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diff --git a/2024/info/org-update-after.md b/2024/info/org-update-after.md index 59e79be9..d7e6d6a1 100644 --- a/2024/info/org-update-after.md +++ b/2024/info/org-update-after.md @@ -1,6 +1,757 @@ <!-- Automatically generated by emacsconf-publish-after-page --> +<a name="org-update-mainVideo-transcript"></a> +# Transcript + + +[[!template new="1" text="""Introduction""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. My name is Ihor Radchenko,""" start="00:00:00.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm the new official Org Mode maintainer.""" start="00:00:03.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Today, I'll briefly introduce myself""" start="00:00:07.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then share my ideas about the future of""" start="00:00:09.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode development. I will start by passing""" start="00:00:12.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the word from Bastien, the previous maintainer.""" start="00:00:16.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will tell you a little bit about my story,""" start="00:00:18.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""starting from ordinary Org Mode user""" start="00:00:22.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the way to the maintainer.""" start="00:00:24.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I will detail the new directions of development""" start="00:00:26.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and specific features which I want to see""" start="00:00:30.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Org Mode in the coming years.""" start="00:00:33.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I will conclude by asking you, Org Mode users,""" start="00:00:35.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to contribute to Org Mode""" start="00:00:39.660" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because all the features which are too many""" start="00:00:42.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can only be implemented with the help of the community,""" start="00:00:46.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with the help of more contributors.""" start="00:00:49.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for that, of course, I will also talk""" start="00:00:51.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Org community and how I see it evolve""" start="00:00:53.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we have a good communication""" start="00:00:59.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between the development of Org Mode""" start="00:01:01.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the community ideas.""" start="00:01:03.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Let me first pass the word to Bastien.""" start="00:01:07.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Message from Bastien Guerry""" start="00:01:14.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Hello, everyone. Ihor Radchenko is the new Org Mode""" start="00:01:14.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainer.""" start="00:01:17.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""He's been acting as such for a couple of years now,""" start="00:01:18.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm really glad he's finally agreed to take on the""" start="00:01:21.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""role officially. As a maintainer, I've probably done""" start="00:01:23.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a few things right and certainly made many mistakes.""" start="00:01:26.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here are 4 lessons I've learned in 14 years.""" start="00:01:29.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The first is that maintaining Org Mode""" start="00:01:32.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""isn't just about code, it's mostly""" start="00:01:34.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about users. Of course, some of them will never learn how to""" start="00:01:36.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""report a bug, some of them will behave like spoiled""" start="00:01:40.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""children, and most of them will expect you to work for free""" start="00:01:43.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forever. Nevertheless, the time is as valuable as yours.""" start="00:01:46.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Whatever they request, there is always something that can""" start="00:01:50.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lead to a positive outcome for Org Mode or its community.""" start="00:01:53.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The second lesson is that maintenance isn't just about""" start="00:01:57.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""technical choices. It's also about predictability.""" start="00:02:00.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Be very clear and very loud about what users and contributors""" start="00:02:04.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can expect of your time, skills, and motivations.""" start="00:02:07.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Stick to the robustness principle""" start="00:02:11.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by being liberal in what you accept""" start="00:02:12.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and strict in what you produce. Thirdly, it's all""" start="00:02:15.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about learning. Let's build a culture together where it's""" start="00:02:19.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""okay to ask stupid questions. No one is born knowing how to""" start="00:02:22.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""write in English, how to report a bug, or how to maintain a""" start="00:02:25.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""large piece of code. Remember that old-timers were newbies""" start="00:02:28.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that newbies could become maintainers. We all have a lot""" start="00:02:32.060" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to learn, even if it's just how to respect each other.""" start="00:02:35.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Finally, as a maintainer, think about the next one. Who will""" start="00:02:38.760" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be in your shoes next? What kind of maintainer do you want for""" start="00:02:42.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a software you will be using for decades? It's also a""" start="00:02:45.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""responsibility of the Org Mode community. How can we""" start="00:02:48.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collectively attract maintainers that want to help us use""" start="00:02:52.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and enhance this wonderful little tool? How can we,""" start="00:02:56.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as Org Mode users, help Ihor pave the way""" start="00:02:59.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the next maintainers?""" start="00:03:02.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enough said. I'm confident Org Mode is in good hands and I'm a very""" start="00:03:04.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happy user. Thanks everyone for all these years of fun and""" start="00:03:08.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""learning.""" start="00:03:11.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""My step-by-step journey to Org maintenance""" start="00:03:15.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Now back to my talk. Let me start by briefly introducing""" start="00:03:15.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""myself. I'm actually not a programmer. By training, I'm a""" start="00:03:20.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""material scientist. and I only started using Emacs and""" start="00:03:23.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode and naturally doing programming (because that's""" start="00:03:27.520" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs) when I was doing my PhD and I wanted to use Org Mode to""" start="00:03:30.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tame my research work. A couple of years I was just an""" start="00:03:36.800" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ordinary user, until I learned enough and""" start="00:03:40.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""got enough courage to report my first bug.""" start="00:03:44.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then it all evolved over the years.""" start="00:03:48.464" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started participating in the mailing list,""" start="00:03:51.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I started learning more about Elisp,""" start="00:03:53.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I reported more complex bugs,""" start="00:03:56.560" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I eventually got around to go and fix the tricky bugs.""" start="00:03:59.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then I started participating more in Org mailing list""" start="00:04:08.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in helping fixing bugs in selected areas of Org""" start="00:04:11.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mode and eventually switching to all parts of Org.""" start="00:04:16.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At some point I ended up doing the de facto maintenance job""" start="00:04:22.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together with Bastien and got an actual maintenance offer""" start="00:04:27.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I accepted recently. The key takeaway I want you to get""" start="00:04:32.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""from here is that you don't have to be a programmer, you don't""" start="00:04:38.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to know Elisp to contribute, and you don't even have to""" start="00:04:41.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be like that to become a maintainer. All it takes is""" start="00:04:47.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""slow, methodical, persistent learning over the years,""" start="00:04:51.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""participating in the community, and eventually""" start="00:04:55.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""submitting your patches upstream. And eventually you can""" start="00:04:58.500" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""become a maintainer, or not a maintainer as you wish.""" start="00:05:02.400" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enough about me.""" start="00:05:07.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Priorities for Org maintenance""" start="00:05:09.241" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""Let's talk about what I think should happen with""" start="00:05:09.241" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode and what my goals on Org Mode is. The first and top""" start="00:05:13.360" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""priority for me is the basics. The basics, the""" start="00:05:18.860" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""code-based stability.""" start="00:05:25.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basically, all the foundations, all the APIs in""" start="00:05:26.070" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Org Mode, all the basic libraries, which everything builds""" start="00:05:29.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""upon so that we have fewer bugs and we have more""" start="00:05:34.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understandable code so that others who want to contribute""" start="00:05:39.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have easier time understanding""" start="00:05:42.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is going on in the code base and""" start="00:05:44.652" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contribute without much of a problem or confusion.""" start="00:05:46.372" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Second equally important direction is the Org community,""" start="00:05:52.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because a single person, even a couple of people, cannot""" start="00:05:56.340" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really develop such a big project as Org Mode. And we always""" start="00:06:00.580" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""want new contributors, which are not coming from nowhere.""" start="00:06:05.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We need to have the community of users.""" start="00:06:08.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have a community of""" start="00:06:10.229" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people who participate in discussions, who later submit""" start="00:06:12.200" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""patches and code, and that's where we get most of the new""" start="00:06:15.680" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""features. So I would like to improve the communication""" start="00:06:19.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""between Org community and the development. The third""" start="00:06:24.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""direction I want to pursue is making life easier for""" start="00:06:29.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""third-party packages. Because we don't only have org-mode""" start="00:06:34.260" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as it's distributed with Emacs. We have a lot of""" start="00:06:38.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ELPA packages. We have a lot of MELPA packages.""" start="00:06:41.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""People who want some specific features""" start="00:06:45.197" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on top of org-mode do develop""" start="00:06:47.918" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these packages which are widely used or not so widely used.""" start="00:06:49.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not only about Emacs. We have a lot of mobile apps""" start="00:06:54.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that can work with Org files, have a lot of parsers which""" start="00:06:57.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enable this mobile apps, or in general, programs outside""" start="00:07:01.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elisp to understand Org files.""" start="00:07:06.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Fourth direction is the Org markup as a foundation of""" start="00:07:11.020" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode as a major mode, because we have a lot of""" start="00:07:14.960" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""functionality in org-mode itself inside Emacs,""" start="00:07:18.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's all based on the underlying markup,""" start="00:07:20.574" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and markup should have enough features""" start="00:07:23.675" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to support the functions we want to see there.""" start="00:07:27.436" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Last direction, which is somewhat less""" start="00:07:32.480" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""important, mostly because I don't have""" start="00:07:34.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that much time to focus on everything,""" start="00:07:37.835" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is the new features. I do want to see""" start="00:07:40.137" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""certain important features in Org mode,""" start="00:07:44.160" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I usually cannot spend too much time on them""" start="00:07:46.841" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because of the previous more important parts.""" start="00:07:50.263" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I do rely on the org community and""" start="00:07:53.085" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the contributors to implement these new features.""" start="00:07:55.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""My idea is that I want to direct which features""" start="00:07:57.457" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how they should be implemented,""" start="00:08:01.916" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the actual people who implement""" start="00:08:03.758" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them should come from the community.""" start="00:08:05.300" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now let's go into the details.""" start="00:08:09.464" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Modular Org""" start="00:08:11.767" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The code base. As a bit of motivation, I would like""" start="00:08:11.767" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share this email from Richard Stallman, who a couple of""" start="00:08:15.720" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""years ago asked about improving Org mode by making it""" start="00:08:19.280" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more modular. That's directly asking about improving the""" start="00:08:27.040" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""foundations of the code. That's what I think is""" start="00:08:32.840" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""an important direction as well. Here's an example.""" start="00:08:35.640" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Slim down large Org libraries""" start="00:08:41.590" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We have a lot of really, really large org libraries,""" start="00:08:41.590" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like org.el, which is like one megabyte or something large,""" start="00:08:45.313" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-agenda, org-table, org-list,""" start="00:08:49.377" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a number of files which are really,""" start="00:08:51.559" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really, really large. What is worse is they are hard to""" start="00:08:52.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""understand sometimes. I even have an example,""" start="00:08:56.600" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""alphapapa complained that part of his motivation""" start="00:09:00.907" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to write org-ql and specifically his agenda part,""" start="00:09:04.506" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""agenda-like part, was""" start="00:09:07.868" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because org-agenda is so hard to understand that it's""" start="00:09:08.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easier to start from scratch.""" start="00:09:13.120" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't want such situations""" start="00:09:15.573" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to happen in future, if possible at all.""" start="00:09:17.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""One of the projects""" start="00:09:20.375" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm currently working on,""" start="00:09:21.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's work in progress now,""" start="00:09:23.117" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""is splitting Org libraries into smaller parts,""" start="00:09:25.101" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into more documented parts,""" start="00:09:28.438" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into the APIs which are actually""" start="00:09:31.809" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documented and explained in the code at least,""" start="00:09:34.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that people who just open org-mode code""" start="00:09:38.471" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cannot be scared away and go and""" start="00:09:42.572" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read the comments and understand what is happening there""" start="00:09:45.240" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""easier. At this point, I have almost doubled the number of""" start="00:09:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""libraries. 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I just know too many things.""" start="00:38:11.227" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can assume that people know too much,""" start="00:38:13.728" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that new users have no idea about certain things.""" start="00:38:16.810" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can just omit those without being aware.""" start="00:38:20.912" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Got no free time, but still want to help?""" start="00:38:30.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""The final slide I would go to come back is about""" start="00:38:30.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""donations. Again, most important is contributing code,""" start="00:38:33.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I do hope that donations can""" start="00:38:37.920" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""increase the number of contributors.""" start="00:38:42.880" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know. I know for sure because some""" start="00:38:45.446" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people like Timothy, who is participating in this, he did""" start="00:38:48.000" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""find the donations helpful, especially for more boring""" start="00:38:52.440" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tasks like bug fixing and to move things""" start="00:38:55.320" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""over the long time. If you cannot contribute by other means,""" start="00:39:00.080" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be appreciated to contribute money.""" start="00:39:07.836" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template new="1" text="""Thank you""" start="00:39:12.997" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + +[[!template text="""We came to the end of my talk.""" start="00:39:12.997" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you for your attention.""" start="00:39:14.818" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.""" start="00:39:16.278" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think we can even discuss further""" start="00:39:19.699" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""during the next Org Meetup in the coming week.""" start="00:39:22.899" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There, if you have more detailed questions,""" start="00:39:28.181" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we can continue discussing""" start="00:39:30.321" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""apart from what happens after this presentation.""" start="00:39:31.641" video="mainVideo-org-update" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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