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diff --git a/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--answers.vtt b/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--answers.vtt index 0142a879..7c2708d9 100644 --- a/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--answers.vtt +++ b/2024/captions/emacsconf-2024-gypsum--gypsum-my-clone-of-emacs-and-elisp-written-in-scheme--ramin-honary--answers.vtt @@ -1,725 +1,725 @@ WEBVTT -00:00.069 --> 00:01.850 -Troy Hinckley's project that I'm talking about. I was going +00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.999 +...Troy Hinckley's project that I'm talking about. I was going -00:02.350 --> 00:22.139 +00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.799 to mention this in my presentation, but it's possible, -00:02.350 --> 00:22.139 +00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:16.359 theoretically, that Troy Hinckley, his project could be -00:02.350 --> 00:22.139 +00:00:16.360 --> 00:00:18.559 used as a scheme of limitation that actually runs my own -00:02.350 --> 00:22.139 +00:00:18.560 --> 00:00:23.759 version of Emacs. And although, you know, This is -00:25.478 --> 00:29.380 +00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:30.719 completely theoretical, and I don't know how difficult -00:25.478 --> 00:29.380 +00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:34.079 that would be. But if Troy Hinckley implemented enough of -00:30.781 --> 00:47.029 +00:00:34.080 --> 00:00:39.879 the R7-RS standard in Rust, it would theoretically be -00:30.781 --> 00:47.029 +00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:46.719 possible to run the Gypsum editor in Troy Hinckley's own -00:30.781 --> 00:47.029 +00:00:46.720 --> 00:00:50.239 editor. I thought that was kind of interesting, and I -00:48.270 --> 00:53.833 +00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:59.119 thought it was worth mentioning, at least in the questions -00:48.270 --> 00:53.833 +00:00:59.120 --> 00:01:12.159 and answers. -01:12.179 --> 01:14.080 +00:01:12.160 --> 00:01:16.199 I also mentioned this in the presentation. I wanted to see -01:14.940 --> 01:22.364 +00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:20.119 Robin Templeton's project presentation, but -01:14.940 --> 01:22.364 +00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.399 unfortunately it's going to be at like four in the morning -01:14.940 --> 01:22.364 +00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.239 for me. So I'm going to try and watch that tomorrow, but -01:22.984 --> 01:31.428 +00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:29.559 that's also going to be a very interesting project to keep an -01:22.984 --> 01:31.428 +00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:34.039 eye on if you're interested in Scheme. That's the project -01:33.149 --> 01:38.051 +00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.519 where you've got the Guylain interpreter running inside of -01:33.149 --> 01:38.051 +00:01:37.520 --> 00:02:04.679 the Emacs process. It's dynamically linked as a library. -02:04.699 --> 02:06.748 +00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.759 I'm ready for questions from anybody. You can ask or you can -02:07.431 --> 02:09.079 +00:02:08.760 --> 00:02:32.079 type. It's up to you. -02:32.319 --> 02:34.521 +00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:37.319 Okay, let me check the etherpad. -02:37.304 --> 02:38.245 +00:02:37.320 --> 00:02:41.159 Let's see here. -02:41.208 --> 02:42.830 +00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:42.719 I'm not sure if I'm doing that right. -02:46.373 --> 02:47.554 +00:02:42.720 --> 00:02:54.199 Let me check one more time. Oh, there it goes. -02:54.221 --> 02:55.702 +00:02:54.200 --> 00:03:00.079 Let's see, so this is... -03:00.151 --> 03:02.072 +00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.239 I didn't know about that first bit of history. Oh, I've heard -03:02.332 --> 00:03:09.369 +00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.119 RMS say that Scheme Guile is just a nicer Lisp, but I didn't -03:02.332 --> 03:09.776 +00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.079 know there were concrete talks attempts to use Guile for -03:02.332 --> 03:09.776 +00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.319 Emacs that early. Let's see, that was from janneke. NOTE Q: I'm curious to know how the hell guile-emacs deals with all of the dynamically scoped modules out there. Is there any effort to automatically modularize and namespace stuff? -00:03:09.370 --> 00:03:19.241 +00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:17.439 I'm curious to know how the hell Guile Emacs deals with all the -03:14.318 --> 03:19.241 +00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:21.359 dynamically scoped modules out there. Is there any effort -03:20.181 --> 03:24.943 +00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:29.759 to automatically modularize and name? Let's see. -03:30.523 --> 03:35.806 +00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:40.919 That might be a better question for Robin Templeton. In my -03:36.727 --> 03:46.573 +00:03:40.920 --> 00:03:44.639 own project, -03:36.727 --> 03:46.573 +00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:49.399 there's no module system for Emacs Lisp. There is a module -03:46.693 --> 03:48.234 +00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:55.559 system for Scheme. And the Emacs Lisp interpreter runs in -03:49.695 --> 03:55.158 +00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:01.599 its own environment. the require system or whatever module -03:57.068 --> 04:11.736 +00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:06.359 system that Emacs has, once it's implemented, all of that -03:57.068 --> 04:11.736 +00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.759 would just happen inside of the Emacs Lisp environment, -03:57.068 --> 04:11.736 +00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:12.399 which is inside of the Scheme environment. And -04:12.437 --> 04:15.898 +00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:21.479 environments are objects in Scheme. -04:21.522 --> 04:24.103 +00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:26.399 I think a more difficult question is how to handle -04:26.420 --> 04:31.942 +00:04:26.400 --> 00:04:33.279 threading, and Scheme has very good threading built in, in -04:26.420 --> 04:31.942 +00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:34.839 Serphe-18[??]. -04:34.283 --> 04:48.028 +00:04:34.840 --> 00:04:43.399 But I don't think it will be easy to write Emacs Lisp form -04:34.283 --> 04:48.028 +00:04:43.400 --> 00:04:48.479 bindings to the Scheme multi-threading implementation. -04:48.548 --> 04:50.749 +00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.279 Emacs Lisp was just not cut out for that kind of thing. So I -04:51.710 --> 04:59.894 +00:04:52.280 --> 00:04:56.559 think each Emacs Lisp, you could, I suppose, have multiple -04:51.710 --> 04:59.894 +00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.039 threads each running their own Emacs Lisp environment. -05:01.375 --> 05:02.956 +00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.999 Scheme would make that very simple to do. -05:06.018 --> 05:16.744 +00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.759 And then there'd just be a question of how you would get those -05:06.018 --> 05:16.744 +00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:11.679 different interpreters to communicate with each other, -05:06.018 --> 05:16.744 +00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:16.279 perhaps using the same protocol that's used by the Emacs -05:06.018 --> 05:16.744 +00:05:16.280 --> 00:05:23.639 server. But I haven't thought that far ahead yet. NOTE Q: Would it be possible to support a GUI toolkit other than GTK? -05:23.646 --> 05:28.709 +00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:26.839 Would it be possible to support a GUI toolkit other than the -05:23.646 --> 05:28.709 +00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:31.319 GTK? Like, how is it still supports Lucid? Yes, this is -05:31.291 --> 05:33.232 +00:05:31.320 --> 00:05:36.999 absolutely a goal of the project. I'm trying to keep the back -05:33.873 --> 05:38.416 +00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.599 end separate as possible. The scheme has what you call -05:39.817 --> 05:42.478 +00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.239 parameters. And these are like global variables that are -05:43.199 --> 05:46.221 +00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:50.519 still somewhat thread safe. And every call to the GUI goes -05:47.484 --> 05:51.225 +00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:58.199 through a parameter. So the Emacs, the interpreter and the -05:52.125 --> 05:59.367 +00:05:58.200 --> 00:06:01.679 editor logic is all in one module. And then that module calls -05:59.987 --> 06:04.309 +00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.319 out into a separate GUI module. And then you can implement -06:04.989 --> 06:07.690 +00:06:06.320 --> 00:06:11.599 different GUI modules. So you could have one for GTK3, one -06:08.430 --> 06:13.171 +00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:16.879 for GTK4, if you want to write the extern C bindings around Qt -06:13.843 --> 06:20.725 +00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:21.199 or full tick, that would certainly be possible as well. It -06:21.185 --> 06:32.168 +00:06:21.200 --> 00:06:25.919 would be nice maybe to have an SDL implementation based -06:21.185 --> 06:32.168 +00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:30.999 maybe on Chikiti or some kind of immediate mode GUI, -06:21.185 --> 06:32.168 +00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:37.399 something like that. But definitely GTK3 through Guile GI -06:33.808 --> 06:38.750 +00:06:37.400 --> 00:06:41.319 is the reference implementation. Things start there. But -06:41.298 --> 06:43.959 +00:06:41.320 --> 00:06:43.999 I'm very interested in supporting other GUIs, yes. Let's -06:45.199 --> 00:06:45.256 +00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.039 see. NOTE Q: Do you plan to provide improvements to Elisp as a language, or is the focus on a compatibility layer to facilitate doing all new extensions, etc. in Scheme? -00:06:45.257 --> 00:06:45.879 +00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.759 Question, do you plan to provide improvements to ELisp -06:47.540 --> 06:56.342 +00:06:50.760 --> 00:06:54.519 as a language or focus on a compatibility layer to -06:47.540 --> 06:56.342 +00:06:54.520 --> 00:06:57.999 facilitate all new extensions in Scheme? Yeah, the second -06:57.142 --> 06:57.962 +00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:04.719 one. I want to move off to Scheme. I would like for this -07:03.384 --> 07:05.264 +00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.999 project to try and keep up to date with each new release of -07:05.666 --> 07:10.789 +00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.799 Emacs and Emacs Lisp. That's a difficult moving target to -07:11.850 --> 07:14.552 +00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:18.639 follow, I realize. But to the greatest extent possible, any -07:15.152 --> 07:23.397 +00:07:18.640 --> 00:07:25.239 new features to Emacs Lisp will be pulled in from GNU Emacs. -07:25.419 --> 07:29.041 +00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.599 If we happen to be able to implement something cool in -07:25.419 --> 07:29.041 +00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.639 Scheme, and be able to port it over to Emacs Lisp, then sure, -07:29.437 --> 07:36.543 +00:07:31.640 --> 00:07:35.799 it'd be nice to be able to upload or to submit that upstream to -07:29.437 --> 07:36.543 +00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:43.079 the GNU Emacs. But I think I would prefer to have new features -07:38.584 --> 07:43.708 +00:07:43.080 --> 00:07:47.799 written in Scheme. I would like this gypsum to be more of a -07:43.989 --> 07:52.075 +00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:51.479 Scheme app platform that just happens to be able to also run -07:43.989 --> 07:52.075 +00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.199 Emacs Lisp. That's how I see it. Of course, this will be a -07:54.577 --> 07:56.699 +00:07:56.200 --> 00:08:00.799 community project. I'm open to debate about that if anybody -07:58.809 --> 08:02.012 +00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.079 wants to convince me otherwise. -08:08.439 --> 08:11.683 +00:08:02.080 --> 00:08:11.759 Why is being able to interpret all of that EL a useful goal? -08:12.464 --> 08:14.626 +00:08:11.760 --> 00:08:15.519 Sure, there is a lot of code written in Elisp. Can we -08:15.206 --> 08:17.749 +00:08:15.520 --> 00:08:18.959 consider... Oh, it's still being written. Please go ahead -08:18.390 --> 08:19.491 +00:08:18.960 --> 00:08:19.439 and finish writing. NOTE Q: Can we consider a translator like utility to convert elisp to scheme, once guile-emacs becomes a reality? -08:29.673 --> 08:35.576 +00:08:19.440 --> 00:08:32.519 Can we consider a translator like utility to convert eLisp -08:29.673 --> 08:35.576 +00:08:32.520 --> 00:08:37.519 to Scheme once Guile-Emacs has become a reality? -08:36.716 --> 08:37.076 +00:08:37.520 --> 00:08:42.119 Certainly. For the time being, I just wanted to get the -08:38.717 --> 08:42.639 +00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:47.559 interpreter running. So the actual, the Guile-Emacs Lisp, -08:44.520 --> 08:58.666 +00:08:47.560 --> 00:08:51.919 the one that was written in 2011 that I didn't write, that -08:44.520 --> 08:58.666 +00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:57.599 actually does compile to, I think it's the tree -08:44.520 --> 08:58.666 +00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.239 intermediate representation It's one of the intermediate -08:59.076 --> 09:03.697 +00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.759 languages that Guile uses to compile Guile scheme itself. -09:04.817 --> 09:09.299 +00:09:03.760 --> 00:09:09.079 So the Emacs lisp that was written before actually does -09:04.817 --> 09:09.299 +00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.119 that. It actually compiles and makes use of the entire Guile -09:09.339 --> 09:20.761 +00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:17.479 compiler tool chain and actually produces like JIT -09:09.339 --> 09:20.761 +00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.719 compilable binaries, which is really cool. Like I said, -09:23.342 --> 09:25.943 +00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:27.519 that's the one that I had trouble getting to work properly. -09:29.209 --> 09:30.890 +00:09:27.520 --> 00:09:34.399 Maybe we can follow that architecture. I'm not sure how to do -09:33.052 --> 09:45.102 +00:09:34.400 --> 00:09:37.919 that, but I would like to be able to do some kind of -09:33.052 --> 09:45.102 +00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:41.999 translating, keeping in mind that we want to have this be -09:33.052 --> 09:45.102 +00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:48.919 portable, do various schemes. And so Guile makes this very -09:45.988 --> 09:50.289 +00:09:48.920 --> 00:09:52.719 easy, but other schemes don't. Gambit might do this pretty -09:51.549 --> 09:53.530 +00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:57.919 well as well. It compiles to C and then compiles C down to a -09:53.950 --> 10:01.471 +00:09:57.920 --> 00:10:06.159 dynamically linkable library. So yeah, I think probably -10:03.372 --> 10:09.373 +00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:09.559 the most portable, I'm just thinking out loud right now, -10:10.652 --> 10:21.715 +00:10:09.560 --> 00:10:13.239 most portable implementation will just be able to -10:10.652 --> 10:21.715 +00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:17.119 translate Emacs Lisp directly to Scheme, which is not what -10:10.652 --> 10:21.715 +00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:22.439 the old Guile Emacs Lisp implementation does. That goes to -10:21.755 --> 10:26.777 +00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.439 TreeIL, so it's very, very Guile-specific, can't be -10:21.755 --> 10:26.777 +00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:30.799 ported. But yeah, if we could somehow get Emacs Lisp -10:28.359 --> 10:42.045 +00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:36.999 translated to Scheme and then compiled, say, in Shea Scheme -10:28.359 --> 10:42.045 +00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.879 or Gambit or MIT Scheme or one of those other compilers, that -10:28.359 --> 10:42.045 +00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:44.919 would be very cool. And I would absolutely love to do that. -10:44.906 --> 10:49.948 +00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:49.279 And I would very quickly accept any code into the code base -10:44.906 --> 10:49.948 +00:10:49.280 --> 00:10:50.599 that would do that. NOTE Q: Why is being able to interpret all of \`init.el\` an useful goal? -10:54.390 --> 10:56.291 +00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:59.119 Oh, and to answer the question about init.el, -10:59.207 --> 11:17.215 +00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.839 It's just because people spend a lot of time on their configs -10:59.207 --> 11:17.215 +00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:06.959 and it would be nice if, you know, you're starting to use this -10:59.207 --> 11:17.215 +00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:14.079 new editor and want it to be similar to Emacs users, just the -10:59.207 --> 11:17.215 +00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.519 Emacs community in general and people who are familiar with -10:59.207 --> 11:17.215 +00:11:16.520 --> 00:11:20.879 using Emacs. It would be more useful to everybody in the -11:17.715 --> 11:25.379 +00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:25.119 Emacs community if this were more compatible with GNU -11:17.715 --> 11:25.379 +00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:35.999 Emacs. And so that's why that's, I think that's an important -11:25.679 --> 11:27.960 +00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.559 goal. -11:34.465 --> 11:35.467 +00:11:38.560 --> 00:12:01.839 Question is not yet. Great. Oh, here comes another -11:38.471 --> 11:39.613 +00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:02.279 question. NOTE Q: What is the plan to handle elisp packages that depend on 3rd party/external libraries? (libgit/magit or rg/ripgrep)? -12:08.539 --> 12:17.742 +00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:11.879 Okay, what is the plan to handle elisp packages that depend -12:08.539 --> 12:17.742 +00:12:11.880 --> 00:12:16.119 on third-party or external libraries like git or magit -12:08.539 --> 12:17.742 +00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:22.719 or ripgrep? So that's going to be tricky. It depends on how -12:21.523 --> 12:26.224 +00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:27.079 these external packages are linked into emacs. If it's -12:26.844 --> 12:33.646 +00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:32.879 going to be a dynamic library like Robin Templeton's -12:26.844 --> 12:33.646 +00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:38.039 project which you load the libgit library into the Emacs -12:35.289 --> 12:41.931 +00:12:38.040 --> 00:12:43.159 process, that is going to be extremely difficult. So if you -12:44.032 --> 12:52.975 +00:12:43.160 --> 00:12:49.359 have an external library like, I don't know, libgit or -12:44.032 --> 12:52.975 +00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:59.279 what's the GUI thing? Cabal. No, not Cabal. Cairo, libcairo -12:57.736 --> 13:01.398 +00:12:59.280 --> 00:13:01.439 to do SVG graphics and so on. -13:04.483 --> 13:17.480 +00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:09.719 You can do that very easily with Guile, but then on top of -13:04.483 --> 13:17.480 +00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:14.719 that, implementing Emacs list bindings to it, I mean, -13:04.483 --> 13:17.480 +00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.199 you've got two layers there, and that makes things pretty -13:04.483 --> 13:17.480 +00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:23.119 difficult. So it's possible. And to some degree, maybe -13:21.935 --> 13:30.842 +00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.799 necessary for example, Cairo, if we want to do SVG graphics -13:21.935 --> 13:30.842 +00:13:27.800 --> 00:13:30.599 the way that Emacs Lisp does, we're going to have to have -13:21.935 --> 13:30.842 +00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.959 that. So that would be necessary. We would have to have those -13:32.643 --> 13:33.944 +00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:39.199 two layers. Yes, let's do that. But if it's like for Magit, -13:38.047 --> 13:50.596 +00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:45.479 you can just call out to your git process, and then you're -13:38.047 --> 13:50.596 +00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:50.719 just using the regular process APIs that Emacs Lisp has. And -13:51.451 --> 13:58.475 +00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:57.119 that can be, already we, like Guile has some very good -13:51.451 --> 13:58.475 +00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:08.079 implementations for process management. And so it would -13:59.055 --> 14:05.438 +00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:12.439 just be a matter of wrapping up those in the Emacs lisp form -13:59.055 --> 14:05.438 +00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:24.919 bindings. So yeah, dynamic libraries, I wanna try to avoid. -14:12.222 --> 14:20.366 +00:14:24.920 --> 00:14:32.799 And I would prefer to do things more through, you know, -14:12.222 --> 14:20.366 +00:14:32.800 --> 00:14:40.399 launching a child process in the Emacs process. and then -14:20.956 --> 14:24.798 +00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:47.239 communicating over the standard in, standard out -14:20.956 --> 14:24.798 +00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:47.959 channels. -14:29.460 --> 14:40.386 +00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:52.799 That's the easier way to do things, I think, because then you -14:29.460 --> 14:40.386 +00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:58.519 can just use the process library that Emacs already has, and -14:29.460 --> 14:40.386 +00:14:58.520 --> 00:15:03.239 you can just reuse all of that code. -14:43.969 --> 14:49.912 +00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:09.079 I'm not sure how ripgrep works, unfortunately, but I -14:43.969 --> 14:49.912 +00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:15.279 believe that's also a process, a child process. So, we can -14:50.412 --> 14:53.774 +00:15:15.280 --> 00:15:23.479 just reuse all of the Emacs Lisp code that does that already. -14:54.014 --> 15:05.979 +00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:30.399 We just need to make sure that the process management -14:54.014 --> 15:05.979 +00:15:30.400 --> 00:15:35.119 implementation and scheme is properly bound to Emacs Lisp, -14:54.014 --> 15:05.979 +00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:43.359 and it works the same as GNU Emacs does. Once that's all set, -15:06.360 --> 15:13.383 +00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:48.399 then these porcelains, like around git, should fall into -15:06.360 --> 15:13.383 +00:15:48.400 --> 00:15:55.279 place. without too much difficulty, hopefully. NOTE Q: Not really a question, but how about Schemacs as a name? -15:21.112 --> 15:22.593 +00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:59.199 How about Schemax as a name? I like the name. I like that name. -15:28.937 --> 15:32.920 +00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:03.119 I haven't really looked into like, is that already used or is -15:28.937 --> 15:32.920 +00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:09.759 that going to be confusing? But certainly something we can -15:33.380 --> 15:35.021 +00:16:09.760 --> 00:16:10.959 discuss. -15:38.243 --> 15:39.264 +00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.039 Another thing I should mention, -15:42.157 --> 15:48.278 +00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:18.759 I should probably set up a server or something like Discord -15:42.157 --> 15:48.278 +00:16:18.760 --> 00:16:25.359 or something like that. Discourse, not Discord. -15:51.619 --> 15:56.220 +00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:31.599 Discourse, the open source one, where we could actually -15:51.619 --> 15:56.220 +00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:49.239 chat about this stuff. For the time being, ActivityPub, -15:56.540 --> 16:05.562 +00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.399 mostly Mastodon, is how I communicate with people in real -15:56.540 --> 16:05.562 +00:16:52.400 --> 00:16:57.279 time, that or email. So if you want to get a hold of me, check -16:09.809 --> 16:15.571 +00:16:57.280 --> 00:17:02.439 the notes for this presentation and just send me an email. -16:16.752 --> 16:18.012 +00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:09.039 Any question at all is fine. If you want to contribute code, -16:19.633 --> 16:25.495 +00:17:09.040 --> 00:17:12.799 if you want to just learn how to contribute code, send me any -16:19.633 --> 16:25.495 +00:17:12.800 --> 00:17:22.199 questions. It's fine. I'm happy to answer them. And we can -16:30.256 --> 16:31.757 +00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.879 talk about the name as well. NOTE Q: Why is it not feasible for the Emacs layer that interprets Emacs Lisp (the core in C) ot have a Scheme interpreter, instead of using Guile? -16:45.931 --> 16:54.215 +00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.239 Okay, why is it not feasible for the Emacs layer that -16:45.931 --> 16:54.215 +00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.319 interprets Emacs Lisp, the core in C, have a Scheme -16:45.931 --> 16:54.215 +00:17:34.320 --> 00:17:39.799 interpreter instead of using Guile? Let's see, I have to, -16:55.496 --> 16:57.257 +00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:48.799 okay. Emacs layer interprets Emacs Lisp, the core in C, have -16:57.737 --> 17:05.942 +00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:54.079 a Scheme interpreter instead of using Guile. Okay, so that, -17:07.362 --> 17:13.906 +00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:59.959 the question xlarsx is asking, xlars, x, So Lars is asking, -17:14.744 --> 17:28.093 +00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.319 is it not feasible for there to be an -17:14.744 --> 17:28.093 +00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:06.839 Emacs layer that interprets Emacs Lisp have a scheme -17:14.744 --> 17:28.093 +00:18:06.840 --> 00:18:33.079 interpreter? This is Robin Templeton's project. And -17:30.815 --> 17:32.156 +00:18:33.080 --> 00:18:39.839 they're presenting later today. So check the roster and be -17:32.697 --> 17:41.303 +00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:45.199 sure to see that presentation because that's exactly what -17:32.697 --> 17:41.303 +00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:52.119 Robin Templeton is doing. That's not what I'm doing though. -17:44.419 --> 17:46.459 +00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:57.239 I'm trying to create something in Scheme. But yes, there is -17:48.280 --> 17:54.921 +00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.959 an attempt to get an Scheme interpreter to run inside of -17:48.280 --> 17:54.921 +00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.159 Emacs itself. And it has its own method of binding to Emacs -17:55.181 --> 18:05.323 +00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.199 Lisp functions and translating data like Lisp structures -17:55.181 --> 18:05.323 +00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.439 between Guile Scheme and Emacs Lisp. Robin will explain all -18:05.943 --> 18:08.284 +00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:15.799 of that in their presentation. -18:28.519 --> 18:33.020 +00:19:15.800 --> 00:19:18.919 OK, I think I've got through all the questions on Etherpad. -18:33.620 --> 18:35.500 +00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.879 But I'm going to hang out here for a bit longer. And yeah, feel -18:37.621 --> 18:46.182 +00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.239 free to do a video chat with me or send me more questions on -18:37.621 --> 18:46.182 +00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:33.839 Etherpad or here in the big blue button. And so I'm just going -18:47.002 --> 18:48.082 +00:19:33.840 --> 00:21:49.119 to hang out. And thanks for asking all your questions. And -18:51.663 --> 18:56.024 +00:21:49.120 --> 00:21:50.839 yeah, I look forward to working with all of you if you're -18:51.663 --> 18:56.024 +00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:51.799 interested. take it easy. Thanks so much for the talk and -18:59.935 --> 19:08.180 +00:21:51.800 --> 00:21:53.199 looking forward to seeing some of your progress as this -18:59.935 --> 19:08.180 +00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:54.359 moves forward, exciting space. We'll go ahead and leave the -19:09.261 --> 19:14.925 +00:21:54.360 --> 00:21:54.879 room open for you and thanks for offering to hang out and chat -19:09.261 --> 19:14.925 +00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.639 with other people that come by. Feel free to throw something -19:15.025 --> 19:18.287 +00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:56.719 in the chat if you want to remind people you're still here. -19:19.557 --> 19:25.143 +00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:57.919 Meanwhile, on the stream, we have moved along to our next -19:19.557 --> 19:25.143 +00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.599 talk on Rust, and that is just getting started. But again, -19:25.283 --> 19:30.549 +00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:00.479 we're continuing to record this, and I'll just keep an eye on -19:25.283 --> 19:30.549 +00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.239 it to stop the recording. Thank you. Thank you. It was -19:33.352 --> 19:33.853 +00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:01.559 awesome. -21:47.935 --> 21:50.558 +00:22:01.560 --> 00:22:03.959 So it seems like it's slowed down here for the Q&A. I don't see -21:50.638 --> 21:53.741 +00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.439 anybody else on BBB, so I'm going to go ahead and stop the -21:50.638 --> 21:53.741 +00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.479 recording. We can start it back up. I would say, yes, there's -21:55.282 --> 21:58.906 +00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:09.519 a lot of things you can do with this. You can handle -21:58.926 --> 22:00.627 +00:22:09.520 --> 00:22:11.239 processing. Yeah, I'm going to try and join over the chat for -22:02.029 --> 22:07.614 +00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.679 the next talk. I'm not sure if I can do both big blue buttons at -22:08.635 --> 22:11.538 +00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:15.759 the same time. You should be able to just watch your mute -22:13.206 --> 22:19.998 +00:22:15.760 --> 00:22:19.159 settings and mute tab settings and whatever all you have to -22:13.206 --> 22:19.998 +00:22:19.160 --> 00:23:37.800 avoid bleed through. Okay. |