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diff --git a/2023/info/emms-after.md b/2023/info/emms-after.md index 337d89a4..a9b97368 100644 --- a/2023/info/emms-after.md +++ b/2023/info/emms-after.md @@ -752,6 +752,619 @@ Captioner: yoni +<a name="emms-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And I think we are live.""" start="00:00:06.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Hi, Yanny, how are you doing?""" start="00:00:07.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Excellent, excellent. Doing very well,""" start="00:00:10.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thank you.""" start="00:00:10.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: So that was a wonderful presentation.""" start="00:00:13.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I first want to commend you on your ability""" start="00:00:17.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to both do the how the user encounters the""" start="00:00:22.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""MMS, how the developer might be interested""" start="00:00:24.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""about how it works, and I feel like you've""" start="00:00:28.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""done a wonderful job of talking to absolutely""" start="00:00:30.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone in our audience,""" start="00:00:31.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever their skill level.""" start="00:00:32.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you so much for this.""" start="00:00:34.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that of course runs the risk of being,""" start="00:00:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, good for some,""" start="00:00:41.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but excellent for none.""" start="00:00:42.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But hopefully the result is that people can""" start="00:00:46.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get something out of it.""" start="00:00:48.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think it's very important to make sure that""" start="00:00:51.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everyone feels that they have access to""" start="00:00:55.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs, they have access to EMMS,""" start="00:00:57.239" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that they can do this in whatever capacity""" start="00:01:00.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they want. It's for everyone.""" start="00:01:02.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I really believe that.""" start="00:01:05.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Yeah, and I understand this risk about having""" start="00:01:09.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a talk that is kind of a jack-of-all-trades,""" start="00:01:10.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but frankly you've done a wonderful job of""" start="00:01:14.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making it interesting for everyone,""" start="00:01:16.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because also I think the parts worked really""" start="00:01:19.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well, and people always had something to look""" start="00:01:21.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""forward in terms of their expertise of what""" start="00:01:24.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particularly spoke to them.""" start="00:01:25.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So thank you again. What I'm going to do,""" start="00:01:27.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we have about 14 minutes of Q&A,""" start="00:01:29.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I'll invite people,""" start="00:01:30.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as I usually do, to add their questions in""" start="00:01:33.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the other pad that you can find on the talks""" start="00:01:35.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or on IRC. You can also join us in the""" start="00:01:38.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion. I will make sure this time to""" start="00:01:40.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ping Sasha to open the Q&A.""" start="00:01:42.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Can you open, I-V-E-M-M-S.""" start="00:01:44.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""All right, and in the meantime,""" start="00:01:48.700" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whilst we wait for people to join us in the""" start="00:01:50.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""room, I will start reading some of the""" start="00:01:52.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions off the pad.""" start="00:01:53.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So we had the first question about the music""" start="00:01:57.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that we played during the launch break,""" start="00:01:58.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and It's 1 of our dear friends,""" start="00:02:01.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Shoshin Ganshangroh, a free album,""" start="00:02:05.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Basement Dazed. I've put the link in the pad""" start="00:02:09.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and we've been using Shoshin's music for the""" start="00:02:12.520" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""last 3 years, I think,""" start="00:02:13.420" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and everyone, people are so excited.""" start="00:02:15.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Some people say, why is it so noisy in the""" start="00:02:17.220" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""background? But it's just because there's 1""" start="00:02:18.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part of the different tracks that sounds like""" start="00:02:20.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""static and it always gets people.""" start="00:02:24.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We should probably do something about this,""" start="00:02:25.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but frankly it makes me laugh every time.""" start="00:02:27.520" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Starting with the first actual question,""" start="00:02:30.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well actually it's a bit of a meme question,""" start="00:02:32.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for the next Emacs Con,""" start="00:02:34.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could we have an eMMS playlist to follow the""" start="00:02:37.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""talks along?""" start="00:02:37.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Oh that sounds like an excellent idea but I""" start="00:02:43.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""guess I'm wondering what they mean exactly by""" start="00:02:46.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that. Is that a shareable playlist that we""" start="00:02:48.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can pass along and just have people go to a""" start="00:02:54.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""URL and just be able to play that?""" start="00:02:56.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think that's an excellent idea.""" start="00:02:58.620" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It should be a relatively low bandwidth""" start="00:03:00.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""process.""" start="00:03:01.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: And it's typically the type of stuff that is""" start="00:03:06.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right of our alley. I'm thinking about the""" start="00:03:10.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ICS file that we produce for all the events""" start="00:03:15.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that are related to Emacs.""" start="00:03:17.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You know the workshop that happened in Paris""" start="00:03:18.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in New York, LA? Sasha compiles a list of""" start="00:03:22.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the events and when they happen,""" start="00:03:23.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then we provide this to everyone.""" start="00:03:25.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And we can do very much the same with""" start="00:03:27.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf. You could have a playlist for""" start="00:03:29.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EmacsConf 2023, where you get all the talks""" start="00:03:31.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and perhaps also the Q&A sessions so that you""" start="00:03:34.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""can relieve the 16 hours of content that""" start="00:03:36.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""we're producing. That'd be great,""" start="00:03:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that's a great idea I think.""" start="00:03:39.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Absolutely, and if there are any limitations""" start="00:03:43.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in the Emacs playlist structure that things""" start="00:03:48.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""are missing in the playlist structure,""" start="00:03:49.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then it would be a great impetus to implement""" start="00:03:53.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""those and extend the playlist structure.""" start="00:03:55.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because after all, it's Lisp,""" start="00:03:57.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it really is data and functions all mixed""" start="00:04:01.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""together, so we can do that.""" start="00:04:03.160" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It would be very interesting to dive into it""" start="00:04:06.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and see what's missing.""" start="00:04:07.000" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That would be even more informative than what""" start="00:04:10.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it can do.""" start="00:04:10.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Great. All right, moving on to the next""" start="00:04:14.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question. I like to use music and audiobooks""" start="00:04:17.000" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in very different ways.""" start="00:04:18.279" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""With music, I like shuffling by artists and""" start="00:04:21.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with audiobooks, I want to read sequentially""" start="00:04:23.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and pick the same playlist over a couple of""" start="00:04:27.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""days or weeks. Do you have any tips for using""" start="00:04:29.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""these 2 opposing media's workflow?""" start="00:04:30.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yes, so I have similar situations where I""" start="00:04:38.520" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have very long endurance races that I watch,""" start="00:04:43.920" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which I do all my media consumption is done""" start="00:04:47.160" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via EMMS. I also listened to music.""" start="00:04:50.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And so there's also a middle in between.""" start="00:04:54.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's 1 end in which you have popular""" start="00:04:57.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""music. These are standalone songs that are""" start="00:05:01.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typically 3 to 4 minute long and they are""" start="00:05:04.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""best consumed in a random you know order""" start="00:05:07.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""because they are designed around,""" start="00:05:09.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, a commercial radio distribution.""" start="00:05:12.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I guess I'm dating myself by saying radio,""" start="00:05:15.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but you know all the that.""" start="00:05:17.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""In the middle there are longer works like""" start="00:05:20.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""musicals and classical where these are units""" start="00:05:26.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where they might be very long but you would""" start="00:05:30.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have several tracks that you do want to have""" start="00:05:33.160" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 after the other, and you want to be able to""" start="00:05:35.600" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stop and go to the next track.""" start="00:05:38.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And then at the very, very other end,""" start="00:05:40.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you have extremely long format,""" start="00:05:44.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is included in a single file,""" start="00:05:46.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as an audio book,""" start="00:05:47.920" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a movie, a tutorial that you're watching,""" start="00:05:51.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or in my case, you know,""" start="00:05:54.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a 24 hour, the 24 hours of Le Mans,""" start="00:05:56.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""just the 24 hour race,""" start="00:05:58.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which, you know, that's 1 heck of a file.""" start="00:06:01.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So that is 1 of the reasons eMMS has a number""" start="00:06:07.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of elements such as the meta playlist mode""" start="00:06:10.160" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and multiple playlists.""" start="00:06:11.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I would say that they would open a number""" start="00:06:16.160" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""of playlists in eMMS, generate a number of""" start="00:06:19.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playlists that have each class of media.""" start="00:06:26.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the shorter form songs,""" start="00:06:28.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the more pop songs you have in 1 playlist""" start="00:06:33.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""where you can sort, shuffle it,""" start="00:06:35.920" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, save it, do whatever you want.""" start="00:06:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Then a separate playlist for the long form""" start="00:06:41.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stuff. Sometimes that playlist will have even""" start="00:06:44.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""only 1 file in it if it's long enough,""" start="00:06:48.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then have a key combination which takes you""" start="00:06:52.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""directly to 1 playlist or the other,""" start="00:06:55.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and within the long-form playlist,""" start="00:06:57.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at the bookmarking function of EMMS,""" start="00:07:01.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is designed around being able to save a""" start="00:07:06.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""particular stopping point or multiple""" start="00:07:10.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stopping points, bookmarks in the audio,""" start="00:07:12.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and being able to jump back into that audio.""" start="00:07:15.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""The point to remember about the bookmarking""" start="00:07:18.600" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feature is that sometimes it really depends""" start="00:07:23.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on you have to have the right back end.""" start="00:07:25.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not all back ends with replaying,""" start="00:07:28.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not all types of media work well with a""" start="00:07:33.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bookmarking function, and bug reports""" start="00:07:36.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""welcome. But also there are other backends""" start="00:07:38.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""such as MPV where you can configure it that""" start="00:07:44.820" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you quit playing the song or the media""" start="00:07:49.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""with, you know, cue internally.""" start="00:07:55.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So sometimes the back end has to continue""" start="00:07:58.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""playing that song. That's what I do in order""" start="00:08:04.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to, on 1 hand, switch over to a...""" start="00:08:07.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to hear... I'm coding,""" start="00:08:09.620" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I want to hear some music,""" start="00:08:10.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I go to my playlist of short songs,""" start="00:08:12.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then I'm sitting back and I want to watch a""" start="00:08:16.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""long form something from where I left off and""" start="00:08:20.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there I go to the other playlist and use""" start="00:08:22.420" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""bookmarks or the features of the back end""" start="00:08:26.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that I'm using.""" start="00:08:26.780" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Okay, thank you for the answer.""" start="00:08:31.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""We have about 7 minutes and we have more""" start="00:08:34.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""questions, so that's great.""" start="00:08:35.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Moving on to the next 1.""" start="00:08:37.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Is there a way to search a music selection by""" start="00:08:40.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lyrics? 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There's a question here.""" start="00:26:32.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I like what you said about balancing the""" start="00:26:34.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""concern for software freedom with the worry""" start="00:26:36.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that this might alienate the package user.""" start="00:26:38.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I wonder if you have advice for other""" start="00:26:39.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""maintainers how to communicate this sort of""" start="00:26:41.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""thing diplomatically? Yes,""" start="00:26:43.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""when you have to deny implementing a feature""" start="00:26:45.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for a freedom reason. This in fact happens""" start="00:26:48.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""all the time. A recent example of this was a""" start="00:26:56.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTube download, right,""" start="00:26:58.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the YouTube download feature.""" start="00:26:59.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""At the time, okay, so stepping back,""" start="00:27:04.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the request was to have a YouTube download""" start="00:27:07.440" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""feature integrated strongly into eMMS so that""" start="00:27:11.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you put in a YouTube URL and you can download""" start="00:27:16.260" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the video and play it.""" start="00:27:17.640" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And the question isn't really whether you can""" start="00:27:22.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""chain YouTube Downloader or 1 of those things""" start="00:27:24.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into your EMMS configuration.""" start="00:27:26.600" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""You can do whatever you want.""" start="00:27:28.140" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But the question is, does EMMS actually""" start="00:27:30.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""integrate with it really,""" start="00:27:33.340" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""really strongly to the extent where it tells""" start="00:27:35.740" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you oh you don't need to download install""" start="00:27:37.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""please go ahead and install that or whatever""" start="00:27:40.320" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and at the time we checked it we found out""" start="00:27:43.740" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that you know the version that we were""" start="00:27:45.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""looking at of the YouTube download or YTDLP""" start="00:27:49.280" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""or whatever it was called,""" start="00:27:51.720" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually downloaded a good amount of""" start="00:27:56.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""proprietary JavaScript onto your machine and""" start="00:27:59.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ran it, just as if you were going on to the""" start="00:28:02.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""YouTube page, which is not for me to tell""" start="00:28:06.560" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people not to do if they want to do that,""" start="00:28:09.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but it's absolutely for me not to cause to""" start="00:28:16.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""happen on the user's machine without them.""" start="00:28:18.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""1 of the last thing that I want to do in the""" start="00:28:21.480" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""world is have a user inside Emacs press a""" start="00:28:25.980" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""button and have proprietary software get""" start="00:28:29.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""downloaded behind their back and run on their""" start="00:28:32.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine that would be disastrous so we had to""" start="00:28:38.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""say no we had to say that's I'm sorry that's""" start="00:28:41.380" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""beyond the pale and in fact in doing so some""" start="00:28:47.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people who were using this system said,""" start="00:28:51.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""actually I had no idea it was doing this""" start="00:28:53.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind my back. I thought it was just magic.""" start="00:28:56.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I thought it was a YouTube video without any""" start="00:28:58.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""freedom issues. I'm going to look into it or""" start="00:29:01.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I'm going to stop using it.""" start="00:29:03.120" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So my advice would be Stand firm and just be""" start="00:29:11.180" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Not not preachy. Don't tell people what they""" start="00:29:15.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""need to do be very clear about what you stand""" start="00:29:19.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for and what the project stands for,""" start="00:29:21.900" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and so they very clearly know where you""" start="00:29:28.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stand. And I think that people actually""" start="00:29:30.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""appreciate that more than a political answer,""" start="00:29:36.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""right? That has been my experience.""" start="00:29:43.540" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Now, excuse me, taking into account that 1 or""" start="00:29:49.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""2 people will tell you,""" start="00:29:52.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""this is terrible. I'm leaving.""" start="00:29:54.960" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: If you do this,""" start="00:30:00.550" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: This is useless. you're free software or""" start="00:30:01.460" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whatever, and just leave.""" start="00:30:03.400" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But some people are ornery.""" start="00:30:05.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""That's not necessarily something bad that you""" start="00:30:09.360" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""did. But that has happened.""" start="00:30:11.680" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There are multiple stories.""" start="00:30:14.200" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Because the MMS is so old,""" start="00:30:16.840" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""there are multiple points in which non-free""" start="00:30:20.080" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""software intersected with the EMS because of""" start="00:30:23.940" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""multimedia and we had to go the other""" start="00:30:28.580" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""direction and so far it has served EMS well""" start="00:30:33.300" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""like the project has died as a result.""" start="00:30:38.240" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Of course, can't prove a negative,""" start="00:30:39.800" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""don't know where we would be if we had taken,""" start="00:30:42.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""gone down that route. I'm pretty sure we""" start="00:30:44.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""would need a new ELPA,""" start="00:30:46.100" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think being so clearly integrated with""" start="00:30:50.860" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""emacs is a huge benefit to eMMS because it's""" start="00:30:55.040" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it allows people to install it very easily.""" start="00:30:57.660" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And those are all the questions that I can""" start="00:31:08.760" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""see.""" start="00:31:09.020" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 2]: You""" start="00:31:15.060" video="qanda-emms" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? 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