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diff --git a/2023/info/llm-after.md b/2023/info/llm-after.md index 1348a2b3..5a020a0b 100644 --- a/2023/info/llm-after.md +++ b/2023/info/llm-after.md @@ -498,6 +498,646 @@ Captioner: bala +<a name="llm-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay. Hello, everyone.""" start="00:00:13.099" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think this is the start of the Q&A session.""" start="00:00:16.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So people can just ask me questions here.""" start="00:00:25.119" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Or I think maybe these questions are going to""" start="00:00:28.259" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be read by someone. Yes,""" start="00:00:30.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you. Should I start doing that?""" start="00:00:34.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I also know that there's questions in the""" start="00:00:39.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""either pad room, so I could start out""" start="00:00:41.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""answering those as well.""" start="00:00:42.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right, sure. Whichever way you prefer.""" start="00:00:45.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you prefer to read the questions yourself,""" start="00:00:46.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""by all means, or if you would prefer me to""" start="00:00:48.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""read them to you, that also works.""" start="00:00:50.080" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, I see.""" start="00:00:50.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Why don't you read them to me?""" start="00:00:51.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it'll just be more interesting then.""" start="00:00:53.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Sure. OK, let's see. The first question is,""" start="00:00:56.820" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what is your use case for embedding,""" start="00:00:58.360" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mainly for searching?""" start="00:01:00.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I mean, I think the use case really is""" start="00:01:06.180" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""searching. And I think it is very useful when""" start="00:01:12.100" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're searching for something in a vague""" start="00:01:15.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""way. Just to give you an example,""" start="00:01:18.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a note system called EKG.""" start="00:01:23.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I type all my notes on it.""" start="00:01:25.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can find it on GitHub and Melba.""" start="00:01:28.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But I wrote something at some point a year""" start="00:01:34.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ago or something. I wrote something that I""" start="00:01:35.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just vaguely remembered.""" start="00:01:36.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, this was about a certain kind of""" start="00:01:38.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""communication. I wanted communicating to""" start="00:01:41.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""large audiences. There's some interesting tip""" start="00:01:43.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I wrote down that was really cool.""" start="00:01:44.700" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I was like, well, I need to find it.""" start="00:01:49.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I did an embedding search for something""" start="00:01:52.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, you know, tips for communicating.""" start="00:01:55.479" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like those words may not have been in what I""" start="00:01:58.979" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""was trying to find at all,""" start="00:02:00.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But it was able to find it.""" start="00:02:02.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that is something that's very hard to do""" start="00:02:05.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in other ways. Like, you know,""" start="00:02:07.200" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you had to do this with normal search,""" start="00:02:08.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have to do synonyms.""" start="00:02:09.199" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And like maybe those synonyms wouldn't cover""" start="00:02:10.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it. Like with embedding,""" start="00:02:11.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can basically get at like the vague""" start="00:02:13.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sentiment. You're like,""" start="00:02:14.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, you're, you know,""" start="00:02:17.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you can really query on like what things are""" start="00:02:19.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about as opposed to what words they have.""" start="00:02:21.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Also, it's super good for similarity search.""" start="00:02:25.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you could say, look,""" start="00:02:27.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a bunch of things that are encoded""" start="00:02:30.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with embeddings that I want to show.""" start="00:02:31.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""For example, you can make an embedding for""" start="00:02:34.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""every buffer. 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And then it's able to be a little""" start="00:03:12.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bit more accurate because it has the actual""" start="00:03:14.340" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""text that you're trying to,""" start="00:03:15.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is relevant, and it can cite from and""" start="00:03:18.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""things like that. And then it could give you""" start="00:03:20.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a much better answer that's kind of,""" start="00:03:22.260" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, not just from its own little neural""" start="00:03:25.520" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""nets and memory.""" start="00:03:26.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Cool, thanks. Let's see,""" start="00:03:31.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next question. What do you think about embed""" start="00:03:35.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs manual versus GPT's Emacs manual?""" start="00:03:40.160" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I'm not exactly sure what this question is""" start="00:03:45.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""trying to say. 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I haven't tried it,""" start="00:04:36.700" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but this is a technique that works in other""" start="00:04:38.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""similar cases. So you can also imagine like,""" start="00:04:43.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""oh, this whole thing I said,""" start="00:04:44.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like, oh, you can query for vague things and""" start="00:04:47.860" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get parts of the manual,""" start="00:04:49.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""perhaps. I'm not exactly sure if that would""" start="00:04:52.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be useful, but maybe. Usually when I'm""" start="00:04:55.120" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking things up in the Emacs manual or""" start="00:04:57.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Elist manual, I have something extremely""" start="00:04:58.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""specific and I kind of know where to look.""" start="00:05:00.020" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But having other ways to get at this""" start="00:05:02.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information is always good.""" start="00:05:04.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Right. Looks like they added a clarification""" start="00:05:10.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you would like to read that yourself,""" start="00:05:12.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or would you like me to read it for you?""" start="00:05:14.180" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah. Yes, OK. It says,""" start="00:05:17.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I've never tried. 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Let's see. Next question.""" start="00:05:54.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When deferring commit messages to an LLM,""" start="00:05:56.380" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what, if anything, do you find you might have""" start="00:05:59.700" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: lost? 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It's kind of like,""" start="00:25:42.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yes, free software is great.""" start="00:25:43.840" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if free software is requiring that you""" start="00:25:46.880" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have these kind of beefy servers and have all""" start="00:25:50.460" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this hardware, that's not great.""" start="00:25:52.000" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's a case to be made.""" start="00:25:53.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: a hardware""" start="00:25:55.680" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: with slots instead of a laptop.""" start="00:25:59.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, yeah, that's right.""" start="00:26:01.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Ideally, you can have Ideally,""" start="00:26:03.660" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it would be nice if FSL for all things could""" start="00:26:07.400" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""run something for open source model.""" start="00:26:12.040" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And not free, but the key point is that it's""" start="00:26:16.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Libre?""" start="00:26:16.640" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yes, so actually I think Google does do that.""" start="00:26:22.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'll have to look it up,""" start="00:26:24.720" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't explored this yet.""" start="00:26:27.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But Google's server, which LLM does support,""" start="00:26:31.220" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""supports arbitrary models.""" start="00:26:33.800" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can run LLMA or things like that.""" start="00:26:36.420" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The problem is that even if you're running""" start="00:26:38.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mistral, which has no restrictions.""" start="00:26:40.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So this is the kind of thing that like the""" start="00:26:42.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Free Software Foundation cares a lot about.""" start="00:26:44.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Like you want it to be like no restrictions,""" start="00:26:47.240" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""legal restrictions on you as you run the""" start="00:26:49.740" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""model. 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There's gonna be some license that you""" start="00:27:02.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to, or something you have to abide by.""" start="00:27:04.760" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think, yes, it depends on how much you""" start="00:27:08.480" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""care about it, I guess.""" start="00:27:09.280" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I should find out more about that and make""" start="00:27:19.500" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sure that it's a good point that I should,""" start="00:27:21.580" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, people should be able to run free""" start="00:27:23.980" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""models over the server.""" start="00:27:25.920" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I should make sure we support that in the""" start="00:27:28.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""LLM package. 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Thank you everyone who listened.""" start="00:28:02.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm super happy like I,""" start="00:28:04.540" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the interest is great.""" start="00:28:06.560" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's great stuff to be done here""" start="00:28:08.900" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I'm kind of super excited what we're""" start="00:28:10.960" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""going to do in the next year,""" start="00:28:11.940" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so hopefully, like next year,""" start="00:28:13.140" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and the conference we have something even""" start="00:28:14.600" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""more exciting to say about LLM and how they""" start="00:28:16.440" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can be used with Emacs.""" start="00:28:17.320" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank""" start="00:28:19.620" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:28:30.060" video="qanda-llm" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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