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diff --git a/2024/info/julia-after.md b/2024/info/julia-after.md index 1e87ff7d..283ecd20 100644 --- a/2024/info/julia-after.md +++ b/2024/info/julia-after.md @@ -209,6 +209,118 @@ [[!template text="""So, with all of this, I want to thank you""" start="00:09:10.040" video="mainVideo-julia" id="subtitle"]] [[!template text="""for your attention, enjoy Emacs, and enjoy Julia.""" start="00:09:13.000" video="mainVideo-julia" id="subtitle"]] +</div><div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="julia-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1> + +[[!template text="""answer to that. I, I think the infrastructure for an""" start="00:00:00.089" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ecosystem in Julia in general is as mature as other""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""languages, and even debugger infiltrator themselves are""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not particularly well developed. And so I don't think""" start="00:00:01.509" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's much we can do about that right now. I think that It's""" start="00:00:15.853" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""unfortunate that most of the development for these type of""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tools is tightly linked to VS code. But even there, I don't""" start="00:00:21.570" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think that there's much done in terms of interactive""" start="00:00:29.218" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging. So I, yeah, I think this has to be worked on mostly""" start="00:00:29.218" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the Julia side first. And then probably Emacs can get""" start="00:00:36.866" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""something out of that. I know that there's development in""" start="00:00:43.820" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugger.jl itself for future releases to make it at least""" start="00:00:49.183" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""faster and more stable. But yeah, I think we're not there as""" start="00:00:49.183" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia community itself. So let alone Emacs, integration""" start="00:00:58.809" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with Emacs. The way I personally debug is mostly using,""" start="00:01:04.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, debugger and infiltrator with Julia REPL mode in""" start="00:01:08.286" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs. The second question, can you call out something that""" start="00:01:08.286" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia has that Emacs does not and which could benefit Emacs?""" start="00:01:18.009" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nothing stands out to me except the usual multi-threading""" start="00:01:26.852" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and things like this. I don't necessarily see something""" start="00:01:28.848" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Julia has going on that DMX doesn't have, but I see some""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""differences and approaches that I think are important,""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the community. I think Julia is a very active and tight""" start="00:01:33.432" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community. Julia uses Slack and is very, very active. I""" start="00:01:47.384" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think he might say something like that, but it's maybe more""" start="00:01:54.093" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on Reddit, IRC. JuliaCon is big and brings together lots and""" start="00:01:54.093" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lots of people. And I think the sense of community is really""" start="00:01:59.078" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful. It's very easy to essentially meet people that""" start="00:02:03.221" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are interested in what we're building and interested in""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we're doing and interested in Julian, our, you know,""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hacker spirit. I think Emacs is a very strong community.""" start="00:02:06.364" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We're here on a Saturday talking about Emacs, which again""" start="00:02:21.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proves that we are doing this. But I'd like to emphasize that""" start="00:02:21.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the community is a really important aspect in Julia that I""" start="00:02:27.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think we should double down on our side. The next question is""" start="00:02:27.192" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about Lisp syntax with Julia, like what we can do in Python.""" start="00:02:36.797" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't think that's, I don't, I am not aware of any package""" start="00:02:48.038" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that does that. I would bet that there's something there. I""" start="00:02:48.038" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""think that that's possible. Indeed, there used to be a Lisp""" start="00:02:56.722" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interpreter in Julia itself until the latest release. The""" start="00:02:59.243" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""syntax parsing was done with a Lisp, it was called TemtoList""" start="00:03:07.647" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""indeed. I think this got rid, get rid of this for our more""" start="00:03:07.647" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia-based solution that is faster and with better code""" start="00:03:16.124" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""provenance. I think that it should be possible to use the""" start="00:03:16.124" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""metaprogramming features in Julia to change the structure""" start="00:03:25.430" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your syntax to be a Lispy syntax. I do want to emphasize""" start="00:03:25.430" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia is heavily inspired by Lisp, so I wouldn't be""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""surprised if if something like this were possible. I have""" start="00:03:36.238" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tried Julia Snail. So the next question is about Julia""" start="00:03:49.309" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Snail. I found Julia REPL to be a little bit easier to set up""" start="00:03:51.270" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and use. So I just settled on that. I should maybe revisit""" start="00:03:53.312" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. In particular, I use the Julia REPL with the vterm""" start="00:04:00.918" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""backend, which essentially makes a companion REPL to my""" start="00:04:03.720" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""scripts. And that works for me. I do think that the tooling""" start="00:04:03.720" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""uh, could be improved. I think there is definitely much room""" start="00:04:15.638" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I would like to see improvement in that area. Um, and, uh,""" start="00:04:17.399" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so we have, uh, okay. Data inspector for, for Julia Red Bull.""" start="00:04:22.940" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Uh, I, I don't think so. I don't, is there any data inspector""" start="00:04:32.043" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in for, for the Julia Red Bull that we can use in Emacs? I, I,""" start="00:04:34.804" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm not sure. I don't think so. I think the way I look at data is""" start="00:04:43.223" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""essentially ignoring AMX when encoded. It's just using the""" start="00:04:44.845" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""REPL. And again, with Julia REPL. So I'm not aware of any""" start="00:04:49.632" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specialized tool And again, maybe this is, again, a good""" start="00:04:53.899" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""moment to emphasize that tooling, the Julia community""" start="00:04:58.652" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""clusters around VS Code. And there is tools like the, pretty""" start="00:04:58.652" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""much all the work with VS Code, unfortunately. And while""" start="00:05:06.315" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there's a very, very decent Julia mode and Julia repo mode""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and Julia snail, there's definitely, definitely room for""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""improvement.""" start="00:05:12.578" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Next, we have a question about literate programming in""" start="00:05:24.443" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. I haven't done much of it with Oracle Babel or""" start="00:05:24.443" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything else. I haven't done much of it. I can say that Julia""" start="00:05:29.505" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has developed a new iteration of notebooks called Pluto.""" start="00:05:35.827" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Here I'm thinking about Jupyter notebooks. The Pluto""" start="00:05:46.090" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notebooks for Julia try to remove a bunch of the pain points""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that Jupyter notebooks have, meaning you cannot easily""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""commit them to Git or things like this.""" start="00:05:51.021" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I haven't used them, but I know some people are very fond of""" start="00:06:06.450" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them. And so I think that that's what some of the Julia""" start="00:06:06.450" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""community would use for notebooks. And I think they can""" start="00:06:09.872" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interact with Emacs with no problem. And that would be a form""" start="00:06:15.315" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of later programming. But if you can do it in Python, you can""" start="00:06:20.974" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""do it in Julia. I think there is no reason. And actually, you""" start="00:06:24.015" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can take advantage of all this just-in-time or""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just-out-of-time compilation by keeping the same""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""session. So I think it will be definitely a nice use case. So""" start="00:06:30.617" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these are the questions that I see here. I'm going to scroll""" start="00:06:44.681" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""through the comments and see if there's something that I""" start="00:06:48.561" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""should say about comments. I'm excited people want to learn""" start="00:06:48.561" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. I have to say that if I want to do GPU computing""" start="00:06:56.228" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nowadays, I find it much easier to do it with Julia than with""" start="00:06:58.990" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CUDA. So I encourage people to look into that. And I do,""" start="00:06:58.990" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""again, I would like to share what makes me excited about""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, about this being open, being collaborative, being""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""respectable with documentation is something that I find in""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Julia. So I think people that are excited about the same""" start="00:07:11.758" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""features will find a little bit of joy in working with Julia.""" start="00:07:27.367" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think I addressed what I have here. I don't know if there's""" start="00:07:38.214" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""anything else that I should add.""" start="00:07:40.189" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It took me a minute to unmute there. No, I think that was""" start="00:07:51.718" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""awesome. And thank you so much. I guess I thought it would""" start="00:07:54.060" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""collapse that shared area on BBB, my mistake, on the stream,""" start="00:07:56.822" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or I would have left it open. But in any case, no, I thought""" start="00:07:56.822" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that was great. You did a great job of responding to all the""" start="00:08:10.220" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions and comments. And thank you again so much for your""" start="00:08:13.083" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talk and getting us all excited to learn Julia. Thank you.""" start="00:08:16.306" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Enjoy EmacsConf. And again, thanks so much for attending,""" start="00:08:24.094" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for being EmacsConf. Thank you.""" start="00:08:25.335" video="qanda-julia" id="subtitle"]] + </div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20julia%3A%20Exploring%20shared%20philosophies%20in%20Julia%20and%20Emacs) |