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diff --git a/2024/info/org-update-after.md b/2024/info/org-update-after.md index 7985b304..bf69babd 100644 --- a/2024/info/org-update-after.md +++ b/2024/info/org-update-after.md @@ -695,6 +695,428 @@ [[!template text="""we can continue discussing""" start="00:39:30.321" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""apart from what happens after this presentation.""" start="00:39:31.641" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="org-update-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""And I believe we are live. Okay. Hi again, Ihor. How are you""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing? Ready to answer questions, right? Yes. Ready to""" start="00:00:05.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answer questions and all this. I mean, ready for""" start="00:00:09.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything. It's not just a question, it's the maintenance""" start="00:00:13.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is now lying in front of you. So... Oh, that's not the end""" start="00:00:15.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of the day. I mean, it's a rare thing indeed, because you""" start="00:00:21.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might not be able to see it on BBB. I'm checking in, but we've""" start="00:00:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got Ihor, obviously, but we also have Bastien and also""" start="00:00:27.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Carsten in the room. So, we have three maintainers of Org""" start="00:00:30.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mode right there in the room to answer all your questions.""" start="00:00:34.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, it's a rare occasion that I invite all of you to seize the""" start="00:00:36.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""day on this. Ior, do you have anything maybe to say before we""" start="00:00:40.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""start moving into the questions? Well, I hope that I said""" start="00:00:44.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everything I wanted. Hello, Bastien. during the""" start="00:00:49.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation. Well, actually, I can say a lot more, like""" start="00:00:51.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""infinitely, because when I first recorded it, it was like""" start="00:00:55.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one hour. So yeah. I mean, you did a, I'll just let you know,""" start="00:01:01.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you did a fine job condensing everything in just 40 minutes.""" start="00:01:06.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So congratulations on this. Yeah, it's, yeah, usually one""" start="00:01:08.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minute per slide is the best way. Otherwise, it's something""" start="00:01:14.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's wrong with this presentation. Right, so just moving""" start="00:01:18.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the question, and by the way we've got 20 minutes, we""" start="00:01:22.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""might be able to chat a little more if Bastien wants to say""" start="00:01:25.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something as well and Carsten, you know, feel free to""" start="00:01:27.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""intervene at any point during the questions if you've got""" start="00:01:29.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything to contribute or our voice will just show the""" start="00:01:33.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""breeze later on. So the first question is relating to""" start="00:01:35.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something you said about 10 minutes 34 that might speak more""" start="00:01:37.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to you than to me. Is the track changes item about the org""" start="00:01:41.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""element parser Yes, the track changes is a new library that""" start="00:01:45.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helps to receive changes in buffers incrementally. So like""" start="00:01:51.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can, it has API where you can request what changes""" start="00:01:58.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happened in buffer since last request, chunk by chunk. And""" start="00:02:03.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in org mode, in org element parser, we do pretty much the same""" start="00:02:08.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing, but using timers. So this track changes library""" start="00:02:14.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should improve things, first, because it's a bit faster,""" start="00:02:19.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because we don't need to conjure every single change, and""" start="00:02:25.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""track changes can agglomerate changes into chunks much""" start="00:02:29.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more efficiently. And second, it's a built-in library, so""" start="00:02:32.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a good idea to use built-in library when there is such an""" start="00:02:36.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""option, instead of running out our own implementation.""" start="00:02:40.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Definitely. Moving on to the second question, although I'm""" start="00:02:45.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not sure it refers that much to what you can do. Could you""" start="00:02:49.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please keep ISC alive? And I prefer it to make matrix. I mean,""" start="00:02:52.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you did talk about ISC, right? But did we talk about phasing""" start="00:02:57.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it out? So I try to be live on IRC, but I use mobile client for""" start="00:03:03.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""IRC to keep connected. So I usually connected, I usually see""" start="00:03:08.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messages, except certain times when I don't have mobile""" start="00:03:13.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""internet. Right. Okay. That's why many people will tell""" start="00:03:15.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you, you need a bouncer and all this, but the IRC crowd is very""" start="00:03:19.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""loud. I just don't know a good bouncer. I don't have a good""" start="00:03:23.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""setup for a bouncer. Okay.""" start="00:03:33.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Personally, I use WeChat usually to stay connected to""" start="00:03:36.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""email. It's obviously a client for LSC, but it also allows""" start="00:03:41.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you to, you know, you can keep it as a bouncer, but it's not in""" start="00:03:44.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. It is. I don't have a computer that is running 24""" start="00:03:47.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hours, so. I mean, that's the thing. I do have a server to run""" start="00:03:54.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it off. All right, moving on to the third question. That is""" start="00:03:56.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is running 24 hours. Right. Okay. All right. Moving on""" start="00:04:02.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the third question. Is there any plan for adding support""" start="00:04:06.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for other modalities of note-like, handwritten, audio,""" start="00:04:09.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and et cetera? Would that be interesting to the community?""" start="00:04:11.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It will definitely be useful for me. I didn't. Okay. So this""" start="00:04:14.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is not the idea I hear frequently. So there's no plan for such""" start="00:04:20.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing. Modalities of notes like handwritten audio. I think""" start="00:04:25.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John kitchen did some handwritten note.""" start="00:04:29.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""John kitchen. Yeah. And for audio, I think as well. I. So""" start="00:04:34.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""basically you can use attachments, you can use images to""" start="00:04:46.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""paste you. I think john kitchen even use it to automatically""" start="00:04:49.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognize notes.""" start="00:04:54.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think the previous speaker was talking about a whisper to""" start="00:04:58.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""recognize voice. Right.""" start="00:05:05.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise there is no special workflow and I'm not even sure""" start="00:05:10.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we can do to support this workflow specifically.""" start="00:05:13.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, it definitely feels like Org Mode is a good format for""" start="00:05:16.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""textual stuff, and a lot of things are textual. I mean,""" start="00:05:22.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's the whole philosophy behind Emacs. But when it comes""" start="00:05:25.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to voice, it feels like it's... I think the person asking the""" start="00:05:29.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question probably needs to specify what they mean by voice.""" start="00:05:34.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is it just raw note-taking, as Blaine mentioned in a""" start="00:05:36.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""previous talk, or is it something else? Feel free to add up to""" start="00:05:40.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the question and we'll return to it later on.""" start="00:05:43.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is kind of related to drag and drop. I think you""" start="00:05:46.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would like to be able to have an audio file and drop it in and""" start="00:05:51.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have it translated to text. I think that would be an""" start="00:05:57.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting API to do this, right? So that you can integrate""" start="00:06:00.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it into something like drag and drop. I think I'm going to""" start="00:06:03.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk with supporters in since overnight. So we have, I""" start="00:06:07.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""believe what constant is alluring to is the fact that not""" start="00:06:12.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just pictures but imagine if you were bringing in an audio""" start="00:06:14.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""file maybe you could, I mean I'm not sure it would work with""" start="00:06:17.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whisper but. transcribing it in a way and inserting it as""" start="00:06:20.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text. Although I'm not sure how we would be able to do this,""" start="00:06:24.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's an interesting idea though. It can work if you write""" start="00:06:27.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some kind of automatic speech recognition. It's not really""" start="00:06:30.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a job for work. If you have some library that can transform""" start="00:06:35.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""audio to text or transform image to text in Elixir, then we""" start="00:06:39.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can happily use that library. Definitely, but I can tell you""" start="00:06:43.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Whisper is not something that works very quickly. We do""" start="00:06:47.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""use Whisper AI to transcribe some of the talks that we""" start="00:06:50.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""broadcast during EmacsConf, and I can tell you it takes a""" start="00:06:53.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fair while. If you have a video that lasts one minute, it's""" start="00:06:56.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""definitely going to take more than one minute to try to""" start="00:06:59.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""transcribe the video. We had to wait for a few years until it""" start="00:07:03.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""passed away. Probably, but it's good to have the ID now so""" start="00:07:09.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we are ready eventually to do this. There is the new""" start="00:07:12.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""asynchronous IP. It's called org-pending. It's work in""" start="00:07:17.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""progress. And that basically allows to defer inserting""" start="00:07:23.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text into our buffers until later. And while it's being""" start="00:07:29.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""worked on, it will basically highlight the place where it""" start="00:07:34.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""will be inserted. And you can click on it, see the progress,""" start="00:07:37.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and stuff like that. So this is for Babylon, but I imagine for""" start="00:07:43.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like voice recognition, it can also work.""" start="00:07:49.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, what I suggest we do, we're going to fill the two""" start="00:07:56.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions that we have now, and then it'd be nice if we could""" start="00:07:59.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hear a word from Bastien and from Carsten as well, because""" start="00:08:02.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's rare to have all of you three in a room, and it would be""" start="00:08:05.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nice maybe to chat a little bit about this. So quickly, with""" start="00:08:08.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the last two questions, with regards to IETF""" start="00:08:11.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""standardization, have you looked at cow voice org down?""" start="00:08:14.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So, of course, there was a discussion on the mailing list,""" start="00:08:17.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and there was a lot of pushback to this idea, especially to""" start="00:08:24.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simplify the syntax. So, in short, the conclusion from""" start="00:08:28.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there is we want the full syntax, we don't want to have things""" start="00:08:33.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like different versus fork mode. But for the syntax, we may""" start="00:08:37.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specify different like coverage. So for example, it's a""" start="00:08:43.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minimal, it has a minimal support so people can, there's""" start="00:08:49.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some parsers or apps can support just whatever curl calls""" start="00:08:53.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fork down like level zero or level one or whatever. But the""" start="00:08:59.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""key point is, when it goes to ITF, we want to have the full""" start="00:09:04.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax. We don't want to split it into pieces.""" start="00:09:10.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Makes a lot of sense. All right. And the last question we have""" start="00:09:13.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for now. About a year ago, we discussed switching new""" start="00:09:18.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documentation from techinfo to org. Do you still consider""" start="00:09:22.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this? definitely contributed to some of the ideas about""" start="00:09:26.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax. For example, the inline special blocks, I think""" start="00:09:30.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about them with this in mind, so that, so basically, one""" start="00:09:34.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clarity, we don't want to complicate our syntax, we don't""" start="00:09:41.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want to have special built-in support for variable, or I""" start="00:09:46.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know, function name, or all this kind of specific""" start="00:09:50.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""markup. But instead, the idea is to have some generic custom""" start="00:09:54.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax. And then when it goes to software manuals, we want""" start="00:10:00.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some like optional library that will provide certain""" start="00:10:06.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax extensions, like inline special block for""" start="00:10:09.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""variables, inline special block for acronym and stuff like""" start="00:10:12.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. Then people who want to use Org mode for manuals should""" start="00:10:15.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be able to use that new markup to achieve what they want.""" start="00:10:21.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's a distant idea. But the key point is we want to keep org""" start="00:10:26.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode as generic syntax. We don't want to specialize it for""" start="00:10:34.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software specifically. But generic in the sense that it can""" start="00:10:39.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be used for software as well.""" start="00:10:43.800" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, well thank you so much for your answer here and""" start="00:10:44.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was very enlightening but I'd first like to give the mic""" start="00:10:50.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to Bastien who might need to leave shortly and I just want to""" start="00:10:56.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""make sure that you get to chat a little bit Bastien because""" start="00:11:00.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a big thing we've had you as a maintainer for however""" start="00:11:03.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""long now? Well, officially, it was 14 years. But obviously,""" start="00:11:06.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EHO has been doing much of the groundwork as a de facto""" start="00:11:13.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainer for several years now, I believe for three or""" start="00:11:18.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""four years. And before Before IHO, there was Nicolas Goaziou,""" start="00:11:20.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who's doing a lot of work. Also Kyle Meyer, who is still""" start="00:11:28.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""active, backporting Emacs changes. So""" start="00:11:33.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's a relief that we can do things properly, that I didn't""" start="00:11:40.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""give up before someone could really step up. I'm glad we're""" start="00:11:46.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""doing this. And I'm glad there was so much help during the""" start="00:11:51.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""time when I was not available enough. Well, thank you,""" start="00:11:57.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bastien. I think on behalf of the community, I think I'd like""" start="00:12:01.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to extend a big thank you for all the work you've done""" start="00:12:05.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""throughout those 14 years. 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And I agree that the""" start="00:23:51.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""simple things should keep being simple. And I like the""" start="00:24:00.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""custom syntax idea of Juan because it goes in the direction""" start="00:24:06.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of flexibility while keeping things simple.""" start="00:24:10.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And looking forward to what people will come up with. I like""" start="00:24:13.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the idea that you want to formalize the syntax. I think that""" start="00:24:17.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is really very good. I'd like to also submit it. I think that""" start="00:24:22.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would be excellent. I'm also... I think it was proposed by""" start="00:24:27.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Timothy, yeah. Initially. Okay. Yeah, that's really""" start="00:24:31.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""helpful. Pascal, are you still talking, I think? No, yeah, I""" start="00:24:37.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just wanted to say also for the younger Emacs users, there is""" start="00:24:42.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot of new things in Emacs the last five years. It has been so""" start="00:24:46.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""exciting. And I believe it's exciting for Org Mode too, the""" start="00:24:51.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things you mentioned about track changes. uh native""" start="00:24:56.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""compilation and all that stuff that that's really good like""" start="00:25:00.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some some performance problems that we had for org mode for""" start="00:25:05.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the agenda and stuff like that were suddenly solved by uh the""" start="00:25:08.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the crazy amazing work by ellie and emacs maintainers so""" start="00:25:11.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's really exciting for org as well i don't know how you feel""" start="00:25:16.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Igor about this, but I know you are reading the Emacs""" start="00:25:30.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""development mailing list and keeping this is a job in""" start="00:25:36.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""itself, but it's really exciting for everyone, I guess. Not""" start="00:25:41.560" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only that, I hope we can upstream org-ql, which will speed up""" start="00:25:45.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agenda specifically even more.""" start="00:25:54.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I need to fly away, but it was really nice connecting""" start="00:25:56.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I hope everyone has a great conference. Bye-bye. It was""" start="00:26:03.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so good to see you. Thank you again for everything that you""" start="00:26:12.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have done. Thanks to you both. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.""" start="00:26:14.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +<div class="transcript-heading">[[!template new="1" text="""Off-stream Q&A""" start="00:26:22.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]]</div>[[!template text="""All right. Is it only the two of us now? I don't really know who""" start="00:26:22.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""else. Can you see if there's anybody else in this room? I""" start="00:26:27.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know. There are like two, four, six people and Sacha is""" start="00:26:31.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""one of them, so probably five people. Oh, Sasha is here.""" start="00:26:35.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay. I haven't heard her say anything, but I see her in the""" start="00:26:38.120" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chat. Okay. It's the same room, basically. Hi, Sacha. Oh,""" start="00:26:41.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay. They're also at her pad, so we may want to finish other""" start="00:26:45.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, maybe, if there are some. This is just a circle.""" start="00:26:48.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is just a historical question, but Carsten, I think you""" start="00:26:51.920" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""used microemacs back in the day. Did that have any influence""" start="00:26:56.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on ORG? That is a really interesting question. I used""" start="00:27:00.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""microemacs as my first version of emacs, and then I stepped""" start="00:27:04.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over to emacs. I actually did two things at the same time. I""" start="00:27:09.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also was working with so AWK basically, that language. I ran""" start="00:27:20.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""against Walt with both Micro-Emacs and with AWK, where I had""" start="00:27:27.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the feeling I don't have enough freedom to do everything""" start="00:27:34.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I wanted, so I switched to Perl on one side and to Emacs on""" start="00:27:37.880" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the other side. That's what it was. Micro-Emacs absolutely""" start="00:27:42.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""had the function to pull me into Emacs, But it's not that I""" start="00:27:45.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have specific microemacs features that would have""" start="00:27:49.520" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""triggered me to do something for OSMOS. I think that would be""" start="00:27:51.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the answer to your question. All right, thanks.""" start="00:27:55.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Are you a user of microemacs, George? I posted the source to""" start="00:27:58.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CompSource's Amiga in 86, and I was somewhat responsible""" start="00:28:01.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for it being in the wild. Oh, I'm so sorry that I didn't,""" start="00:28:04.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't really aware that I made the connection to your name.""" start="00:28:07.760" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""No, no, no, no. We all moved on and the world is a better place.""" start="00:28:11.480" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah. No, I actually did use it for something like, I think""" start="00:28:19.960" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""six years as my only admin at the time before I made the""" start="00:28:25.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""switch. 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Yeah, you're most welcome.""" start="00:29:19.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For microemacs, actually, I also tried it once. It feels""" start="00:29:21.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like at home after a max, of course, the major downside was at""" start="00:29:27.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this point is that there is no ETF support. I think that was""" start="00:29:31.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, unfortunately, that that's not going to work. I""" start="00:29:35.000" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think I'm also going to disconnect now. But it was really""" start="00:29:36.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fantastic to listen to your talk. I wish you all the best. I'm""" start="00:29:39.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure that is a good answer. Thank you for joining, and nice to""" start="00:29:43.080" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""meet you. Yeah, bye. Bye.""" start="00:29:45.320" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Okay, so there are still people in the room, so if you want to""" start="00:29:47.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ask questions, feel free to do it. I""" start="00:29:51.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think there's one unanswered question in the etherpad""" start="00:29:55.360" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""also. Let me see.""" start="00:29:56.640" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's probably awkward to answer. Okay, I can answer and then""" start="00:29:58.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""probably answering the answer for this one. So there's a""" start="00:30:03.240" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question about, from a person, I spent some time writing a""" start="00:30:10.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""library for myself, which involved working with Orc files.""" start="00:30:11.720" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One thing I struggled with was finding a good source of""" start="00:30:17.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""reference code which demonstrated idiomatic usage.""" start="00:30:20.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly well-written code bases for review by""" start="00:30:23.600" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""others? That's a good question. We have some wiki pages.""" start="00:30:31.680" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll put it in the answer later. You can also check Org Mode's""" start="00:30:32.840" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code, but usually in org-element there are good usages, and""" start="00:30:34.280" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Org export.""" start="00:30:39.040" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, maybe something from Alphapapa, but I need to""" start="00:30:40.440" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check that and probably reply later.""" start="00:30:45.160" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Otherwise, that's all. So I'm going to end this.""" start="00:30:48.200" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Bye bye.""" start="00:30:52.400" video="qanda-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + </div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20org-update%3A%20The%20Future%20of%20Org) |