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diff --git a/2023/info/doc-after.md b/2023/info/doc-after.md index dd89353b..7df3351e 100644 --- a/2023/info/doc-after.md +++ b/2023/info/doc-after.md @@ -982,6 +982,207 @@ Captioner: jc +<a name="doc-qanda-transcript"></a> +# Q&A transcript (unedited) + +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Well, we have about, I think,""" start="00:00:03.639" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""10 or 15 minutes of on-stream Q&A time.""" start="00:00:06.339" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But if there's more questions than that,""" start="00:00:10.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people are welcome to stay.""" start="00:00:11.420" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If Mike has the time to answer some more,""" start="00:00:14.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""then Awesome.""" start="00:00:15.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I will be around for the rest of the""" start="00:00:20.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""conference. So I am spudpnds,""" start="00:00:22.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""which is spud upside down on IRC,""" start="00:00:26.580" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""if you want to hit me up on IRC.""" start="00:00:29.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Nice.""" start="00:00:30.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I see we already have a question on the pad,""" start="00:00:42.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and it is, did you develop a variant of your""" start="00:00:45.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""document for CentOS?""" start="00:00:46.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I did not. I have not messed with any other""" start="00:00:52.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Red Hat distributions other than Fedora.""" start="00:00:56.120" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I would like to expand the document out to""" start="00:00:59.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Windows and to Mac OS as I think a lot of""" start="00:01:05.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""people really want to build Emacs on those""" start="00:01:07.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""platforms because it's much harder to get""" start="00:01:09.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Emacs binaries running on those platforms.""" start="00:01:13.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Although they're around on the internet it's""" start="00:01:15.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""not as bad as it used to be,""" start="00:01:17.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but building Emacs is very,""" start="00:01:19.280" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a very fun thing to do.""" start="00:01:21.000" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I encourage everybody to do that.""" start="00:01:22.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Right. We're also getting comments from folks""" start="00:01:46.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""here on BigBlueButton.""" start="00:01:46.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""EXC or Matt saying, great talk,""" start="00:01:49.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""good demonstration of what's possible.""" start="00:01:51.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And Aaron thanking Mike,""" start="00:01:53.940" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""saying awesome presentation.""" start="00:01:54.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And they missed the first few minutes and""" start="00:01:56.880" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""have to rewatch to get the portion that they""" start="00:01:59.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""missed.""" start="00:01:59.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I had a hard time cramming the entire talk""" start="00:02:03.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""into 40 minutes. So I spoke quickly.""" start="00:02:08.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I have a feeling I may have left some folks""" start="00:02:10.639" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""behind who weren't paying close attention.""" start="00:02:12.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So rewatching might help.""" start="00:02:16.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Oh, nice.""" start="00:02:18.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: I noticed Matt said that he helps maintain""" start="00:02:24.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the shell functionality or Babel and last""" start="00:02:27.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""March they added async evaluation into""" start="00:02:30.240" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""session code blocks. Very cool,""" start="00:02:32.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""especially when you're doing something that""" start="00:02:34.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""takes a long time. It would be nice if Emacs""" start="00:02:36.420" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""wasn't locked up. I will definitely have to""" start="00:02:38.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""check that out. I use this technique at work""" start="00:02:50.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""a lot, like when I write documents to how to""" start="00:02:53.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""explain things to coworkers and such.""" start="00:02:55.900" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And 1 of the things I had to explain was how""" start="00:03:00.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to build AWS MySQL databases and replicas,""" start="00:03:05.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and how to build them with very specific""" start="00:03:07.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""parameters to work with the system called""" start="00:03:09.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Vitesse. And when I was running that""" start="00:03:13.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""document, building these kinds of MySQL""" start="00:03:15.660" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""databases in AWS with lockup Emacs for 20,""" start="00:03:20.280" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""25 minutes at a time. So,""" start="00:03:22.300" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""yeah, I'm really excited about async""" start="00:03:26.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""evaluation.""" start="00:03:26.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Totally. Oh yeah, Python mode I think has had""" start="00:04:03.780" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""async for shell blocks for a while.""" start="00:04:05.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think there's a third-party package at Elba""" start="00:04:09.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that adds async support for that.""" start="00:04:11.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But yeah, I explicitly wanted to make sure""" start="00:04:16.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that it would work with super vanilla stuff.""" start="00:04:18.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh, it's built in. I see.""" start="00:04:20.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Yeah, I didn't realize it was built in for""" start="00:04:24.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Python blocks. I'll have to check that out.""" start="00:04:25.920" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""There's so much Emacs.""" start="00:04:27.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's hard to wrap your head even around a""" start="00:04:32.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tiny portion of it. It's such a deep topic.""" start="00:04:34.900" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Looks like somebody in IRC said,""" start="00:04:47.660" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I can't wait to add some of this stuff to my""" start="00:04:50.220" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""documents. And that really makes me happy.""" start="00:04:52.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I hope people go out and write literate Org""" start="00:04:55.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mode documents that do amazing things.""" start="00:04:57.180" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""When's the next talk? We have like,""" start="00:05:25.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: let's see. I think we have about 4 or 5""" start="00:05:30.900" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""minutes live on stream for Q&A.""" start="00:05:32.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, okay. Oh, here's the question.""" start="00:05:35.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Blaine asks, are you running Emacs from the""" start="00:05:39.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""host machine? And yeah,""" start="00:05:41.420" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""so I'm running Emacs on the exact same""" start="00:05:43.940" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""machine that I'm building Emacs on.""" start="00:05:46.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I had first thought about doing that over""" start="00:05:50.580" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Tramp. And I thought that would be a very""" start="00:05:53.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""cool demo to show how you could do that""" start="00:05:55.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""remotely on Tramp so you didn't need Emacs on""" start="00:05:57.980" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the host machine. But I decided it would be a""" start="00:06:03.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""lot easier, and as I ran into a deadline to""" start="00:06:05.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""get the talk completed,""" start="00:06:06.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I abandoned that notion for the""" start="00:06:08.900" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""straightforward approach.""" start="00:06:09.880" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But ideally, I would spin up virtual machines""" start="00:06:13.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and then using the Org Mode document and""" start="00:06:16.980" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""having Org Mode reach out to those machines""" start="00:06:18.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""via SSH and Tramp.""" start="00:06:20.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Oh yeah, there's also a little bit of""" start="00:06:33.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""discussion on IRC about org macros and how""" start="00:06:38.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""they made their way into the document.""" start="00:06:39.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I remember when I first discovered org""" start="00:06:42.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""macros by reading the org mode documentation,""" start="00:06:44.480" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I was really excited because I thought I""" start="00:06:47.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""could limit a lot of the boilerplate I end up""" start="00:06:49.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""typing. But as we discussed,""" start="00:06:51.900" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""ORD macros, I think, only work in 1 context""" start="00:06:54.760" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""in your ORD mode document,""" start="00:06:56.380" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I think that's in the pros section.""" start="00:06:58.280" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So You can't resolve a macro inside a header""" start="00:07:03.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""arg, for example, or inside an options block.""" start="00:07:06.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It would be awesome if macros worked""" start="00:07:09.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""everywhere, but I'm happy to have them just""" start="00:07:12.280" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as they are now.""" start="00:07:13.500" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Indeed, they're very convenient.""" start="00:07:22.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: And Blaine also says, thank you for showing""" start="00:07:32.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's possible with literate documentation.""" start="00:07:33.420" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""This is mind-blowing. Yeah,""" start="00:07:35.380" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""I think so too. I first saw this technique in""" start="00:07:39.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Howard's video, Literate DevOps,""" start="00:07:41.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and I remember I was just picking up parts of""" start="00:07:44.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my mind after it exploded after having""" start="00:07:46.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watched that video. So I wanted to do some of""" start="00:07:49.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it myself, and that's where I came up with a""" start="00:07:51.820" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""couple different approaches to that.""" start="00:07:54.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""It's not just for, you know,""" start="00:07:57.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""making literate Emacs configurations.""" start="00:07:59.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: For Sure. We have another remark slash""" start="00:08:04.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""question on the pad. Someone saying great""" start="00:08:07.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""presentation. The preparation is outstanding.""" start="00:08:09.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And for someone like me that never touched""" start="00:08:12.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the org-mux side of Emacs,""" start="00:08:14.040" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""What do you feel is the more complex part to""" start="00:08:17.040" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""tackle? You made it seem simple,""" start="00:08:19.120" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""but the complexity there.""" start="00:08:20.500" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah. Just getting all of the configuration""" start="00:08:25.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""set up the way you want it is the hardest""" start="00:08:30.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""part. So some of the defaults are,""" start="00:08:34.780" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you know, they don't look good when you""" start="00:08:37.120" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""render them out in LaTeX and finally PDF.""" start="00:08:39.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And there's a lot of work to be done to tweak""" start="00:08:42.039" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the LaTeX environment so it looks as pretty""" start="00:08:45.380" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""as you might want it. And then just Org Mode""" start="00:08:48.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""has a lot of knobs that you can tune,""" start="00:08:50.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and they have a pretty large impact on how""" start="00:08:53.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your document is exported.""" start="00:08:55.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I think the hardest part is just knowing""" start="00:09:00.360" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""what's possible and knowing where all the""" start="00:09:03.820" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""knobs are to tune and twist.""" start="00:09:05.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: Got another question on the pad.""" start="00:09:10.240" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And I think we have about a minute or so on""" start="00:09:12.040" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the stream. So I'll read this question as""" start="00:09:13.740" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""well. But folks, you're welcome to continue""" start="00:09:15.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""on the pad or just come join here on BBB""" start="00:09:17.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""after myself and the stream move on to the""" start="00:09:20.200" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""next talk. Yeah, and the next question is,""" start="00:09:23.100" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""how do you normally debug,""" start="00:09:24.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""for example, view the logs or see failed""" start="00:09:26.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""statuses when the commands in the source""" start="00:09:29.440" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""blocks fail, especially if they output lots""" start="00:09:32.020" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""and lots of logs, and you need to see the""" start="00:09:34.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""full history of the build.""" start="00:09:35.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so I see it in the messages buffer""" start="00:09:39.520" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""whenever I export a document.""" start="00:09:42.080" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If there's a failure, that's typically where""" start="00:09:44.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it's written to. And I will actually kill the""" start="00:09:47.460" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""messages buffer before I export so I know""" start="00:09:49.960" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""that only the messages in the buffer are for""" start="00:09:52.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""my given export and I mentioned that""" start="00:09:55.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""debugging trick where you name all of your""" start="00:09:58.580" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""org-mode source blocks So if there is a""" start="00:10:00.720" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""problem in 1 of the blocks,""" start="00:10:02.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""it'll actually tell you what the block,""" start="00:10:06.560" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""the name of the block the error occurred in.""" start="00:10:09.140" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""If you don't do that, it just gives you a""" start="00:10:13.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position number in the buffer.""" start="00:10:14.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""And whenever I tried to convert those""" start="00:10:18.620" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""position numbers to actual places where the""" start="00:10:21.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""error occurred, it was never exactly where I""" start="00:10:23.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""suspected it would be.""" start="00:10:24.640" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So I found that very difficult in debugging.""" start="00:10:26.680" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""So the only real debugging tip I have is name""" start="00:10:29.800" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""your source blocks, even if you don't refer""" start="00:10:32.840" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""to them later.""" start="00:10:33.480" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: I think that's all the time we have on""" start="00:10:39.860" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""stream. And I also have to drop as well.""" start="00:10:41.320" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""But thanks again so much,""" start="00:10:42.540" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Mike. And folks are welcome to come here and""" start="00:10:46.160" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""continue discussion here.""" start="00:10:47.980" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thanks again.""" start="00:10:52.600" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: You""" start="00:21:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""Thank""" start="00:22:00.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 0]: you""" start="00:22:15.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""[Speaker 1]: for""" start="00:22:28.400" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""watching. You""" start="00:22:45.060" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] +[[!template text="""you""" start="00:23:00.260" video="qanda-doc" id="subtitle"]] + Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20doc%3A%20Literate%20Documentation%20with%20Emacs%20and%20Org%20Mode) |