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diff --git a/2024/info/p-search-after.md b/2024/info/p-search-after.md index 779ffbb2..daebac99 100644 --- a/2024/info/p-search-after.md +++ b/2024/info/p-search-after.md @@ -335,7 +335,654 @@ Captioner: sachac -Questions or comments? Please e-mail [zacromero@posteo.com](mailto:zacromero@posteo.com?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20p-search%3A%20p-search%3A%20a%20local%20search%20engine%20in%20Emacs) +<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="p-search-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""starting the recording here in the chat, and I see some""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions already coming in. So thank you so much for your""" start="00:00:03.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk, Zach, and I'll step out of your way and let you field""" start="00:00:06.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some of these questions.""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Sounds good. All right, so let's see. I'm going off of the""" start="00:00:10.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question list. So the first one is about having reduced""" start="00:00:22.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""version of the functionality integrated into iSearch. So""" start="00:00:25.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, with the way things are set up, it is essentially a""" start="00:00:32.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""framework. So""" start="00:00:37.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can create a candidate. So just a review from the talk. So""" start="00:00:42.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have these candidate generators which generate search""" start="00:00:46.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""candidates. So you can have a file system candidate which""" start="00:00:49.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generates these file documents, which have text content in""" start="00:00:54.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. In theory, you could have like a website candidate""" start="00:00:58.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""generator, and it could be like a web crawler. I mean, so""" start="00:01:01.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a lot of different options. So one option, it's on my""" start="00:01:06.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mind, and I hope to get to this soon, is create a defund, like a""" start="00:01:10.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defund candidate generator. So basically it takes a file,""" start="00:01:15.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""splits it up into like defunds, kind of like just like what""" start="00:01:18.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""iSearch would do. and then use each of those, the body of""" start="00:01:22.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those, as a content for the search session. So, I mean,""" start="00:01:26.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""essentially you could just, you could start up a session,""" start="00:01:30.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there's like programmatic ways to start these up too. So""" start="00:01:35.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you could, if such a candidate generator was created, you""" start="00:01:39.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could easily, and just like, you know, one command. Get the""" start="00:01:42.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defunds, create a search session with it, and then just go""" start="00:01:49.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""straight to your query. So, definitely, that's something""" start="00:01:54.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just like this. is in the works. And I guess another thing is""" start="00:02:01.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interface.""" start="00:02:06.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The whole dedicated buffer is helpful for searching, but""" start="00:02:08.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with this iSearch case, there's currently not a way to have a""" start="00:02:17.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reduced UI, where it's just like, OK, I have these function""" start="00:02:21.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""defunds for the current file. I just want them to pop up at the""" start="00:02:27.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bottom so I can quickly go through it. So currently, I don't""" start="00:02:32.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have that. But such a UI is definitely, yeah, thinking about""" start="00:02:35.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how that could be done.""" start="00:02:41.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Alright, so yeah. So next question. Andy, how we how this""" start="00:02:45.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will work with personal information like subtle casting.""" start="00:02:50.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is, this is like, I mean, it's essentially usable as""" start="00:02:52.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is with subtle casting method. So, I mean, that I mean""" start="00:02:58.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically what like for example org-roam and I think other""" start="00:03:04.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ones like denote they have they put all these files in the""" start="00:03:08.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory and so with the already existing file system""" start="00:03:12.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""candidate generator all you'd have to do is set that to be the""" start="00:03:15.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directory of your Zettelkasten system and then it would""" start="00:03:19.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just pick up, it would just pick up all the files in there and""" start="00:03:23.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then add those as search candidates. So you could easily""" start="00:03:26.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just search your, I mean, whatever system you have. And""" start="00:03:28.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""based off of the ways it's set up, if you had maybe your""" start="00:03:33.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""dailies you didn't want to search, it's just as easy to add a""" start="00:03:36.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""criteria saying, I don't want dailies to be searched. Like""" start="00:03:41.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""give, like just eliminate the date, like the things from the""" start="00:03:44.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""daily from the sub directory. And then there you go. you have""" start="00:03:47.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your Zettelkasten search engine, and you could just copy""" start="00:03:51.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the, you know, there's, I mean, I need, I'm working on""" start="00:03:57.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentation for this to kind of set this up easily, but,""" start="00:04:00.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, you could just create your simple command, just""" start="00:04:03.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, your simple command, just like, just take in a text""" start="00:04:06.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""query, run it through the system, and then just get your""" start="00:04:10.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""search results right there. So yeah, definitely that is a""" start="00:04:14.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use case that's on top of my mind. So next one, how good does a""" start="00:04:19.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""search work for synonyms, especially if you use different""" start="00:04:23.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages? Okay, this is a good question because with the""" start="00:04:26.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""way that VM25 works, it's essentially just like trying to""" start="00:04:30.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find where terms occur and just counts them up.""" start="00:04:34.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I mean, this is something I couldn't get into. There's just""" start="00:04:41.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too much on the topic of information retrieval to kind of go""" start="00:04:44.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into this, but there is a whole kind of field of just like, how""" start="00:04:46.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do you, given a search term, how do you know what you should""" start="00:04:52.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""search for? So like popular kind of industrial search""" start="00:04:58.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""engines, like they have kind of this feature where you can""" start="00:05:02.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like define synonyms, define, term replacement. So""" start="00:05:07.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever you see this term, it should be this. And it even""" start="00:05:11.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gets even further. If someone searches for a plural string,""" start="00:05:14.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do you get the singular from that and search for that? So""" start="00:05:19.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is a huge topic that currently Psearch doesn't""" start="00:05:22.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""address, but it's on the top of my mind as to how. So that's one""" start="00:05:27.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part. The next part is or different languages, one thing""" start="00:05:33.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that kind of seems like it's promising is vector search,""" start="00:05:39.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, I mean, with the way psearch is set up, you could""" start="00:05:42.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easily just create a vector search prior, plug it into the""" start="00:05:47.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""system, and start using it. The only problem is that kind of""" start="00:05:51.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the vector search functions, like you have to do like cosine""" start="00:05:54.600" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similarity, like if you have like 10,000 documents, If""" start="00:05:58.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're writing elisp to calculate the cosine similarity""" start="00:06:03.640" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the vectors, that's going to be very slow. And so now""" start="00:06:06.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the whole can of worms of indexing comes up. And how do you do""" start="00:06:09.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that? And is that going to be native elisp? And so that's a""" start="00:06:14.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whole other can of worms. So yeah, vector search seems""" start="00:06:17.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""promising. And then hopefully maybe other traditional""" start="00:06:21.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""synonyms, stemming, that kind of stuff for alternate""" start="00:06:25.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""terms, that could also be incorporated.""" start="00:06:33.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, next one. When searching by author, I know authors may""" start="00:06:40.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up a new machine and not put the exact same information.""" start="00:06:43.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is this doing anything to combine these two in one author?""" start="00:06:47.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so for this one, it's not. So it's like the way the get""" start="00:06:49.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""prior is currently set up is that it just does like a get""" start="00:06:54.400" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""command to get all the get authors. You select one and then it""" start="00:06:58.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just uses that. But the thing is, is if you knew the two emails""" start="00:07:02.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that user might have used, the two usernames, you could just""" start="00:07:07.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up the""" start="00:07:12.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""two priors. One for the old user's email, and then just add""" start="00:07:14.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""another prior for the new user's email. And then that would""" start="00:07:19.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be a way to just get both of those set up. So that's kind of a""" start="00:07:24.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""running theme throughout Psearch is that It's made to be""" start="00:07:29.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""very flexible and very kind of like Lego block ish kind of""" start="00:07:32.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like you can just, you know, if you need, you know, if""" start="00:07:36.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something doesn't meet your needs, you know, it's easy to""" start="00:07:39.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""put pieces in, create new, new, new components of the search""" start="00:07:41.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""engine. Let's see, the cool powerful grab rack to maybe have""" start="00:07:45.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some good ideas. I have searches record code while""" start="00:07:51.800" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""searching. Okay. So. Okay, that's interesting. I'll have""" start="00:07:58.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to look into this""" start="00:08:04.040" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tool. I haven't seen that. I do kind of keep my eyes out for""" start="00:08:05.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these kind of things. One thing I have seen that was kind of""" start="00:08:15.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that, I mean, looked interesting was kind of like AST, like""" start="00:08:18.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the TreeSitter, the TreeSitter grep tools. But like, you""" start="00:08:24.440" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can grep for a string in the language itself. So that's""" start="00:08:29.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something I think would be cool to implement either,""" start="00:08:35.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because I mean, there's TreeSitter in Emacs, so it's""" start="00:08:37.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""possible to do a new list. If not, there are those kind of like""" start="00:08:41.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""TreeSitter So that's, that's something that I think would""" start="00:08:44.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be cool to incorporate.""" start="00:08:47.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let's see. Have you thought about integrating results from""" start="00:08:50.720" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using cosine similarity with a deep learning based vector""" start="00:08:58.280" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""embedding? Yeah, exactly. So yeah, this kind of goes back to""" start="00:09:01.000" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the topic before it. Definitely the whole semantic search""" start="00:09:06.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with vector embeddings, that's something that, I mean, it""" start="00:09:09.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be actually kind of trivial to implement that in""" start="00:09:12.680" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""psearch. But like I said, computing the cosine similarity""" start="00:09:15.480" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in elisp, it's probably too slow.""" start="00:09:20.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then also there's a whole question of how do you get the""" start="00:09:25.960" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""embeddings?""" start="00:09:30.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, how do you get the system running locally on your""" start="00:09:34.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine if you want to run it that or, I mean, so that's""" start="00:09:36.920" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually another kind of aspect that I need to look into.""" start="00:09:41.240" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so let's see.""" start="00:09:48.880" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, next question. Let's see. I'm sorry to talk about my""" start="00:09:50.160" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cover. Is it possible to say bookmark searches or search""" start="00:10:06.320" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""templates so they can be used again and again? Exactly. So""" start="00:10:09.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just recently I added bookmarking capabilities. So you can""" start="00:10:14.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""essentially just bookmark whatever search session you""" start="00:10:18.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have. And yeah, and it's just, it was just a bookmark. You can""" start="00:10:21.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just open and just like reopen that, rerun that search from""" start="00:10:26.360" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you left off. So there's that. And then also, I tried to""" start="00:10:29.840" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set this up so that there is a one-to-one mapping of a Lisp""" start="00:10:36.120" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""object to the search session. So from every search session""" start="00:10:40.560" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you make, you should be able to get a, there's a command to do""" start="00:10:44.760" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this, to get a data representation of the search. So it would""" start="00:10:49.520" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just be like some plist. All you have to do is just take that""" start="00:10:55.200" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""plist, call this function psearch setup buffer with that""" start="00:11:00.080" video="qanda-p-search" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""data. 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