at""" start="00:22:02.029" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the same time. You should be able to just watch your mute""" start="00:22:08.635" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""settings and mute tab settings and whatever all you have to""" start="00:22:13.206" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""avoid bleed through. Okay.""" start="00:22:13.206" video="qanda-gypsum" id="subtitle"]] + +</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [ramin.honary@gmail.com](mailto:ramin.honary@gmail.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20gypsum%3A%20Gypsum%3A%20my%20clone%20of%20Emacs%20and%20ELisp%20written%20in%20Scheme) <!-- End of emacsconf-publish-after-page --> diff --git a/2024/info/gypsum-before.md b/2024/info/gypsum-before.md index 7d243b8d..524407d7 100644 --- a/2024/info/gypsum-before.md +++ b/2024/info/gypsum-before.md @@ -2,12 +2,18 @@ [[!toc ]] Format: 25-min talk ; Q&A: BigBlueButton conference room Etherpad: <https://pad.emacsconf.org/2024-gypsum> -Status: Q&A finished, IRC and pad will be archived on this page +Status: TO_CAPTION_QA +# Talk + <div class="vid"><video controls preload="none" id="gypsum-mainVideo"><source src="https://media.emacsconf.org/2024/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--main.webm" />captions="""<track label="English" kind="captions" srclang="en" src="/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--main.vtt" default />"""<p><em>Your browser does not support the video tag. 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