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diff --git a/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md index a8bc3619..8c26acc8 100644 --- a/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md +++ b/2023/info/hyperdrive-after.md @@ -797,6 +797,541 @@ Captioner: bhavin192 +<a name="hyperdrive-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I guess we are now live.""" start="00:00:12.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So Joseph, thanks for being here.""" start="00:00:15.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks for talking to the hyperdrive.""" start="00:00:16.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We already had some, or we already have a lot""" start="00:00:22.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of questions here. And I guess I would start""" start="00:00:24.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with, let's call it the difficult,""" start="00:00:26.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the most difficult 1. So when you were""" start="00:00:29.119" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""developing hyperdrive for your colleague,""" start="00:00:30.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what do you, or what have you learned the""" start="00:00:34.760" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""most?""" start="00:00:34.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I have learned how much faster and more""" start="00:00:43.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""enjoyable the development of this project can""" start="00:00:46.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""be with talented people working by my side,""" start="00:00:51.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like Jonas and Adam and Prat and Mo,""" start="00:00:55.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's been really a pleasure to work with""" start="00:00:58.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these folks.""" start="00:00:58.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So you have started at first on your own and""" start="00:01:04.959" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then probably pushed it somewhere in open""" start="00:01:07.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""source or how did it develop,""" start="00:01:10.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your development experience?""" start="00:01:11.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: A few years ago, we started looking into""" start="00:01:15.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""using peer-to-peer technology for sharing all""" start="00:01:21.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""kinds of information. And we came across Move""" start="00:01:25.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""SignWeaver, who was recommended to us by a""" start="00:01:29.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mutual friend. And we started working with""" start="00:01:32.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Move, and then about a year ago,""" start="00:01:33.840" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we started looking into using Emacs,""" start="00:01:37.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the peer-to-peer software,""" start="00:01:40.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so that we could make use of all of the""" start="00:01:43.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""powerful things that Emacs already does with""" start="00:01:46.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org mode and other packages.""" start="00:01:47.780" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then we started working with Adam and""" start="00:01:51.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Pratt and Jonas.""" start="00:01:52.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Yes.""" start="00:01:54.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So we are skipping to the next question.""" start="00:01:59.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So to read it out, I use multiple computers""" start="00:02:03.700" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and my partner also would like access to my""" start="00:02:06.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""notes. So, 2 questions at first.""" start="00:02:08.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""First 1, how well would this work with using""" start="00:02:12.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this to edit my Zettelkasten hyperdrive using""" start="00:02:15.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multiple computers?""" start="00:02:15.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Hyperdrive is single writer currently.""" start="00:02:21.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So what that means is that if you have a""" start="00:02:24.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrive that you've created,""" start="00:02:25.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you're the only 1 who can make changes to it.""" start="00:02:28.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And that's limited right now to editing 1""" start="00:02:31.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrive from 1 machine.""" start="00:02:33.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In theory, you could use the same private key""" start="00:02:38.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and write to it from multiple machines,""" start="00:02:40.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you would have to make sure that you sync""" start="00:02:43.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it on both machines and didn't make""" start="00:02:46.300" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concurrent writes because then you would fork""" start="00:02:48.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the history of your hyperdrive,""" start="00:02:49.840" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and that would be bad.""" start="00:02:51.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But we've spent a lot of time making links to""" start="00:02:57.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrives work well,""" start="00:02:59.780" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""relative links within hyperdrives to other""" start="00:03:02.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files inside of your drive.""" start="00:03:03.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you should be able to,""" start="00:03:05.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with some exceptions, just take your personal""" start="00:03:10.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information management set of org files or""" start="00:03:13.360" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever it is that you have,""" start="00:03:14.760" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and upload them into a hyperdrive if all of""" start="00:03:18.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that is publicly available or would be good""" start="00:03:22.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to share publicly. And you can make that""" start="00:03:27.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available for other people to link to.""" start="00:03:28.940" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So you can have multiple different""" start="00:03:30.640" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrives that link to 1 another.""" start="00:03:32.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So it's like a huge network of hyperdrives""" start="00:03:35.600" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connected to each other in some way.""" start="00:03:38.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah.""" start="00:03:39.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So that's kind of neat and kind of cool.""" start="00:03:41.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There was a follow-up question or the second""" start="00:03:44.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of the question. Okay,""" start="00:03:46.780" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then using the same hyperdrive is probably""" start="00:03:48.860" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not possible, but interlinking would be the""" start="00:03:51.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""best way to do it. There was a question""" start="00:03:57.500" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concerning how they should install it.""" start="00:03:59.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So What would be a good way of getting""" start="00:04:01.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrives if you do not want to install npm""" start="00:04:03.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and have a binary? Could you compile it with""" start="00:04:06.460" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""denner or rusk or zig or go?""" start="00:04:08.300" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""CLI alternative tool, I would prefer to""" start="00:04:10.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download a single binary.""" start="00:04:11.840" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: There's something that Jonas was playing""" start="00:04:17.420" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""around with using Geeks to install Hyper""" start="00:04:20.459" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Gateway. So the way that HyperDrive.el,""" start="00:04:22.860" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the Emacs package, works right now is similar""" start="00:04:26.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to the way that the transmission Emacs client""" start="00:04:30.300" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for BitTorrent works, where you have a client""" start="00:04:34.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in Emacs that connects to a daemon that is a""" start="00:04:37.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""separate process that's running on your""" start="00:04:39.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine, the transmission daemon.""" start="00:04:41.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But in this case, we have HyperGateway,""" start="00:04:43.500" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is running as a daemon on your machine.""" start="00:04:46.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then hyperdrive.el""" start="00:04:48.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""connects to that daemon and sends requests,""" start="00:04:51.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and all of the hyperdrive stuff under the""" start="00:04:53.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hood happens with her gateway.""" start="00:04:55.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But so that package can,""" start="00:04:57.940" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or hypergateway, the program can be""" start="00:05:00.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""installed, The easiest way is to just""" start="00:05:02.900" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""download it from the GitHub releases.""" start="00:05:04.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You could also use NPM to install it.""" start="00:05:07.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then the third option that we've been""" start="00:05:09.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playing around with is Jonas was writing a""" start="00:05:12.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""little script to install it using Geeks,""" start="00:05:14.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""since Geeks now comes with Node 18.""" start="00:05:18.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so you should be able to install it using""" start="00:05:20.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Geeks.""" start="00:05:20.940" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right, thank you. We have 2 people here""" start="00:05:25.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""joined with microphone.""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Do we have now any question to Joseph or just""" start="00:05:30.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here for chilling out.""" start="00:05:32.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess it's a no. Plasma,""" start="00:05:41.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah.""" start="00:05:42.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: What about using, having some of the""" start="00:05:46.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""information being private in the hyperdrives.""" start="00:05:47.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: That's not what we have been focusing on at""" start="00:05:54.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this point. At this point,""" start="00:05:55.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what we've been working on is mainly using""" start="00:05:57.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperdrives for a public forum type tool.""" start="00:06:02.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But you could encrypt those files if you""" start="00:06:06.420" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wanted to. You can also just,""" start="00:06:09.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a poor man's security would just be to share""" start="00:06:13.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your HyperDrive link only with those people""" start="00:06:16.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you want to have access to your drive.""" start="00:06:19.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the way that it works right now is anyone""" start="00:06:21.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""who has the link to a hyperdrive can access""" start="00:06:23.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""its content. So long as there are peers""" start="00:06:26.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""available on the network who can serve it to""" start="00:06:28.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you.""" start="00:06:28.900" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Any follow up question from your side,""" start="00:06:37.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Plasma?""" start="00:06:37.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I had 1, I'll just have to re-remember it.""" start="00:06:46.720" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: If you remember it, just feel free to""" start="00:06:55.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interrupt me.""" start="00:06:56.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: What about working? I've looked at this""" start="00:06:58.980" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""before. What about, if I remember correctly,""" start="00:07:03.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it doesn't do as well with large files,""" start="00:07:04.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so if you're going to store 200 gigs of video""" start="00:07:09.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""files, stuff like IPFS works a lot better,""" start="00:07:12.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or BitTorrent. This is,""" start="00:07:15.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are you, were you using the,""" start="00:07:17.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""any way of using multiple protocols for stuff""" start="00:07:21.980" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like that? 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Or""" start="00:07:28.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I would love to see an IPFS client in Emacs""" start="00:07:34.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as well that could interface with Kubo or""" start="00:07:37.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""some other IPFS daemon and I think that those""" start="00:07:40.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could work really well together.""" start="00:07:41.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We mostly have been playing around with""" start="00:07:45.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""sharing relatively small files,""" start="00:07:47.240" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""up to hundreds of megabytes or maybe a""" start="00:07:52.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gigabyte. 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Whereas in HyperDrive,""" start="00:08:16.620" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you upload the same file with the same""" start="00:08:20.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""contents twice, now you have double the""" start="00:08:23.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""content being stored in your HyperDrive.""" start="00:08:25.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not deduplicated.""" start="00:08:26.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can always clear out part of the history""" start="00:08:30.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of your hyperdrive But IPFS has really good""" start="00:08:36.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""built-in deduplication whereas hyperdrive""" start="00:08:39.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""does not""" start="00:08:39.860" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 4]: I have a question.""" start="00:08:44.159" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: What about like commenting on other like if""" start="00:08:47.440" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have a couple of different Hypercore""" start="00:08:50.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blogs, what about like commenting between""" start="00:08:53.900" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""them? 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I have heard of it,""" start="00:23:01.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but I haven't really researched it.""" start="00:23:03.620" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you edit a file on the hyperdrive,""" start="00:23:09.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then edit the same file on the local mirror,""" start="00:23:12.400" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how is the conflict handled when you sync the""" start="00:23:15.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""mirror again? 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Adam, Alpha Papa,""" start="00:25:08.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Adam and I have been doing a lot of pair""" start="00:25:11.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""programming sessions where we work together""" start="00:25:12.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I get to learn from him.""" start="00:25:15.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we've had meetings with Jonas and Prat""" start="00:25:19.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and meetings with Mauve where it's a""" start="00:25:23.560" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""fantastic learning experience for me to""" start="00:25:25.520" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discover how to build software in an""" start="00:25:30.660" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""efficient and intelligent way.""" start="00:25:32.820" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's a huge pleasure. If there are no more""" start="00:25:40.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, I just wanted to encourage""" start="00:25:43.320" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone to try it out and to let us know""" start="00:25:48.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what you think. 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Wonderful.""" start="00:26:16.420" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Who's that? Oh, hey. Well,""" start="00:26:19.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to say goodbye.""" start="00:26:34.060" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank you. And thank you for your questions,""" start="00:26:37.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I know that""" start="00:26:39.680" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: PlasmaStrike. I've met you before.""" start="00:26:40.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Appreciate your questions,""" start="00:26:42.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your thoughts.""" start="00:26:42.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Oh, by the way, Joseph,""" start="00:26:50.380" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have our, our first,""" start="00:26:53.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if our first new user,""" start="00:26:55.120" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but we have the first link being shared,""" start="00:26:57.280" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to hyperdrive file in the chat and I loaded""" start="00:27:01.160" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it and it works. And it's funny too.""" start="00:27:03.080" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's worth looking at.""" start="00:27:03.880" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So. Oh, I think it's frozen.""" start="00:27:09.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I don't know if anybody can hear me.""" start="00:27:11.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: I can.""" start="00:27:12.720" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: Okay, cool. The browser is frozen.""" start="00:27:15.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's it's not, okay. Just unfroze.""" start="00:27:19.020" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Anyway. All right. Well,""" start="00:27:21.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""By the way, I enjoyed your talks about""" start="00:27:24.000" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""hyperbole. I'm going to rewatch those later""" start="00:27:26.260" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when I get a chance. It was nice to meet you,""" start="00:27:28.040" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""too. Bob is a really great guy to work with.""" start="00:27:31.100" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Definitely a lot of interesting people.""" start="00:27:38.800" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: I owe him 1. Yes, sir.""" start="00:27:40.200" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, you have a good day,""" start="00:27:41.580" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 3]: Will do, I like the insistence on local""" start="00:27:45.140" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""first. Feels like it's a good dovetail with""" start="00:27:48.740" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the hyper core""" start="00:27:49.540" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: enjoy the conference. Yeah,""" start="00:27:51.180" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I think there's a lot of a lot of""" start="00:27:54.960" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""interesting possibilities to build on this we""" start="00:27:57.980" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have some plans that we Will get to you later""" start="00:28:01.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this well in the coming year And we'll see""" start="00:28:05.600" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where the hyperdrive people,""" start="00:28:07.480" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, upstream how they develop it as""" start="00:28:09.920" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well and yeah, so exciting times.""" start="00:28:14.340" video="qanda-hyperdrive" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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